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Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun

26 Nov 99 - 05:08 PM (#141056)
Subject: What are your favorite Scottish tunes?
From: Sandy

It's a long term project of mine to arrange Scottish tunes for fingerstyle guitar. My interest arises largely from the fact that my mother was from Scotland (Eyemouth), although I'm no expert on Scottish music. I'm curious to know what tunes mudcatters would pick to go on a list of favorite Scottish tunes (and what versions if possible). Thanks in advance.


26 Nov 99 - 05:18 PM (#141063)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

For songs or instrumentals? Some tunes are both song and dance tunes. ABCs of many can be found via the webside ABC index on the ABC homepage. I have some of my favorites as ABCs (some with songs) in the S1, S2 and T1 files on my website. I have some other favorites that are used for more common songs that aren't there. Murray on Saltsping is the best near-regular here to answer that, really. 'Leslie Braes', 1994, except for "Johnnie Cope" (second half his) are his own compositions.


26 Nov 99 - 06:16 PM (#141089)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

Nigel Gatherer's Scottish tunes don't seem to be in the web-wide ABC index. Also, I can't get his direct URL to work. What does work is finding 'The Scottish Music Pages' with a search engine, and clicking from there.


26 Nov 99 - 09:02 PM (#141132)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Mick Lowe

Without doubt it has to be"Annie Laurie"..

Mick


26 Nov 99 - 11:56 PM (#141205)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

The original version of "Annie Laurie" and the short history of C. K. Sharpe (historian who found the song, and collected others) of her and the young man who wrote the song are first in the Scarce Songs 2 file on my website: www.erols.com/olsonw


26 Nov 99 - 11:59 PM (#141206)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

What's wrong? This is the second posting tonight that hasn't gone to the top after my additional message.


27 Nov 99 - 12:00 AM (#141207)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

Same result. Let's try again.


27 Nov 99 - 12:03 AM (#141209)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

I give up.


27 Nov 99 - 01:08 AM (#141238)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: sophocleese

Bruce O. normally I like reading your postings, they have a lot of good informationin them but now I'm afraid you've made me laugh. You sound like someone talking into a dead phone."Hello..Can you hear me? Are you there?"

I'll see if this goes to the top now.


27 Nov 99 - 01:10 AM (#141242)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: sophocleese

Gee Bruce, it worked for me...


27 Nov 99 - 01:12 AM (#141243)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: sophocleese

Then my program glitched. Pride goeth etc.


27 Nov 99 - 01:40 AM (#141254)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

I guess Mudcat has had a hard day, it just takes it a few minutes go get going again. I'm waiting now to see how long it take to get another of my messages to come up. It had not come up yet when I came here.


27 Nov 99 - 02:39 AM (#141264)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Metchosin

Bruce O, it wasn't going up to the top on another thread I was on either. My cookie had expired, so maybe that was the problem.


27 Nov 99 - 05:04 AM (#141279)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Margaret\W

Sandy: There's lots of good stuff around, but being from just over the border (on the English side) I'd have to go for the 'nearly Northumbrian tunes'- how about Tweedside Schottische and Berwick Johnnie (the 1745 rebellion version)?

Both great on fiddle/Northumbrian smallpipes but good on guitar too!


27 Nov 99 - 10:23 AM (#141317)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Pete Peterson

J. Scott Skinner's The Bonnie Lass of Bon Accord. I had about the first four variations worked out on banjo a while ago and hadn't thought of it in years. THanks!


27 Nov 99 - 11:33 AM (#141340)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: bunkerhill

Jock Stewart, Broom of the Cowdenknowles, Auld Lang Syne


27 Nov 99 - 01:38 PM (#141378)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Frankie

Here's a few of my favorites Sandy:

Wild Mountain Thyme- by Connie Dover (Tannahill Weavers also do a nice version)

Hector the Hero- I learned this from a dulcimer player and have never heard a recording of it. You can hear it at www.contemplator.com/folk.html which is Lesley Nelson's site. It contains a bunch of Scottish tunes ( and a lot of other good stuff) played pretty decently on midi.

