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18 Mar 00 - 02:51 PM (#197279)
Subject: Against my better judgement....
From: TerriM

of which I have almost none, I have promised a friend I would ask for your help. The sad story is that a very dear friend of ours is determined, in spite of our very best efforts to dissuade him,on learning to play the bagpipes. He has never played a note of music, in anger or otherwise, in his whole life ( which may be foreshortened by this rash decision)and hasn't a clue how to start. How should he begin? (And for those that say, he shouldn't, I am in full agreement!)

Terri ( who is making earplugs as we speak)


18 Mar 00 - 02:56 PM (#197281)
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From: McGrath of Harlow

Find a field. And get a chanter.


18 Mar 00 - 02:56 PM (#197282)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

Try to convince him that a nose flute is the latest thing in bagpipes.

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 02:58 PM (#197284)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

Or tell him that you'll cut off his bag and no one will ever chant his pipe again if he persists in this notion.

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 03:06 PM (#197287)
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From: katlaughing

You are in rare form today Spaw. I am LMAO!

Terri, I bought a cheap chanter with a book too for my niece and she has had a blast with it.

While we are on the subject, sorta, does anyone know how difficult it is to learn the uillean pipes? And, how much pressure does it take to operate the bag o'wind? (kat plays straightwomon to Spaw's cutup**BG**). I really would liek to know.

Thanks, oh, and Terri, tell yer friend he can come ta my house anytime to practise. I love the sound of pipes!

kat


18 Mar 00 - 03:09 PM (#197289)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: TerriM

Actually, he tells me no one has chanted his pipe for a long time so I guess he feels he has nothing to lose! (maybe if I fixed him up with a date...what do you think?) What, in the name of all that is sacred, is a chanter and where does one obtain such a thing, always supposing it's legal to do so?


18 Mar 00 - 03:18 PM (#197292)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: katlaughing

It's the mouthpiece wot fits onto the bag, as I understand it. Spaw's analogy was not that far off. Anyway, here is a link to a page which has pictures and a description of what they are and what to do with them.**BG**


18 Mar 00 - 03:22 PM (#197294)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Jon Freeman

Well I adire him and hope he succedes.

Jon


18 Mar 00 - 03:31 PM (#197298)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: wildlone

I once on a whim bought a practise set of uillean pipes,
I tried hard but could not get on with them in the end I offered them to a music shop who offered me a deal at £150, as I got them for £35 I sold.


18 Mar 00 - 03:33 PM (#197300)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

So.....Leaving kat's alone (which is difficult) and against my better judgement.............

CLICK HERE (Lark in the Morning)

Scroll down about halfway and you'll see practice chanters and even a start up kit for under $40. US. A chanter is the fingering pipe and you can blow through one to practice.......GEEZIZ, Talk about straight lines!!! Anyway..........

Also note the "Electronic Bagpipes" up toward the top of the page...................oy.................

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 03:36 PM (#197302)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Lonesome EJ

Wasn't it Samuel Johnson who described the bagpipes this way: "Thank God there is no odor." Not me... I love the sound of pipes.


18 Mar 00 - 03:41 PM (#197303)
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From: fulurum

a friend of mine never played an instument in jhis life. a few years back he decided to learn the pipes. he took lessons and practiced,practiced, practiced. when he felt he was good enough, he went to scotland for a couple of weeks and took some more lessons. came back and after even more practice, formed our local pipe band. they took third place in last years nyc st. patricks parade. good thing every around here supported him. we now have an awesome pipe band.


18 Mar 00 - 03:41 PM (#197304)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

I don't remember who said it Leej, its come up here before.............but I doubt they ever got a whiff of the bag after its been used by a piper stoked up on haggis.

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 04:13 PM (#197318)
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From: Dave Swan

All right youse wise guys, keep it up and I'll never play for you. That'll fix ya.

Terri M,

Is your friend set on Highland pipes? While the sound is haunting and loud, will all respect due them, they are limited. Who else plays in Bb?

A practice chanter is a good way to start. Catspaw's inevitable reaction aside, I've got an electric practice chanter which I really lilke. It's quite portable, fingers pretty realistically, and can be played through headphones, thereby reducing mileage on the wife and cats.

Other than Great Highland Pipes, they are some interesting ways to go. You've noted Uillean pipes which often play in G or F and produce a lovely, lyrical sound. They're bellows blown, adding another element to their operation which can be good or bad, depending on one's wind and/or upper body strength. Uilen pipes play at fairly high pressure, so they can be a handful (or armpit full). They can be hard to find in the states, and pretty costly, especially for a full set with keyed drones.

