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FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories

23 Oct 00 - 12:20 AM (#325087)
Subject: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer

Wow, I guess I am first back and connected. I'm sitting and listening to Jed Marum's CD (1 of many I came home with) just trying to re-capture some of the great time I had.

Great Weather, Great Friends, Great Music!!!

The only things that I can think of that would have made it better are: More Mudcatters; Better Food; and of course much more time!

Mudcatville (our cabin) had a big central hall with 2 bedrooms on each side. On one side, the single girls (Moonjen, Dani, Jeri, Tinker, PJ, and Lani) stayed in 1 room. The single guys (JAB, Max, Joe Offer, Barry Finn, Allan C, Folk1234, and Big Mick) stayed in the other. Across the hall there was Roger from Baltimore and his wife, David Diamond, Dick Greenhouse (and wife ?), and Annamill/Annap and her husband Glen. Other mudcatter's at the Getaway inlcuded Momnopp/Judy0 (my ride up thanks again) Songster Bob and his wife Jennifer (Jennifer put the whole thing together. Thanks Jennifer), Bill D and Ferrara, Susan of DT, Dan and Bonnie Milner, Vixen and Reynard, MaryMac, Bert with family, Sandy and Caroline Patton, Fortunato and his wife Suzette, and many many others (total 39 'catters I think).

What Fun!

Highlights for me inlcuded:

Jeri singing...our cabin jams....Shanty Singing Saturday night listening to The Milners, Barry Finn, Ken Schotz, David Diamond, and others trade songs... The Mudcat Workshop, The Gospel Sing on Sunday Morning (Dani can sing folks)... taking a singing lesson with Lisa Null... our cabin jams ... hearing the gasps of those that dared the cold water showers Saturday Morning... earplugs ... and last but not least meeting everybody.

There, I got it started. Please continue... If I missed mentioning you It is not because I meant to. I just very very tired

JAB (with a smile on my face)...

23 Oct 00 - 01:00 AM (#325102)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer

OK.. Kick me in the head.. Charlie Baum, Lorraine, Judy Cook, and Uilleand were at the Getaway too.

Charlie helped lead the Chants, Catches and Rounds session with Dick Swain and Nancy Mattilla (wife?). The chant was from Mongolia and sent chills up and down our spines.

23 Oct 00 - 09:31 AM (#325233)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer

Here is Annamill's message from another thread:

Subject: After the getaway From: annamill Date: 23-Oct-00 - 08:15 AM

I looked for another thread but didn't see any so Here we are. Of course it was wonderful. The weather was perfect, the company was perfect, and the music... where do I start. There were a lot of Mudcat members doing workshops and concerts and each was awesome. The was a gospel sing on Sunday morning that was wonderful. Honey even started Wade in the Water and everyone helped him with the words as all he really knew was the chorus. It was good though. It was very inspiring, even for me. Sunday afternoon had a blues gathering, a Carter Family gathering, Mac Ochs, non-Mudcat, did a wonderful workshop on M. John Hurt. I could go on and on. I'm not going to mention all the Mudcatters that gave workshops because I know I'll forget someone and they'll be hurt. So let me just say that everyone I heard was fantastic. What amazing talent we have in our group. After hours was great too! We got together in the dining hall with some work songs, and in our cabin we had late night music on Saturday and from what they told me it was wonderful on Friday too. I cannot wait til next year. I'm sure you'll hear a lot more from others. My heart is still bursting here on Monday at 8:15 AM at work.

Love, annamill

23 Oct 00 - 09:37 AM (#325235)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer

You should have seen the smile on Glen's face when "Wade on the Water" resonated throughout the Gym, and the lead went from person to person, the harmonies building upon each other. He was laying back with his eyes closed leaning on Annamill and just taking it all in...and floating away ...


23 Oct 00 - 10:42 AM (#325274)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Catrin

That sound like some do folks!

As good as Llanstock even - and that's saying something!

We'll have to do swaps - sending delegates from one side of the pond to the other. *BG*

Glad it all went so well.



23 Oct 00 - 10:57 AM (#325281)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Fortunato

We were out on Saturday and had loads of fun. We started with the telephone workshop. Nan Goland and Bootsie and Judy Cook and Ferrera and lots more good folks. My favorite tune was TJ and Julie O'Malley doing "Jesus is on the mail line, tell him what you want".

Later we took the usual suspects, Dick and Lois Parks, Marv and Kathy Reitz, Nan Goland, TJ and Julie and Ron and Tim from Baltimore and lots more new folks, including Folk1234 up for the Country Music Workshop. Great, I will send pictures to the mudcat soon.

Our gaggle had so many songs to share that we went to the Gazebo for a Jam session. Then we did it again Saturday night in the 'jam' room of the dining hall.

We had a blast. Unfortunately I couldn't clone myself to be with everyone there and hear every song sung. Some time again, as my friend, Micca, says.

Thanks to the FSGW for another great year!

Chance & Susette

23 Oct 00 - 03:31 PM (#325500)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Bill D

wekk, Ferrara & I are home, wiped, but pretty happy...we were, as usual, the last ones out of the camp, along with Big Mick and Joe Offer and the Patons and a couple of others (one of whom lurks here but never posts)...Joe and Mick were extremely generous in helping straighten up the camp and making sure things were 'right' before they left. It was a new camp, and there were 'things to learn', so help like that was epsecially appreciated!..(they made LOTS of music, too!...Ya know what?, Bro Joe has quite a voice when he relaxes in the evening, and did a lot more than his camp songs specialty...he filled a room with a couple of gospel numbers...and got one He** of a chorus going. Of course, Mick did too...such moving and beautiful songs he knows......and JAB is a real virtuoso on that washtub bass!...I really enjoyed it in the Carter Family workshop.

And there were SO many more....I'll add other thoughts when I can think more clearly...(maybe about July...*grin*)....Im sure others will be filling in here as they get home and unpile.....

(also...there were MANY pictures taken..I will post most of mine on one of those 'album' sites in a day or two...I will assume that if you saw me taking pictures and didnt hide, that you wont object ..let me know if you feel otherwise)

Thanks to all for making it a great time...

23 Oct 00 - 03:45 PM (#325510)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Rick Fielding


Thanks Rita, Jennifer, Charlie and all who made FSGW possible and wonderful! It was a great experience, and I can't wait for next year. I'll join in the fun more here later, but I'm off to rehearse with Rick for now. Hello from Toronto!


23 Oct 00 - 04:07 PM (#325527)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: MMario

the visual I get from the phrase "posting on Rick's cookie" ....never mind....

sounds fantastic , makes me wish even more that I had been able to go this year. Here's hoping I can figure it out for next year.

23 Oct 00 - 04:39 PM (#325563)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Tinker

Well, I got back just in time to jump into after school pickups and activities, but I'm looking to keep my mind set in the weekend. I drove through the Port of Elizabeth Area and turnt on the Johnson Girls( Many too many CD's came home, naah, not possible, after all there were even more I should have bought) And my children got picked up from school to Celtic Mouth Music.... Spent hour after hour just soaking in such amazing music...Filled to over flowing with amazing amounts of wonderful music and experience and a great many really great laughs...... Now on to the next drop off. Thanks Catters for a amazin' time.

23 Oct 00 - 05:47 PM (#325644)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories

Did AllanC bring the "Mudcat Guitar" with him on its maiden voyage? Did Jennie bring her rosewood kazoo? Did Joe remember the marshmallows? Details! We need details!

23 Oct 00 - 05:57 PM (#325658)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: DougR

Sounds like you all had a great time! Thanks for the reports. Jen, when are you writing yours?


23 Oct 00 - 06:23 PM (#325679)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Jeri

Me: Tooke an 8 hour drive to Getaway that turned into over 10 hours because of bleeping NYC and the bleeping NJ turnpike. Spent Fri night thru Sun (about 2:15) at Getaway. Drove 9 hours home and arrived about 11:30. I HATE the NJ turnpike! Stayed up until almost 1AM reading "one more thread, me Johnny, one more thread, come rock and roll me over..." Got up at 6AM this morning and feigned conciousness through work.

On that bit in the middle - Fri night food and lotsa people singing in the main building. More singing in the cabin later. Sat - don't know what happened, but all the singing seemed rather quiet and polite. (I know a lot of people like this, but IMO singing's best when there's a mixture of rowdy and peaceful) That lasted until after the concert Sat night, but let me talk a bit about the concert.

I enjoyed it very much. Moonjen borrowed Tim (of VicTim - Vixen's sweetie) and did a wonderful song. (Duh - something about Georgia.) VicTim sang (duh again, but it was a good song). There was lots of great music, but the high point for me was the beautiful song (and tune) Lani Hermann sang - something about "Teach Me to Waltz." The tune itself is beautiful, but add some great words and an incredible arrangement, and you have people singing AND waltzing. Lani, if you happen to see this, where can I find words and tune? Well, another high point was Dan and Bonnie Milner, Also Dick Swain and Nancy Mattila (sp?)... I've got to stop some time!

Anyway, after the concert, we went back to the dining hall for make-your-own sundaes. Ken Schatz started a chantey and all hell broke loose, singing-wise. Folks were standing around in a circle. We wouldn't have just managed to get the sails hoisted, the anchors weighed and the pumps pumping - we would have just blown the whole damn ship out of the water. I actually left before it was over for fear I'd kill my vocal chords.

Back at the cabin, Mudcatters were still singing. We finally went to sleep, and I had a great time on Sun, even though I sounded like Janis Joplin without the talent.

Now - I'd like a report on Big Mick's workshop on Sun. He'd been practicing a song I like very much, but wasn't sure he was going to do it. Hope he did! I wish I could have been everywhere at once. I would have loved to hear Honey sing! I really enjoyed Lisa Null's voice workshop last year. Didn't have enough chance to talk to folks, either.

