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07 Nov 00 - 08:18 PM (#336303)
Subject: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Well folks,it's election night,and here at Mudcat Election 2000 HQ we are watching the results closely.So far,it's a barn-burner.The count at this time is Bush 121 electoral votes,Gore 119, and Gore has captured the key state of Florida.Big Mick has also apparently delivered Michigan for Gore. Stay tuned,and we look forward to hearing from all correspondents!


07 Nov 00 - 08:23 PM (#336305)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

Glad to see you got the place set up, LeeJ. Nice bunting. Did you remember the noise makers? Anyone setting up the drinks?

Not heard a word, here, yet, about Wyoming, but with only 3 electoral votes and given its penchant for the Grand Oil Party, I go on record, stick my neck out, dive right in and predict that Dumbya will take Wyoming, to my chagrin!

kat


07 Nov 00 - 08:27 PM (#336307)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

That may be true Kat,and I'm predicting Bush/Cheney take Colorado as well.So far the big surprise to me is Florida,and I think Gore owes a big debt to Banjer and Harpgirl for their excellent grassroots work in that pivotal state.


07 Nov 00 - 08:27 PM (#336308)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Big Mick

So far, so good. Come on, Pennsylvania. Make the ole Big Mick right on his call of 302 electoral votes. Be back later.

Mick


07 Nov 00 - 08:35 PM (#336310)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Thanks,Mick.That's Michigan correspondent Big Mick,who played a key role in creating the Michigan Gore lead. Alabama has gone Bush,and he has increased his lead to 130 to 119.

We are also interested in local referendums and Senate/Congressional races.Here in Colorado,legalized use of marijuana is a high profile issue.I voted for it,although I think patients who are prescribed marijuana should also get free milk and cookies as part of the deal.


07 Nov 00 - 08:35 PM (#336311)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

Yeah! C'mon, Pennsylvania - Home of the Mudcat!! Help the Big Mick out!!

LeeJ, don't forget Kendall, Liberal Extraordinaire, visited down there and had a mighty fine time of it, judging from a few postings. I am sure his work down there really helped.:-)


07 Nov 00 - 08:38 PM (#336314)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

That's our Wyoming correspondent Katlaughing. Yes,Kat,the influence of Kendall can't be overlooked,especially when you consider his impact in bringing in the Curmudgeon Vote both in Florida and Maine,which has just gone into the Gore column.


07 Nov 00 - 08:42 PM (#336318)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

That would be two votes for medical marijuana from the Great State Of Colorado. Except I said I thought chocolate fondue should be a part of the treatment.

Watching avidly on CNN-online, listening to NPR -- what I get for not having television. I could get results AND have those familiar homicidal feelings come back as I listen to the tele-twits narrating all night long...

Fingers and toes crossed that MY Guy wins ...

ww


07 Nov 00 - 08:49 PM (#336322)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

One problem with the fondue concept,Wyo...I've never been an advocate of mixing marijuana use with any kind of open flame and sharp utensils.

Gore has apparently just taken Pennsylvania.Way to go Max and Bert! Gore 145 Bush 130.Can Spaw bring Ohio into the Gore column? More after these messages....


07 Nov 00 - 08:54 PM (#336324)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

wow...when I came to the computer 2 min ago, Penn was undecided....that sure helps, if it hold up!


07 Nov 00 - 08:56 PM (#336326)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

5 minutes till NY and 6-7 others.....we 'could' see the answer if it goes well....but Washington & Oregon worry me


07 Nov 00 - 08:59 PM (#336327)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

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07 Nov 00 - 09:05 PM (#336331)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Thanks Kat,a great product.In fact I'm wearing one right now.

Wyoming,and North and South Dakota declared for Bush,New York for Gore. Gore182 Bush153,Popular vote 53%Bush 47%Gore. Hillary has won in New York...


07 Nov 00 - 09:07 PM (#336334)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

*sigh* I know.


07 Nov 00 - 09:08 PM (#336338)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

You took off the blue fez, LEJ? Or did you just hang it on the Pickle Dimmer/

ww


07 Nov 00 - 09:11 PM (#336341)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D


07 Nov 00 - 09:13 PM (#336342)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

...sorry...could NOT resist...*grin*


07 Nov 00 - 09:14 PM (#336343)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

Let's hear it for the Pickle Dimmer! Get the best of both worlds.


