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Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays

05 Jun 20 - 06:01 AM (#4057406)
Subject: Mudcat online singaround?
From: GUEST,Chris Lamb

Link posted Mondays for the week's Mudcat Worldwide Song Circle


Topic: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - open for cocktails and conversation half an hour earlier Time: August 3, 2020 12:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
8 PM London, 3 PM New York, Noon Los Angeles, 5 AM Tuesday in Sydney.


Back in March, on a thread that's now closed, Joe Offer said: "And I think it would be really nice if we could have a weekly Mudcat singaround online."
Was this suggestion taken up? It would be great to put a face and a voice to some of the regular Mudcatters and to hear them sing, on Zoom, perhaps. I'd love to hear Jim Carroll sing again, for example, as I haven't heard him or Pat McKenzie sing since Critics Group days.

The many singarounds that have sprung up since lockdown started have brought together some fine singers from across the seas and enabled us to hear those we would never have been able to listen to in normal times.
Can the Mudcat community respond to this opportunity?


05 Jun 20 - 11:28 AM (#4057485)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Waddon Pete

Now there's an idea!


06 Jun 20 - 02:06 PM (#4057711)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Go for it!

Regards


06 Jun 20 - 03:53 PM (#4057742)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Sarah the flute

That sounds good to me
Nothing much else on a Monday and 9pm start is good

Sarah


06 Jun 20 - 07:31 PM (#4057772)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Noreen

I’m up for it too, 9pm Mondays is good for me, and Zoom works well.

Are you up for organising it Joe? ??


06 Jun 20 - 08:38 PM (#4057778)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Joe Offer

Okey-dokey. I think we have a minyan. Well, it's supposed to be 10 adult, circumcised males, but we'll make do with what we've got.

Monday at 8 PM London time. That's Noon here in California, 3 PM at Mudcat Central in Pennsylvania, and 5 AM in Sydney.



I'll host. I'll post the link to the Zoom session here in this thread just one hour before we begin, and I'll open hp half an hour early at 8:30 PM for cocktails and conversation. There will be a waiting room, and I reserve the right to reject people I don't recognize - so please use your Mudcat names. Sorry.

This should be fun!

-Joe-


06 Jun 20 - 11:24 PM (#4057792)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Joe Offer

Looking for a co-host with Zoom experience. Contact me privately.
-Joe-


07 Jun 20 - 03:42 AM (#4057817)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: GUEST,SteveT

Is this for signed up Mudcat members only or can 'Guests' (using usual Mudcat Guest sign-in names) also listen in?
Steve, if you'd like to be on the email list, email me, joe@mudcat.org


07 Jun 20 - 04:35 AM (#4057823)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Joe Offer

I don't expect to be particularly restrictive, Steve. Just use the name you usually use at Mudcat.
-Joe-


07 Jun 20 - 06:22 AM (#4057848)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Joe Offer

When you enter Zoom, you will usually be give the opportunity to give the name you want to be known by for the session. If you have not used Zoom since June 1, you may be asked to update to the new, encrypted Version 5 of Zoom. It seems to be quite stable, so just OK the download and there you go - good reason to show up early, though.

I'm looking forward to this.

-Joe-


07 Jun 20 - 09:03 AM (#4057878)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Mrrzy

What time Mudcat time, just to be precise?

Monday at 8 PM London time. That's Noon here in California, 3 PM at Mudcat Central in Pennsylvania, and 5 AM in Sydney.



07 Jun 20 - 12:16 PM (#4057913)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: GUEST,Ed

Joe,

I well remember the Hearme/PalTalk sessions of many moons ago.

I was never a contributor but very much enjoyed listening in.

I've not investigated or installed Zoom as yet, but would it be OK with you and the others if I tuned in passively?

Ed Pellow


Sure. Ed. When it's your turn, just say you want to pass.
-Joe-


07 Jun 20 - 04:07 PM (#4057961)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: open mike

Yes...I admit I do not even know what day it is anymore....          I thought it was monday already! Luckily, for once I am actually early instead of late! see you toorrow!


07 Jun 20 - 08:14 PM (#4058032)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: GUEST,Susanne (skw)

This is great! I'll try to join at my local (Kiel) time of 10 PM. Not sure my camera is working, though. Would I still be allowed in, Joe?


07 Jun 20 - 11:20 PM (#4058049)
Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Mrrzy

So 3, mudcat time?

Monday at 8 PM London time. That's Noon here in California, 3 PM at Mudcat Central in Pennsylvania, and 5 AM in Sydney.

We'll go for about 4 hours, hopefully twice around the group. Zoom is a memory hog, and I start losing bandwidth toward the end of 4 hours.

-Joe-


08 Jun 20 - 04:28 AM (#4058074)
Subject: RE: Mudcat worldwide singaround Monday 9 PM London
From: Noreen

Ha ha! That was meant to be a smiley face :-) not two question marks.
I am not finding fault.


08 Jun 20 - 02:46 PM (#4058199)
Subject: RE: Mudcat worldwide singaround Monday 9 PM London
From: Joe Offer

OK, everybody. Here's the invitation. Doors are open for cocktails and conversation. Y'all Come!!

Join Zoom Meeting
New link posted here Monday, one hour before opening.


08 Jun 20 - 07:31 PM (#4058243)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Monday NOW!!!~!!!
From: leeneia

I need to correct something I said at cocktail time. I said the Tiger Rag was written in Tulsa about Twelfth and Vine. No, it was the Twelfth Street Rag.

In Kansas City the jazz district "museum" is at 18th and Vine.


08 Jun 20 - 07:37 PM (#4058244)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Monday NOW!!!~!!!
From: leeneia

Twelfth Street Rag with notes

such fun


08 Jun 20 - 08:00 PM (#4058254)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Monday NOW!!!~!!!
From: Joe Offer

All over after 4 hours of singing, and it was lovely. I will keep hosting a singaround on Mondays, but I will move it to 8 PM London time. Noreen did a splendid job as co-host, by the way.

Anybody want to host a second Mudcat sing on another day, maybe Thursday?

-Joe-


09 Jun 20 - 12:20 AM (#4058282)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM
From: Joe Offer

This was absolutely what Mudcat is supposed to be. I can't believe how wonderful this gathering was. Hope to see you all again next Monday.

-Joe-


09 Jun 20 - 05:24 AM (#4058322)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: MoorleyMan

I'll echo that big-time, Joe, and thanks so much for getting it organised and so well steered. Great to meet so many fellow-Catters and share their songs. Already looking forward to next time.


09 Jun 20 - 06:35 AM (#4058345)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Richard Mellish

Thanks to all for organising the singaround. I chickened out after the first song of the second time around, because I've been trying to bring my waking/sleeping cycle a bit closer to the hours of daylight, though with limited success.

Whichever day of the week we choose is bound to be wrong for someone. I forget how many of us were there last night, but it was enough for once round to last the best part of three hours. So Joe's idea of Mondays and Thursdays should work, with more than enough singers/musicians each time, even if a lot of us don't join in every time.


09 Jun 20 - 07:48 AM (#4058369)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Sarah the flute

What a fantastic evening - managed to stay awake until the end but well worth it. Some great songs and unusual ones I had not heard before. It will definitely be a regular slot for me. Thanks so much for organising Joe. These Zoom sessions have been great for geting back to solo singing although I still miss my fellow band members in Morrigan.


09 Jun 20 - 08:34 AM (#4058379)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Well done!

Regards


09 Jun 20 - 09:11 AM (#4058384)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: voyager

Ditto (well done).


09 Jun 20 - 09:27 AM (#4058385)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: SPB-Cooperator

I'll try to get to this. If one wanted to get really ambitious, how about a 24 hour worldwide singathon on a later date, then that can take into account time-zones. Will the session be on Zoom Business (300 participants) as Zoom pro is limited to 100.


