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Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival

29 May 03 - 05:39 PM (#961480)
Subject: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Alan Bearman is willing to pursue my suggestion that the marquee in the garden of the Volunteer at Sidmouth might be used for a couple of "Folk clubs reunited" evening sessions. He'd particularly like me to host one on the Monday night, so (as a past President of Heritage) I've suggested that this might be a Heritage reunion night. I've also suggested that there might be a Mudcat night. Any Catters / former Heritage members interested in turning up? Any other suggestions for other club reunions? (Alan would like me to send him comments by 10 June.) I'll post this to umf too.

Kitty


29 May 03 - 05:50 PM (#961488)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Morticia

Mudcat night would be great,Kitty....


29 May 03 - 05:57 PM (#961490)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

Which Heritage FC are we talking about here?


29 May 03 - 06:06 PM (#961493)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Heritage as in what used to be the Oxford University Folk Club. Being a university folk club it had a prolific turnover. Other past Presidents include Louis Killen, Tony Rose, Roy Bailey, June Tabor, Peta Webb. (Also Pete Luscombe of Ramskyte, as I discovered on the campsite at Sidmouth last year, when he joined in the chorus of the Young Student sent down in his Prime, which I subsequently learnt was written in 1962 by McGrath of Harlow and Mike of Northumbria.)

Kitty


29 May 03 - 06:15 PM (#961499)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

Are you sure about Louis Killen? I remember him singing as a guest at the Heritage two or three times, but I dont remember his being a student there. Singers of the "The Student's Lament" may be interested to know that George's, the cafe mentioned in the first line of that excellent song, is now called Georgina's and has gone all trendy.
   When were you there, Herga Kitty? Does your nom-de-plume hide someone I knw?


29 May 03 - 06:36 PM (#961508)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Greg

I'm sure I've been told that Louis was a past President. I matriculated in 1970 and was President in Trinity 1972, by which time Louis would have been long gone. Until I asked him about the Young Student sent down, Kevin had forgotten that he wrote it, and had no idea that it had been handed down by successive generations(? matriculations?) of students. The proposal for a Heritage reunited session came out of a pub session in the Half Moon in Oxford on a Friday night in January this year, when the survivors of an OUMM practice (including John Forrest, who'd come over from the US and John Dawson who'd come from Kenya via Bootle) were joined by the survivors of the Oxford folk club (the guests had been Boden and Spiers)in a session organised by Mike Henry, who used to run Irish sessions in the Gardener's Arms in Plantation Road.

As far as I know, there has never been a proper (or even improper) Heritage reunion since the Baker's Arms closed. I think it would be really fun to find out who would turn up for one.

Kitty


29 May 03 - 06:45 PM (#961511)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: McGrath of Harlow

Lou Killen was before you Greg, even before me.

This sounds like a good idea. There's a few more Heritage relics around on the Mudcat, including El Greko and Mike of Northumbria.


30 May 03 - 02:01 AM (#961663)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

McGrath: Well I know Louis wasn't there when we were there, I was querying whether he was there before we were.I have heard this rumour before that Louis Killen was president of the society, but I did ask around about this and as far as I could establish, a rumour is all it is. But I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.


30 May 03 - 02:37 AM (#961669)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Rupert Ray

I'll come from British Columbia for a Heritage reunion if you can make it happen. I was president in 1970 and my claim to fame is that I played on the Heritage darts team with June.

Ray (Leonard)


30 May 03 - 11:51 AM (#961950)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: MikeofNorthumbria

Heritage reunion at Sidmouth? Great idea! I'll make every effort to get there for it.

Regarding Louis Killen - he was certainly a member of Heritage in the late 1950s, and people who remembered him were still around when I came up in 1960. I don't recall anyone ever mentioning that he'd been president, but be that as it may, he was (and is) one of the finest interpreters of traditional songs, and of new songs in the traditional style, that I've ever had the privilege of hearing.   

Wassail!