Northumbrian pipes are far and away my favorite. They have a sweet, liquid tone and play only about as loudly as a fiddle. Their bellows blown low pressure (about 16" of water) makes it easy to sound them. The definitive tutor on Northumbrian pipes is written by a guy in Texas named John Liestman, it's well worth a look at his website. I've got a set of Liestman pipes I'm learning to play and I'm having a great time. Nothrumbrian drones(up to four on a set) can be shut off so that you're playing only the chanter, a nice feature for practice. Northumbrian smallpipes are often found in F or G, sometimes D.

A great beginnner's pipe is the mouth blown Liecestershire small pipe. Single drone, medium sized bag and it's quiet. Mine have as split stock for a D or G chanter.

Allow me to recommed these men, all of them are listed in search engines, are friendly and responsive and have very informative websites. John Liestman for Northumbrian pipes and links; Philip Gruar for Northumbrian pipes; David Marshall at Ancestral Instruments for historical pipes and strings with sound samples; Ray Sloan for Uillean pipes, Scottish smallpipes amd flutes with sound samples; Julian Goodacre for English pipes and recordings.

Good luck to your friend. It's a great adventure. Pay no attention to the wiseasses behind the curtain.

E.S.


18 Mar 00 - 04:17 PM (#197321)
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From: Dave (the ancient mariner)

Great! I love Black Bear played on the pipes. Mbo can send him the music. Yours,Aye. Dave


18 Mar 00 - 04:21 PM (#197323)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: kendall

I believe it was Oscar Wilde who said,"Thank God, there's no odor." An old wag in Rockport Maine described the bag pipes as.. sounding like someone gathered up a dog fight, and threw it into a pig pen.


18 Mar 00 - 04:23 PM (#197327)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Dave Swan

All right, all right.

You know why Highland pipers march?.......

To get away from the sound.


18 Mar 00 - 04:28 PM (#197330)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: GUEST,hollowfox

Anna Russell's recordings are being re-released on CD (Columbia, I think). Besides her masterwork of reducing Wagner's entire Ring Cycle down to twenty minutes (accurate in every detail, and hilarious, of course), she also did a piece on how to play the bagpipes. She did, in fact learn to do so for her performances, with the help of the encyclopedia Brittanica and a very suspicious teacher.


18 Mar 00 - 04:35 PM (#197339)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

Kendall is probably the "Old Wag" who said it.

Y'all need to understand Kendall. After being cleared on a technicality of that serial streaking of bodegas in the South Bronx, he was unsuccessful in clearing up his sinusitis by crapping size 13 Bass weejuns and has now started a new treatment which involves devouring one backup light from a '58 Edsel every third meal. Keep us posted Kendall.

Good info El Swanno......I had a site bookmarked on Uillean and Northumbrian pipes, but I seem to have erased it for some reason. If I retrieve it, I'll post it. And I can see how the tone would be liquid if you're using 16" of water to play them. Do they have a spit valve?

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 04:44 PM (#197342)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Dave Swan

No, you Buckeye bogtrotter. Spit valve indeed. Just what I'd expect from a state where tobacco is a food group. It's very wet in Northumbria, see, and these pipes are meant to be played under water. It's sort of a snorkel effect designed to get one to the pub in the worst of weather so that one can get to that critical pint which allows to one to deaden his senses enough to believe that he's actually making a pleasant sound. Got that straight?

E.S.


18 Mar 00 - 04:48 PM (#197346)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Linda Kelly

I sat next to a bagpipe player in a pub session quite recently-frankly, when he started to play I feared for my life!


18 Mar 00 - 04:51 PM (#197349)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

Aren't you lucky it was Highland Pipes though Ickle? If it had been Northumbrian you would not only have feared the pipes, but also shark attack.

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 07:31 PM (#197405)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Banjer

I too must admit to loving the sound of the pipes. I have been known to travel quite some distance to go see the Blackwatch when the were still on tour. A set of pipes is a wonderful thing as long as the piper plays somethng he knows....I could probably never get up nerve enough to play the pipes....(If I were going to blow a pig it certainly wouldn't be in public) Some local pipers(?) I have heard have been told that it would die quicker if stabbed with a knife as opposed to squeezing it to death!


18 Mar 00 - 07:38 PM (#197407)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: kendall

Someone (not me spaw) once said that both the pipes and the kilts were given to the Scots by the Irish, and they havn't seen the joke yet!!


18 Mar 00 - 07:47 PM (#197415)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

And if you want something to conjure on Kendall....Think about Banj in a kilt..................ooooooooo.......gives me the shivvers just thinkin' on it................