Oy - what a weekend!

(Oh, and just to make a long post longer, I bought a pile of CDs there, and listened to most of them on the way home. Not a less-than-wonderful one in the bunch! Thank you Folk Legacy and Camco - I actually enjoyed the drive home.)

23 Oct 00 - 06:39 PM (#325688)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Jeri

SINS, Allan did indeed bring the famous guitar. Jenny had the kazoo, but I believe the workshop fizzled - even the kids must have been wiped on Sun morning. Bert even made a "cameo" appearance on Sun.

My guess is Mudcat Radio on Tue is going to be a "must see/hear" event.

(Did I really spell "took" "tooke" up there? I need sleep...)

23 Oct 00 - 07:00 PM (#325701)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Old Ark-ey

This wasn't my first Getaway, but it was my first encounter w/catters. Now I are one. Look for Popular Songs of the Civil War in the future.

23 Oct 00 - 09:11 PM (#325766)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Liam's Brother

Blessed weather!

The concert on Saturday night was one of the best I've ever attended in my life. There were 20-odd performers and the variety and talent was just great. Charlie Baum did a perfect job as MC... very witty, descriptive and engaging. Dennis Cook's sound was clear as a bell (without the ring). The stage managers did a wonderful job getting everybody on and off so fast that it moved seamlessly and you could hardly scratch your, um, nose between performers.

The impromptu shanty-sing on Saturday night was cracklingly good but I heard a lot of very fine music coming from one cranny or another during the weekend. The country music, for example, that caught my ear going back and forth to the pond sounded really fine.

I hate to single out anyone because it could have the effect of diminishing others and everyone sang very well. However, I really enjoyed listening to Lisa Null. I've known Lisa about 25 years and she has always sang well. She was brilliant this weekend.

The temperature was warm enough that the fish were active down at the pond. There were a lot of 8 inch bluegill sunfish and the largemouth bass were about a pound and biting much of the time. Mick brought some supplies (worms and Guinness) from Michigan and he and I pretty much matched each other fish for fish at the water.

I enjoyed performing with my wife, Bonnie. We are not a duo in that sense. We had a lot of fun singing together in our concert spots and informal settings.

It was good to meet Mudcatters old - some very dear friends - and putting faces to names on threads. All-in-all, it was a very relaxed weekend and I thank all who put in the hard work organizing the event and congratulate them on their success!

All the best,
Dan Milner

23 Oct 00 - 09:53 PM (#325786)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Liam's Brother

My second time at the Getaway and it was even better than last year (especially the weather). Even heard an Italian folk song or two! (The three tenors should take notice - Sandy and Caroline Paton and also Rita Ferrara are closing in). Put a few more faces to Mudcat names and now cannot be accused of never having posted myself!
A lot of good music, camaraderie, and some great laughs made for a weekend of sheer fun and relaxation. Highlights? The overall feeling of being welcomed so warmly (thanks to a great group of you in the folk club) and finding people just as keen on sharing the same musical interests.
Barry & Mick - are you home yet? It was a long trip down there on Friday due to traffic and road construction and the added anticipation of getting there - but well worth the trek. Coming back home was much faster - too fast! Till next time - Ciao, ciao

23 Oct 00 - 10:18 PM (#325801)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani


All I can say is, I'm glad for my own bathroom back, and a chance to rest my voice. That's what I thought when I left this morning, but as soon as I hit 95 South I popped in my new CD: Ken Shatz. 7 hours later, I had no voice at all.

I am also the proud new owner of the rosewood kazoo, gifted to me by Jen after I complimented her playing on Roger in Baltimore's FINEFINE 'Biscuit Blues'. Thank you, Jen.

And yes, there were plenty of marshmallows! I'll tell you more later about how wonderful your own Joe Offer was with those kids.

My friends, JAB is a heck of a singer, too - or will be if he sits up straight like his teacher told him to! And he plucks a mean tub. Photos soon...

I suspect the Mudcatters proved their chops to those warm, wonderful FSGW'ers. A friendlier welcome there never was.

Thank you, all.

More stories later...


23 Oct 00 - 10:33 PM (#325810)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,ShadowMonk

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I MISSED IT!!! Don't get me wrong, my weekend with my girlfriend was great, but this is the first Getaway I have ever missed. Some of my best memories are from the Getaway. That's where I MET my girlfriend! All I can say if that I am NOT missing the next one...

23 Oct 00 - 10:34 PM (#325811)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Barry Finn

Hi & Bonnie, Yup just got in a little while ago, took around 11 hrs, got lost some where around Philly & started heading for Alantic City & when I tried to correct that mistake I found I was headed back to getaway, it was right out of the twilight light zone. The workshops & concerts I made it to were all great & I mean everyone was top notch. The evening concerts were even more outstanding but it's the late night singing that was the real kicker. The first night was guite blast it started off & didn't stop till bout 2am (the other session in the other room went till 3:30am) I went back to my cabin to nap & couldn't get to bed for want of the session in the outer hall baring the way to bed, oh well, can't beat 'em join 'em (didn't take much arm twisting). Those that had to head back Sun missed a killer of a jam Joe & another fellow (can't remember his name) had me, Dan & Mick doing a 60's gospel backup complete with soul saving & dancing. Rita & Lani & PJ had a corner on the swinging, spanking, sexual, singing mode & Judy Cook & hubby Dennis took yodeling into a new & never seen dimension, it had to've been the funniest & best late night session in ages. Have to come down from my high & get another nap, I'll come back, good night all. Barry

23 Oct 00 - 10:57 PM (#325827)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Gorgeous Gary

And a few more comments from another member of the "home team"...'twas another fun Getaway (and the plumbing worked this time!), great to see all the 'Catters again. Great to see Mike Agaronoff again too; I'd made one NJ Folk Project Spring Festival a few years back and got to hear him there (and Camille West, now of the Bitchin' Babes). Brought home a pile of CD's to peruse and a list of songs to troll the database for. The Saturday concert was wonderful (I had to flee before Sunday's), and Roger, Mick, and Moonjen's sets. So now I have just a week to recover, then I'm off to Ohio...

23 Oct 00 - 11:53 PM (#325844)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

Of course, what I said above was not at ALL what I meant. What I MEANT to say was that, knowing that there had been some trepidation about inviting this motley mudcat crew last year, I was hoping that there were no regrets. And then, this year, what struck me was that I couldn't tell one from the other! Music, the great equalizer, seems to have bestowed her blessings on all of us. When voices are raised in song, walls fall down.

And Barry, you forgot to mention the trad gem uncovered last night: Bench shanty!


24 Oct 00 - 12:42 AM (#325854)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: bbelle

Hi y'll ... I'm not going to post long tonight. I just arrived home ... 3 hours late because they was a bomb on my plane leaving BWI. After sitting on tarmac for a while, the captain comes on a says they have a "profiled passenger" who checked luggage but did not board and "they" would be bringing in bomb squad and dogs to search through luggage and cabin. I was the first one on the plane and noticed a man standing in the very back looking very casually official and very much like a G-man. I thought it a little strange and watched him ... he was looking at everyone's face who boarded. So, they took all the luggage out on the tarmac and the dogs sniffed luggage until they found the bag, which they promptly put into some kind of "bomb" cart. Then they brought a dog onto the plane to sniff, but they didn't find anything else.

No ... they didn't let us move off that plane. I kept my composure and didn't panic, although I was dying a thousand deaths inside. I was very glad to reach Atlanta and then Jacksonville and home, here in Tallahassee.

I have wonderful memories and anecdotes and I want to share them but I know you'll understand if I wait a couple of days to calm down a bit.


24 Oct 00 - 08:39 AM (#325993)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

Jen, who did you offend badly enough to be cursed with "living in interesting times"? You've lived through about 14 people's share of interesting times so far. So glad you could get to the Getaway which was a lot less "interesting" and a lot more relaxing.

Dani, thanks for the lovely words about "not being able to tell one from the other." The Getaway has always attracted people from all over the country, who heard about it in various ways. Now that lots of people have heard about it via the Mudcat, it's richer and there's a wider variety of music and even more layers of friendship and warmth and fun.

Allan C and the Mudcat Guitar were sitting next to me in Mick's Songs of the Struggle workshop. I wanted to sign it! - But he has a protective finish on it now, so it will forever be just the people who signed it on The Tour.

Speaking of the Struggle workshop. Oh, my. A three hankie special, and enjoyed every minute. Mick opened with Rick Fielding's "Voices of Struggle." Lorraine sang a Frankie Armstrong song about fishing trawlers being sent out by the owners too late in the season. Sondra Wallace (Andy's wife) sang "The Town I Loved So Well," with so much feeling that Sandy Paton couldn't even sing right afterwards, he was too choked up. Then Sandy set us all off again with "My Old Man." Luckily there were folks, including Nancy King (mom of Ken Schatz, ex of Boarding Party's K.C.King, wonderful woman) who sang "It's UAW/CIO that makes the army roll and go," and Joe Offer, who had some more great upbeat Union songs to balance things.

Well, that was my favorite workshop, will try to offer not quite so many details from here on.

I was wore out from tramping over the camp to figure out which building to use for the concerts, etc. and I missed the campfire for the second year in a row! This was inexcusable. Joe works magic at those things.

They're organized by Annie Storr and Joel Greer, parents who have done it for about 6 years I think. They bring the marshmallows. Joe leads the campfire sing. After his songs and stories, while they were roasting S'Mores, kids were clustered around Joe, hanging on him, coaxing more stories out of him and telling him stories in return. Last year one kid even buttonholed him in the dining room to tell him another story. Oh, Joe, I'm sorry I missed the campfire! Please please come back next year! Give me another chance!