30 May 03 - 12:10 PM (#961965)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Cllr

I am sure there are folk clubs that have folded with a strong history and there for it is a good idea to have a reunion. I would of thought that some of the clubs that are still running after many years but have had an inevitable change of membership over this time would also be possible.
SO Uxbridge Herga Maidenhead reunions could all possibles. if it has to be defunct clubs how about Capital?

If this is taken up it could be possible you wouldnt see me in the anchor all week!! Cllr ( Hmmm mbs reunion Nah already been done)


31 May 03 - 06:38 AM (#962433)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Cllr

It doesn't have to be defunct clubs. Herga had a club night one year in the Beach Store (just shows you how long ago that was). But Herga's just had a reunion for its 40th birthday. I'm not sure many ex-Capital people go to Sidmouth these days (was discussing this with Helen this morning after our Birthday Girls gig last night). I suggested Heritage because there seemed to be a lot of ex-Heritage people around 2 years ago for the Tony Rose benefit concert - and I discovered last year that McGrath of Harlow and Pete Luscombe of Ramskyte are both past Presidents of Heritage. Alan particularly wants a session on Monday evening, and Herga and Heritage are/ were Monday clubs. I wondered about Dingles and Islington too, but I thought clubs outside London and the Home Counties might want an opportunity..... at the moment I'm just trying to find out whether a Heritage night would be viable for starters. NB There will still be a meeting of the Ashby de La Zouch FC at the Volunteer on Friday 1 August!

Kitty


06 Jun 03 - 02:12 AM (#963052)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Refresh - I have until Tuesday 10 June to comment back to Alan Bearman on possibilities for the Monday night....

Kitty


06 Jun 03 - 02:33 AM (#963054)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

I might be up for it. Talking of old Heritage presidents, I ran into Dave Webb at Glastonbury festival a few years back, still Hare Krishnaing after 30 years, banging the drum and dishing out free lentils to all comers.I have some good old tapes of him and Peta Webb in the 6o's.


06 Jun 03 - 02:35 AM (#963055)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

What is the proposed date for this do?


06 Jun 03 - 03:57 PM (#963365)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Greg

Monday 4 August - when Sidmouth started, the August Bank Holiday was the first Monday in August, not the last one. So the festival is always run over the first Monday.

I think Peta might have been Liz Lewis when you first met her....

All Heritage presidents are probably old by now!

Kitty


06 Jun 03 - 04:41 PM (#963393)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

She was indeed Liz Lewis.I remember the first night she sang there, 1964 I would guess...but I dont which song it was. Well I'm still in touch with a fair few singers from that era, I'll pass this word around if this session is confirmed.


06 Jun 03 - 07:13 PM (#963475)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

According to Peta (when interviewed by Roisin White at Whitby last year)she was playing guitar and singing Joan Baez numbers when she first sang at Heritage. But then Val Watmough took her in hand, and got her listening to English traditional singers.....

It would be very nice to see / hear you and other ex-Heritage people in the Volunteer. (And in my lunchtime singarounds in the Theatre Bar of the Manor Pavilion.)

Kitty


06 Jun 03 - 07:54 PM (#963489)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: McGrath of Harlow

Here's the Sidmouth lineup for Monday 4th. That Arena show at 8pm sounds pretty good. Still any night means clashing with something pretty good. That's Sidmouth.


06 Jun 03 - 08:10 PM (#963496)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Thanks, Kevin.

In terms of competing events, at least it's not Les Bottines Souriantes, and Les Barker will have finished, however shaggy the dog. As I've already said, I'll be very happy to see ex-Heritage people in the Theatre Bar at lunchtime. I still think it's worth trying to have a Heritage night in the Volunteer marquee on Monday 4 August. If I end up practising songs on my own (including the Student Sent Down in his Prime, as written by yourself and Mike of Northumbria and adapted through the folk process) so be it....

Kitty


07 Jun 03 - 01:00 PM (#963713)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Tattie Bogle

I don't have any association with Heritage, but I am a mudcatter and will be in Sidmouth, so OK to come? That's if Flook and Kerfuffle don't get me first!
Tattie B


07 Jun 03 - 02:56 PM (#963741)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Tattie B

Of course it's OK!