09 Jun 20 - 09:40 AM (#4058386)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Shogun

Hi All
Can Anybody send me link to zoom and some notice when it happens again?

Thanks


09 Jun 20 - 06:07 PM (#4058470)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Tattie Bogle

It was braw!


09 Jun 20 - 06:59 PM (#4058478)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Mrrzy

Moved my alarm for next week to an hour earlier. Looking for something French!


10 Jun 20 - 12:35 AM (#4058504)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer

I will post the link in this thread Monday, an hour before the gathering. I will also send links by personal message Sunday, to members who post in this thread. If you've pasted anything above, you'll get a pm from me Sunday. Sorry, I can't send personal messages to Guests, so you'll have to look here Monday for the link.
I will change the meeting ID every week for security purposes.
I can't handle anything that comes in Monday, because I'm teaching a Class Mondays and have just half an hour free after the class.
Looking forward to seeing you Monday.
Joe


10 Jun 20 - 02:13 AM (#4058513)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: GUEST,Gerry

If it starts 5AM Tuesday Sydney time (Monday elsewhere, but Tuesday here), and goes on for three or four hours, does that mean if I don't get up at 5 I'll still be able to join in partway through?


10 Jun 20 - 03:10 AM (#4058517)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer

You betcha, Gerry. We really need to have people from Australia and New Zealand to make this gathering truly worldwide. As people come in, I assign them a number and we sing in numerical order. I'm hoping we can go twice around the group, even if the singaround lasts six hours. This week, we went around twice and lasted 4 hours, but I'll do my best to make sure everybody gets a chance to sing at least once. There are so many Mudcatters that I want to hear.

There's a problem, though. Zoom is a memory hog. After about 3 hours, my computer gets a bit shaky and I really need to reboot. I had very bad service during the last hour of our session. I'm afraid to reboot, because I'm afraid I'll end the session and lose everybody. I'm wondering if I reassign the session to another host, if I can leave and reboot, and then rejoin the session.

I had Noreen as cohost and she is certainly competent to handle anything (as many of you know). Could I have made her host and handed off to her while I rebooted? I noticed that she was getting a bit unstable toward the end, but I wonder if she had rebooted and come back and taken over as host, if then I could reboot and come back.

Anybody know?

-Joe-


10 Jun 20 - 07:51 AM (#4058575)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Anne Lister

Just a quick note - for those there at the start on Monday and the mention of Friday 13th and the Templars - I've opened a different thread. It looks as if I'm the only one who's looked at it or contributed, so maybe my subject line isn't clear enough! I've called it "from the song circle - Friday 13th".
I'll try and join in again, but my stamina wouldn't be strong enough to cope with three hours on Zoom myself. I'll happily raise a glass to those who can!


10 Jun 20 - 11:52 AM (#4058613)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Herga Kitty

I'm usually in the virtual Herga club on Mondays and one of our local Dorset clubs on Thursdays, but it was good to put faces to names on Monday and I will try to look in to the Mudcat song sessions for a while - at least the time difference means I can join Mudcat after the England-based sessions finish, if I'm still awake enough!

Kitty


10 Jun 20 - 09:07 PM (#4058689)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Tattie Bogle

Regarding the re-boot question, Joe: a few weeks back, I was both host and quiz-mistress on our weekly family quiz when my computer suddenly froze! No cursor, nothing! I had to crash shutdown and re-boot, which took ages, then get back into Zoom - another eternity, it seemed. But when I finally got back in, everyone else was still there: they had been having a great chat in my absence.
So, it seems the meeting only terminates if/when you "end meeting": you can leave and come back even if you are the host.


11 Jun 20 - 03:33 AM (#4058733)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer

Just to clarify - I'm asking if somebody else might like to host a singaround on Thursday....


11 Jun 20 - 08:46 PM (#4058856)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: McGrath of Harlow

I'm not a frequent visitor these days, so I've only just seen this. Sounds great, and it's the kind of positive development I've been expecting to see happening with the lockdown that could maybe enrich our world when it's over.

But I haven't a clue to how this Zoom thing works. No, I don't mean the techie stuff, I don't need to know that any more than I do for my iPad or my TV. But, how do I set about using it. I've got the app loaded on my iPad, but it's just sitting there.

Someone point me where I can get up to speed, and join in. Or even just look in.

As Joe said up the thread: "This was absolutely what Mudcat is supposed to be. "


11 Jun 20 - 10:26 PM (#4058867)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer

Hi, Kevin - I'll post the link here on Monday, half an hour before we start at 8 PM London time. If you have a camera and a microphone on your computer or iPad, you're all set. Click the link, and Zoom will set itself up.
Zoom came out with an encrypted version within the last two weeks, and that should take care of most of the security problems people were worried about.
Hope to see you Monday!
-Joe-


12 Jun 20 - 04:09 AM (#4058894)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: My guru always said

It was wonderful to see & hear so many Catters on Monday, would love to be Zooming with you again. Thanks so much for organising it Joe, you made a great job of herding us Cats xx


12 Jun 20 - 10:37 AM (#4058941)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Mrrzy

Who sang the Favorite Things song?

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14 Jun 20 - 06:39 PM (#4059296)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: MoorleyMan

It was sung by Vikki (Yorkshire Yankee). It's one of her own excellent parodies.


15 Jun 20 - 10:45 AM (#4059314)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Mrrzy

Mwah. Also trying to save Zoom info offline in case Mudcat is down...


15 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM (#4059348)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Tattie Bogle

A couple of useful videos for anyone unfamiliar with Zoom, and how to improve it for music use: (not sure why the second one is so much longer, when there's actually less that you can do!!)
1. For PCs/Macs/laptops
Zoom for PCs etc
2. For iPads/tablets/phones:
Zoom for iPads/tablets/phones

And one other thing: best to install Zoom on your device, which you can do any time before the meeting starts: if you do that, then all you need to do is, at the appointed time, open the Zoom software,go to "Join a Meeting" and use the meeting number and password.
You don't need the long url if you do it that way: I know of several people who have failed to get in as they used the long url where they should have put the meeting number!

May see you later!


15 Jun 20 - 02:14 PM (#4059352)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Mrrzy

Saved offline in case mudcat goes down YAY can hardly wait!


15 Jun 20 - 02:21 PM (#4059355)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Acorn4

I'll try to come along tonight if I'm recognised (haven't done the bit signing in with an alias yet.

If you're using a PC or laptop these tips might be useful.

The problem with Zoom is that it was designed for conferencing not singing. It interprets long held notes or instruments as background noise and tries to cut them out.

On the main screen normally at the top left (usually) there is a tab which says "turn on original sound" - make sure this is "on".

Go into audio settings:-

unclick "auto adjust volume"

You can adjust your own and incoming voluem here.


Go into "Advanced"

Make sure "enable original sound" is "on".

Disable both settings for background noise (persistent and the other one)

leave "echo cancellation" enabled.


These settings should save themselves but it pays to check each session..

Hope this helps.


15 Jun 20 - 02:39 PM (#4059362)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: GUEST,Dani

Hi all!

Can't make it today, but hope to soon : )

Will work on a New Zealand connection.

Dani


15 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM (#4059365)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Tattie Bogle

All that in the video I linked to Acorn 4: it does make a big difference, especially if you are playing an instrument.


15 Jun 20 - 04:33 PM (#4059374)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Noreen

Come join us!
32 people in tonight so far :)


15 Jun 20 - 05:31 PM (#4059385)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Acorn4

Great to meet you all and listen to a range of songs from all over.


15 Jun 20 - 06:54 PM (#4059404)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Joe Offer

Here's an example of the sophisticated and civilized songs we hear on Monday afternoons....