Thatchers o' Glen Rae and McCrimmons Lament - by Dick Gaughan on NO MORE FOREVER (Aly Bain on fiddle)

Now Westlin' Winds-by Gaughan on HANDFUL OF EARTH

Frankie


27 Nov 99 - 03:07 PM (#141404)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bill D

*Wild Mountain Thyme" is not 'really' a Scottish tune...it is a re-write by an Irishman...*smile*...but 'Braes 'o Balquidder', from which it came is....both nice tunes....

I like the Scottish tunes used for ballads and laments...just something special about them...my mind is hard pressed to pick one right now....perhaps in a bit...


27 Nov 99 - 03:25 PM (#141409)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Peregine Scott

Stirling Castle


27 Nov 99 - 04:28 PM (#141431)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: sophocleese

The Boatman, My Luv's in Germanie are two of my favourites at the moment.


27 Nov 99 - 04:40 PM (#141434)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Amos

I'm partial to "The Muckin' O' Geordie's Byer", "There Was a Soldier, a Scottish Soldier", and "Johnny, Where's Your Trousers", but they're not serious folk songs.

A.


27 Nov 99 - 04:42 PM (#141436)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Dizzie

The Dark Island is a beautiful haunting melody with equally good lyrics


27 Nov 99 - 07:23 PM (#141472)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: kendall

Dark Island certainly, I prefer Carolines version.. with Sandy doing harmony Lassie wi a yellow coatie. I once used this as a proposal..it worked but the song lasted almost as long as the marriage. Loch Tay boat song. the Corries. Rose of Allendale..Mary Black


28 Nov 99 - 07:45 AM (#141672)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Frankie

Bill D-

I checked out The Braes o' Balquhidder by Scottish poet Robert Tannahill at www.contemplator.com, compared it to Wild Mountain Thyme, credited to Jimmy McPeake in the Database and found that I sing lyrics (not in dialect) much closer to the former. Are you telling me each of these lyrics are sung to different tunes? Thanks and regards, Frankie


28 Nov 99 - 12:52 PM (#141725)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Håvard

I'd suggest some of Niel Gow's tunes. In particular "Niel Gow's Lament on the death of his second wife" and "Farewell to Whisky". If you don't mind Shetland tunes "Da Slockit Licht" and "Da day dawn" has been long standing favorites with me

Håvard


28 Nov 99 - 01:38 PM (#141733)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

This song is in 'The Little Warbler', I, p. 133, Oliver: Netherbow, 1804. The tune later appeared in Gow's 'Strathspey Reels', bk. 5 (1809).

Gow's Farewell to Whisky

You've surely heard o' famous Neil,
The man that played the fiddle weel,
I wat he was a canty chiel',
And dearly lo'ed the whiskey, O!
And ay sin' he wore tartan trews,
He dearly lo'ed the Athole brose;
And wae was he you may suppose,
To play fareweel to whiskey, O.

Alake, quoth Neil, I'm frail and auld,
And find my bluid grows unco cauld,
I think 'twad mak me blythe and bauld,
A wee drap highland whiskey, O
Yet the doctors they do agree,
That whiskey's no the drink for me:
Saul, quoth, 'twill spoil my glee,
Should they part me and whiskey, O.

Tho' I can get baith wine and ale,
And find my head and fingers hale,
I'll be content, tho' legs should fail,
To play fareweel to whiskey, O.
But still I think on auld lang syne,
When Paradise our friends did tyne,
Because something ran in their mind
Forbid, like highland whiskey, O.

Come, a' ye powers of music, come!
I find my heart grows unco glum;
My fiddle-strings will no play bum
To say fareweel to whiskey, O.
Yet I'll tak my fiddle in my hand,
And screw the pegs up while they'll stand,
To mak a lamentation grand,
On gude auld highland whiskey, O.


28 Nov 99 - 01:56 PM (#141740)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: selby

without doubt Athol Highlanders, Crossing the Minch & jig of Slurs. Keith


28 Nov 99 - 03:05 PM (#141759)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

"Niel Gow's Farewell" is now in Scarce Songs 1 on my website with an ABC of the tune from Gow's 5th book of Strathspey Reels. With luck, the server will again be able to find my website, but I've not been able to see it at all today.


28 Nov 99 - 07:13 PM (#141857)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Mary in Kentucky

Here is a purely unbiased, perhaps naive (because I have an untrained ear), list of Scottish songs that appeal to me. A few I remember from childhood, others I discovered within this last year. My only criteria is "the sound." (I'm hopelessly in love with the Scottish sound.) Most can be found at Lesley's site.