07 Nov 00 - 09:16 PM (#336345)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Ohio looms large,still too close to call.

WW...I can't wear the fez and the Pickle Dimmer at the same time as the bi-directional pull tends to put a cramp in my trucking muscle.

Could Gore lose the popular vote by nearly 5% and still win the election?


07 Nov 00 - 09:17 PM (#336348)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Bush has just taken Ohio and Tennessee...look out.Bush 185 Gore 182


07 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM (#336350)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

Somebody clue me in about the pickle dimmer.

Tim and I are still speaking to eachother - fondly - even though I voted for Nader. So who's going to accept my challenge and switch from Nader to Gore in California or Washington?

HEY! Pennsylvania for GORE!!!!


07 Nov 00 - 09:21 PM (#336351)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

Missouri looks SO important right now....and St. Louis will still be voting for till 11PM


07 Nov 00 - 09:30 PM (#336356)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Looks to me like Gore,in order to win,will need California,Oregon, and Minnesota in his column,as well as two of these: Wisconsin,Missouri,Arizona,or Washington.Shame about Tennessee,hey Al?


07 Nov 00 - 09:31 PM (#336357)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

Ohio for BOOOOOOsh!

Tennessee for BOOOOOOsh!

185 Bush 183 Gore.


07 Nov 00 - 09:33 PM (#336361)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

Minnesota for GO GO GO Gore!


07 Nov 00 - 09:36 PM (#336362)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Has Minnesota been declared for Gore,Miriam?


07 Nov 00 - 09:38 PM (#336363)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

What are the polls saying about California?


07 Nov 00 - 09:41 PM (#336364)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

The Governor of Wisconsin just said he was sure his state would go for Bush. Had the gall to be gleeful about it!

Miriam, there is a famous Mudcat song, written by our own Amos, tongue-in-cheek, about men's dangly bits, i.e. "pickles" glowing at night. It's been heard on Mudcat radio often and you can read it by going to the Quick Links, choose Aine's Mudcat Songbook and go from there.

kat


07 Nov 00 - 09:43 PM (#336366)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

Yes, Minnesota has been declared for Gore. I got carried away in my mode of expression.

Polls in CA don't close until 11 PM. They're not supposed to release the results of exit polls until then.

Robb just conceeded to Allen in VA. I'm no fan of Robb, but I hate to see the Dem's lose a seat, and I hate to see another electric-chair fan get into the Senate. Speaking of seats.


07 Nov 00 - 09:47 PM (#336367)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

it would be funny if W. Va. or N. Hampshire decided it at 3 am...well....maybe not TOO funny


07 Nov 00 - 09:47 PM (#336369)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

Do I dare?

"Concombre" has been one of my favorite French words since I was fourteen. How do you say "dimmer" in French?

Dimmer than what?

New Mexico for GO GO Gore! Yes, that means it has just been declared!


07 Nov 00 - 09:50 PM (#336370)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

if Mudcat is slow, Miriam...don't poosha da button twice...*grin*


07 Nov 00 - 09:51 PM (#336372)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Colorado is still up in the air according to CBS,but I can tell you that Bush has a substantial lead here,and Colorado will go to him.


07 Nov 00 - 09:53 PM (#336373)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

According to a handy-dandy online translator, dimmer is saumurer.:-)


07 Nov 00 - 10:01 PM (#336375)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

OOOPS. Florida has just been moved back to undecided...


07 Nov 00 - 10:01 PM (#336376)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

For some reason, the results in Florida have just been recalled, according to NPR -- they're saying it might or might not go to Gore now ...

Jayzuz what a squeaker ...

LEJ -- did you see that Medical Marijuana won? I'm feeling a little puny ... Somebody heat up the fondue. And LEJ, you'll never make it as a cowboy if you don't think sharp instruments and open flame are the elements of a great party. Let's RODEO!!!

ww


07 Nov 00 - 10:03 PM (#336378)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

lawsa MERCY!...they sure know how to tease a body!....anyone have any spare fingernails?