Thread #16400   Message #2530997
Posted By: SPB-Cooperator
04-Jan-09 - 03:50 AM
Thread Name: Animal Songs
Subject: ADD: I Hates Elephants (SPB Cooperator)

I hates elephants, I do!
I hates elephants, I do!
Elephants they are not nice
And while I'm at it, I don't like mice
I hates Elephants, I do!

I hates Aardvarks, I do!
I hates Aardvarks, I do!
I don't like the Aardvark's nose
And I hates hippos I suppose
I hates Aardvarks, I do!

I hates lions, I do!
I hates lions, I do!
I don't lik ethe lion's roar
And I don't like the tiger's claw
I hates lions, I do!

I hates wallabies, I do!
I hates wallabies, I do!
I don't like the way they jump
And camels just give me the hump
I hates wallabies, I do!

I hates peoples, I do!
I hates peoples, I do!
Peoples jusr get in the way
Why can't they a;ll go away?
I hates peoples, I do!

I don't want to go home!
I don't want to go home!
Why must we go? Whay can't we stay?
Why can'twe be at the zoo all day?
I don't want to go home!

hates elephants, I do!
I hates elephants, I do!
Elephants they are not nice
And while I'm at it, I don't like mice
I hates Elephants, I do!


15 Jun 20 - 07:46 PM (#4059415)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Noreen

:)


15 Jun 20 - 08:12 PM (#4059421)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Mrrzy

What'd I miss?


15 Jun 20 - 08:54 PM (#4059432)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer

This was a marvelous gathering. I had such a good time! See you next Monday.
If you want advance notice, email me at joe@mudcat.org to get on the list. Otherwise, I'll post the link here in this thread on Monday.
Thus is so much fun, but now I'm exhausted and it's time for my nap....
-Joe-

And we had one wonderful singer from Australia, so I think that makes us officially "worldwide." Thank you all for coming.


16 Jun 20 - 03:15 AM (#4059449)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Jim Carroll

"nothing starts in Ireland till 10 aT THE EARLIEST"
Tends to be balanced by the fact that nothing finishes before 2-am; will be interesting to find if anything has changed

When we visited Ireland then returned home to London before we moved here permanently, it took us two weeks to get used to the time-zone difference - it was like having jet-lag, only we always drove over and crossed on the ferry
Jim


17 Jun 20 - 10:48 AM (#4059705)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Mrrzy

Is it Monday yet? Is it Monday yet? Is it Monday yet?


20 Jun 20 - 05:23 PM (#4060406)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Noreen

No, but it’s coming soon! Got your song(s) picked out?

Any new singers thinking of joining on Monday? All are very welcome and its great fun. :o)


21 Jun 20 - 01:39 PM (#4060598)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Amergin

Boy this sounds like fun, like the old HearMe or the other programs.

Does a new link appear every week?


21 Jun 20 - 02:45 PM (#4060607)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Noreen

Yes that’s right Amergin, for security reasons the new link is only put up about an hour before the start each week, so less likely to attract gatecrashers.

I think it’s even better than the old HearMe (which I remember very fondly) because we can see each other too!
Joe Offer has of course gone another step further and often searches for and adds info and words for the song being sung, in the chat box in real time... which sets this Mudcat Singaround apart from all others I’ve been involved with.

Mudcat is once again in the vanguard of new ideas!
(I wonder whether the wonderful Max might join us one week?!)


22 Jun 20 - 06:16 AM (#4060707)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Susan of DT

How does this work? I just got a camera for my computer. Do I need to download anything? Is it Zoom? What do I need to do?


22 Jun 20 - 09:38 AM (#4060736)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: GUEST

Yes, it’s Zoom. Install it before you first need it. Make sure your mic and camera are switched on, then sit back and wait for the link to be posted! Simples....


22 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM (#4060772)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Stilly River Sage

The link people have posted here gives the first-time user the opportunity to download the software even if they load it before or during the event.


22 Jun 20 - 05:22 PM (#4060830)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!!!
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler

Nice to put faces to names!
Had to leave early I'm afraid.

Robin


23 Jun 20 - 04:44 AM (#4060890)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: SPB-Cooperator

Hi Joe

Thanks for another great session. My apologies for being dogged with tech problems last night - a combination of my pc freezing, and slowing down a few times (robot in a tin box syndrome!) and internet destabilising. While it is frustrating when this happens, it can be amusing watching the feed catch up, a bit like fast forwards on a DVD player.

I have been enjoying on line sessions - this one and others in UK, and I think I must be close to singing more times than all the 12 years since I left the Shanty Crew combined - I think I am even beginning to get the power in my voice back (a year ago I would have struggled to get to the end of a song before my voice starts cracking up). Just need to work on my memory as I seem to be forgetting the odd line of everything I used to do.


23 Jun 20 - 09:11 PM (#4061087)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: JennieG

I would love to join in, but geez......5 a.m. is stupid dark early o'clock here, being in winter as we currently are. Besides which, who has a singing voice at that hour? Not me, for sure; I'm not a morning person at the best (or the worst) of times.

But I know how to Zoom. We have a family trivia quiz every Sunday evening on Zom with our son, DIL and The One And Only Grandkid, and son's in-laws, all of whom live two days' drive away. DIL is a music teacher so has been using Zoom with her pupils.


28 Jun 20 - 01:40 PM (#4061900)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: Mrrzy

JennieG, we tend to be there for 5 hours or more, so could you come in at 7 or 8?


28 Jun 20 - 07:50 PM (#4061947)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: GUEST,Gerry

JennieG, that's what I've done the last two weeks, from Sydney. I join around 7:30am, and it goes for another two hours or so.


28 Jun 20 - 11:56 PM (#4061968)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: leeneia

Susan, here's my non-expert advice on how to get started;

Put Zoom.us in your URL box. (Note the dot after Zoom)

Fill in your e-mail address.

Click on "sign up for free"

Follow the prompts down the rabbit hole. What you are doing is setting up a free Zoom account for yourself so you can call and join meetings in the future.

It worked for me.
====================

When it's time for the sing-a-round, get your camera, microphone and earphones (if any) plugged in and ready.

When it's 8 pm in London and 3 pm in New York, a link to the session will appear here. Copy the link into your URL box, and it will take you to the session. Click 'join with audio' or something like that.
It's pretty clear what to do. This is one hour before the official start, but people like to chat.

The sessions are pretty long, so don't worry if you miss the start. I plan to be there.


29 Jun 20 - 12:05 AM (#4061969)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: Joe Offer

OK, so I'm giving up on the practice of sending personal messages to everyone who has posted to this thread. I've built an email list and I will be sending out a link to Monday's singaround within half an hour. I think I have correct email addresses for everyone, except the honorable Black Belt Caterpillar Wrestler and Acorn4.
If you'd like to be put on the email list, email me, joe@mudcat.org

Looking forward to singing with you tomorrow. If we're lucky, maybe Mrzzy will sing something in Hungarian for us.

Thanks again to Noreen and Casey for acting as co-hosts.

-Joe Offer-


29 Jun 20 - 02:40 AM (#4061976)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: JennieG

I'll give it a go - Gerry, if you can make it at that hour I can too!


29 Jun 20 - 03:21 AM (#4061978)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler

I got the email OK thanks.

Robin


29 Jun 20 - 11:44 AM (#4062023)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: SPB-Cooperator

Haven't had a link for tonight in my PM box yet. Will this go up here in the next 2-3 hours? If you are unlucky, I might have a Czech song practiced enough.


29 Jun 20 - 04:47 PM (#4062068)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Noreen

Come on in and join us!


29 Jun 20 - 05:05 PM (#4062069)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Waddon Pete

I did and it was great fun!


29 Jun 20 - 05:37 PM (#4062075)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: DMcG

One of these days I will make it!


