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10 Aug 19 - 04:58 PM (#4004048)
Subject: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Iains

After a previous failed suicide attmpt, the latest one was a success.
Was it suicide or was he suicided?. Was he not on 24/7 suicide watch?
Presumably a lot of "important" people will breathe easier after his demise, if the rumours are anything close to the truth.
There is talk that many documents were found. Conspiracy theorists could have a field day with this.
The important aspect of this is that the victims still require justice.
I wonder how this is best served, and by whom?


One view


10 Aug 19 - 05:01 PM (#4004050)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Stilly River Sage

Political activist Michael Moore suggests that at the very least Trump's Attorney General William Barr had a lot of reasons to leave Epstein to his own devices (no current suicide watch). Trump was a frequent player in Epstein's circle of influence, and vice versa.


10 Aug 19 - 05:09 PM (#4004051)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: meself

I question the use of the wording - not yet seen here, but I've heard it elsewhere today - that Epstein "escaped justice". It's not like he's sitting on a beach in Bermuda; feeling compelled to commit suicide, or being murdered, in a prison cell may not be "justice" - but it's pretty close .....


10 Aug 19 - 05:20 PM (#4004054)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Bill D

Epstein knew that he wasn't going to enjoy ANY of his life in prison, and he knew he was gonna be there..unless....

As to Michael Moore's theory... sure.. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that Trump didn't like the idea that Epstein might testify to some awkward stuff. Whether & how his suicide was 'facilitated', I doubt anyone will be able to prove.


10 Aug 19 - 05:40 PM (#4004056)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: bobad

A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful menís lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably...Russian.


10 Aug 19 - 05:52 PM (#4004058)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Jack Campin

"Suicide watch" normally means the watchers are trying to prevent a suicide... maybe not this time.

The person with the strongest motive is Alex Jones. He was running out of things to make up conspiracy theories about.


10 Aug 19 - 06:49 PM (#4004064)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Bill D

HA! In some ways, I hope you're right, Jack. Poor Alex needs something...


11 Aug 19 - 08:56 AM (#4004117)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Roger the Skiffler

Does Andrew Windsor have an alibi?
RtS


11 Aug 19 - 09:40 AM (#4004122)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Stilly River Sage

Many men are probably asking themselves the same question. Epstein appears to have commingled his business and social activities with his illicit activities to provide cover for the illicit ones. All eyes seem to have turned to Ghislane Maxwell who seems to have been an enabler who groomed many of the girls who were raped. "Sex trafficking" girls under 18 = rape.


11 Aug 19 - 10:02 AM (#4004126)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Steve Shaw

"Does Andrew Windsor have an alibi?"

No, Roger, but Prince Philip has form...


11 Aug 19 - 01:44 PM (#4004162)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Bee-dubya-ell

It was the Clintons! Hillary held him down while Bill put the noose around his neck!

(I know it's true because Trump said so! And he got his information from the guy who brought us Pizzagate!)


11 Aug 19 - 02:17 PM (#4004167)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Iains

A man having previously attempted suicide, achieves subsequent success by hanging himself. Epstein was taken off of suicide watch on July 29-. How deuced convenient that was-He could try allover again.
Anyone been suspended/fired for gross negligence yet? Is a coverup occurring?
According to a federal Prosecutor:
Jeffrey Epsteinís suicide ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment. Ö [It] means that there wonít be a public trial or other proceedings that could reveal evidence of his wrongdoing. Evidence collected via grand jury subpoena wonít be released to the public.
Now isn#t that just tickety boo for all those "names" mentioned:
The 66-year-oldís death came less than a day after a trove of disturbing court documents was made public offering details about his alleged abuse of dozens of mostly underage girls, as well who assisted him with or participated in the abuse ó documents which implicate many rich and powerful men from the elite circles Epstein was once a member of.

I wonder if the victims have any legal remedies available to them now Epstein has died?


11 Aug 19 - 04:04 PM (#4004173)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Stilly River Sage

The federal court in Southern District of New York is asking for more of his victims to come forward. They're thinking that now a public trial and the testimony in court isn't part of it, more will, and it will be something the estate has to deal with. Sorting out the victims from everyone who decides to jump on that bus will be something the feds can sort out.