07 Nov 00 - 10:05 PM (#336379)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

Sorry for the double post. I saw my typo at the last minute and it turned out to have been too late to stop it.

Bush -212 Missouri, Ohio, Idaho, Montana, New Hmapshire

Too close to call: Arkansas, Iowa, Nevada, Florida (yes, Florida)

Gore - 173 (down because they changed their minds about Florida)

duplicate posting, up above, deleted
-el joeclone -


07 Nov 00 - 10:06 PM (#336381)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Missouri to Bush...looks dark for Gore suddenly


07 Nov 00 - 10:12 PM (#336389)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

bush 52% popular vote gore 46%


07 Nov 00 - 10:15 PM (#336392)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

Musicman, clear out the spare room... I'm Canada-bound ...

ww


07 Nov 00 - 10:16 PM (#336393)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

NBC has just put Florida back in Gore's column


07 Nov 00 - 10:19 PM (#336394)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

New Hampshire just declared - they are saying 217 bush 173 gore at moment


07 Nov 00 - 10:24 PM (#336396)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

NBC now saying again Florida is too close to call. I'm actually enjoying the fact that the computers can't reliably call this one...just wishing that a Bush state would shift back to TCTC.


07 Nov 00 - 10:28 PM (#336399)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

....WyoWoman...Canada looks pretty good right now...but they have an election coming up too...*grin*...maybe Skarpi would like company...*grin*


07 Nov 00 - 10:29 PM (#336400)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

saumurer de concombre

Concombre is actually cucumber. "Cornichon" is a small pickle (gherkin). We could say Saumurer de concombre au vinaigre.

Now wait a minute, "saumure" is brine.

Dimmer is "variateur d'ambiance" - or "plus bouché."

Thanks for helping me find "Your Pickle Glows at Night." Now I'll need to look up the tune so I can sing it to Tim.

To celebrate Gore's victory - or to comfort ourselves should the unthinkable happen.


07 Nov 00 - 10:31 PM (#336401)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Little Hawk

I'm not watching. Why would I? But it's fun hearing about it on Mudcat. I can't be bothered watching football either, actually....pointless game, unless, of course, you're actually playing it.


07 Nov 00 - 10:31 PM (#336402)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

The Floridians are a bunch of wusses! I'm standing in the surf fairly close to Japan at the moment Leej,. and from here it definitely looks like there's a Bush burning going on over there in round-eyesville. Lights up the whole Pacific Rim. Californians are turning out by the platoon to right the silliness of newscasters who try to swing elections by juggling their predictions. We feel this will be a ferocious contest with ultimate justice as the shadow of Voting Day moves slowly into the Western wetlands. Of course, as the bishop said to the actress, that all depends on whose Bush gets Gored.

Amos


07 Nov 00 - 10:37 PM (#336405)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

They're arguing about Tennesee. W VA has gone to Bush. Still arguing about FL.


07 Nov 00 - 10:39 PM (#336407)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

and someone just raised doubts about Pennsylvania. But the networks say they stand by their call.


07 Nov 00 - 10:40 PM (#336409)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Colorado is still too close to call, they say. My bet is they give Florida back to Al and Colorado puffs abd bellows its way into the Bush....camp, that is.


07 Nov 00 - 10:45 PM (#336410)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

I'd like to see the actual vote count for Florida.Arkansas is dead even.


07 Nov 00 - 10:48 PM (#336415)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

600,000 absentee ballots in florida


07 Nov 00 - 10:49 PM (#336417)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

And millions in California which might push the hinge of this whole shtick into the future by several days!!


07 Nov 00 - 10:50 PM (#336418)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Popular vote currently within 100,000 votes.Hell,Bush leads in Missouri 51% to 49%,and they've not counted half the vote there,but declared for Bush.This is crazy...but I love it!


07 Nov 00 - 10:51 PM (#336419)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Troll

I dunno, Amos. The registered Republicans in Florida outnumber the Democrats. It'll be the precincts in Miami, Orlando, and Tampa that'll tell the tale. The rural counties are all very strong for Bush but they should be mostly in by now.

troll


07 Nov 00 - 10:52 PM (#336421)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

Florida at 10:37 ET
Electoral Vote: 25
60% reporting
Al Gore, Dem 1,549,320 - 47%


07 Nov 00 - 10:53 PM (#336422)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

George Bush tried hard to rattle California; the polls have been close. But I believe, i believe, that California will listen to its heart and rise up to swing the nation by the short hours.

