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Where is that singer coming from?

19 Dec 05 - 03:33 PM (#1630695)
Subject: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

All artists - in some way or the other - are products of artists who come before them. In some cases, the precendents are pretty clear; for example, Roy Orbison is, surely, "The Platters meet Don Gibson". Any more suggestions?


19 Dec 05 - 04:07 PM (#1630725)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall

There is a lot of Gordon Lightfoot in Dave Mallett.


19 Dec 05 - 04:22 PM (#1630738)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Cluin

And a lot of nicotine in Leonard Cohen.


19 Dec 05 - 06:12 PM (#1630819)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle

theres an awful lot of coffee in Brazil

I always thought there was a lot of Paul Robeson in Snooks Eaglin and Howlin Wolf


19 Dec 05 - 07:50 PM (#1630854)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST

Sorry kendall, mallett is a much more succinct and craftsmanlike lyricist than Lightfoot. Musically, they have an affinity.


19 Dec 05 - 07:54 PM (#1630856)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall

That was tongue in cheek, and I screwed it up, I meant it the other way around. By the way, Dave Mallett is a very good friend of mine.


19 Dec 05 - 09:44 PM (#1630927)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Once Famous

It all boils down to Hank Williams. And if you don't like Hank Williams, you can just kiss my ass.


19 Dec 05 - 09:57 PM (#1630939)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: frogprince

Martin, you mean Hank Williams is to blame for Madonna and Marilyn Manson?


19 Dec 05 - 11:17 PM (#1630997)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST

Martin, I certainly hope you don't mean Hank Jr.?

Seamus


19 Dec 05 - 11:25 PM (#1631006)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Jerry Rasmussen

If you list all the singers that come from Frank Sinatra it would take six pages..

Jerry


19 Dec 05 - 11:27 PM (#1631008)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: bobad

Louis Armstrong and Captain Beefheart in Tom Waits.


20 Dec 05 - 01:35 AM (#1631051)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Dave Hanson

Yeah Jerry but Frank Sinatra did it Paul Anka's way.

eric


20 Dec 05 - 05:35 AM (#1631092)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

Another, related theme, that interests me is the use of exaggerated vocal mannerism. For example, Buddy Holly's " hiccups ". Now, Elvis did a bit of "hiccupping", and I believe that Buddy simply took it from Elvis and drove it in to the ground. Likewise, Shirley Bassey ( not one of my favourite singers)who has - what I would call - a, way over the top, dramatic delivery; think of her singing " I, I who have nothing". Again, I'm pretty sure she got that from the great Dinah Washington. Again, Dinah used that device a very subtle way, whereas Shirley lays it on with a trowel.


20 Dec 05 - 06:16 AM (#1631122)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: David C. Carter

Hank Williams singing"My Bucket's Got A Hole In It"I think,leads you straight into Early Presley.No need to explain further.Paul Anka got his way, from the French singer Claude Francoise,who got it from...... It's worse in French than Anka's version.I got a tape of early unreleased Tom Waits.Sounds just like Dylan,and a few other people along the way.


20 Dec 05 - 10:21 AM (#1631298)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: muppitz

James Keelahan just sounds like John Gorka.

Or John Gorka just sounds like James Keelahan.

Whichever way you choose to look at it.

muppitz x


20 Dec 05 - 10:25 AM (#1631305)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Judge Mental

Kendall,

I was first introduced to David Mallett around 30 years ago by Noel Stookey. After hearing him the first time, I mentioned to David that he reminded me of Gordon Lightfoot early in his career. David told me then that Lightfoot was probably his biggest musical influence.


20 Dec 05 - 01:13 PM (#1631505)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

Any suggestions on which David Mallett album I should buy? ( I don't know his music, at all)


20 Dec 05 - 01:30 PM (#1631520)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Cluin

With a very few exceptions, every male country singer today comes from Jimmie Rodgers, either through Hank Williams or Lefty Frizzell.

Willie's always ploughed his own field, but in the early days was influenced by his pal, Faron.

Dwight Yoakam comes from Buck Owens, plain & simple.

Lyle Lovett is a one-off.


20 Dec 05 - 01:32 PM (#1631521)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Cluin

Tommy Duncan leads to George Strait.


20 Dec 05 - 06:20 PM (#1631681)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: frogprince

Matt Watroba can tell you the name of the black singer from the '20s
from whom Hank Williams copied his performance of "Lovesick Blues"; when you hear the two back to back, that ain't no coincidence.


20 Dec 05 - 07:24 PM (#1631711)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall

Tunesmith, depends what you like. I favor his early works because they are more "folkie" than his later works. This man is an outstanding poet whose songs have been recorded by everyone from John Denver to Emmylou Harris, to Kermit the frog, Pete Seeger and even me.