Biggest surprise of the weekend was looking up after the first song in my concert and seeing Bert there! - He came down as a day-tripper, surprised everyone.

In the past, workshops have often been mostly sing-arounds. I was impressed by the success in the last two years of Lisa Null's vocal clinic and Max Ochs' Mississippi John Hurt and Slide Guitar sessions, and last year by Roger in Baltimore's and Barry Finn's Prison Work Songs. So this year we arranged for more folklore and opportunities to learn. The Mudcatters really contributed to that. Pam Swan's Mouth Music workshop, Barry Finn and Dan Milner's Ireland and the Irish (with help from Big Mick), Mark Gilston and Uillean's (have I misspelled it again, Shana?) International Songs were all chances to learn a lot of the history of the music and the cultures that created it, as well as have a very good time. There were others but this is a core dump and those are the ones I remember right now.

A high point of the weekend was hearing Sandy and Caroline Paton sing an Italian lullabye for me and Liam's Sister-in-Law who also has Italian origins.

Oh. The bench moving shanty. Who started that? Was it Jeri? No, Judy Cook, I think. I do know my husband was on the other end. You see, they had these high backed benches like church pews and there was a very long one that was on an uneven spot in the floor. My memory is a bit fuzzed here but it seems to me Barry Finn and Dani were the worst instigators of a little game that involved waiting till every one was immersed in a song, then shifting your weight, like on a seesaw, so the people at the far end of the bench would go bump in a most startling and unexpected way.

Well, what the hell were we singing? Can't remember but it has to have been loud and boisterous. Judy said, "I'm Gonna Do It," and she grabbed the back of the bench and started pushing the whole thing in a circle, pivoting on the rough spot in the floor. About six people were being taken for a ride. But it's hard for one person to get up any real speed, you see. So then Bill got on the other end, and there were other aiders and abetters, and for the entire length of one song they pushed this damn thing 90 degrees round, reversed direction, back again to Start and away we go again. It's the second silliest thing I've ever seen at a Getaway.


Many, many thanks to Joe Offer, Barry Schlesinger, Big Mick and Bruce Gewirz for their help in leaving the camp in good condition on Monday morning.

Hope to hear some of these people again tonight on the Mudcat Gig.

Love to all. Gosh it was good to see you. Rita Ferrara

24 Oct 00 - 09:22 AM (#326010)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: catspaw49

I'm with Rita.......Geeziz Moon, you really have some "interesting" experiences! for almost 5 years I averaged 4 flights a week and NEVER had a bomb, hijacker, or too many bad landings (yeah, I know...if you walk away,its a good landing). How do you rate such neat stuff? So tell me, did they pass out clean underwear?

Glad you're OK.


24 Oct 00 - 11:55 AM (#326107)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Allan C.

There were far too many wonderous things which happened over the weekend to list - lots of them were not on the program. In many cases I was getting to visit some of the 'Catters for the third time in the same year; others, for the second time. What a privilege! It was good as well to renew acquaintences with some I had seen at last year's Getaway. But it was especially cool to see some Mudcatters for the first time - some of whom were quite new to the Mudcat.

It is simply amazing to discover/rediscover the incredible diversity of interests and talents of the people who attended. There was so much music within these folks that there simply was not time to hear all of what was presented.

The surprises were many. I think nearly everyone's voices were challenged by both the intense use and the cold night air. I found myself (normally a tenor) singing basso profundo, hitting notes formerly unknown to my throat. Folks who had been spoiled in previous years by excellent food, prepared with imagination and amazing talent, were somewhat disappointed by what was made available to us.

On the other hand, the facilities were all we could have wanted. Heck, there were so many buildings and gathering places that some were never even used! Although it seemed that anyplace you needed to be was uphill from where you were, the exercise was good for us and the trips were always worth the effort.

My personal favorite moments were:

listening to Pam Swan singing in the shower

watching Mick work incessantly to "nail" a song he wanted to do for his workshop

seeing and hearing Glenn Hammil (Anna's "Honey") as he got with the spirit of "Wade in the Water"

witnessing the almost-physical change Max made whenever he sang some blues. He virtually becomes an old black man at times.

sitting with Sandy as he described a young man named Art Thieme who had asked Sandy how to be a folksinger

watching JAB as he thumped the night away on his washtub bass

listening to Joe as he traded gospel songs with Sandy

watching Caroline - just watching her do nearly anything is a pure joy; she exudes joy at every turn

hearing Barry Finn put heart and soul into every note of every song

singing a few with Moonjen, Vixen and Tim

listening to Tinker speak of her travels into the not-so-nice parts of a southern town

seeing Dani's rosy cheeks glow as she sings

noticing again how easy Roger in Baltimore makes it look to play blues guitar

having my heart shredded by Ferrara's singing of a poignant song of struggle

finding that once again Dick Greenhaus can dredge up a song from a zillion years ago and play it in such a way that I feel as if I have known the song all my life

discussing music theory with Songster Bob

hearing Jeri's blending in of her fiddle on a tune or two

sitting among 'Catters until the wee hours as we traded songs and quips

...so many more

24 Oct 00 - 12:26 PM (#326122)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: folk1234

What a weekend! It was truly a pleasure to meet so many 'catters. All were 9 feet tall and so full of music and 'togetherness'. My favorite times were Moonjen's and Mick's concerts, and my most favoritest activity was the late night 'cat-jams' in the cabin.
Got in at 1:00 am this morning, tired and aching for my real bed and a long hot shower.
Many thanks to the FSGW folks for putting on such a fine event.

24 Oct 00 - 01:03 PM (#326151)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Bill D

re: the food....

I do know I would NEVER take on the job of catering to that many varied tastes...this camp handled it by doing big heaps of simple stuff. At least it was ready on time and easy to get to..*grin*...For a 'man of simple tastes', like me, it was tolerable, though I know some looked at piles of sort of dryish hamburger patties and thought longingly of past spreads. (The chicken & baked potato Sunday night wasn't bad at all)..and not being a fan of eggs, having heaps of hash browns and french toast and link sausages suited me. Perhaps the food can be negotiated in the future.

as to 'uphill', I'm afraid that we can do little to level out what one fellow referred to as "Camp Escher", but they were fairly tolerant of us using cars to ferry loads of stuff and handicapped campers to the various venues.

Rita & I have been sort of non-stop debriefing and talking to Charlie and others about how it all worked and how well it suits us...I expect there IS a good chance we will be there next year, but a long-term deal is still undecided. Any input from attendees is welcome...(emailed, hopefully, not all typed in here)

But, yep, all that good stuff referred to was just as good as it sounds. Much relaxing, music making, and making & renewing friendships. I feel very fortunate to have found the FSGW 20++ years ago and been amongst this kind of music ever since...and now, with the "Miracle of Mudcat" adding to the rich texture and talent we already had, I expect to sing, gripe, slog and exhult thru many MORE years of sleep deprivation and pure joy at the Getaway.

24 Oct 00 - 01:37 PM (#326178)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

Allan's not kidding - he was in top form, especially with the beautiful love song he sang at Sunday's concert.

Hmmm. Highlights? That implies LOWlights, of which I found none. Well, OK, the bathrooms were a challenge for grownups to fit it, but other than that….

A few things that will remain with me:

- Mick and Barry singing us a lullaby. They had to: we couldn't stop giggling. I didn't know I COULD giggle.

- The weirdness of brushing my teeth while listening to the sounds of mudcatters singing various things all over the cabins

- Folk1234 spins out some haunting songs. Gentle spirit and beautiful playing and singing

- The Friday night cabin jam. Roger's Marge had brought some moodlighting, and it was a cozy, safe, wonderful reason to be a 'catter.

- the Sunday night jam was a struggle for the soul. I've never heard a finer collection of salacious, gory, scary, funny, raunchy songs in my life. Or maybe it was just the singing. Even the gospel songs were a little too exciting.

- Pamela's Celtic and Scots mouth music. She shared something so foreign to many of us in a way that made if haunting and funny and very accessible. I want to know more!

- Lordy - between Mick's Songs of Struggle workshop and Sunday's concert, my heart was bruised and battered. Really. If part of the job of folk music is to carry on stories, then people, it's happening. There was Sandy's song (mentioned above), Rita's (mentioned also), Charlie Baum's at the concert, about the woman mistakenly imprisoned in the lunatic asylum, any of several songs Barry wrote and sang his heart out on, Judy's song about a woman finding her birth mother…

- Barry Finn's own songs are amazing. He writes these wise, hard-hitting things and then just flings them out of his soul into your face.

- Roger can just tickle you to the floor with his Biscuit Blues, Breakfast Blues, and others that he can just DEADPAN like crazy.

- I don't know about Max changing color, but I do know somebody's speaking through that guitar when he plays. Beautiful.

- You really might have mistaken Barry, Mick and Dan for the Shirelles. Watch out for three Irishmen with glints in their eyes and glasses in their hands…

- I loved ANYthing Lani Hermann sang, but her singing of "Teach Me to Waltz"(?) was so sad and so lovely all at the same time. Sheesh. I hope she'll forgive us for acting like a bunch of ninnies in the cabin!

- Blues Workshop. Wow. Dave Diamond is a hoot! What a treasure. His "Sushi Blues"? (or "California Roll"?) is too hot for prime time. And Dave Thorpe is one helluvan ambassador for the blues and a helluva singer to boot.

- A nice surprise: Jeri's fiddling is almost as lovely as her singing, but neither one is as wicked as her sense of humor.

OK - enough for now.


24 Oct 00 - 03:03 PM (#326239)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Barbara

Jeez you all make me jealous. I'm going to have to find a way from here to there next year,
And Jeri, give me a day or so, and I'll post a version of that song Lani sang. It was written by Sharyn Dimmick of SF without a chorus, something that Sharyn feels very strongly about, and maybe possibly has forgiven Lani for by now, but don't count on it.
We ran Sharyn's version in the Folknik, the SFFMC's newsletter, where I'm still hoping we can get your "Islip Long Island" one of these days.

