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Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)

30 Oct 03 - 12:18 PM (#1044646)
Subject: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: GUEST,MMario

Bring Us a Barrel

Any possibility of getting the tune posted?


30 Oct 03 - 12:25 PM (#1044651)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: Marje

I'll have a go!


30 Oct 03 - 01:54 PM (#1044713)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: Marje

It's done now and ready to go, but I am having a problem with my mail server and am currently holding the phone and listening to an inane jingle while I await help from Technical Support.

I'll send the tune off as soon as I can.


30 Oct 03 - 02:16 PM (#1044721)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: GUEST,MMario

no problem Marje!


31 Oct 03 - 09:40 AM (#1045250)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: GUEST,MMario

THANK YOU! recieved 2 copies!

(I guess it pays to beg occasionally! *grin*)

X:1
T:Bring Us a Barrel
C:Keith Marsden
N:transcribed by Hazel Bolton from the Keith Marsden songbook
I:abc2nwc
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:F
C2|F2A2c2|(c B) A2(A G)|F2G2A2|G4C2|
F2F2E2|D B3G2|E2F2G2|C6|A2A2c2|
(c B) A2(A G)|F2G2A2|G4C2|F3G A2|B4G F|
E2F2G2|F4C2|F2F2G2|A2A2G2|F3G A2|G6|
F2F2G2|A2A2G2|F2G2A2|G6|A2A2c2|
(c B) A2(A G)|F3G (A B)|G4C2|(F3G) (A B)|
c2c2(A c)|(B c/2 B A2)G2|F4


31 Oct 03 - 11:24 AM (#1045312)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: Dave Bryant

MMario - the opening lines as written by Keith go:
No man who's a drinker takes ale from a pin
For there is too little good stuff there within

rather than the entry in DT which is very weak in comparison.

I gather that it was about the first song that Keith wrote and that for many years he let people think that it was traditional. If you want to find more of his wonderful songs, try and get hold of his songbook "Picking Sooty Blackberries" - it was sadly published postumously, but has quite a lot of info on the background to each song.


31 Oct 03 - 02:14 PM (#1045422)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: gnomad

Picking Sooty Blackberries;

Pub 1992: Fellsongs Music Publishing, Workington, Cumbria, CA14 3EW, UK.

ISBN 1 871318 01 7

And worth every penny!


23 Apr 05 - 02:44 PM (#1468910)
Subject: Lyr Add: BRING US A BARREL (Keith Marsden)
From: Charley Noble

Having recently heard this song performed by Two Black Sheep and a Stallion, I'm happy to refresh this thread.

Here are Keith's lyrics, plus an extra verse by a friend, as printed in PICKING SOOTY BLACKBERRIES:

From the singing of the late Keith Marsden : Fellside Recordings 1992 See "Picking Sooty Blackberries" p. 22 - (pub. by Fellside Recordings - ISBN 1 871318 01 7.... ) *with an extra verse from the singing of that nice Mr Shuttleworth (who says he sang it in front of Keith and didn't get hit, so he concludes it was sort of approved).

BRING US A BARREL

No man that's a drinker takes ale from a pin
For there is too little good stuff there within
Four and a half is it's measure in full
Too small for a sup, not enough for a pull...

Then bring us a barrel and set it up right
Bring us a barrel, to last out the night
Bring us a barrel, no matter how high
We'll drink it up Lads, we'll drink it dry.

The poor little firkin's nine gallons in all
Though the beer it is good, the size is too small
For lads that are drinkers like you and like I
That firkin small barrel too quickly runs dry.

And when that I'm dying and on me death bed
By me bedside leave a fine full hogshead
That if down below I mun go when I die
Me and old Nick we will both drink it dry.

*The Kilderkin's Next and although rather small
At least it is better than nothing at all
Its eighteen full gallons will just about do
Provided, of course, there's another for you.

Then bring forth the Puncheon and roll out the butt
Them's the best measures before me to put
Our pots will go round and good ale it will flow
And we'll be contented for an hour or so.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


23 Apr 05 - 02:50 PM (#1468914)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: breezy

could that be the Kilderkin verse I heard from Geoff at Stortfolk?

He came in with it on one of my gigs.

Sugs, Dr Dr

All the best Dave Bryant, see u in St Albans one day?

Strollin Johnny tomorrow at the legion, there I go again, old habits die hard,sorry

and its non-smoking

www.folk4all.net


23 Apr 05 - 03:22 PM (#1468936)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: GUEST,padgett (at home)

Never heard the Kilderkin verse, but clearly in keeping!

Keep singing

Of course odd words are changed here and there but the spirit loves on!

Ray padgett


23 Apr 05 - 06:33 PM (#1469009)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: Les in Chorlton

New Heritage, Leeds 1971, how good could life be?


13 May 05 - 04:50 AM (#1483920)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel
From: BB

Dave, my understanding is that Keith's first song, which doesn't appear in 'Picking Sooty Blackberries', was 'The Bristol Mail'. I often wondered why he wrote it, as it's a bit of a way from Yorkshire! Wish I'd asked him when I had the chance...

Barbara


22 Aug 10 - 10:32 AM (#2970460)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Richard Bridge

Is that tune available in a more accessible notation than ABC?


22 Aug 10 - 10:36 AM (#2970462)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Richard Bridge

ah-hah


23 Oct 13 - 11:08 PM (#3569453)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mysha

Hi,

The value for the puncheon, as given with the Digital Tradition is not right for this song.