:>)

A


07 Nov 00 - 10:53 PM (#336423)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

"Saumuré" is pickled in brine. So we can have "le variateur d'ambiance du concombre suamuré" or "le conconbre au vinaigre plus bouchι" - but that sounds a bit too lewd. I don't post stuff like that on the internet.

Meanwhile, "saumâtre" means "hard to take."

Someone less pure-minded than I could realy do something with this translation.


07 Nov 00 - 10:55 PM (#336424)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

it's the panhandle, which was open for an hour later (different time zone) that is keeping florida undecided


07 Nov 00 - 10:55 PM (#336425)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Gore has 47%,Ebbie?What's Bush's vote count?


07 Nov 00 - 10:56 PM (#336426)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

Missed getting Bush's numbers in there: at 10:37 in Florida, Bush was at 51%.


07 Nov 00 - 10:57 PM (#336427)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

Lej...which media are you listening to mostly? You are getting 'different' results and earlier than I am seeing...

still...it is ALL nerve-wracking...it would be real hell to lose by 2-3 electoral votes


07 Nov 00 - 11:01 PM (#336429)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

They're projecting California for GORE!!!


07 Nov 00 - 11:01 PM (#336430)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

I'm scanning CNN,NBC,CBS.

NBC just declared California and Hawaii for Gore,but if ebbie's numbers are right,Florida looking grim.


07 Nov 00 - 11:01 PM (#336431)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MMario

yup - fox just declared Hawaii and california for Gore


07 Nov 00 - 11:02 PM (#336432)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

This is a nailbiter with 25 votes swinging. rockers in FL. Iowa, Wisconsin, Nevada -- where are you guys??? California just closed its polls....


07 Nov 00 - 11:03 PM (#336434)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

California's projected to go to Al. Hillary is talking about Pat Moynihan's farm and her black pants suits. Well, HERE we are! Hmmmph.


07 Nov 00 - 11:09 PM (#336435)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

when I get to be Emperor of the Universe, exit polls will be outlawed!...My nerves can't take it....let 'em just count the ballots!


07 Nov 00 - 11:13 PM (#336439)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Bush leading Fl by a cat's hair -- or was a minute ago... 3/4 of the votes in. Geezis! This is better than the World Series, Leej!


07 Nov 00 - 11:15 PM (#336440)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Matt_R

Looks like Shrubbya is puttin' the big hurt on ol' OwlGore, ain't he?


07 Nov 00 - 11:16 PM (#336442)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

ebbie,do you have new Florida numbers?


07 Nov 00 - 11:16 PM (#336444)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Washington exit polls supporting Gore, and reflecting Naders mischief on some of the critical hinge-points.


07 Nov 00 - 11:20 PM (#336445)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Colorado just moved Bush up into a tie -- Florida will be a key. Lot of absentee and late county numbers still washing around. C'mon Oregon! Murphy is heading for our Mayoralty. Dede Alpert is shutting down Sterling. Good show. GIVE BACK FLORIDA!!!


07 Nov 00 - 11:22 PM (#336447)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

Look at this insanity! (I'll go back and look, LEJ)
California: Electoral Vote: 54
• 0% reporting
• Al Gore, Dem 0 - 0% (declared winner)
• George W. Bush, GOP 0 - 0%
• Pat Buchanan, RP 0 - 0%
• Ralph Nader, Grn 0 - 0%
• Harry Browne, Lib 0 - 0%
• John Hagelin, NLP 0 - 0%
• Howard Phillips, CST 0 - 0%
• 0%


07 Nov 00 - 11:24 PM (#336449)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Nevada by CNN is leaning Bushward. Gore owes California to the WIMMINfolk!!