24 Oct 00 - 03:20 PM (#326258)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

Barbara, in her defense, Lani was clear that Sharyn Dimmick didn't like it that way, but let me tell you... the song itself is lovely, but it is the WAY Lani performed it that gave it its tremendous power. At least, I think so.


24 Oct 00 - 04:02 PM (#326297)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

This is stunning. I was there, and I'm learning about so many parts of it that I missed because we can't run it all in simulcast! Neat.

Jen, I forgot to say, I'm mighty thankful that the people responsible did their job and you didn't take off with a bomb on board.... have been thanking Whomever all day.

Boy, Barb, you've got my hopes up now. I'm gonna be campaigning to get you here next year. I think the last time I saw you was New Year's '79 ... too long. This year's Getaway makes me want to try harder to get to other Mudcat gatherings in our neighborhood, too!

In response to Allan's comment that "it seemed that anyplace you needed to be was uphill from where you were," I want to state firmly that the dining hall was *downhill* from wherever you were. This had the consequence that as soon as you finished eating, you got to trudge uphill to the next workshop. No matter where you were going, unless it was downstairs to the pool area, you got to climb to it from the dining hall. Remarkable. A real incentive not to eat too heavily.

Just after we left camp, I saw a bald eagle circling. Who else saw it/them during the weekend?

Am really enjoying reading people's lists of highlights. Hope more folks will share their highlights. Here are a couple more of mine.

Hearing Barry Finn sing a marvelous song about miners by Ewan McColl. Bill said later, "I suspect it didn't sound as good when Ewan McColl sang it." I got to hear more of Barry's singing this year than last, and every time, it was a moment to remember. He wrote a song about corruption in labor unions, from personal experience; and sang it in Songs of Struggle. Very fine.

Well, I see I can't write a nice concise highlight, can I? Guess I better hush for a while.

No, wait, just one more highlight, OK? Then I'll stop.

The mudcat community should be informed that the Salacious Songs at the Saturday Sing were Requested By Joe Offer. He said he wanted a song of "salacious love." Well, I sang my favorite, "The Links of Montrose," which sounds like a sweet, tacky parlor song for the first three verses and then descends into sewers and bogs of fairly raw single entendres. No subtlety but lots of humor. Learned it from Ed Miller, of Scotland and Austin. Apparently I missed much more salacious stuff later in the evening. Rats. Was anybody recording the song about the nuns?

24 Oct 00 - 04:27 PM (#326318)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: bbc

I'm really enjoying reading your memories; so many of you are dear to us. Brings back last year's Getaway for me. We would have loved to be w/ you at this year's, but will try for the next one.

love from NY,


24 Oct 00 - 05:09 PM (#326346)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Liam's Brother

Ms. Ferrara:

I have just looked up salacious in the dictionary. Yes, your song was lustful, lewd and obscene. Filthy, actually, and with no socially redeeming characteristics.

I like it immensely, of course.

All the best

24 Oct 00 - 05:18 PM (#326354)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

Pamela, I am sure, will provide the nun lyrics so we can get them in the DT posthaste. Had it actually BEEN recorded, she may have had her name in Post Offices all up and down the East Coast. Though, I am ashamed to admit, that we ALL sang it... lustily.


24 Oct 00 - 05:23 PM (#326357)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Charlie Baum

The Wallflower Waltz is the correct name of the song Lani Hermann played on Saturday night--and the lyrics are already here at Mudcat! It was amazing to listen to, and to watch people in the back of the hall uncontrollably giving in to waltzing with one another.

I'll have a lot to say, once I get caught up with my sleep, my mail, my phone messages, and my life. In the meanwhile, I've also been debriefing and listening to ideas for improvements for next year (you're welcome to send me private messages contianing ideas and criticisms, since I hope to be a position to fix them--and yes, the food is the first thing I've got to improve.)

Thanks to everyone who cleaned up after themselves, and who cleaned up after others, and also thanks to everyone who came, because the weekend's success is the sum of all of the music and good times everyone brought with them to the valley of the Susquehanna.

--Charlie Baum

24 Oct 00 - 06:56 PM (#326464)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: bbelle

Now that I've had a chance to regroup, realize the fact that one of my nine lives went by the wayside during the bomb thing and now I'm down to eight lives, I'll give you my impression of the weekend.

Charlie, Rita, Dolores, Jennifer, et. al., did an awesome job of planning and I am eternally grateful. So, the food wasn't Debbie McClatchy, I didn't go hungry. The beds were comfortable, as were all the workshop and individual concert venues. The after-dinner concerts in the gym were great, with lighting and microphones, theatre seating, and a fabulous stage crew.

P.J.'s Mouth Music concert and workshop was different and unusual and new and a delight. And, she can play a "mean" bodran!

Of all the individual songs I heard, Lani Hermann's "The Wallflower Waltz" and her fiddle accompaniment was the most poignant and brought me to tears. She was a pretty good sport, too, bunking in with all us rowdy mudcatters!

This year was different than last. Last year, there was the magic (for me at least) of meeting everyone for the first time. Every single memory was magic. But, this year, there was a comfort level in knowing these folks, and is equally as special as the magic.

Our Mudcat Cabin was lively. Four very large rooms, with no doors, and a common room in the middle. They put the couples on one side of the common room and the singles on the other side, with the shared bathroom/shower inbetween. You would have laughed at me and P.J. locating the "blind" spot in the room so we could dress with some modicum of respectability. The boys, on the other hand, have neither couth, respectability, or modesty!!!

The camp site was beautiful and it was a schlep up to the gym, but I managed, even with my heavier-than-lead guitar case. This year, I will invest in a Reunion Blues Gig Bag!!!!

The following I wrote last night on the plane, between bomb squads and home. I don't mention everyone, but y'll know who you are.

For the second year I journeyed far
to follow the roadmap in my heart.
Clefs were turns, notes were stops along the way.
To make music with friends and share in the joy
Of my second Getaway.

The first 'cat I saw was folk1234.
'Cats have a way about them, you see
Open arms for a stranger and a friend to be.
Then we gathered our wits and our guitars in hands
And off we went to explore this new land.

We were the first to arrive and play Lewis & Clark
It was mid afternoon but soon to be dark.
Changing leaves, rustic cabins, surely g-d at first sight
Up the hill and down the hill with all of our might.
Little did we know that for three days we would repeat this same hike.

'Cats arrived in waves and floods through the night
To see their faces once again was pure delight.
The hugs were many and the smiles many more.
My heart was bursting with thanks, for these friends
As each walked through the door.

Now close your eyes and imagine this sight
13 "single" Mudcatters turned into teenagers overnight.
Rooms side-by-side with seven beds each and no doors.
The boys were boys and the girls giggled long into the night
We froze our tushies and our nightclothes were a fright.

Shared showers and toidies I won't discuss
Some things must remain sacred but who can you trust.
The first morning up couldn't have been finer
Then think of When Harry Met Sally and the scene in the diner.
It's what was heard when Dani and I braved a cold shower.

Making music with friends cannot be described
There are no words that say what I feel deep down inside.
The talent was boundless and generous of heart
And I took advantage with no shame
Adding mandolin and banjo and voices to my part.

We sang of a Rose in Georgia, Tim and I
My guitar and his banjo the perfect complement ... what a high.
Songster Bob added mandolin to the story of the Long Black Veil
You could hear the cries and the moans of the man about to see hell.
On the Old Kentucky Shore is about two lovers with one about to die
P.J.'s harmony to my melody brought them together in the sky.

Other memorable moments almost too many to confer
But lying on my bed one night this is what I heard.
Roger singing the blues like cutting through butter
Max and Robert Johnson a match like no other.
P.J.'s Funeral Lament, haunting and pure
Dani's voice soft and low in a spiritual so sure.

Allan's For Baby like a lullaby so soft
Jim's washtub bass adding the bottom to the loft.
Dick and his inimitable style long gone
Barry's song of struggle and the battles to be won.
Jeri's voice, which last year we barely heard
Now lifted soaring like a bird.

But the moment I will hold most dear was the night before going home
It was late, we were down to a few and chilled to the bone.
The lights were out and we were young girls gone back in time
We giggled not wanting to say goodnight not wanting to leave the rhyme.
And try as we might our eyes would not close
Until a low soft voice from the other room arose.

It was Barry and Mick with an Irish lullaby
Their voices like one as in a whisper and a sigh.
We quieted and snuggled down deep in our covers
Our eyes growing sleepy new dreams to discover.
We sailed the ocean on ships of long, long ago
Wild roses and brave Irish lovers our hearts to behold.

So, to close this great memory and lock it away
In that part of my heart in which it will stay.
Forever and a day still glowing through the years
Of the music, and the laughter, and the wondrous tears.
I came for the music as many of us do
But I stayed for the people, the many and the few.


24 Oct 00 - 07:13 PM (#326476)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Joe Offer

Well, the most memorable thing for me was the kid who sat on my lap and fell asleep after the campfire. He was such a sweet kid - until his diaper started leaking. Good thing I found a Wal-Mart and a new pair of jeans.
The music was wonderful, and so were the people.
-Joe, visiting Mudcat Central in Beautiful Downtown West Chester-
(it really is beautiful)

24 Oct 00 - 08:50 PM (#326585)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Barbara

Dani and all, I really like Lani's version, too, and that's the way I heard it first. I also happened to be the person who played Sharyn the tape of Lani and DADGBE performing it, and got to hear just exactly how Sharyn felt about the way the song had changed...BSEG
(Just so you don't think being a song editor for the SFFMC is ALL a bed of roses), we did eventually get a version in there that Sharyn approved of...eventually....