The relative sizes are:

1 Tun = 2 Butt = 3 Puncheon = 4 Oxhead = 6 Barrel
1 Barrel = 2 Kilderkin = 4 Fourthkin = 8 Pin

As can be seen from the lyrics, in this case the Fourthkin is equalled to 9 gallon, so the full unit, the barrel, would be 36. That makes the Tun 216 gallons, and a Puncheon being a third of that, it is 72 gallon.

Mind, these values I had understood to be beer measures, rather than ale measures, so it may well be that for ale a puncheon ought to be the value given in the DT, but for the song we have to stick with these values. I expect fitting ale measures in the metre of the song would prove quite a bit more difficult.

Bye
                                                               Mysha


23 Oct 13 - 11:17 PM (#3569456)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mysha

By the way, wasn't there a bit about there never being enough ale unless it were raining ale?

Bye
                                                                  Mysha


24 Oct 13 - 04:26 AM (#3569502)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: breezy

so Firkin = Fourthkin


and the Kilderkin comes after

so the Kild verse should be 3rd

Hogshead = Oxhead

Got it

thanks mysha


27 Oct 13 - 08:41 AM (#3570465)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mysha

Hi,

Oops, I see I automatically changed the spelling to match the etymology.

Yes, it's building up from 1/8th=Pin, 1/4=Firkin, so if you have the Kilderkin verse it's the next one 1/2=Kilderkin. And next of course you reach the whole barrel that the refrain is talking about.
I guess for a short version, one could just to the three fractions and the refrain.

You're welcome.
(For extra credit, the pupil may sing Barley Mow from Nipperkin up to Tun.)
                                                                  Mysha


27 Oct 13 - 09:57 AM (#3570475)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Richard Bridge

Can we get that tune in dots, or midi, or better still sung by a good singer - I want to do it with RC4 and finding a nice clear recording is hard?


27 Oct 13 - 04:28 PM (#3570566)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mysha

Hi,

Richard, there's abc code somewhere near the top of this thread, and there's a converter to tadpoles on fences at Mandolin tab net, which will also export your converted score to midi or pdf afterwards.

Youtube has, currently, a video of Ged doing a fair rendition of the song at Swindown Folk club. You have to find your own style in it, though. Me, I find I like the song best when at least the verse has a rolling quality to it; imagine rolling a barrel and singing; it's not going to speed up in speech or stop at the end of a sentence. Push-roll-roll, push-roll-roll, etc. Hard to do on an instrument, so I'd prefer just vocals for this one. But your kilometres may vary.

I hope that's of use,
Bye
                                                                Mysha


27 Oct 13 - 07:17 PM (#3570598)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Richard Bridge

Thank you Mysha - I wonder why I did not find that on previous attempts.


27 Oct 13 - 07:32 PM (#3570602)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Jeri

The song is in Picking Sooty Blackberries: Songs of Keith Marsden, if you can find a copy.


28 Oct 13 - 09:45 AM (#3570747)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Georgiansilver

How it should be sung!


20 Nov 13 - 06:58 AM (#3577290)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mr Happy

Anyone have explanations of the 1st verse?

What kind of drinking vessel is a 'pin'?

4 & a half is its measure in full - measure of what?

Not enough for a pull?


20 Nov 13 - 09:40 AM (#3577353)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mr Happy

Doesn't anyone know?

I'll be singing it tonight, in case someone asks


20 Nov 13 - 09:40 AM (#3577354)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mr Happy

Doesn't anyone know?

I'll be singing it tonight, in case someone asks


20 Nov 13 - 09:46 AM (#3577359)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mr Happy

Just found this

Pin

A pin is equal to half a firkin (4.5 imp gal or 20 l). Plastic versions of these casks are known as "polypins" and are popular in homebrewing. The word "polypin" has subsequently become commonly used in Britain for bag-in-box containers of any size.


18 Jul 14 - 06:53 AM (#3643082)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: sleepyjon

Mr Happy, I notice no-one ever explained a "pull"; - I guess you'll probably have gathered by now that it's a good healthy slurp or mouthfull - an enthusiastic beer drinker once insisted to me "I like to drink a pint in three or four pulls" - just before he fell over, as I recall.

That brings me to my own question about the words of the last line of the first verse - I'd always understood them to be "Too much for a sip, not enough for a pull" - which is how it's sung in Georgiansilver's link posted above - and the kind of nice literary construct that I'd expect from a lyricist of Keith Marsden's quality (I'm sure there's a word for it, but it escapes me.) However, it is indeed printed as "Too small . . . " in Picking Sooty Blackberries. Does anyone recall hearing Keith sing it by himself? - what version did he use?

SJ


18 Jul 14 - 10:51 AM (#3643125)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: MoorleyMan

Now I've always sung "too small for a sup, not enough for a pull". That's what Keith sings on the original LP recording (on "Prospect, Providence"), and as later printed in the PSB book. I'd always regarded that as the authoritative and definitive version...
Hope that helps settle it.
Cheers!
MM


26 Oct 14 - 02:23 PM (#3672272)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden)
From: Mysha

Hi,

> By the way, wasn't there a bit about there never being enough ale
> unless it were raining ale?


Searching the net has found me this one, in various places:

When drinking good ale it is best by the Tun
But never enough can be had in just one
So pray all you drinkers who often run dry
GOD willing our ale it will fall from the sky

Bye