29 Jun 20 - 05:39 PM (#4062076)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Richard Mellish

I was about to join tonight than decided I have too much going on and could do with a reasonably early night. Probably see you all next week.


29 Jun 20 - 07:38 PM (#4062093)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Susan of DT

Joe asked me for the words to the version of Boy and the Mantle (Child #29) that I sang. The one in the Digital Tradition is the long version from Percy. I played with it quite a bit to get a singable version, most of the word editing was from Allan Taylor. I did not like his tune, so I asked Dick Greenhaus to give some tunes it would sing to and selected one. Here is my version:

BOY AND THE MANTLE

IN the third month of the year, to Carlisle did come                        
A gentle and a courteous child, that knew much wisdom
God speed thee, King Arthur, sitting at thy meat
And the goodly Queen Guenever, I cannot her forget.

I have with me a mantle no lady can resist
But it shall ne’er become that wife that once has done amiss
But if she be unfaithful, in tatters it shall fall
And if she be honest, she will brighten any hall

And first there came Queen Guenever, for she should lead the way
But if she was surely in great doubt, she did not say
And then she took the mantle as if she had been a maid:
Suddenly from the top to the toe it loosely fell in shreds.

And then it colored brightest red, and then it colored green
And then it colored darkest black, so ill did her beseem
And then upspoke King Arthur, and angrier he grew
By all the knights in this court, I think thou be not true

She threw down the mantle, for all the court to see;
And blushed as red as roses, and to her room did flee.
Sir Kay called forth his lady, and bade her to come near;
And said, if thou be guilty, I pray thee hold thee there

So forth came his lady so bold she did appear
And likewise was embarrassed and cried for all to hear
And likewise all the gentle knights who thought their wives most true
Commanded them to try it on and bitterly did rue

Then there came a faded knight, Sir Craddock was his name
And all the knights of Arthur’s court, of him had sport and game
Win this mantle, lady, and it shall all be thine,
If thou ever did amiss, the shame it shall be mine.

When his lady took the mantle his lady cast it her about,
Bow down, good mantle, and shame me not for nought.
For once I did but one amiss, I’ll tell you certainly,
For once I lay in Craddock’s bed before he married me.

When she had made confession, and all her sins she had told;
The mantle stood about her in bright array she stood
So seemly of color, and glittering like gold:
Then all the knights about this court her beauty did behold.
So Craddock stood in glory, his lady proven true
All the knights in Arthur’s court have surely got their due

Printed in Percy's Reliques of Ancient English Poetry, vol III
version sung by Allan Taylor to a different tune than I use
Child #29
SOF


29 Jun 20 - 08:15 PM (#4062095)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: JennieG

Made it......how fun was that! Thank you, Joe, you are a wonderful bloke.


29 Jun 20 - 10:41 PM (#4062106)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: GUEST,Gerry

Glad you could make it, JennieG!

Here's the verse I wrote to add to John Broomhall's song, Time is a Tempest:

First came the bushfires, then came the virus.
The year twenty-twenty is sure going to tire us!
Thank Heaven the Mudcat is here to inspire us
To sing the chorus again.


29 Jun 20 - 11:51 PM (#4062109)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: JennieG

Gerry - I love your extra verse!

First heard that song from John Broomhall, it would have been way back in the mid-80s......it was a lovely song then, and it's still lovely. Thank you for singing it.


30 Jun 20 - 01:32 AM (#4062114)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: YorkshireYankee

Here are the words for the EU Anthem I sang at yesterday's session (I've also added them to the "National Anthems" thread):

ODE TO JOY
(new words ©Vikki Fielden, 15/1/19)

Let us sing in celebration
Of a union strong and free
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we

As we join in joint endeavour
Let us strive for truth and peace
As our nations work together
May our friendships never cease

Let us sing in celebration
Of a union strong and free
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we

Grant us grace, that we may we live our
Lives in peace and unity
And in future we may give our
Children hope and harmony

Let us sing in celebration
Of a union strong and free
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we


30 Jun 20 - 01:49 AM (#4062116)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: YorkshireYankee

And here are the words for my UK vs US English parody of "My Favorite Things", as a number of people seemed interested. (I've posted it in a Mudcat thread before now, but I've revised it since then, so might as well share the updated version.)

Below the lyrics, I've added a glossary, for those who may not be familiar with all the terms.

Don’t Know the Words... (for My FavoUrite Things)
TTO: Rodger & Hammerstein’s My Favorite Things
New words: Vikki Appleton Fielden

Jelly is jam here, and jello is jelly
The car has a boot and my foot wears a wellie
Mention “sultanas”, I think "Eastern Kings"
Don’t know the words for my favourite things

Summat is not where you go when you’re climbing
Jumper is not someone into sky diving
Bob is Your uncle, the Beeb is your aunt
Don’t know the words to explain what I want

If my languish causes anguish; if you think me sad
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so bad

Beer’s sold by landlords instead of bartenders
Don’t tell the clerk that your man needs suspenders
Braces are not always worn on your teeth
Rubber is nothing to do with a sheath

I stand in line; over here it’s called queueing
Lines are engaged but they never need wooing
You stop while five while I stay until four
Knob isn’t always a thing on a door

If I speak, luv, like a freak, luv; if you think me mad
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so bad

Biscuits are sweet but a tart can be racy,
a Nice bit o’ crumpet might wear something lacy
Crackers are not always eaten with cheese
Folks don’t wear flannels but you can wear fleece

Chips come with haddock; and crisps in a packet
Soccer is football and baseball’s not cricket
Stockings have ladders and Cricket has runs
Baps is the word for my favourite buns

If you’re thinkin’ I’ve been drinkin’; if I seem a cad
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so bad

Two pints of bitter was not a bad notion
Held up two fingers and caused a commotion
I didn’t quack but you called me a duck
Muffler’s not something to quiet a truck

You call me luv; I don’t know who you are, pet
But when I say shag, ducks, I only mean carpet
Met a cute bloke at the Anchor & Bull
Kept my hands off him but he said I pulled

I get confused but I can’t ask my granny
My knickers are knackered and show off my f...reckles
You can go barking though you’re not a dog,
Everyone goes to the loo in a swamp... (um, bog!)

If my diction causes friction; if I’m misconstrued
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so rude!

===========

GLOSSARY
UK/Yorkshire word – US word
------------------------------------
jelly – Jello
jam – jelly
preserves – jam
boot – (car) trunk
wellie (short for Wellington) – boot
sultana – raisin (sort of: raisins and a sultanas are produced from the same grape but a raisin is dried naturally, and a sultana is dipped in veg oil and acid and then dried.)
summat – something (I think it's a corruption of somewhat)
jumper – sweater
Bob's your uncle – you're all set/in good shape
Auntie Beeb – the BBC
landlord – pub owner
suspenders – garter
braces – suspenders
rubber – condom
queue – line
line – telephone line
engaged – busy
stop – stay
while – until
knob – dick
biscuit – cookie
tart – loose woman
nice bit of crumpet – very attractive woman (usually young)
cracker – very attractive woman
flannel – washcloth
fleece – warm jacket (often woolen)
chips – french fries
crisps – potato chips
football – soccer
ladder – run (as in stocking)
steps – ladder
baps – bread rolls
holding up two fingers is like flipping the bird to someone – rudest possible gesture (but it's ok if you do it like a peace sign).
meduck/ducks – dearie
muffler – scarf
silencer – muffler
luv – darlin'
pet – dear
shag – have sex with
pulled – successfully picked up/scored
knickers – undies
pants – underpants
knackered – worn out
fanny – pussy (as in woman's "front bottom")
barking – mad
bog – bathroom (Brits think we're rather silly to call it a bathroom, especially if there's not even a bath in it)


30 Jun 20 - 01:22 PM (#4062192)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: cujimmy

That was another wonderful evening yesterday, very friendly people from all over sharing songs and stories and spreading the living tradition which is Folk music at its finest.