24 Oct 00 - 10:59 PM (#326647)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer


All I can say is Ditto! you put in words the feelings that (as an engineer) I have the inability to express.

Hope to see (or hear) EVERYONE before next year!!!!!


25 Oct 00 - 12:29 AM (#326699)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

Jen, your poem is wonderful. Thank you.

25 Oct 00 - 12:39 AM (#326706)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Nancy King

As a longtime FSGW member and Getaway-goer, I wasn't sure at first that I liked the idea of all these Mudcat folks taking over our Getaway. But of course it hasn't been like that at all, and it's been a pleasure to meet and hear such great folks and to have some new blood in the old gang. One of my few disappointments this year was that I couldn't stay for very much of the Mudcat session on Saturday morning, having promised Nan a while ago I'd be at her telephone songs workshop. That was fun--and we came up with a lot more songs than the last time we tried that topic--but I missed matching faces to a lot of the handles that have become familiar in the last few months of Mudcat-lurking. I did identify and meet a few more 'Catters over the course of the weekend, but not by any means all. Maybe Bill's pictures will help. And of course we'll do it all again next year! Other (all minor) disappointments: (a) Saturday lunch. Other meals were better, not great, but as Bill and Jenny have pointed out, the food was on time, with no long lines, and there was plenty of it. (b)I arrived and left in the dark, so I couldn't see what I imagine was probably a pretty drive between I-95 and Ramblewood. (c)There was no ballad skit this year--last year's was hilarious. (d) Nobody cleaned up my house while I was away for the weekend (I guess that's more of an unfulfilled fantasy than a disappointment...) As for highlights--it's hard to pick out just a few, but: (a) Being met in the parking lot upon arrival in the dark by a fellow with a flashlight, who pointed out how to get to the dining hall. Thanks, whoever you were! (b) Sitting outdoors on a fabulously beautiful afternoon talking about and singing harmony with Sandy and Caroline and a bunch of great singers; (c) Standing in the middle of one of the best dining-hall shanty-sings it's been my pleasure to participate in for quite some time; (d) Reclining poolside in a lounge chair while listening to some great music; (e) Being transported by Dick and Nancy's Mongolian chant--the whole room was vibrating! (f) Being fantastically proud of my son Ken Schatz, who has turned out to be one of the best singers I know. As one who has worked on Getaways years ago, I really appreciate all the work that went into it, from Dolores and Charlie spending much of 1999 canvassing all the camps in the Mid-Atlantic and coming up with a good one, to Rita putting together such a terrific program, to Jennifer handling all the registrations, to all the others who did so much to ensure that we all had a great time. Thanks! --Nancy

25 Oct 00 - 08:20 AM (#326852)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

Nancy, I have only not mentioned Ken because I couldn't find the right words yet.

You folks need to hear this boy sing. You just need to. I played his CD all the way home, and it doesn't even approach the power and feeling his singing has in real life. I love the stuff he does, and hope he's there next year so there are more opportunities to sing with him. You have also reinforced my feelings about bringing my kids to the next Getaway. KEN is what's supposed to happen when you soak kids with this stuff!

Also, I want it pointed out for the record that Moonjen and I were in SEPARATE showers. That ice cold water was just what I needed. I figured they put it there on purpose to keep alla us 'single' campers behaving!!


25 Oct 00 - 08:52 AM (#326880)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: bbelle

The showers were only BIG ENOUGH for one! And everytime "someone" breezed through the shower curtain would blow in and stick to your butt. But, hey, who was counting!


25 Oct 00 - 09:20 AM (#326896)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Tinker

Dani, I have to second all of the above. Ken made me think long and hard about bringing my kids next year. I can see my boys loving his stuff, and well, maybe we'll still let the teenage daughter stay home. I can't believe that the pile of Cd's I brought home doesn't have his... I really thought it did.HOW DO I FIX THIS MAJOR PROBLEM??? Nancy, the absolute joy Ken brings to his music is so contagious that you can't help but be pulled in ...
Found this quote while working today and it seems to apply to the whole weekend, but especially to Ken's style.
"Sing form the depths of your being, at the top of your voice. Clap your hands to the rhythm; stomp your feet to the beat. Let loose; throw away your inhibitions and your retraints. Let the pulse of the music become your pulse. Feel the resonance deep inside, and let your spirit and your soul soar to the greatest heights."Rabbi Wayne Dosick

I'm still soaring and drifting on the currents...From the Bench Chantey to Salacious Love from Giggles to Lullabyes there is a string of Joyousness woven through out
Thanks to Rita, and Jennifer and Charlie and all these others who made it happen.
The flashlight man who greeted me late Friday night as I drove in alone and was beginning to wonder just what I thought I was doing meeting strangers in a far dark wood..
To Moonjen for PM'S designed to make me feel that running off to meet strangers was really finding friends
To Jab and all the Catters, for all the concern and care, really, not singing solo did not mean fear on the contrary for the first time in years I got to watch and enjoy and learn with no demands, it was a great gift. And I did sing in the Blues Neighborhood .. all those bawdy blues need the female dialoge sometimes...Next year ...

25 Oct 00 - 11:10 AM (#326963)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer

Tinker: One of the joys of the Getaway was seeing the spark in people's eyes (both old and new) when the music connected with them. I really wish that I could have heard you during the Blues Workshop! After sitting next to you in some of the sing-a-rounds I know that you can sing. What about helping Joe teach us about the "Oral Tradition of Summer Camps" next year and teaching us some of your Girl Scout Camp songs and variations (or maybe just the song that your daughter brought home).:-)

To all the Girls:

Now we know that everyone sings their best in the shower (I think you even mentioned it once during the weekend). We've heard how good PJ's voice came through.

So how about a "Singing in the Shower" Concert/workshop next year ? We could line chairs up in the Front Room. The first half: Dani, PJ, and Moonjen. The second half: The Mudcat Gospel Choir of Dan, Mick, and Barry.

Of course, the workshop will also include a discussion of the proper water temp for best singing, warm up time and excersizes, and how to sing through shampoo and other hazards.

Can't wait :-)


25 Oct 00 - 01:04 PM (#327060)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Bill D

some of you know that Nancy Kink has another son, Dan, who is ALSO a fine musician! He plays guitar and autoharp and does a wide range of trad, "new folk" and some things he has written. Totally different direction than Ken, but also a good example of what being exposed to music all his life can do. In my earliest Getaways, 20++ years ago, I remember these 2 polite, quiet little kids playing in the corner while the grown-ups sang....turns out they were just absorbing it through the pores...waiting. Hope that Dan can make it to a Getaway again soon.

(And JAB...now that you have publicly made your shower songs suggestion, you KNOW that the word will be out!....I can see the crowd in the cabin now, singing along and praying for a good breeze....*BG*)

25 Oct 00 - 01:06 PM (#327062)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Tinker

As for the shower workshop I think perhaps Joe and I can play counselors and stand watch at the doorways....The carry over acoustics between the rooms are great.. The wall stops short of the rafters and "bounces" in beautifully. Perhaps Joe will lead Singing in the Rain (camp style)? How about Wetspers? I promise I'll be ready to sing next year.... ya won't be able to stop me.

25 Oct 00 - 01:07 PM (#327064)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Barbara

Jeri, or whoever else, here is Wallflower Waltz.

25 Oct 00 - 01:30 PM (#327083)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

Would you all help us out and check out the Getaway 2001 dates thread, OK? Charlie and Dolores Nichols and a bunch of volunteers tramped through miles of Web space and several very physical miles of camps to pick Ramblewood and it's a very nice place. Much the best available for the price.

But for next year, they only have TWO dates available and we need to know how many people already know they would have a problem with either or both of those dates.

Nuther thing. My son found out about a year ago that he too likes shantey singing, pub singing etc. He has been very active at the local Shantey Sings. At the Washington Folk Festival, there was a session called "Passing It On," about families where the kids are now singing folk music. We shared it with the families of Carly Gewirz, Dean and Sam Clemens, and Nancy King, Ken & Dan Schatz. Each family said the same thing: The kids picked up the music at the Getaways over the years. (Notice all these parents were at this year's Getaway!)

So it does make a difference if the kids come too. Especially if they are coming year after year, so it kind of gets under their skin that folk is not just music, it's a far-flung community and a way of life.

25 Oct 00 - 04:43 PM (#327194)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Tinker

I'm getting the kid connection, my 11 year old son got in the car asking "What's that?" and prepped for a battle I said Celtic Mouth Music. "No in the background." You mean the bodhran??It's a type of drum. "Cool sound." There isn't much higher praise at that age.
Pam, you'll be please to know the piece was Dance with your Shadow.
Maybe next year my horde can come as Day Trippers and be nearby. I've got to think on this one.

25 Oct 00 - 04:57 PM (#327203)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Bill D

*sigh*..Knowing Nancy 'King', she will eventually forgive me for my typo above...

25 Oct 00 - 05:11 PM (#327210)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Jed at Work

Are there plans for the mini-fest? I am working out dates for East by North East in Jan and Feb and would like to fit in the mini-fest if possible. Who will be booking it?

25 Oct 00 - 05:35 PM (#327241)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

This afternoon I'm tearing up carpets to the sounds of Ken Schatz and Allison Kelley, and my 10 yr old says to me, "Mom, you are just NOT going to believe this, but I really LIKE that stuff!"

Usually it's LeeAnn Rimes. It would be Britney Spears if I'd let it in the house. I'm impressed.


25 Oct 00 - 05:49 PM (#327258)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: bbelle

I'm working on my sis in Oregon to send my niece, Caitlin Grace who will be 12, out here so I can take her to the Getaway next year. This is starting to sound like a plan ... I don't know, though, the little girls are probably much more mature than the big girls. Oh, well, someone has to be, I guess.