11 Aug 19 - 06:11 PM (#4004188)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Jeri

One thing that's being largely ignored: HOW did he commit suicide? People assume he hung himself, because some version of that is what he tried previously, but I can't find any reporting of the method.

I also wonder how many things had to fall into place for him to be successful. I don't mind that he's dead and the criminal court (and everybody else) is spared living through the trial, but I wonder who his testimony related to a plea bargain might've implicated.

Of course, it probably WAS the Clintons...


11 Aug 19 - 10:28 PM (#4004204)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Stilly River Sage

There was more detail about that this evening in the NY Times. Heads will roll (pardon the pun) because guards were supposed to check on him every 30 minutes and didn't. (I forgot to mention that the source for my information in the last post was from the morning news on Weekend Edition today.


12 Aug 19 - 04:13 PM (#4004309)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Mrrzy

So, murder or suicide?


12 Aug 19 - 04:37 PM (#4004316)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: punkfolkrocker

persuasively assisted suicide...???


12 Aug 19 - 05:46 PM (#4004326)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: The Sandman

The whole saga is outraGeous,the powerful and the abusers slip off the hook again


12 Aug 19 - 06:22 PM (#4004338)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: punkfolkrocker

Reminding of when Fred West was found dead in his cell..

That was lucky for all the local bigwigs rumoured to be involved in his sex parties...


12 Aug 19 - 06:31 PM (#4004340)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Iains

From a UK newspaper:
Attorney General Bill Barr issued a stark warning to Jeffrey Epstein's alleged co-conspirators on Monday, telling them they 'should not rest easy'.
The investigation into the disgraced financier and his sex crimes looks set to shift its focus following his death to those accused of helping him, in a move that threatens to implicate some of the world's richest, most powerful men.
Speaking at a police event in New Orleans Barr said: 'Let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein. Any co-conspirators should not rest easy.

'The victims deserve justice and they will get it.'


I hope he is right!


13 Aug 19 - 01:40 AM (#4004373)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: leeneia

What good does it do to check every 30 minutes when a person can suffocate in less time than that?


13 Aug 19 - 02:35 AM (#4004378)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Joe Offer

This death has quickly engendered a wide variety of conspiracy theories. I'm open to a wide variety of possibilities once evidence is found. But for now, I'm inclined to believe the obvious: Epstein realized that he was totally ruined and he had no escape and no defense, so he took the easiest way out and killed himself. Maybe I've read too much Latin literature, but it seems to me that if one realizes that one is incontrovertibly guilty of a capital offense, the only honor left is in suicide.

-Joe-


13 Aug 19 - 03:50 AM (#4004389)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Backwoodsman

I donít believe that ĎEpsteiní and Ďhonourí belong in the same sentence, bearing in mind the formerís reported activities over many years.


13 Aug 19 - 04:54 AM (#4004403)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Iains

Does the underlying investigation that triggered his demise now lose momentum, or widen it's scope. The issue of the corpse is separate and subordinate.


13 Aug 19 - 08:54 AM (#4004418)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Daniel Kelly

It is a cover up, homeless body shown to the media, Epstein is in the Bahamas. Don't you think a man in his position would have multiple stashes of compromising video and documentation ready to release if he didn't get away?


13 Aug 19 - 09:09 AM (#4004422)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Charley Noble

Yes, it could be a body double that died, and the real Epstein is off somewhere else laughing at the media and calculating how much he can shake his clients down for.

Charlie Ipcar


13 Aug 19 - 10:31 AM (#4004430)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Jeri

"Homeless body shown to the media". Didn't happen. The "media" hasn't seen anything.
Joe, it's a stretch to think he cared about honor at all. There were too many "accidental" enabling details, plus the fact he had buddies (such as Trump) in high places to make the suicide feel completely believable to me. I am not an expert, but I don't think people with large egos who are used to hurting others to get what they want are all that apt to kill themselves. I could be wrong, but I'm still suspicious.


13 Aug 19 - 10:47 AM (#4004433)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Mrrzy

Today's paper says shrieking heard from his cell before body found. If so, sounds more like murder.