30 Jun 20 - 06:22 PM (#4062230)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Tattie Bogle

Sorry I didn't make it again, but getting a flavour of it from all the wonderfully creative song lyrics posted above! Especial thanks to Yorkshire Yankee!


01 Jul 20 - 08:29 AM (#4062287)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Mrrzy

Oh, lucky, eh? Thanks, Joe! And thanks, Yorkshire Yankee!


05 Jul 20 - 03:24 AM (#4062888)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer

I've sent out the email for Monday's singaround. If you didn't get one, contact me by email, joe@mudcat.org.

JennieG, the email I sent you got returned.

Hope to see you all Monday..

-Joe-


05 Jul 20 - 04:52 AM (#4062894)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: SPB-Cooperator

Hi Joe, hope to be there tomorrow nght, but I have to go to a zoom committee meeting before hand - because AGMs have been postponed/cancelled, I haven't found a way of getting out of this one. I will probably arrive about 10:00pm my time.

Vikki, your multi-lingual lyrics reminds me of a version we collectively wrote in the Shanty Crew when we were kicking our heels in our hotel after we had fininshed our afternoon sets and waiting for the pub to open for the evening session at Lancaster Maritime Festrival. That one was a bit x-rated referring to 'Sheep in galoshes and nuns in black leather' and the instrumental bridge between the verses 'Nudge nudge nudge, wink wink wink' - referring to Monty Python.


05 Jul 20 - 08:12 AM (#4062920)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Mrrzy

If somebody could sing Power and Glory that'd be great. I can't, my throat closes. Emotional.


06 Jul 20 - 03:10 AM (#4063026)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer

I hope everybody who wanted email notification of Monday's singaround, got it. If you didn't get an email from me and wanted one, please email me, joe@mudcat.org - but you probably won't get one tomorrow, because I won't have time to deal with email. I teach a class on Monday that ends at the exact time I open the doors for the singaround.

I'll post the link a couple of hours before the singaround, but I don't want to post it too early because of the nuisance of Zoom bombing. See y'all tomorrow,

-Joe-


06 Jul 20 - 02:05 PM (#4063104)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Noreen

I've posted the link on the Mudcat Facebook page too.

Only just, as I've just got back from a walk on the beach after spending the weekend with my son and d-i-l: first visit for many months :) :) :>


06 Jul 20 - 02:29 PM (#4063107)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Mrrzy

Says Host is in another meeting?


06 Jul 20 - 04:04 PM (#4063125)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Noreen

34 of us in here now, going great!
Come and join in.


06 Jul 20 - 05:14 PM (#4063146)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Waddon Pete

Had a great time tonight! Thanks everybody.


06 Jul 20 - 07:43 PM (#4063164)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Noreen

Another great night, thanks all for your songs and the entertaining conversation.
55 people signed in tonight :)


07 Jul 20 - 05:31 AM (#4063212)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Richard Mellish

A friend has just sent me a link to a short concert on YouTube which just happens to open with the tune that I played last night, the bride march from Delsbo. So if you want to hear how it should be played it is here, starting at 49 seconds.


07 Jul 20 - 10:47 AM (#4063235)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: leeneia

Joe, thanks for all the work you do for the singaround. All those phone numbers to keep track of! I appreciate it.


07 Jul 20 - 02:23 PM (#4063252)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Sarah the flute

Another great evening with lovely songs and great variety from around the world. Looking forward to next week already!


09 Jul 20 - 11:01 PM (#4063582)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: vectis

It was fun, wasn't it?


10 Jul 20 - 12:13 AM (#4063589)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Stilly River Sage

I didn't make it in last week, but I always enjoy hearing people and putting faces to names I've enjoyed reading for years.


10 Jul 20 - 12:29 AM (#4063590)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer

Monday is getting to be the best day of the week for me. I just love these singing sessions.
But I need a 4-hour nap when it's over.

-Joe-


10 Jul 20 - 09:10 AM (#4063637)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: SPB-Cooperator

Any plans to make this permanant after lockdowns have finished?


10 Jul 20 - 06:57 PM (#4063705)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Tattie Bogle

Leeneia: the phone numbers are auto-generated by the Zoom website when they produce the invitation, so the host only has to copy the invite! (Not to belittle anything that Joe has done in setting up these sessions as they are great!)


10 Jul 20 - 07:55 PM (#4063712)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Mrrzy

I am all for not stopping these!


10 Jul 20 - 08:10 PM (#4063714)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer

Yeah, we used to do this in the 1990s with primitive technology. Now it's so easy. I think we need to keep this going forever.


12 Jul 20 - 11:09 PM (#4063951)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: YorkshireYankee

Thanks to Mrrzy and Tattie Bogle for the kind words.

SPB-Cooperator, your song sounds like fun!

It's really been fabulous getting to see and hear the people behind the online names, and hear some gorgeous singing and wonderful songs.
Echoing the thanks to Joe, Noreen and Casey for doing the nuts and bolts that make this possible!


13 Jul 20 - 03:19 AM (#4063966)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer

This thread is getting pretty long, but I think I'd like to preserve it as the go-to place for the singaround.
Feel free to post whatever you like here (especially lyrics to songs you have sung or will sing), but I'll probably move most messages over two weeks old to our overflow thread (click).

I'm having the best time at this Monday singaround. My big black dog Madeleine loves it, too, and she often comes into my office to listen while we're singing.

-Joe-


13 Jul 20 - 06:06 AM (#4063979)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Noreen

I’m thoroughly enjoying it too Joe, Seeing and hearing friends old and new from all over the world is just amazing!
And being Mudcat, it’s not just “thanks for your song and on to the next “, there’s room for discussion about the song and its history, which is what I love.

And last week Max popped in to see what was going on... I hope you’ll be able to stay long enough to give us a song next time Max :)


13 Jul 20 - 03:09 PM (#4064053)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - NOW!!!
From: Mrrzy

Sing for me too! Hear you all next week...


13 Jul 20 - 08:22 PM (#4064082)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - NOW!!!
From: SPB-Cooperator

Joe,

RThanks for another great evening. I was surprised that you had a copy of Killie's book. I got my copy on preorder so I got my autographyed copy more or less on the day it was published.

I've known Michael Kilgariff for years, from his time as Chairman at the Player's Theatre, and he took rehearsal one night for the music hall company I used to belong to.

To say that he is above average height is an understatement. 6'5".

He has had numerous TV appearances - perhaps most famousd as the Cyber Controller in Doctor Who (Patrick Troughton and Coloin Baker eras).


13 Jul 20 - 10:41 PM (#4064096)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - NOW!!!
From: Mrrzy

What'd I miss? Can I still beg a transcipt?


14 Jul 20 - 01:59 AM (#4064097)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Joe Offer

We missed you, Mrr. You personify the spirit of what I'd like to see us accomplish with these wonderful singarounds.

-Joe-


14 Jul 20 - 02:29 AM (#4064098)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: JennieG

I'm sorry to have missed it this morning too......slept in late. Hopefully next week!


14 Jul 20 - 06:04 AM (#4064111)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Richard Mellish

Joe said
> Feel free to post whatever you like here (especially lyrics to songs you have sung or will sing)

Here's the one that I sang last night, North Sea Oil

Down by the North Sea shore, a while before now,
While seeking me fortune and rambling around,
I met a little mermaid, very pretty as I recall
And I asked this fond creature where I might find oil.

"Well I know a little oil well not very far from here
And I've been watching over it with the tenderest care
And no-one's been near there since I was a child
And I think you'd find profit to drill there a while."

So I set up my rig and I made a fine stand,
And this sweet little creature gave me a helping hand,
Saying "Daddy, oh Daddy, it makes my blood boil
When you set up your rig to go boring for oil."