20 Dec 05 - 08:21 PM (#1631740)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Judge Mental

Matt Watroba can tell you the name of the black singer from the '20s
from whom Hank Williams copied his performance of "Lovesick Blues"; when you hear the two back to back, that ain't no coincidence.


I'm not Matt Watroba, but I can tell you that his name was Emmett Miller and that he wasn't black. He was a white, minstrel show singer who performed in blackface.


20 Dec 05 - 09:32 PM (#1631810)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Once Famous

Seamus, Yes, even Hank, Jr. to some degree.

The whole rock and roll thing came from to a large degree (not entirely) from Hank. Argueably, his "Move it on Over" was the first white guy rock song, pre-dating bill Haley's Rock Around the Clock by about 4 years. Elvis was highly influenced by Hank, Sr.

Jimmie Rogers was the father of just about everything. Vernon Dalhart might have had the first big million selling hit with The Prisoner's Song which, along with Rogers, influenced, Tubb, Snow, Williams, and just about everyone else from that generation.


20 Dec 05 - 10:16 PM (#1631850)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Bert.

Yer right Martin. Rock Around the Clock was almost a direct rip off of Move it on Over. And it was a little over 4 years. I think Move it on over was written in 1947.


20 Dec 05 - 10:36 PM (#1631873)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Once Famous

It all boils down to Hank Williams.


21 Dec 05 - 01:57 AM (#1631940)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Seamus Kennedy

Martin, I agree wholeheartedly with Hank Sr., also Hank Locklin, and Hank Thompson.Anybody called Hank, but not Hank Jr.
I can't see any of the old man's ability in him at all.
Maybe I'm getting old, and can't see past the greats of the 40's 50's and 60's.

Seamus


21 Dec 05 - 03:46 AM (#1631965)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

I love Hank Williams BUT he was a great "borrower" of other peoples songs/ideas!


21 Dec 05 - 07:50 AM (#1632037)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall

Just like Dylan.


30 Dec 05 - 10:28 PM (#1637887)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: frogprince

Thanks for the correction, "Judge"; I had just heard the straight dope on that once some time ago; it was Emmett Miller I had in mind.
Just got back from traveling, so hadn't seen your post until now.


31 Dec 05 - 12:20 AM (#1637981)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Jim Krause

Alfred E. Newman came from Mort Drucker

Jim


31 Dec 05 - 12:44 AM (#1638007)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST

Martin Gibson came from Stella Harmony


31 Dec 05 - 12:53 AM (#1638012)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: number 6

Hank sr. and Jimmy Rogers I agree MG ... when it comes to Hank jr. I agree Seamus.

sIx


31 Dec 05 - 11:31 AM (#1638119)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Bob the Postman

Leonard Cohen on his first album reminds me very much of Yves Albert, who appears on Columbia's boxed LP set Canadian Folk Songs--arpeggio finger-picking patterns and dreamily sombre singing. Surely they must have known one another in Montreal circa 1960.


01 Jan 06 - 05:46 AM (#1638647)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle

When I first heard Dwight, I thought of Vernon Oxford.

What about the lady singers? Kitty Wells must have influenced a lot of them.


01 Jan 06 - 06:49 AM (#1638668)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: van lingle

On a recent American Masters on PBS someone said, maybe Ray Price, that Hank Sr. told him that he got his vocal style by meshing the styles of his two favorite singers, Tubb and Roy Acuff. Something to that effect.
I hear a bit of Billie Holiday in Sinatra's phrasing. Not in his long legato lines but in the way he sometimes clips the end of a phrase.


01 Jan 06 - 10:34 AM (#1638755)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Auggie

I always heard a lot of Paul McCartney and Harry Chapin in Billy Joel's earlier vocals.


02 Jan 06 - 10:13 AM (#1639580)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle

Strange so little mention of Elvis and Buddy Holly


02 Jan 06 - 03:59 PM (#1639847)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: fat B****rd

Elvis lifted some famous songs from Otis Blackwell's demos.


03 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM (#1640515)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST

Tori Amos is Kate Bush, Madonna has just become Donna Summer.


03 Jan 06 - 05:34 PM (#1640638)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: breezy

Theres Gavin Henson in Charlotte Lurch



sorry, very Welsh thing that


03 Jan 06 - 06:28 PM (#1640678)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Pelrad

I was listening to Towns Van Zandt last night and thinking that Woody Guthrie had to be a heavy influence there. Also, that Bill Staines had a heavy dose of Van Zandt at some point.


03 Jan 06 - 07:18 PM (#1640711)
Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle

In a way i agree with Martin - i didn't hear Hank until I was in my mid twenties and already doing country music gigs.

Dylan seemed to be totally outlandish, when I first heard him as a teenager - so different from everything else - when I heard Hank - I thought - so that's who Dylan copied originally.

Moe Bandy I always see as being like George Jones.