25 Oct 00 - 06:51 PM (#327313)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Jeri

Re Ken Schatz - I heard him last year for the first time. The joy he sings with is infectious enough, but add a marvelous voice, sense of rhythm and choice of songs, and you have a singer to be reckoned with! I bought the CD too, and it greatly contributed to the destruction of my voice on the way home.

Rita, I'm glad to hear Mick did Rick's song. The only chance I got to sing or play with him was when he was practicing it and I "helped." (Well, he said I wasn't bothering him when I asked.) The song is a great one, and was perfect for that workshop.

Barbara, thanks a heap for posting Wallflower Waltz!

25 Oct 00 - 09:29 PM (#327451)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: MiriamKilmer

Tim and I, who froze at night this past weekend, are voting for Sept 14 for next year even though that makes it very close to Journey's End (Labor Day Weekend in PA).

I wonder how many folkies who attend - or might atend the Getaway are cookie-phobics who should be on Don and Dolores Nichols' "Getaway" mailing list?

25 Oct 00 - 10:27 PM (#327472)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Big Mick

Bonnie, I made it home today at about 6 PM. I never left the Mudcat gig until after midnight. Thank God for The Johnson Girls!! I know you have heard it all before, but that is one of the most enjoyable CD's I have purchased in a long while. And my 8 year old daughter, Ciara, is sitting in the living room listening to it now and telling my how much she likes it. I had better hide the damn thing or I will never see it again.

The Getaway...........just like fine wine.........better year after year. In fact, this was just flat out a joy, a blast, very cool, hip to the max. You cannot imagine the good feelings that are generated by this event. I will get the only criticism I am going to mention out first so I can get on with the superlatives. Where was the friggin heat??????? That gym got a little chilly at the concerts.

Sandy Paton taught me something. He gave me one of the most profound moments ever during the Songs of Struggle workshop. He will probably get pissed at me for giving this so much space, but I MUST offer up my observations on what transpired. As was mentioned above, Sondra did one of the most moving renditions of Phil Coulter's The Town I Loved So Well. For those that don't know the song, it tells of the sweet town of Derry, in the North of Ireland, and what the troubles have done to the town and its inhabitants. It is a moving song to say the least. I have probably sung it 250 or 300 times, and heard it sung another 500 or so times. I have never heard it done better, with more conviction, than Sondra did. It affected me deeply. When she finished, I turned to Sandy and asked him to do a song. As I did so, I realized how profoundly Sondra's rendition had affected him. I tried to move to someone else but Sandy went ahead and started singing My Old Man. As the song progressed, and started to tug at the strings, my friend was overcome momentarily by it all, sobbed, apologized, then (like the consumate pro that he is) finished it up. Think on it, my friends. In that one moment, he summed up for me his true love of the music. Can you imagine, a man who has spent his entire life collecting music, recording some of the greatest singers ever, has sung the most heart rending stuff a 1000 times, seen it all...............but still able to be touched to the deepest level by a wonderful rendition.......still listening to every word. I started thinking about my time with him and Caroline, and realized how very lucky I am and how God has blessed me with the friendship of these two. I was sitting with Sandy humming one thing or another, and he would tell me the version it reminded him of. The moment during the workshop, when Sandy showed me the depth of his love for our craft, he revealed himself for the true Bard that he is. Thanks, you old Folk Phogey.

Ya know, you meet up with your friends...one from Boston, one from NYC...........you only get to see them once a year or so.......drink a couple of jars of the vile black stuff......do a little Pointer Sisters style harmony and choreography to everything from Shantey's to Gospel to Yodeling, and right away everyone wants to criticize..........hmmmmmppppppppphhhhhh.

Dan went down and caught the only damn bass in the pond, so we went ahead and caught as many sunnies as we wanted. Let's go fishing for real some time, my friend. And I loved singing with you.

Hey Rick Fielding..........thanks for writing a wonderful song. It set my workshop up perfectly...........remind me to tell you sometime about the panic in the morning.

One of the funniest moments for me came when, after the fabled singaround............it was way after 1 AM, and we all came back to our quasicommunal cabin...........I still had a song or two left in me and I picked up the aul bodhran and quietly...........honest..........I started singing a song with it..........in comes Lani and asks me if I my big ass would prefer to die inside the cabin among friends or outside with the squirrels. I guess wanted to go to sleep..............LOL............my big ass put the bodhran away and climbed in bed. Then we listened to these maniacs in the next room giggling incessantly. Such good feelings..........camaraderie........These are such good friends...........I hope that all of you will try and find a way to this gathering next year. In fact I am beginning a year long, being a pain in the ass campaign right now...............YOU LISTENING, 'SPAW, YOU HORSES PATOOT.............to get you all there.

I am not going to mention specific Catters, as I would be afraid of missing someone, or hurting feelings. You know who you are, and you know how I feel about you, the hugs should be evidence of it. The only exception I will make is to Rita Ferrara, Bill Day, Charlie Baum, Jennifer and any others who worked so hard to pull this off. Rita, I am glad I did the workshops and the mini-concert. Thanks for cajoling me into it. You all are the best.


25 Oct 00 - 11:10 PM (#327508)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: IvanB

Wife and I just pulled into home about 9:30 tonight.

I attended Getaway as a day-tripper on Sat. and Sun., and, due to logistics, missed far too much of it. But I must say that I enjoyed every bit of my experience thoroughly. If I can make it next year, I'll definitely work things out so I can attend much more of the program, if not the whole weekend. Thanks, Charlie, Rita, Bill and all the other FSGW'ers that helped make the Getaway the success it was.

25 Oct 00 - 11:49 PM (#327528)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Charlie Baum

The person who needs a lot more thanking is this year's Getaway Chair, Dolores Nichols. She did a bang up job, did a hell of a lot more work than I did, and inspired the rest of us to do our parts.

Thanks, Dolores!

(Okay, she doesn't have a Mudcat handle, but I happen to know she's been known to lurk!)

--Charlie Baum

26 Oct 00 - 12:54 AM (#327561)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Nancy King

Bill -- You're forgiven. And thanks for the bouquets!

Tinker -- You can get Ken's CD through Folk-Legacy. It's called "The NexTradition." And I love your quote--that's just the way Ken and Alison sing!

Glad folks enjoy my kids' music--I sure do!

Cheers, Nancy

26 Oct 00 - 01:11 AM (#327569)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Nancy King

Bill -- You're forgiven. And thanks for the bouquets!

Tinker -- You can get Ken's CD through Folk-Legacy. It's called "The NexTradition." And I love your quote--that's just the way Ken and Alison sing!

Glad folks enjoy my kids' music--I sure do!

Cheers, Nancy

26 Oct 00 - 01:14 AM (#327571)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Nancy King

Sorry for the stutter. Hate it when that happens....

26 Oct 00 - 02:11 AM (#327596)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Sandy Paton

It was the Big Mick's workshop, pretty thoroughly described above, that was the weekend's highlight for me. You've already been told of Sondra Wallace's heartfelt offering of "The Town I Loved So Well," and how deeply it moved me. Add Rita's song of the exploited Italian rice field workers, Dani leading us all in "Deportees," Fred Stollnitz putting his RUS to good use by giving us all of the verses to "Solidarity Forever," and then... Let me tell you folks, Karen K sang a song she's had in her notebook since 1984 and had never sung for us. It was written by her students, with some help from her, of course, when she was teaching a bunch of young kids with emotional and behavioral problems. A song of the Underground Railway, with rain symbolizing slavery, sunshine representing freedom. Karen sang it wonderfully well, and we were able to join in, once we perceived the pattern of repetition. I was blown away! I've known Karen for over 30 years, and never heard her sing with more conviction and confidence.

Other workshops, other informal song circles, etc., were splendid, but the "Struggle" workshop led by Big Mick was, for me, what folk music is really all about.


26 Oct 00 - 03:36 AM (#327611)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Pauline L

As I read other people's memories, mainly of the music and the friends, the magic of the friendship at the Getaway wraps around me like a warm cape. Like many others, I drove into the camp and couldn't figure out where anything was. Dwayne (sp?) Thorpe got into my car with me to serve as guide. I said to him, "Do I really have to stick to the roads? I own some rural property and I'm used to driving through cow pastures, etc." Sheila gave us a very strange look as we drove by, and Dwayne said, "Oh well, let her wonder." She later explained that she was afraid that we were on a suicide mission, driving straight towards the pond. Oh shucks, I didn't even see the pond.

In keeping with years of tradition, I came to the Getaway in less than perfect health. I had an injured foot and could barely hobble along with my elegant walking stick, which had once been a tree branch with a vine wrapped around it. I stayed close to the dining hall area most of the time because I couldn't walk. I had to endure the disappointment of missing the Songs of Struggle. For me, the best part of the Getaway was getting so much help from so many people so happily, starting with Dwayne. At any hour of day or night, people were happy to walk with me over the "rough" ground and help me carry my fiddle. During the Saturday night concert, when I was lying on the floor with my foot elevated on a bench, trying to feel comfortable, Bruce Gewirz slipped a rolled up sweater (or something of that sort) under my foot to make me more comfortable. Later, I felt so good after one of his legendary massages. Several people helped me attempt to fix my fiddle. I was especially impressed with Don Nichols's collection of tools he carries around with him and his great skill in using them.

Ah, yes, the music. I particularly enjoyed Max Ochs's workshop on Mississippi John Hurt and Dick Greenhaus's playing on his new instrument (guitar with a steel resonator?) way late at night. My watch wasn't working, so the next day I asked Keith how late we had stayed up with Dick the night before, and he said, "Oh, about 3:30."

A whole weekend full of music, friends, and beautiful weather and scenery -- it just doesn't get much better than that.

This is the stuff that dreams are made of.