Well I kissed this little creature ten thousand times o'er
As we toiled there together all on the sea shore,
With a pillow under her fish-tail, for fear it should soil.
I spat on me auger and went boring for oil.

Well I hadn't been drilling three minutes or four.
At a few inches depth, boys, the gusher did pour.
And she wriggled and giggled, and she said with a smile
"Oh bear down on that auger, for I think you've struck oil."

But it was just a few days after, a thought came in me head,
For the end of that auger was rusty and red.
And I took it to the doctor, and he said with a smile
"I think you struck shale when boring for oil."

I got it from my own recording of Bert at Dingle's Folk Club in London on 4th April 1973.

I have deliberately not checked the above words against the recording, so feel free to spot any folk-processing that I may have done over the years.

In his introduction he refers to earlier versions, so maybe I was wrong in saying that this is one that was entirely his own work rather than his improved version of an existing song, but I suspect that in this form it is mostly his work.

Then again, maybe someone would like to go looking for the earlier versions.


14 Jul 20 - 06:11 AM (#4064112)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: cujimmy

Thanks everyone who participated in another lovely evening full of interesting friendly people sharing folk songs and poetry from everywhere, many which Id never heard before which makes the session so enjoyable. best regards.


14 Jul 20 - 12:47 PM (#4064162)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: GUEST,Jack Cole

Thanks for welcoming me to the circle last evening. It was wonderful to hear so many great songs and feel the energy of the group. Stay well, everyone. - Jack, the lone Canadian. (Although 2 Bill Gallaher songs made me very proud!)


14 Jul 20 - 02:05 PM (#4064168)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: MoorleyMan

Another fabulous session, Joe and everyone who sang. A highlight of my week once again.
Cheers!


14 Jul 20 - 08:26 PM (#4064189)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: YorkshireYankee

Here's the link I mentioned last night:

FOLK SONG AND MUSIC HALL
The intersection of folk and music hall, the songs and social history
http://folksongandmusichall.com/

It's the creation of John Baxter:

"This site features a collection of Songs sung in the Music Halls, the stories of those songs and the people who sang them, and how these songs relate to traditional music of the British Isles. I hope it will encourage people to sing the songs, so where possible I include videos and links to sheet music .

"It also has my blog about the social history of Music Hall. I hope to comment on various ways in which it relates to the social history of folksong. I am mostly bringing together information found by others – though I occasionally delve in Victorian newspapers..."

Really been enjoying these sessions; great songs, great singing! Thanks again to Joe, Noreen and Casey.


14 Jul 20 - 08:44 PM (#4064192)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: YorkshireYankee

Oops, forgot to turn the link into a blue clicky...

FOLK SONG AND MUSIC HALL: The intersection of folk and music hall...


15 Jul 20 - 05:17 AM (#4064220)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Noreen

Thanks Vikki!


15 Jul 20 - 09:01 AM (#4064252)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Mysha

Folk Song And Music Hall


16 Jul 20 - 02:54 AM (#4064378)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Monique

Isn't that a great idea?


18 Jul 20 - 12:40 PM (#4064781)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: GUEST

How do I get on the mailing list for monday nights? Can you send me the link?

My email is anne@annec.me

Thanks,
Anne


18 Jul 20 - 05:39 PM (#4064825)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Bearheart

So I am just seeing this. not on Mudcat as much as I used to be.

Did the Thursday session idea go nowhere? A much better time for me. As it happens, my friend Debra Chesman here in the Finger Lakes/Central New York had a similar idea and we are doing a trans-Atlantic song circle at exactly the same time.

Plus I have another Zoom meeting following that one.

But I would love to hear the voices of people whose posts I've been reading, all these years.

Bekki


19 Jul 20 - 09:27 AM (#4064903)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Mrrzy

Mmmaybe we could, sometimes, do it on another day?


19 Jul 20 - 10:36 AM (#4064912)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: GUEST,Cujimmy

Or what about doing it twice a week, there are loads of us on Mudcat so I bet lots of people cant make it on Monday and its a pity when they have to miss out.


19 Jul 20 - 09:43 PM (#4065011)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Joe Offer

I think I'm going to stick with Monday, and see how that goes for a while. I don't have the time or energy to do two a week myself, but I'll help anybody who wants to host a second gathering.
Email invitations should be out in just a few minutes.
-Joe-


19 Jul 20 - 10:16 PM (#4065013)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Bearheart

Thanks, Joe. I got the invite. I need to figure out whether to join Monday or not... The other group is pretty small and intimate still -- only about 15 people most times, and I'm just getting to know folks and be comfortable with them. I'm pretty shy by nature, and it takes an effort to sing in front of strangers. But you may see me one of these days.


20 Jul 20 - 12:49 PM (#4065101)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler

Looks like I can make it about one week in three, which means not this week I'm afraid.

Have fun everyone!

Robin


20 Jul 20 - 08:22 PM (#4065178)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry

Here are the lyrics I used for Do Youi Think That I Do Not Know.

Do you think that I do not know
Henry Lawson

They say that I never have written of love, as a writer of songs should do
They say that I never could touch the strings with a touch that is firm and true
They say I know nothing of women and men in the fields where Love's roses grow
I must write, they say, with a halting pen do you think that I do not know?

My love-burst came, like an English Spring, in days when our hair was brown
And the hem of her skirt was a sacred thing and her hair was an angel's crown
The shock when another man touched her arm, where the dancers sat in a row
The hope, the despair, and the false alarm do you think that I do not know

By the arbour lights on the western farms, you remember the question put
While you held her warm in your quivering arms and you trembled from head to foot
The electric shock from her finger-tips, and the murmuring answer low
The soft, shy yielding of warm red lips do you think that I do not know

She was buried at Brighton, where Gordon sleeps, when I was a world away
And the sad old garden its secret keeps, for nobody knows to-day
She left a message for me to read, where the wild wide oceans flow
Do you know how the heart of a man can bleed do you think that I do not know

I stood by the grave where the dead girl lies, when the sunlit scenes were fair
Neath white clouds high in the autumn skies, and I answered the message there
But the haunting words of the dead to me shall go wherever I go
She lives in the Marriage that Might Have Been do you think that I do not know

I used a tune by Chris Kempster. Another well-known musical setting is by Slim Dusty. Best recording, for my money, was by Declan Affley.


20 Jul 20 - 08:30 PM (#4065181)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry

Here are the lyrics I sang for Tumba-bloody-rumba.

TUMBA-BLOODY-RUMBA

He looked for work at muster-time, we tried him as a rider,
We tried him as the rouseabout and as the cook’s off-sider.
He said he'd sailed the seven seas, he’d been up in Alaska,
He’d been in every western state from Texas to Nebraska.

Chorus (repeat after each stanza):
He said he’d shorn a sheep or two and cut a bit of lumber,
And waged war on the kangaroos at Tumba-bloody-rumba.

We tried him as a shearer, we tried him as a stacker,
We tried him digging rabbits out. He wasn’t worth a cracker.
He had a shop in Singapore, he owned a pearling lugger,
He was a champ at baccarat, Australian Rules and rugger.

He never showed his aptitude at jobs he was allotted,
But showed his skill upon the booze, and cigarettes he blotted.
He said he’d climbed the Matterhorn, he’d been a union leader,
And years ago in Adelaide he was a pigeon breeder.

We tried him digging fencing posts, we tried to find his caper,
Until that happy pay-day when he got his piece of paper.
I wonder what he's up to now, perhaps back on the lumber,
Or shooting kanga-bloody-roos at Tumba-bloody-rumba.

Authorship in dispute, set to music by Warren Fahey. If you want the tune, there's a recording by Warren on Youtube.


20 Jul 20 - 08:31 PM (#4065182)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Mrrzy

Y'all still there?