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 07:51 PM (#197418)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: bob schwarer

A new bagpiper. May his tribe increase.

Bob S.


18 Mar 00 - 08:55 PM (#197435)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: rangeroger

TerriM:
Your friend should get together with a banjo player and an accordianist to practice.They could probably be a hit as a trio.
rr


18 Mar 00 - 09:22 PM (#197445)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

Obviously rangeroger needs to proofread for typos. The last line SHOULD read:

"They could probably be hit as a trio." .....not "be a hit."

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 09:26 PM (#197448)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Mbo

YES PIPES! PIPES RULE!!!!! I myself am learning the practice chanter...hoping to get up to the Highland Pipes one day! YEAH! Limited yes, but you'd be amazing how many songs are simple enough to play on it. "Penny Lane" by the Beatles is a special favorite of mine, as is William Jackson's "Gardyne Castle." Cheers to the new pipers, may we all gain the respect we deserve!

--Mbo


18 Mar 00 - 09:32 PM (#197452)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Ebbie

LOL!


18 Mar 00 - 09:34 PM (#197454)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

There ya' go.........Meebo is an aspiring piper!!!

Kinda' says it all doesn't it?

Spaw


18 Mar 00 - 10:40 PM (#197482)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: GUEST,anonymous

I'd like to hear someone do The Flight of the Bumblebee on pipes.


18 Mar 00 - 11:57 PM (#197508)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: alison

a friend and I played duelling banjos (well at least the start of it) on uilleann pipes at a Christmas party.... the crowd loved it, bad as it was......

Uilleann pipes are difficult to play, it takes a lot of practice to make them sound more tuneful than a duck being strangled......

Having said that...... they have a lovely tone. Highland small pipes have a nice tone too, and are played similar to the uilleanns. I'm hoping to pick up a set of highland pipes when I go home later this year..... that'll really give the band something to complain about!!

slainte

alison


19 Mar 00 - 02:26 AM (#197559)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Escamillo

Just a thought.. I remember the fascination that pipes had on me when I was a child (last century ?). A Scottish family of neighbors used to practice in the front yard of their house some times, traditionally dressed, father and 4 sons in a row, including percussion, it was so impressive ! And rather exotic too, in a South American big city, but later I learnt that a large community of people from the islands reached and stayed in our coasts through history, since the British Invasions of 1806.
How outstanding were the pipe bands in any military parade in movies and TV ! Just hearing their sound from very far, brought such a special excitement ! Many years later came the war of the Falklands/Malvinas, and everything British was presented to us a synonimous of death and abuse. By that time, me and my friends were a little older, and had learnt to differentiate patriotism from bullshit, but the argentine teenagers killed in the islands and in the seas were real.. then that phenomenal music inspired mixed emotions of fear and admiration that keep going on many of us when we hear the pipes.
I think Terri's friend has made a good choice, after all.

Un abrazo - Andrés

PS Joke: DO you know why the Galitian (from Galizia, Spain) pipes sound much less brilliant and loud than the Scottish and British ? Because the Galitians blow into the wrong tube.


19 Mar 00 - 02:52 AM (#197565)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: BlueJay

Now I know nothing about bagpipes, except that my childhood piano teacher's husband, (Roy Hess), played them quite well. He ended up, (for a time), as our Superintendant of Schools. As for the argument that a novice bagpipe player should be assigned to a large field: could not the same be said of a novice violinist? The world must suffer much in order to support new musicians.


19 Mar 00 - 03:02 AM (#197568)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: rangeroger

Escamillo: That last sounds a lot like Spaw and Cleigh.
Also,have you heard of a group from Argentina called "Refusilo"? They posted to the message board for Strawberry Music Festival,wanting to play the festival.
rr


19 Mar 00 - 04:45 AM (#197593)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Escamillo

RR, I don't know them but I could investigate. I would be much surprised if they play bagpipes or any traditional instruments at all, (their name translates to "thunderlight") but will try to find out.

> ...: That last sounds a lot like Spaw and Cleigh.
is it true that they produce sound ?.. oh, I would like to hear it.:))
Un abrazo - Andrés


19 Mar 00 - 04:57 AM (#197595)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Sorcha

I would suppose that they do produce sound, but is is accompanied by smell. Flautulence does not have great tonal qualities.