A


07 Nov 00 - 11:25 PM (#336450)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Gore 1% lead in Arkansas.Florida still showing 51%Bush 47%Gore on CNN


07 Nov 00 - 11:27 PM (#336452)
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From: Ebbie

No change given for awhile. Florida at 11:07
• Electoral Vote: 25
• 60% reporting
• Al Gore, Dem 1,549,320 - 47%

• George W. Bush, GOP 1,697,049
- 51%


07 Nov 00 - 11:27 PM (#336453)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Isn't CNN OWNED by Republicans? Huh? Huh? :>)

Gore had a couple of points on the leading data from FL but they're insisting on the numbers.


07 Nov 00 - 11:28 PM (#336454)
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From: GutBucketeer

Looks like it is going to be a very long night! Go Gore Go!!!

Can't imagine Bush AND a G.O.P Congress!

JAB


07 Nov 00 - 11:28 PM (#336455)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: DougR

Well, WyoWoman, I'd have to say of all the folks on the mudcat, I am most sympathetic to your quandry. I still think Gore might pull it off, so don't leave for Canada yet!

DougR


07 Nov 00 - 11:35 PM (#336457)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

And in Florida, pounding along on the outside here comes Gore! He has gained a length...
Florida

Tuesday November 7 11:25 PM ET

• Electoral Vote: 25
• 77% reporting
• Al Gore, Dem 2,049,699 - 47%

• George W. Bush, GOP 2,199,593 - 50%


07 Nov 00 - 11:37 PM (#336458)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Gore up 2% in Iowa,Bush up 2% in Nevada


07 Nov 00 - 11:37 PM (#336459)
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From: Bill D

Florida is the key......and it doesn't look real good. Thing is, I CAN imagine it with G.W, and a Republican congress...and 3-4 Supreme court appointments.

Big business, moralistic religions and Trent Lott deciding too many things.


07 Nov 00 - 11:39 PM (#336460)
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From: Amos

Alaska closes its polls -- the final frontier -- in 25'.

I have never seen a race like this -- even at Del Mar!!!

Could this be the beginning of the end of the Two-Party system? Is this the precursor of a new paradigm? In your dreams....

A


07 Nov 00 - 11:39 PM (#336461)
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From: Lonesome EJ

Hope in Florida....returns from heavily Democrat Dade County have not come in yet.


07 Nov 00 - 11:42 PM (#336463)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Jon Freeman

WW, you could always come to the UK and have Tony Blair or better still we could send him to you.

Jon


07 Nov 00 - 11:42 PM (#336464)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

Pretty decisive in California at 11:25:
• Electoral Vote: 54
• 11% reporting
• Al Gore, Dem 494,081 - 50% (declared winner)

• George W. Bush, GOP 459,088 - 46%


07 Nov 00 - 11:44 PM (#336466)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

Nawww, Amos....there is no mechanism for 3rd parties yet.The media can just choose to ignore them...now IF we dump the electoral college, maybe!


07 Nov 00 - 11:48 PM (#336470)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

If Bush carries the final count, the whole GUMMINT will be Republican... scarey business. Neither house is going to jump Democratic.

This is an unusual election for sure.

A


07 Nov 00 - 11:55 PM (#336473)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

So how do we go about dumping the electoral college? I understand it would require a Constitutional Amendment.

Gore wins Colorado. Still ahead 2 percentage points in FLA. Arizona - I missed it.

They predict Republicans retain control of house. Even if split comes out 50/50, which is still possible, tie-breaker will be Republican (either Leiberman's replacement or Cheney, depending on the presidentila outcome.)


07 Nov 00 - 11:57 PM (#336474)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Ebbie

Sorry to say that it's not likely that Alaska will be good news... We elect the damnedest people.


07 Nov 00 - 11:58 PM (#336475)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

That's "the outcome of the presidential election." "Presidentila" is a nice word, though, don't you think? If we ever get a female President...


08 Nov 00 - 12:04 AM (#336477)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

240 (Bush) to 231 with Alaska in Duh-Bah's camp. Florida may roll on into the absentee count ending as late as noon tomorrow!


08 Nov 00 - 12:07 AM (#336480)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

DAMN! Arkansas drove Blush to 240 vs 231. Wisconsin, Iowa, WA, Oregon...and FL still to show their stuff.