21 Jul 20 - 01:23 AM (#4065205)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Monique

I posted the song I sang yesterday on the French folk songs thread with translation and notes.


21 Jul 20 - 05:18 AM (#4065226)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: SPB-Cooperator

Is Lawson alluding to Adam Lindsay Gordon's romance with Jane Bridges throughout the poem?


21 Jul 20 - 05:26 AM (#4065228)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: SPB-Cooperator

SOng/Parody lesson 101 - If you are going to perform what you have written, make sure that the tune is within your vocal range (as I learned out last night!!!!).


21 Jul 20 - 05:31 AM (#4065230)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry

SPB, the reference to Gordon in the 4th stanza is, indeed, to the poet Adam Lindsay Gordon, but the interpretation I've heard is that the poem has more to do with Lawson's relationship with Hannah Thorburn. She died just six weeks before Lawson & his wife, Bertha, arrived back in Australia from two years in England.


21 Jul 20 - 07:49 AM (#4065249)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Stilly River Sage

Gerry and all who are just discovering Mudcat: You need to join (write to Joe@Mudcat.org). Guests are welcome to search and use the site, but membership does offer a few extra perks. And by all means, poke around and find the lyrics we already have here. It'll save you a little time reposting them. For example, Gerry, Lawson's poem Do You Think I Do Not Know is an example already in the DT. You are liable to find lyrics there you want to start using!

Good to see all of the new names and faces yesterday.


21 Jul 20 - 07:59 AM (#4065251)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Stilly River Sage

Gerry, I also found the thread discussing Tumba-bloody-rumba and posted a link back to your post here, but putting the lyrics there would be helpful.

For newcomers to Mudcat, we have the "Lyrics & Knowledge Search" for keywords and song titles. Use as few words as you think will bring up results and if it doesn't work the first time Max added a supersearch that hoovers up stuff all over Mudcat and the Internet.


21 Jul 20 - 08:36 AM (#4065254)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry

SRS, I've been posting to Mudcat for at least 15 years now, as a guest. I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member. I know the Lawson poem is in the DT, but there are mistakes. The other day, I posted a list of the bigger mistakes to the DT corrections thread.

Mudcat is always the first place I go to find lyrics, but then I check them against recordings and other sources if I can.


21 Jul 20 - 09:46 AM (#4065268)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Stilly River Sage

Keep letting Joe know what the corrections should be and thanks!

There is never going to be one place with all of the lyrics, it is a process, isn't it?


21 Jul 20 - 01:45 PM (#4065297)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Monday!!!
From: Joe Offer

If there are songs posted here, they will eventually be moved to a thread for that particular song. So, free to post lyrics here, and I'll move them in good time.
We don't currently have a way of correcting the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database (DT), and maybe it's a good idea to leave it as Dick Greenhaus left it when he died.
I am gradually trying to ensure that there is a thread to cover every song or family of songs in the DT. The best place to look for correct lyrics is in the threads, not in the DT. If the lyrics in a thread have proper title, songwriter, and source information, you can be reasonably sure they're correct. If the title is allcaps and bold and large, that means it has been reviewed for correctness.

-Joe-

I will use this thread as the permanent notification thread for the singaround. As messages get out of date, I'll move them to the overflow thread or to song threads.


22 Jul 20 - 06:00 PM (#4065502)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Monday!!!
From: Bearheart

Still hoping someone else who feels motivated will figure out a Thursday Mudcat sing... I already host 2 other Zoom sessions on Monday and Wednesday nights and I am getting ready to start hosting a monthly ballad session for the local group that had been meeting in my living room prior to COVID. So I'm a bit maxxed out on putting something together.


26 Jul 20 - 07:52 PM (#4066013)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Monday!!!
From: Joe Offer

Email coming soon, but I've seen no volunteers to host Thursday.


27 Jul 20 - 02:14 PM (#4066152)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround-NOW!!!
From: Joe Offer

Doors are open. Come in early for cocktails and conversation.

-Joe-


27 Jul 20 - 03:12 PM (#4066161)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: Noreen

And... they’re off!
29 of us in so far. Come and join in :)


27 Jul 20 - 06:08 PM (#4066181)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: Joe Offer

Sung by Chris Lamb today.


Zoom Song
By Ruairidh Greig

Chorus
   Off we go it’s time for a Zoom,
   A poem, a song or even a tune.
   Off we go, it’s time for a Zoom,
   Meeting together but not in one room.

Coronavirus has split us asunder
But thanks to this program, it’s really a wonder
We can all get together, though many miles apart
And share our performances straight from the heart.

Make sure you’ve selected “Original Sound”
It’s quite beneficial, most people have found
And try to sit with some light on your face
Your grins and your grimaces might go to waste.

Always remember be nice to your host
If you forget, you will suffer the most
And if you don’t mute when you know that you should
You may well find you’ve been muted for good.

Please don’t make your intro too long,
It shouldn’t go on and on and on.
There’s plenty of others still waiting to sing
So don’t be a Zoom Hog, it isn’t the thing.


27 Jul 20 - 06:38 PM (#4066192)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: Tattie Bogle

Great to be in on it again, having missed a couple of weeks.


27 Jul 20 - 08:34 PM (#4066207)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry

If all goes well, www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=62636#1013709 will link to

Lyr Add: WEE POT STOVE (Harry Robertson)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 10:52 PM

where Bob posted the lyrics to Wee Pot Stove as Robertson wrote and recorded them, and as I attempted to sing them at the singaround. They differ in a few places from the lyrics in the DT which, I think, follow Nic Jones' recording on Penguin Eggs.

Sorry I couldn't get the blue clicky to make a working link to a post on this site.


28 Jul 20 - 05:45 AM (#4066247)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen

Some feedback from the most recent sing on Monday 27th July.

I made a note of 55 names who joined in, not all singing/performing as audience are welcome too.

People started arriving at 7.30pm UK time for a chat and sound checks as necessary. Singing started at 8pm (or so) and carried on until well after midnight when I had to go get some sleep. People are numbered on arrival and get an opportunity to sing in order, though we can be flexible for those who have to leave early etc. Joe tries to allow everyone to have two songs throughout the night, and latecomers will always have a chance to sing at least once.

It is amazing to see so many Mudcatters from around the world in all their different time zones, weather conditions and surroundings. I'm loving it!

It's never going to be ideal timing for everyone worldwide. The sing does however continue for over 4 hours- 8pm to well after midnight UK time- so there is a chance for those from many time zones to take part.
We have had regular participants from Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, New Zealand, UK and USA which is quite an achievement! And a Pole in Scotland :)
(OK, who have I forgotten this time?!)

So, feel free to pop in next Monday (or Tuesday morning in the antipodes), you will be very welcome!


28 Jul 20 - 09:01 AM (#4066265)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy

Who sang Sister Susan had a pig etc?


28 Jul 20 - 09:13 AM (#4066271)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer

I'm thinking that was Sadie Damascus, Mrr. You'd love her. As I said about her, you can expect her to sing unexpected songs. She's brilliant, but don't tell her I said that. I've recently beat her at a few games of Words With Fiiends.


28 Jul 20 - 11:52 AM (#4066298)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish

After last week's singaround I forgot to post the words of the song that I had sung, and I've now remembered. I had folk-processed it a little, but here it is as sung by Adam McNaughtan, whose song it is.

Old Annie Brown

Oh Glasgow is ruthless: our town can be cruel tae its own
And Glasgow's indifference left an old woman alone.
Six months she lay dead, before her body was found.
Fa' the Calton she came
And her name
It was Old Annie Brown.