A Man's a Man For a That Annie Laurie The Bluebells of Scotland Bonnie Doon The Campbells Are Comin' Charlie is My Darling Come By the Hills Flow Gently Sweet Afton The Four Marys The Land of the Leal Loch Lomond Of Thee I Dream (Mo Shuil Ad Dheigh) Prince Charlie Rare Willie Scotland the Brave The Great Silkie The Skye Boat Song Wi' A Hundred Pipers Will Ye No Come Back Again (Bonnie Charlie) ...Scottish lullabies? Can Ye Sew Cusions Mist Covered Mountains (Smile in Your Sleep Hush Ye, My Bairnie (Carogan Gaolach) Lady Anne Bothwell's Lament (Baloo My Boy)

...and of course, "Wild Mountain Thyme" whether Scottish or Irish ;-)

BTW, does anyone know the names of the Scottish tunes in Max Bruch's "Scottish Fantasy"? The 1st, 2nd, and 4th movements can be heard at The Classical Midi Connection under Bruch in the Romantic section.

Mary


28 Nov 99 - 07:18 PM (#141861)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: kendall

hey Mary from KY I believe one of the tunes in Scottish Fantasy is I'M A DOON FOR LACK OF JOHNNIE


28 Nov 99 - 07:26 PM (#141864)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Mary in Kentucky

Thanks. Where can I hear that?

Mary


28 Nov 99 - 07:44 PM (#141875)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: enelrad

Th Eriskay Love Lilt is one of my fav...also, Bonnie George Campbell...The Burning of Achindoon ( spelling?)


28 Nov 99 - 07:50 PM (#141880)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Mbo

Definately "All The Blue Bonnets Over The Border." Another good tunes is "Harvest Home" and it works very well as fingerstyle guitar piece. I know, I play ALL the time!

--Mbo


28 Nov 99 - 08:29 PM (#141896)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Caitrin

"Cam Ye O'er Frae France" has always been a favorite of mine. My parents are big Steeleye Span fans, so it's a childhood memory of mine, along with "Misty Moisty Morning." (I was at least 10 before I realized that Misty Moisty Morning wasn't a classic children's song that everyone knew.)


28 Nov 99 - 09:19 PM (#141911)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Dizzie

Would like to add "Dark Lochnagar" either as an instrumental or the fine vocal effort by John McDermott


28 Nov 99 - 09:58 PM (#141929)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From:

"Came ye oe'r from France" is a song to the Scots tune of "The Keys of the Cellar", but better known from a later Irish title "Bob and Joan". The Winester Wedding "The Wincerterr "


28 Nov 99 - 10:12 PM (#141934)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Mbo

Thanks to my sister, who had a penchant for memorizing nursery rhymes, I know "Misty Moisty Morning." I reminds me of when I was 9 years old, and living in San Onofre, California way back in 1988. Returning to "Misty Moisty Morning," I only know it as a poem, but I'll have to look into it as being a song.

--Mbo


28 Nov 99 - 10:30 PM (#141944)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

Sorry for that incomplete posting above, I don't know how that happened. I started it, and thought I cleared it, in order to go search for something. At any rate some history of the tune for "Cam ye o'er to France" (Keys of the Cellar"/ Bob and Joan" is given under "Bob and Joan" in the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website, and the tune is given as 'BOBJOAN1 in the tune file for it. "One Misty Moisty Morning" is a thoroughly English song (and tune) of the 17th century.


29 Nov 99 - 02:34 AM (#142030)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Hutzul

Got to include

Scottish Soldier

Gallant Forty Twa

and the ever popular Donald, Where are Your Troosers


29 Nov 99 - 11:31 AM (#142132)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Dan Evergreen

Although I have just gotten into Scots folksongs, my decided favorites so far are "Sweet Rose of Allandale," and "Lassie wi' the Yellow Coatie."


29 Nov 99 - 12:08 PM (#142153)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Sandy

Wow, what a great response! You've all set me on a pleasant long term journey to learn more about my Scottish heritage (the musical part). I hope others have enjoyed these responses as much as I have.

Keep them coming!