08 Nov 00 - 12:08 AM (#336481)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

Well I hope to be able to declare my home state in the Gore column, but it's still too close to call here, and about 50% of our ballots this year were absentee!

-Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 12:09 AM (#336482)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Washington just declared for Gore,Arkansas for Bush. 242 to 242


08 Nov 00 - 12:11 AM (#336483)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

Looks like CNN has given Arkansas to Bush, as well as Alaska.

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 12:13 AM (#336484)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Gore has 2% lead in Wisconsin and Iowa,Bush the same in Nevada and Oregon.Florida is the nut,and I think the Dade County votes are being held back until the end of the count.


08 Nov 00 - 12:16 AM (#336485)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

Wow, doug. Coming from you, that's downright moving ... Ok. I won't throw my toothbrush in yet, but the bags are out of the garage and the flannel jammies are folded up and set on the bed ...

ww


08 Nov 00 - 12:19 AM (#336488)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

If they do get the White House AND congress, in two years, we can at least take back the House and Senate!!!

Isn't it time for another commercial break, something for relief......


08 Nov 00 - 12:28 AM (#336489)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

I'm on pins and needles here.

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 12:29 AM (#336490)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

Miriam, it's to the tune of RISING OF THE MOON; there is a midi of that in the DT right here. I thnk that is also the tune to Wearing of the Green.

The politician who lied about living at my sisters' address and was charged with two counts of voter fraud and could face up to 20 years in prison won here. Voters are a strange breed. I would suspect she will resign and teh GOP are breathing easier knowing they can put another patsy in her spot. It's disgusting.


08 Nov 00 - 12:39 AM (#336494)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

I have craft shows to do....which means wood to turn....I am going to bed and dream of Florida.......ya'll don't stay up TOO late, hear?


08 Nov 00 - 12:42 AM (#336496)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

we'll keep a candle in the window,Bill


08 Nov 00 - 12:43 AM (#336497)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

Flo-ri-da! Flo-ri-da! Go-Go-Go-Gore! G'night, Bill....


08 Nov 00 - 12:45 AM (#336498)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

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Not available in all states.

---

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 12:50 AM (#336500)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Murray MacLeod

The game is up for Gore,there just aren't enough votes left for him to take Florida. Damn, for the longest time I thought he still had a chamce ..........

Murray


08 Nov 00 - 12:56 AM (#336507)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

NO! Not yet!! Keep the faith!!


08 Nov 00 - 12:59 AM (#336510)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

Make way for at least 2 years of environmental rape, corporate welfare, and diminishing civil rights. Sigh.

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 12:59 AM (#336511)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Murray MacLeod

Kat he can't do it he has to get a 120,000 plurality out of 500,000 votes still to come. I am crying too ....

Murray


08 Nov 00 - 01:04 AM (#336514)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: kimmers

it ain't looking too good here in Or-ee-gone, folks. Last I saw, it was 49% Bush and 48% Gore. I did my part, but my *&$%# husband voted for Nader. The noive!

We are, however, projected to have an ~83% voter turnout, which is good for something.


08 Nov 00 - 01:05 AM (#336515)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

Did I mention dismantling of the clean air and water acts, repeal of virtually all national gun-control laws, and an acceleration in the wealth gap between the richest 1% of the population and the rest of us?

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 01:06 AM (#336516)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Bush apparently issued a press release this morning announcing "President-elect Bush's" Agenda for Wednesday.

Dade County returns are coming in,and Bush's lead has dropped to 60,000 in Fla.


08 Nov 00 - 01:11 AM (#336518)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: wysiwyg

Amos' pickle song is featured in the beginning of a February radio archive... the 16th maybe?

We know what's important eh Mudcatters?

N Central PA Mudcatters voted for Big Mick, too.

~S~


08 Nov 00 - 01:18 AM (#336519)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Thyme2dream

gee....


08 Nov 00 - 01:27 AM (#336523)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Bush's lead down to 28000 in Florida,49%/49%. Hang on...


08 Nov 00 - 01:28 AM (#336524)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: wysiwyg

They are saying FL count will be done by 2:30 AM and still up for grabs.

~S~


08 Nov 00 - 01:30 AM (#336525)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

Oh, and did I mention the incoming congress will re-draw the congressional district maps nationwide?