She had stayed in the East End o' Glasgow for all of her days.
Looked after her folks when her brothers were wed and away.
And Annie was fifty when she saw her mother laid down.
There was never the chance o' a man
For Old Annie Brown

So she thought she would stay in the Calton that she knew sae well.
But the city was changing, faster than Annie could tell.
And the people who could moved out as the district came down.
There were few neighbours there
To care
About Old Annie Brown

Now she bought all her food in a big London Road superstore.
And the manager said "We get old folk in here by the score.
So how should I notice if one of them isn't around?
But record my regret
For the death
Of Old Annie Brown".

Dae you know the old woman that stays five or six doors away.
What would you do if you didn't see her today?
If you missed her all week would you, maybe, take a look round?
Don't wait till you miss her
Her name might be Old Annie Brown.


28 Jul 20 - 12:49 PM (#4066302)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Rex

Many thanks to Joe and the other hosts who set this up. Good to do something with my fellow 'Catters again. I sang the following popularly known as the Gol Darned Wheel. I present it here as written by James Barton Adams, The Cowboy and the Wheel in 1897. My version was truncated in deference to many more performers with songs to sing.

The Cowboy and the Wheel - James Barton Adams
From The Denver Evening Post: Thursday, April 29, 1897.

I kin take the toughest broncho in the wild an' wooly West,
An' kin back him an' kin ride him, let him do his level best;
I kin handle any critter ever wore a coat o' hair,
An' I've had a lively tussle with a 'tarnal grizzly bear.
I kin rope an' throw a long-horn o' the wildest Texas brand,
An' in Injun disagreements I kin play a leadin' hand;
But at last I met my master, an' I shorely had to squeal,
When the boys got me a-straddle of a Gol darned wheel.

It was at the Eagle Rancho on the Brazos whar' I fust
Run across the durn contrivance 'at upset me in the dust-
Natrally up an' throwed me, stood me on my cussed head,
"Trumped my ace in lightin' order," so old Ike, the foreman, said.
'Twas a tenderfoot 'at brought it; he was wheelin' all the way
From the sunrise end o' freedom out to San Francisco Bay.
An' he tied up at the rancho fur to git outside a meal,
Never thinkin' we would monkey with his Gol darned wheel.

Arizony Jim begun it, when he said to Jack McGill
There was fellers fo'ced the limit braggin' o' their ridin' skill,
An' he reckoned there's a puncher not a million miles away
As imagined as a rider he was tolerable gay.
Then he ventured the admission that same fellow as he meant
Was a purty handy critter, fur as ridin' bronchos went,
But he'd find he was a buckin' 'ginst a dif'rent sort o' deal
Ef he'd throw his leather leggin's 'crost that Gol darned wheel.

Sich a slur upon my talent made me hotter 'n a mink,
An' I told him I could back it fur amusement or fur chink;
That 'twas nothin' but a plaything fur the kids an' that he mout
Have his idees sort o' shattered if he'd trot the critter out.
Then they helt it till I mounted, an' I give the word to go,
An' the shove they give to start me wa'n't unreasonably slow.
But I never split a cuss-word, never made a bit o' squeal-
I was buildin' repatation on that Gol darned wheel.

The grade was mighty slopin' from the rancho to the creek,
An' we went a galleyflutin', like a crazy lightnin streak,
Went a whizzin' an' a dartin', fust to this side, then to that,
The contrivance sort o' wobblin' like the flyin' of a bat.
I kep' pullin' on the handles, but I couldn't check it up,
Yanked an' sawed an' jerked an' hollered, but the durn thing wouldn't stop.
An' a sort o' sneakin' idee through my brain begun to steal
That the devil helt a mortgage on that Gol darned wheel.

Holy Moses and the prophets, how we split the Texas air!
The breezes made whip crackers o' my somewhat lengthy hair.
An' I sort o' comprehended as, adown the hill we went,
There was bound to be a smash-up 'at I couldn't circumvent.
Them cow-punchers kep' a-yellin', "Stay right with her, Uncle Bill!"
"Hit 'er with the spurs, you sucker!" "Turn her muzzle up the hill!"
But I never made an answer; I jest let the cusses squeal-
My attention was all focussed on that Gol darned wheel.

I've a sort o' dim and hazy recollection o' the stop-
O' the airth a spinnin' round me, an' the stars all tangled up,
Then there come a intermission, which extended till I found
I was lyin' at the rancho, with the boys all gethered 'round.
An' a medico was sewin' on my skin whar' it was ripped,
An' ol' Arizony whispered, "Wal, ol' boy, I guess yer whipped,"
An' I told him I war' busted from sombrero cl'ar to heel-
Then he grinned an' said, "You'd orter 'see the Gol darned wheel."


28 Jul 20 - 05:29 PM (#4066328)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy

Joe, it was a man, white, with white whiskers. I need it sung again to get a handle on the tune. I can't read music.


28 Jul 20 - 08:26 PM (#4066347)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer

Oh, I think that was Charlie Baum (click to message).
He's another one who sings unexpected songs.
-Joe-


29 Jul 20 - 07:50 AM (#4066394)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen

Charlie Baum wasn't there this week Joe- unless he came in after I left, and I heard the Susan/pig song.
Wish I could think who it was- it was someone who sang before I did, so it was 18 or earlier. I have a note of the names if that would help.

    It was my friend Sadie Damascus. I double-checked. -Joe-


31 Jul 20 - 11:13 AM (#4066710)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Rob Mad Jock Wright

in a good attempt to keep musicians active their Sunday Social going and of course a bit of focus on the Twa Tams Bar in Perth Scotland, the owners Mad Ferret invite regulars to zap in a tune or two. They then select and stream on Sundays. It is a bit of fun and the quality of the music like that played at the Twa Tams is usually high.

So if you want a listen catch it live Sundays around 5.00pm or 6 pm if things go awry.

Or you can get it on Youtube somewhere by searching.

They sometimes have a 'raffle' the first to message once they start gets a prize.
One week it was a toilet roll!

The next it was a toilet seat (new of course)!

So you can tell that it is a bit of fun.


31 Jul 20 - 11:14 AM (#4066711)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Rob Mad Jock Wright

Oh that is UK time by the way.


01 Aug 20 - 03:03 PM (#4066893)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy

Is Sadie an older white bewhiskered man?


01 Aug 20 - 10:35 PM (#4066926)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer

Nope. She's the daughter of author Shirley Jackson.


03 Aug 20 - 11:48 AM (#4067128)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy

Ooh too cool! One of the demons!

I have not yet seen today's link?


03 Aug 20 - 09:00 PM (#4067200)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer

Another lovely gathering. Thank you all for coming.


03 Aug 20 - 10:25 PM (#4067206)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy

Joe, it was indeed marvy; peace upon thee, gracious host.


04 Aug 20 - 03:51 AM (#4067226)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Gerry

Joe, the lyrics you posted in chat for The Swaggies Have All Waltzed Matilda Away are fine, with just two corrections. In the last verse, "Coolies" should be "Koori". Koori is the name the Aboriginal people of New South Wales use to describe themselves. And the fellow who wrote the song was Alistair Hulett, with a double t at the end. Thanks again for putting the show on.


04 Aug 20 - 10:23 AM (#4067259)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: doncatterall

I'd like to join in next Monday. Do I need an invite or just the meeting ID and password (what are they?)?

Stornoway Folk Club have been meeting via Zoom since lockdown.
First and third Thursday of the month at 8:00 pm UK time.
Anyone wishing to join us - PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send an invite.
    I added you to the list, Don. -Joe Offer-


04 Aug 20 - 10:59 AM (#4067269)
Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator

I don't know if I have already mentioned it, but I think I have been to more zoom song sessions than I have to folk clubs for the last 5 years. Zoom gets round the need to be motivated to get outside and catch various tubes and/or buses so I can enjoy a pint. One club I went to a couple of year back was fine getting back to central London after but then having to catch 2 night buses to get home!! However, it is harder to perform rathar than just sing.