19 Mar 00 - 05:58 AM (#197605)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Micca

Sorcha, haven't you ever heard of "Le Petomane"? he was a celebrated windbreaker in France at the turn of the century, performed in music halls, and could fart the Marsellaise!!!!!! worth looking up (in a manner of speaking!!!!!)BTW TerriM , make sure he doesnt learn "The Road to the Isles",or the Far Coolins will be taking him away.


19 Mar 00 - 06:45 AM (#197612)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: TerriM

I still think I would be better setting him up with a girlfriend particularly as I just know he's aspiring to play spice girl songs on the pipes and I refuse to believe there is a living being out there who would welcome that experience!None the less I will look out the pages noted and hand them over to him and may the Goddess have mercy on all our souls.


19 Mar 00 - 07:16 AM (#197614)
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From: Banjer

'Banj in a kilt'?? Careful 'Spaw, momma always said to mind what ya wish for cause it may come true...!


19 Mar 00 - 08:28 AM (#197622)
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From: Amos

Spice Girls on the bagpipes? Isn't that like dancing about architecture, a fish without a bicycle, or something?


19 Mar 00 - 11:11 AM (#197648)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Mbo

Spice Girls on the pipes! An interesting idea! I should try it! Hey, us loser guys will try ANYTHING to get girls to notice us! And just WAIT till I get my kilt!

--Mbo


19 Mar 00 - 11:45 AM (#197668)
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From: kendall

If I could figure out how to make a print out of a slide, I could send a picture of me in a kilt, tunic and the cap, I forget what its called, Glen Bernie or ben gary whatever. Now, that would be scary!!


19 Mar 00 - 06:21 PM (#197813)
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From: TerriM

Meebo, honey, I'll bet you're a wow in a kilt! In any case, you have to be better then Micca !


20 Mar 00 - 01:51 AM (#197953)
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From: Seamus Kennedy

Bagpipes, the missing link between music and noise. I always use a bagpiper or more in the studio on my recordings - that way I know they're not out on the street annoying innocent passersby. But no matter how good or bad a piper is, beginner or expert, he'll always be asked to play Amazing Grace. All the best. Seamus


20 Mar 00 - 01:55 AM (#197954)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: alison

It's a Glengarrie Kendall,

I've heard the Star Wars theme played on a set of Highland Pipes..... sounded great...

slainte

alison


20 Mar 00 - 10:18 AM (#198052)
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From: Mooh

Alison, would that have been Slainte Mhath? I happened to have caught their soundcheck before a gig on Saturday in Wingham Ontario, where part of the Star Wars theme was played. Sounded great, of course, as they can almost do no wrong, and it got its share of chuckles from the assembled crew and opening act. There's tons of non-traditional pipe-friendly tunes around. Mooh.


20 Mar 00 - 11:05 AM (#198071)
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From: Big Mick

The nice thing about a kilt is that you have plenty of room for spuds.............

Big Mick, the aspiring Uillean Piper


20 Mar 00 - 12:40 PM (#198123)
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From: Bill D

Micca, that Frenchman was a piker...have you not heard of the famous Farter from Sparta (multi-verse limerick, sung to YOUR favorite limerick tune) ..I actually did this a few years ago at a sing,..'blew 'em away', so's to speak....


20 Mar 00 - 06:02 PM (#198265)
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From: Micca

Bill D, yes I know that of which you speak but need much flavoured ethanol poured in to remember all of it!!! as for TerriM," Et tu, brute"???? i look splendid in my kilt and it is good for a quick application of Savlon!!!!


20 Mar 00 - 06:09 PM (#198270)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Mbo

I look better than Micca? Weee!

--Mbo


20 Mar 00 - 06:10 PM (#198271)
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From: Liz the Squeak

TerriM - I trust that this acquaintance is not one that I know as well?

We have a set of French bagpipes here (bellows, pink bag and faint aroma of garlic) which I'm dying to get rid off, if you want, in exchange for the guinness tie back again.....

And the chanter is the bit you blow in, stuck to the bit with the holes in, minus the bag and the dead octopus bits tied up with ribbon. Much quieter and better for learning the tunes - learning to control the bag is a lot harder and should only be attempted whilst wearing suitable surgical appliances.

LTS


20 Mar 00 - 06:12 PM (#198272)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Liz the Squeak

Mbo - looking better than Micca in a kilt is not really difficult, especially when worn with the wine stained shirt and the dodgy sporran......

(sorry!)

LTS


20 Mar 00 - 06:18 PM (#198275)
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From: Clinton Hammond2

I haven't read the thread, but I can offer this... Some chums of mine have invented an electronic chanter that makes a great practice tool (sounds like crap in their live show though)... might be a good place to start so as to learn the fingering without having to bust a gut huffing on a chanter or deaffining the neighbours.. The are also cheaper than a set of highland pipes...