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 01:31 AM (#336526)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: kimmers

Oregon's now 49% Bush, 46% Gore. How bleak. I apologize for my state.


08 Nov 00 - 01:43 AM (#336529)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: WyoWoman

How do they count the absentee ballots? Is it an electronic ballot that they scan? (I just have this image of tables full of League of Women Voters volunteers with pencils in their hands, making hash marks on white paper under the glare of the television cameras .... ) I mean, will they actually have them counted in the next few hours, or is this going to take some more time?

ww


08 Nov 00 - 01:44 AM (#336530)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: kimmers

Alex, at least your state is doing better. WA numbers look much more encouraging.

Now we're at 48% Bush, 46% Gore here in the land of Tillamook cheese and the spotted owl, and the political analyst on the idiot box says that there are still a *lot* of votes to come in from Multnomah county, which has traditionally been solid for the Democrats.

So, why are the Floridians going to stop in the middle of the night when they should stay up all night counting votes like those of us on the west coast? Huh? I smell re-count...

I can't believe I'm getting my political news from a folk music forum.


08 Nov 00 - 01:45 AM (#336531)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Thyme2dream

gee again..NPR says whoever wins will have to get along with both parties...gosh, politicians working together? Maybe this cliffhanger has a silver lining!


08 Nov 00 - 01:48 AM (#336532)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

They claimed they would have the absentee ballots counted by 3:30 am EST.


08 Nov 00 - 01:53 AM (#336533)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

"I can't believe I'm getting my political news from a folk music forum." kimmers,it's simple...we are the only people you can trust.:>}


08 Nov 00 - 01:55 AM (#336535)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Thyme2dream

Actually, last I heard, in Oregon, absentee ballots can technically be counted until Nov 22nd, they just have to be postmarked today...(CNN this time, switching back an forth on my PC)


08 Nov 00 - 01:57 AM (#336536)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Thyme2dream

okay.. I know what this reminds me of...this is almost as exciting as that last Superbowl!


08 Nov 00 - 02:18 AM (#336538)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: wysiwyg

OH NO


08 Nov 00 - 02:19 AM (#336540)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

NBC just acknowledged Bush President-elect of the United States.


08 Nov 00 - 02:29 AM (#336545)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

So did NPR. Fuck! I feel like puking. Unfuckingbelievable...


08 Nov 00 - 02:34 AM (#336549)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Lonesome EJ

Hell of an election. Thanks for being with us on this historic night.Now don your pickle-dimmers and shuffle off to bed.....


08 Nov 00 - 02:40 AM (#336552)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

It's the end of the world, as we know it...


08 Nov 00 - 02:55 AM (#336555)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: CarolC

*sob*


08 Nov 00 - 08:28 AM (#336629)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: MiriamKilmer

I wake myself up during the night to check for a migraine. The radio blared at 4 AM that Gore had retracted his concession. Florida must recount.

I took a shot for my migraine.

I can't stand the tension, but giving up hope would be worse.

Where are y'all?


08 Nov 00 - 08:31 AM (#336631)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: GUEST

I wasn't at my computer last night, so I'm just reading this thread this morning. Sounds like everyone was just as nerve-wracked as I was. But the drama ain't over yet. Keep hope alive. (Anyone else awake out there?)


08 Nov 00 - 08:34 AM (#336634)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: GUEST,Whistle Stop

That was me, by the way; guess I need to refresh.


08 Nov 00 - 08:51 AM (#336646)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: SINSULL

No real sleep last night. Up and down and every time I got a different report. The New York Post published a lovely red headline announcing "Bush Wins" then changes it to "Gore Changes His Mind" or some such nonsense. Now they are talking about a few thousand Gore votes in Florida accidentally credited to Buchanan by faulty machines and Joy Behar is claiming that the CIA under orders from former head George Bush has interfered with the vote in Florida. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ I need sleep.