26 Oct 00 - 07:55 AM (#327652)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Big Mick

I was so tired last night when I wrote that, that I didn't get everything in. Thanks for filling in about Karen K's song, Sandy. What an amazing song!!! Written by students of Karens when she was teaching. I hope she posts the lyrics, but without hearing this talented lady sing it, you won't get the full measure of it. WELL DONE, MY DEAR FRIEND.


26 Oct 00 - 08:03 AM (#327658)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: annamill

It's hard to retain everything that I experienced last weekend, but reading this thread reminded me of so many. I had to leave songs of struggle before Sandy did "My Old Man" because Roger in Baltimore was in concert about half way through Big Micks workshop. I love Rogers blues. I got to hear Big Mick do Rick Fieldings 'Songs of Struggle",Rita's italian field song, Karen's kids song and Sondra doing The Town I Loved So Well. Everyone was so moving. The night and morning before Micks workshop I was privileged to be in the cabin while he learned the struggle song. What a pleasure to hear his voice as he perfected the song.

I enjoyed Ken Schatz as much this year as I did last year and I bought his CD. How wonderful this young man is to listen to. Nancy, you must be very proud. I have a son who is 24 yrs old, so I know how it is to be proud of a child. Your heart swells.

The Saturday night concert was wonderful and everyone was amazing. I especially loved Lani Hermann's "The Wallflower Waltz". I'm glad Charlie posted the lyrics. I loved Lanis version with the chorus.

Next year I'll bring MY fishing pole and bait. I had no idea there was fishing. Ida been there fersure.

You guys keep writing and I'll keep remembering...

Love, Annamill

I want to thank Charlie, Jennifer, Dolores, Rita

26 Oct 00 - 08:07 AM (#327660)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: voyager

FSGW Saturday Night - Live! Such a cavalcade of stars & musical virtuosity!

SETLIST REQUESTED - Charlie B. & I sketched from memory the tunes which were offered but have only a partial list. Did anyone keep track?

SHANTY SING - Dave's Wild Goose raised the rafters...RANZO Alabama Cherokee John - what a hoot! A Shanty about sailing 'Round the Horn' - what was it called?

And now a small tribute to this special entourage....


Fox was the only living man. There was no earth. The water was everywhere. "What shall I do," Fox asked himself. He began to sing in order to find out.

"I would like to meet somebody," he sang to the sky. Then he met Coyote.

"I thought I was going to meet someone," Fox said. "Where are you going?" Coyote asked.

"I've been wandering all over trying to find someone. I was worried there for a while".

"Well it's better for two people to go together... that's what they always say".

"OK. But what will we do?"

"I don't know".

"I got it! Let's try to make the world".

"And how are we going to do that?" Coyote asked.

"SING!" said Fox

voyager FSGW Ghetto

26 Oct 00 - 08:40 AM (#327672)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Tinker

Oh Jeri, Thanks for the waltz. You saved me from a bad case of sniffles, since my man with two confirmed left feet was far away and I was startin' to get a little teary. Maybe next year we'll get the guys to dance.

26 Oct 00 - 09:06 AM (#327683)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories

All warm and fuzzy reading this. Actually teared up and had a fellow worker ask if everything was OK. Then a sudden thought hit me:
If Joe had to go to K-mart to get a spare change of clothes, it must mean that he intended to wear what he had on for the whole weekend.

26 Oct 00 - 09:35 AM (#327705)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Jeri

Tinker - want to know a secret? I had no idea you were Tinker, or even a Mudcatter - I knew you were in the Mudcat cabin, but I never really had a chance to talk to you! (Plus I think I was partially brain dead for most of the weekend.) Folks, there were two perfectly good men (I don't want to point fingers, but Mick and Barry - if you read this, you know who you are.) who had their sorry butts firmly planted in chairs and refused - I mean REFUSED - to dance with us girls!! Can you believe it?!?!

Voyager, thanks for the story. That's what happens - we sing and create the world.

While we're heaping praise on Ken Schatz (who deserves it) his partner in NexTradition, Alison Kelley, matches him in talent and energy. Ali is also in the Johnson Girls.

The Johnson Girls' CD seemed to slip out without fanfare. Folks, if you like sea music and an incredible blend of strong, clear harmonies, you'll love their CD! (I think this one is rapidly becoming one of my favorites.) It probably deserves its own thread...

26 Oct 00 - 12:26 PM (#327829)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Big Mick

I was not sitting down when I refused to dance!!!!!!!! And I thought you and aul Tink was doin' just fine.

I agree completely on The Johnson Girls CD. In fact I started my first posting on the Getaway talking about it.

I didn't realize that Ken had a CD there, or I most certainly would have purchased it. I remember listening to him last year and being absolutely knocked out at the power and emotion he gets into his songs.

Can I order the CD through Sandy, Dick, or the Mudcat?


26 Oct 00 - 01:02 PM (#327848)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Sandy Paton

Yes, Mick. I suspect Dick has it, and I know I do. It ain't on our web site yet, but it's in the hands of our web guru. Johnson Girls CD will soon be up there, too.

Sandy at Folk-Legacy (see Mudcat links page)

26 Oct 00 - 01:15 PM (#327860)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GutBucketeer

Pictures and Tunes. Pictures and Tunes. Could someone please post some pictures and tunes!

Also, Tinker and Jeri

My foot should be better by next year. Can you put me first on your dance cards ?


26 Oct 00 - 01:41 PM (#327885)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

Charlie, thanks for the mention of Dolores. She was the one who set up registration and started allocating cabins when Jennifer was unavoidably detained with the registration materials; who learned that the camp was expecting all of us to leave on Sunday night, and talked them into giving us Monday morning; who got scolded when the rest of us left the metal chairs on the lawn in the dew overnight and left the dining hall in a mess on Friday. Good woman, has probably spent more time in her life doing FSGW volunteer work than I have singing.

26 Oct 00 - 01:51 PM (#327891)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Big Mick

Yeah, Jennifer is a special case and shame on me for not mentioning it. She was all over the place this weekend making sure all was taken care of. Great job, Jen!! It is a good thing you got them to let us stay until Monday, or I would have been out of luck.

Great job by all concerned.


26 Oct 00 - 01:51 PM (#327892)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Dani

We promise we don't mind knowing the rules and getting yelled at if we don't follow 'em. Let us help! It's easy if we know ahead of time what needs doing.

I know that organizing something like this is a labor of love, and I, for one, am very grateful.

Couldn't hurt next year to give us some guidelines for the guest rules along with our maps. I am sorry if they scolded Dolores, but I think they were wonderfully patient with the rest of us.

26 Oct 00 - 02:08 PM (#327907)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Charlie Baum

This being the first year we're at Ramblewood, it's okay that we didn't know the rules. The camp administration was very understanding--after all they didn't know our rules and habits either. It's an unusual group (like ours) that defines the weekend as still going on 10 hours after midnight on Sunday. And we'll know more about what we're expected to do next year, and make sure that we appoint responsible individuals to oversee things like cleaning up after the Friday evening potluck.

Thanks to everyone who helped out with duties impromptu--we'll probably have to be a little more formal about assigning responsibilities next year.

And we'll try to have more directional signs next year, to help strangers find their way to the dining hall and whatnot. In the process of each and every organizer having a week from hell the previous week, signs fell by the wayside. But I'm amazed that almost everyone still managed to find their way around a camp that was new and strange to almost everybody!

--Charlie Baum

27 Oct 00 - 11:12 AM (#328526)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

refresh for SW

27 Oct 00 - 01:56 PM (#328633)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: radriano

Would it be too early to start the "get Radriano to FSGW Getaway 2001 fund"?

Sounds like my kind of thing. Anyone see Carly Gewirz there?


27 Oct 00 - 03:00 PM (#328680)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: radriano

I spoke with Sharyn Dimmick this morning and she asked me to post the following:

Sharyn Dimmick, author of the Wallflower Waltz, is glad to hear you liked her song. She is not online yet. You can, however, hear her version of the song on her cassette "I Am Your Winter Lover." You can reach her at 510-524-0416 or at 669 Oberlin Avenue, Kensington, CA 94708-1005. Tape cost $11.50 via mail. A transcript of the Walflower Waltz also appears in the Sept/Oct issue of the Folknik.

27 Oct 00 - 09:56 PM (#328946)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Bill D

radriano...Carly was indeed there with her husband and son...perhaps only one day..(did you get any message from them before? I forwarded your message to them)

28 Oct 00 - 12:40 AM (#329019)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Barry Finn

I thought I took in at least a fair share of all that went on even by trying to only take in half of one workshop so's to be able to catch half of another but I can see that this FSGW thing needs to be stretched into a week long event. Dick & Susan & Max kicked off Sat morning it was a perfect touch to get to see new & old m'catters. The shanty session with a tide pool for a backdrop was a great splash, & RIB had a seriously soused drinking song session. PJ Swan's mouthing was nothing less than spectular music, it was a real treat to have hooked up with her. Then the Sat. evening concert was excellent, what a wide array of so much talent. Then on to the late night with it's catch all down home party style was blast & just when you'd (at least me) thought, whoa time for a bit of shut eye only to find the mudcat cabin alive, awake & jumping with folk1234, Allen, Jeri, Max, Moonjen, Dani, Tinker, PJ, JAB & RIB, so much for the shut eye. Time to wake up to a cold shower, no way, on a Sun morn. eat & then come back to some hot water just in time to start off another day in music heaven. Dan & Bonnie Milner were loaded & hunting for bear with the songs they were dog & with the way they were singing them. Then Lani was a knock out with voice, bow & fiddle. Then Big Mick's struggling songs was quite moving with all the emotions that were flying with Sandy's My Ol Man & Dani's Deportee & Karen's song & all the others that my danm memory won't recall. Dick Swain & Nancy as always were super & Moonjen put on quite the show with Big Mick doing a dany job of closing for her. Then time for another bite & off to another no less than the night before's concert to be followed by another no less the the night before's evening session. Looking back I can see I only made it to about 1/3rd of the worshops & still I was rooling in the clover with what I did catch. The informal singing though really the ice cream though, I can't begin to recall all that passed but Bill D has a great funny bone when it comes to songs & what Rita was singing you had to be there to really get the full impack, Judy Cook sung some ballad (danm if can't remember it, was to steal it so bad) that from start to finish had put my jaw on the floor then she goes & sings a Berryman song that had everyone else on the floor dying for more yoddles. Joe Offer could lead the angel Gabriel in choir. Geeze I've missed so many & it's all starting to blur, I'm ready to head back next week never mind next year. I guess the up side of having a lously memory is I'd never come down if I could remeber it all. My best to Rita, Jennifer, Dolores & Don, Charlie, Bill, Judy & Dennis & to the many others that made this happen, THANKS. Goodnite, Barry who'shumminghiswaytobed.