Kitty


10 Jun 03 - 08:37 PM (#965488)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Alan Bearman has now asked if I can come up with a title and some words for Monday night, 4 August including some named hosts. He needs this info by next Monday, 16 June. I'm thinking of something on the lines of "Folk clubs reunited" - not exclusively Heritage, or even Monday folk clubs only, but members of former or extant Monday night clubs including Heritage would be particularly welcome. Any suggestions for co-hosts?

Kitty


16 Jun 03 - 06:49 PM (#967259)
Subject: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

Well, I heard from Peta Webb today that she'll be minding the library at Cecil Sharp House while everyone else goes off to Sidmouth, so she won't be able to make the Volunteer marquee on 4 August. She suggested I try Greg Stephens, though, and the Watmoughs and June Tabor, also Alan Ward, Charlie Hewlett and even Mick Henry...

As far as I know, McGrath of Harlow and Mike of Northumbria will try to be there, as will Rupert Ray.

Because (especially with Mudcat being down) I couldn't get confirmation in time of another ex-Heritage President to co-host the session I've nominated one of my other co-hosts from the Theatre Bar singarounds, and former Herga member, Hugh Diamond.

I've e-mailed Alan Bearman suggesting a session on the lines of
"Ask the old barman to pour me another - Monday folk clubs reunited, with Kitty Vernon and Hugh Diamond" (I've spoken to Hugh and he's happy to do this.) "Anyone's welcome to sing, play or tell stories, but particularly people from clubs that meet or used to meet on Mondays". So now Alan's invited me to write a piece for the News. "Maybe 50-80 words explaining the intention. It could go in Saturday's which would give people a chance to talk about it over the weekend."

So if any former Heritage or Herga or other Monday club (no, not Monday Club) members want to contribute, now's your chance.

As it happens, the Oxford University Morris Men (who include several past Presidents and members of Heritage) are having their first day of dance for 15 years, next Saturday, 21 June, dancing at Wolvercote, Summertown and Foley Bridge, before going on to Abingdon to join the Mayor (of Ock Street) -making tour and feast. John Forrest is coming from the US and John Dawson from Kenya, among others, plus former Heritage member and founder of Poynton Jemmers Ann Mettam. That'll be a Heritage reunion of sorts in itself...

Kitty


16 Jun 03 - 06:54 PM (#967262)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: McGrath of Harlow

Hergitage...


16 Jun 03 - 06:56 PM (#967263)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: greg stephens

Herga Kitty: do you know where to find Val Watmough? PM me if you dont.


17 Jun 03 - 04:53 AM (#967442)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: MikeofNorthumbria

Kitty,

Good to hear that plans for the re-union are going ahead.

Val Watmough already knows about it (I rang her last week) but is not yet sure if she will be able to attend. Mike Harrington also knows, but is unlikely to make it. Sad that Peta Webb has to mind the C# library that week, but then, she is booked at Whitby, so I hope to catch her there. Meanwhile I've emailed Naomi Hallan in Luxembourg (no response so far) and Max McBurney in Nuremburg (who regrets he can't come, but will raise a glass to Heritage and all who sailed in her on the evening of Aug 4th).

Anyone got any news of Tony Green, John Baldwin, Richard Valentine, Cliff Henty, Ian Stuart, Bob Pierce, Ro Lee ...?

Wassail!


22 Jul 03 - 08:47 PM (#988463)
Subject: RE: Heritage FC reunion at Sidmouth festival
From: Herga Kitty

I hope to see some of the contributors to this thread in the Volunteer Garden Marquee on the evening of 4th August for "Ask the old barman to pour me another - Monday folk clubs reunited". Anyone welcome to sing, play or tell stories, whether from a Monday folk club or not - but various former members of Heritage have said they'll turn up. 4 August is also the final evening of the Railway Folk Club in Portsmouth, after 40 years, so we'll be toasting that too.

Kitty