13 Aug 19 - 10:49 AM (#4004434)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Backwoodsman

Iíve heard people say the Earth is flat - doesnít make it so.


13 Aug 19 - 11:22 AM (#4004443)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: leeneia

I agree with you, Joe.

That said, a man who would do the things Epstein did to young women who had never done anything against him is probably inscrutable to the mind of the usual sane and decent Mudcatter.

But one thing I have noticed in reading about child abusers is that a man can do the most hideous things to a child in private and not be bothered, yet care deeply (maybe hysterically) about how he is perceived in the community. Epstein was a man who seemed wealthy, important, good-looking, but that outer appearance was all he had.

When investigation shattered that shell, there was nothing left but shame.


13 Aug 19 - 12:04 PM (#4004453)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Mrrzy

Oh, he wouldn't be killed for being a kiddyfiddler. He might for knowing kiddyfiddly things about powerful people.


13 Aug 19 - 12:17 PM (#4004455)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Stilly River Sage

Call it rape. That's what it is.


14 Aug 19 - 01:03 PM (#4004524)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: The Sandman

Prince Andrew, well well, whoever next


15 Aug 19 - 04:00 AM (#4004591)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Iains

Some say he died by hanging, others say by strangulation. Mr James Kunstler has hid own unique take on the matter:


https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/he-did-what/
The plot thickens: Some say the Devil's dead............
                      Others say he rose again........


15 Aug 19 - 09:46 AM (#4004628)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Bill D

This morning's Washington Post:
"An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.

Among the bones broken in Epsteinís neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adamís apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said."

They still don't say whether he had 'something' around his neck.


15 Aug 19 - 10:30 AM (#4004633)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Mrrzy

Worst case of suicide I ever saw...


15 Aug 19 - 11:12 AM (#4004639)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Backwoodsman

Seems pretty obvious he rigged his suicide to look like murder... ;-)


15 Aug 19 - 02:00 PM (#4004652)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Mrrzy

Ooh, who is he framing?


15 Aug 19 - 02:49 PM (#4004657)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Stilly River Sage

He broke his own neck several times before hanging himself to finally do the trick. Sure.


15 Aug 19 - 02:52 PM (#4004658)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Backwoodsman

I was joking, SRS. The winking smiley was to indicate that.


16 Aug 19 - 05:44 AM (#4004685)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Iains

When a high profile prisoner attempts suicide several weeks previously, it does not ring true that he was not under continuous surveillance.
This suicide/murder will have to rank number three after:
Assassination of John F. Kennedy
The mysterious collapse of WTC 7

I wonder if all Epstein#s reputed little black books will ever see the light of day?

Supposedly closing his mouth permanently would have suited many important people. I wonder who retains the passenger manifests for all the flights in and out of his island?


16 Aug 19 - 03:25 PM (#4004766)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: leeneia

The guy went from superman to superpimp in the eyes of the world.

Also, child pornography was discovered on his computer. My area operated a child pornography sting a few years ago, and a local police chief said, "When you talk about child pornography, you are talking about men raping babies."

Is it any wonder he didn't want to keep living?

Have you ever heard how child molesters are treated by other prisoners?


16 Aug 19 - 10:20 PM (#4004800)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Mrrzy

Swelp, they've ruled it suicide.


19 Aug 19 - 08:11 AM (#4005088)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Jim Carroll

Prince Andrew now implicated by association in child abuse scandal via his friendship with - photograph produced
Jim Carroll


19 Aug 19 - 10:29 AM (#4005112)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: gillymor

Do you all still lop off royal heads over there?


New York Post


19 Aug 19 - 10:36 AM (#4005113)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: Jim Carroll

Sometimes it's more than heads ned lopping off !!
Jim Carroll


19 Aug 19 - 11:24 AM (#4005120)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: gillymor

Lol, Jim, but I didn't specify which head in my query.


20 Aug 19 - 07:47 AM (#4005209)
Subject: RE: BS: jeffrey epstein suicide
From: goatfell

Good riddance and to Jeffery goodbye because youíll need a lot of sun cream