Send email or personal message if interested and I can try to get you in touch with them...

{~`


20 Mar 00 - 07:00 PM (#198299)
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From: catspaw49

Well, there are certainly some "kilt" images to conjure on this thread.......Micca, Banj, Meebo, El Swanno, Mick (with spuds), Kendall.................geez..................and here I was about to eat supper.

Spaw


20 Mar 00 - 07:11 PM (#198308)
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From: Banjer

I'll have to find a long kilt so as my spuds don't hang out the bottom!!


20 Mar 00 - 07:18 PM (#198310)
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From: Homeless

I once heard a story about a fella with a prosthetic member, in a kilt, and spuds, but I'm not sure this is the right place to go into that...


20 Mar 00 - 07:22 PM (#198313)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: catspaw49

That'd be Banj huh Homeless?

Spaw


20 Mar 00 - 07:24 PM (#198316)
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From: Mbo

Yes, the Highland Five! And you know what Spaw? We're all beginning pipe players...and we like to have GROUP PRACTICE! Is CLETUS' room empty this week? We need a place to jam, man!

--Mbo


20 Mar 00 - 07:26 PM (#198317)
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From: Homeless

Spaw - Not quite. Actually, I'm kinda surprised you don't know the story I'm referring too.
Like I said, I'm not sure this is the place to relate it, but the thread title is kinda provoking...


21 Mar 00 - 01:39 AM (#198497)
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From: BlueJay

So much derogatory stuff about the bagpipes, it makes me wonder. If there were suddenly no other musical instruments, would you all let music DIE, or takeup the pipes? I know what I'd do. Probably quit smoking.


21 Mar 00 - 01:35 PM (#198751)
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From: GUEST,Jim Dixon

Isn't the fingering for a bagpipe chanter the same as the fingering for a tin whistle? If so, the time spent learning to play the whistle wouldn't be wasted if you later take up the bagpipes. And, of course, whistles are much cheaper, quieter, easier, more easily portable, and fit in better with a wide range of other instruments and styles of music.

Terri, if there's any chance at all that your friend will take your advice, I would try to steer him toward the whistle. You could even buy him one. You could tell him that all the great bagpipe players started out on the whistle (which probably isn't true, but it's a forgivable lie, IMHO).


21 Mar 00 - 03:08 PM (#198801)
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From: GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner)

Reminds me of the two ladies who came across a drunken piper lying by the side of the road. These two English ladies wanted to know the truth about the Scots not wearing anything under their kilts, so they lifted up the kilt and found out the truth. Laughing about the situation they wanted the piper to know that he had been checked over, so one tied a blue ribbon around his privates. When the piper awoke he looked down and was heard to say.. " I dinna ken where ye've been laddie, but I'm reet glad tay see ye won first prize" Yours, Aye. Dave


21 Mar 00 - 03:22 PM (#198805)
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From: Homeless

I believe that tin whistle and bagpipes have different fingering. I had a friend that was bent on learning to play and was showing me his chanter one day. I picked it up and tried to play a scale expecting it to be the same as tin whistle, but was informed I had the fingerings wrong. What he showed me as being the correct fingerings had some of the bottom holes covered while leaving the upper holes open.


21 Mar 00 - 03:53 PM (#198822)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: TerriM

I've already, and in vain, tried to persuade him toward the tin whistle or the recorder or anything damn thing really but he is convinced he'd make a great piper and he has the knees to prove it ( dunno about the spuds, though, should I ask do you think?).Loved the joke about the drunk piper... the only time I ever got to see up a piper's kilt ( long story, won't bore you with it now) he was wearing army drawers ( cellular,soldiers, for the use of) which was a sad and bitter blow! Liz, the guy is Kevin who was at my 40th birthday party, but then so was everyone else so I don't know if you met him.


21 Mar 00 - 04:56 PM (#198843)
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From: Mbo

No, tine whistle only have 6 holes, but have 2 octaves. Pipes have 9 holes I believe (yeaI play, but who remembers these thing?) and only has one note over an octave.

--Mbo (Pipers DO have more fun!)


21 Mar 00 - 06:33 PM (#198901)
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From: GUEST,Jim Dixon

THE SCOTSMAN'S KILT is also a song and it's in DigiTrad.


21 Mar 00 - 06:34 PM (#198903)
Subject: RE: BS: Against my better judgement....
From: Mbo

Ok ok...the Highland pipes have seven finger holes and a thumb hole.

--Mbo