28 Oct 00 - 10:45 AM (#329182)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Jeri

One thing that was different between last year and this - last year I think we felt like very welcome guests. This year, there wasn't much of a distinction between "us" and "them." Folks knew each other from last year, and it was like meeting old friends whether Mudcatter or FSGW members or both. The Mudcat workshop was full of non-Mudcats (shall we call them "Guests"?) who are perhaps lurkers here or potential 'Catters. We ran out of time before everyone had a chance to do a song.

I really regret not having more of a chance to talk with folks, but there seemed to be no end to the singing, and I'm not complaining about that! I also regret running out of mini-disc space on Sat, having to leave on Sun before the concert and what sounds like the best singing session on Sun night.

Speaking of which, Ferrara, if the bench-moving shanty was the second silliest thing you've seen, what was the first?!

28 Oct 00 - 11:03 AM (#329185)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Allan C.

Pleasantly frustrating -- That's one way I could describe the Getaway. There were far too many wonderful musical events and a multitude of priceless interludes for any one person to attend. I wanted to be everywhere at once. In fact, there were times when I found myself in a state of stagnant indecision. I felt a bit like the mule who starved to death because it couldn't decide which of two bales of hay to eat first. At least once I decided to not decide instead I found myself trading songs with some other stragglers. That, too, was wonderful.

28 Oct 00 - 01:35 PM (#329231)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Big Mick

You know, it occurs to me as read all my friends comments here that some of the greatest moments spent were music related only in that music is what brought us together. The time I spent, brief though it was, fishing with Dan Milner is precious to me. There is something about quietly sharing a body of water with a friend, a couple of Yuenglings and a bunch of fish that cannot be described. Sitting at the table with Sandy while he talks about people he has known, songs he has sung, etc., is just too special to describe. The welcome hugs on Saturday morning from Kath Westra, Jeri, Jenny, Dani, Jennifer Woods, Bill D, Barry, Folk1234, Joe Offer, Max, Caroline and all were special. One of the best moments came for me when I found the young boy who didn't get a pennywhistle last year because I ran out. I let him have first pick this year from the load that I brought, and damned if he didn't pick out the best sounding one. Never mind how I know, I just do. And he told his Mom that he was happy I hadn't forgot. Special moment. Then the rest of those little folk gangsters just cleaned out that pile of whistles. Lot of fun.

Yep, this gathering is something very special. SPECIAL REQUEST FROM THE BIG MICK: As many of you as possible start to make plans now for next year. Sock a little away beginning now, and reserve some time off for this wonderful coming together of good people and great musicians and singers. You will never regret it.

Big Mick

28 Oct 00 - 04:12 PM (#329305)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: wysiwyg

Mick-- swing by for me next year. I'm in.


28 Oct 00 - 07:57 PM (#329400)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

You know, Jeri, when I threw out that line about the second silliest thing I ever saw at a Getaway, I was thinking about the year when Eric Cole led a guy named Davey Olive, with his cane and dark glasses, up the center aisle to the mike at the evening concert where he did two blues songs under the name of "Blind Harry Palms." (His usual pseudonym was "Blind Lemon Pledge."

But then Bill reminded me of the year when Dave Olive did one of his best songs, "You don't know me from Adam, but if you want to play the jukebox, Please Don't Play A-11," in the evening concert, **accompanied by Mark Gilston on the Bulgarian bagpipes.** Really. And it sounded good, too, or at least appropriate; you could imagine it was a dobro or something.

And then I reminded Bill of the time, in an evening concert, that Davey Olive played a blues version of "Barb'ry Allen," where I remember Sweet William sent his man into the town and when the man came to barb'ry allen's house to summon her, what he said was, "Git on down heah, bitch!"

So. So many pieces of silliness connected with David. He and his wife, Linda Lieberman, were killed in a car accident going home from the Getaway in I think 1994. (That doesn't seem right, but can't remember the year.) Lisa Null wrote a song for David, which Jennifer Woods sang at this Getaway. I wrote a song for Linda, which I sang last year. We loved them and we miss them. And when I think of sheer high spirits and crazy fun, Dave almost always comes to mind.

But we have other silly, silly memories. There was the year when -- but first, you have to know, that an authentic Bulgarian bagpipe such as Mark's, is made from a whole goatskin with pipes, etc., attached at strategic places. So, maybe it was Mark's birthday? one year, Kathy Westra and Jennifer Woods made him an elaborately quilted and patched shirt with the slogan, "Real Men Blow Dead Goats." Mark wore it at least once at this year's Getaway.

Here's another classic piece of Getaway evening concert silliness which I have heard mentioned on folk radio programs in far-off areas. Bill and I weren't at the Getaway that year. Before our time, dammit.

A singer got up to do a long, obscure and not too tuneful or exciting ballad. Worse, he hadn't thoroughly learned it. So he taped the very long lyrics sheet to the mike stand and started reading and singing the song. He had gotten through two or three verses when Nan Goland, in the front row, casually reached up with her cigarette lighter and set the bottom of the cheat sheet on fire. Not a sound from anybody but the singer til he got through another verse or two and suddenly realized his lyrics were on fire. The room - including the singer, I think - broke up. End of song. Beginning of legend.

Nan led the Telephone Songs workshop this year, by the way.

So. You guys can decide which was the silliest.

28 Oct 00 - 09:18 PM (#329430)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Sandy Paton

I've heard that last story, Ferrara, and always wondered who had the cigarette lighter and the cojones.

28 Oct 00 - 11:32 PM (#329520)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: tradman

Ah yes, The singer was Dick Rogers, and the song was an interminable ballad called "The Factor". Dick had sung about 6 verses or more when the great fire was lit... I might add that although everyone laughed and applauded at the time Dick was not amused.


29 Oct 00 - 12:03 AM (#329540)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Ferrara

Umm... Wasn't planning to name names, singerwise, because I suspected he was not amused though have never asked him about it....

Bill says even Nan and Paul aren't sure of the precise sequence of events but it did happen and they were definitely the chief suspects.

And it was silly, but maybe not as silly as Blind Harry Palms. By the way, Dave wrote and sang a blues song as Harry that had the classic lines, "I'm old, and I'm ugly, and I smells SO bad. But other than that, honey, I'm the best thing you've ever had."

30 Oct 00 - 04:14 PM (#330571)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Nancy King

Nan still claims that as her finest hour...

07 Nov 00 - 12:16 AM (#335757)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: MiriamKilmer

Rita gave me permission to post my photo of her with her Zither. It's here, unadorned until I get time to make a proper page: http://angelfire.com/folk/kilmer/folkies/Rita.jpg


07 Nov 00 - 02:05 PM (#336110)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: MiriamKilmer


There's the proper page. Bookmark it. I hope to post a few more pictures soon; I'll let you know when it's updated. Or y'all can bug me in a few days:


07 Nov 00 - 09:33 PM (#336359)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Liam's Brother

Nice picture, Miriam! Nice picture, Rita!

09 Nov 00 - 02:26 PM (#337253)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: MiriamKilmer

Thanks, Liam's Brother. For those of you who need blue clickies: Rita and her Zither

13 Oct 02 - 06:43 PM (#802500)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Sharyn Dimmick, sharyn@usisp.com


Sharyn Dimmick here, author of "Wallflower Waltz," "Morning Shanty," etc. I am online now and can be reached via email at sharyn@usisp.com.

Thank you.

13 Oct 02 - 06:59 PM (#802508)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Sharyn Dimmick, sharyn@usisp.com

Dear Dani, whoever you are,

While you are entitled to your opinion regarding Lani Herrmann's arrangement of my song "Wallflower Waltz," I did write the song, and I do not wish it to be performed with a chorus -- to my mind this greatly diminishes the emotional power of the song, trivializes it, and subverts the story. I would encourage you to listen to it "my" way.


Sharyn Dimmick

13 Oct 02 - 09:49 PM (#802555)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Big Mick

Dear Sharyn whoever you are,

Once you write it and publish it, it is up to the singer to interpret it any way they choose to. While you are entitled to your opinion as to how it should be sung, the performer is entitled to sing it as they hear it. I don't know you, you may be a very fine person. But I do know Dani, and she is absolutely a fine person. I also was present when Lani sang the song and I must tell you that she did it wonderfully and gave the song all the respect it deserved. Quite frankly, her interpretation was one of the highlights of the evening.

I would be happy to hear your rendition if you let me know where to purchase it. Hopefully it will be done as well as Lani's version.


14 Oct 02 - 12:37 AM (#802603)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: Genie

Lovely picture of you and your zither, Rita!


14 Oct 02 - 08:17 AM (#802705)
Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2000 Memories
From: GUEST,Dani

A blast from the past!

I'd love to hear the way you like it to sound. How?