08 Nov 00 - 08:53 AM (#336647)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Big Mick

Something else, eh folks? First off, stop this crazy shit about puking and leaving. I have been in this thing since January, but this is electoral politics. If the Governor wins, he does so on one of the absolute slimmest margins ever, and probably not with the popular vote. To all of you who bitch and piss and moan about the dear old US of A, let me ask you a question. In many countries if the margin were this close one would be concerned about armed insurrection. Our amazing democracy has allowed this great Republic to pass the torch on (arguably) the most powerful chair to sit in in the world in a peaceful way. What will happen, will happen. It has been an amazing ride and the answer is a day or two away. If Dubya wins, then it is incumbent on those of us who are part of the loyal opposition to be there enunciating the differences in our positions and approaches. We all provide the stability and vitality of the system. Anyone who would leave instead of staying and carrying on just doesn't get representative democracy.

Mick


08 Nov 00 - 10:12 AM (#336671)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: katlaughing

Maybe, Mick, but it gets damn tiring. After eight years of Congress fucking around and blocking anything Clinton tried to do for the people, it's hard to keep hope alive. Of course, Wyoming exacerbates this so perhaps I'l feel better about it next Spring when we finally get the hell out of here.

I am however just busting buttons over pride for Hillary! What a womon!!

kat


08 Nov 00 - 10:48 AM (#336690)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: SINSULL

You are, of course, correct Mick. I woke up this morning knowing that even if Ralph Nader pulled off the impossible and won the election, I would have a secure job, safe home, food on the table, and a normal life. I'm concerned about the long term effects our new president will have on the make up of the Supreme Court but life in the US will go on pretty much as usual. In that, we are blessed. I am staying.


08 Nov 00 - 11:51 AM (#336717)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Bill D

I am awake and pumping coffee into the old IV, and still no definitive answer!....wow!...........

No one was really prepared for Gore winning the popular vote and losing the electoral.......and Florida seems to be only a couple of thousand difference!....

Mick is right, of course....we will keep on keeping on......but if Bush wins this, the REAL winners will be the political cartoonists!


08 Nov 00 - 01:40 PM (#336755)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: GUEST,mousethief (at the library)

If Bush wins the real winners will be the oil companies, and the pharmaceutical companies, and the HMO's, and the heavily polluting industries, and the land-denuding timber companies, and so forth.

The losers will be the environment, the poor, and the middle-class.

Welcome to the 1980's, mark II.

Alex
O..O
=o=


08 Nov 00 - 02:40 PM (#336782)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: kendall

It just tickles the hell out of me to see that Hillery won. The country at large is not ready for an intelligent woman, but, I guess NY is!


08 Nov 00 - 03:47 PM (#336809)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: catspaw49

Sadly, Ol' Spaw had to do a little hosp time and my biggest regret was not being here to play with the "Mudcat Talking Heads!" One helluva' race!

I think its also true that no one in the office of president at this point will be able to get anything too radical through the Congress. Its Republican, by the slimmest of margins, making it incumbent on all of us as Mick has said to voice our opinions even louder. There won't be much passed without a fight.

Gawd, I'm glad to be back and seeing all these responses. I particularly dislike both Ashcroft and Danforth from Missouri and to see Ashcroft beaten by Carnahan's wife was quite fulfilling. Sorry about Ohio, but this is the home of Taft Republicanism even though we have often gone with Democratic Senators. The presidential race was much closer here than most figured.

Spaw


08 Nov 00 - 05:08 PM (#336836)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: SINSULL

The country at large is not ready for an intelligent woman, but, I guess NY is!

Still haven't learned your lesson yet, eh Kendall? What's your take on how often intelligent women get laid? Just curious...
Mary, still practicing irony.


09 Nov 00 - 01:32 PM (#337211)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: SINSULL

Anybody taking bets on how long before Jeb Bush is indicted for election fraud.
Still ironic, Mary


09 Nov 00 - 01:54 PM (#337230)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: mousethief

From what I've been hearing over the last 2 days, election fraud in Florida is a way of life. It's just unfortunate for the perpetrators that the national attention is focused on them right now.

Alex
O..O
=o=


10 Nov 00 - 03:05 AM (#337686)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: Amos

Unfortunate, hell; they've disqualified enough voters with their heebyjeeby forms to give Maine back to Bush and still put Gore in the White House. But Kendall would never stand for it!

A


10 Nov 00 - 03:23 AM (#337689)
Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000
From: CarolC

Here's Part Two