Sandy


29 Nov 99 - 02:19 PM (#142204)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Little dorrit

Will ye g'an love? (Archie fisher) Parcel of rogues (Steeleye span) Caledonia (Dougie Mclean)


29 Nov 99 - 02:40 PM (#142212)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: kendall

I have the honor of calling friend the last rightful heir to the throne of Scotland, James Stewart of St. John NB. No kidding, I saw the write up in a Canadian newspaper declaring him so. Anyway, he tells me that the song Passal of Rogues makes his hair stand and gives him chills.


29 Nov 99 - 02:46 PM (#142217)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

For "One misty moisty moring (The Wiltshire Wedding) see the Opie's 'The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes' and ZN73 in the broadside ballad index on my website (tune is B149 there).

"My Love's in Germanie" is Hector MacNeill's song to "Ye Jacobites by Name" (Scots Musical Museum #371), which is evidently the early tune for "Captain Kidd" (see original "You Jacobites..." and its tune direction in Scarce Songs 1).


30 Nov 99 - 03:28 AM (#142542)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Murray on Saltspring

Mary down there in Kentucky: Bruch's Scottish Fantasy's 4 movements are based on: Auld Rob Morris, Hey the Dusty Miller, I'm a' doon for lack o' Johnnie, and Scots wha hae wi Wallace bled. There's a thread somewhere about the 3rd; the last = Hey Tuttie Taitie, an old drinking song (and annoyingly, Bruch doesn't use all the tune for some reason). We seem to be collecting a lot of favourites. But do you want OUR own ones, or just a list of "everyone's favourite Scottish pops"?


30 Nov 99 - 07:03 AM (#142558)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: D_hand@hotmail.com

The Lough Tay Fisherman


30 Nov 99 - 08:37 AM (#142570)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Mary in Kentucky

Murray--you're a real treasure, thanks for the info. I was hot on the trail of only two. I'm interested in your favorites (favourites), so do tell.

Mary


30 Nov 99 - 02:50 PM (#142746)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: DougR

Sandy: One of my favorites is "Think on Me" and I have posted several times trying to locate the lyrics for the song but no one else seems to know it.

DougR


30 Nov 99 - 04:41 PM (#142802)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Murray on SS

DougR: Lady Nairne has a poem "Think", which may be what you're after. A song, "Think on Me", was a staple in the repertoire of the Glasgow Orpheus Choir. I can't trace this now, though.


30 Nov 99 - 04:50 PM (#142810)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Frankie

Did anyone mention Jock o' Hazeldean. Dick Gaughan (on NO MORE FORVER) and Martin Simpson (on LEAVES OF LIFE) recorded memorable versions of this beautiful old tune.

F


01 Dec 99 - 07:47 AM (#143113)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: skarpi Iceland

Sandy, I know just one song from Scotland. It is Flower of Scotland. It would be great if you could tell me about some good Scottish bands . Many thanks , Skarpi Iceland.


01 Dec 99 - 11:39 AM (#143190)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: InOBU

Well there are so many... however, one has to be, and I believe it is a Mat McGinn song, The Crew of the SS Shieldhall. It is a lovely wee lament about the dificulties which attend life aboard the gallent wee boat which takes the sewage out to sea from Scotlands lea (or loo?) If any one knows the rest, Id love it if you could post the words. I recall one particularly lovely immage of flies rather than seagulls follwing her wake, and a chorus which makes ones eyes tear... We re the crew of the SS Shieldhall/ Pull the chain and we answer the call/ When we pass the aroma, would put ye in a coma/ We re the crew of the SS Shieldhall.

Och, Ive got te go, Im ballin agin an me tears are gettin me Glasgo Celtics shirt wet... Larry Otway


02 Dec 99 - 10:10 PM (#143944)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Moira

Bonnie Laddie, Highland Laddie Amang the trees where humming bees Young Highland Rover

and too many others to mention.


03 Dec 99 - 05:41 AM (#144061)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Alexander C (formerly known as Sandy)

Sharpi,

I'm not an expert on Scottish music which is why I put up the original post. But after reading the responses I personally am looking forward to checking out The Corries, the Tannahil Weavers, Battlefield Band, Capercaille, Old Blind Dogs, Dick Gaughan, Mary Black, Alasdair Fraser, Ewan Macoll, The Carolines. I believe I am going to start with a Dick Gaughan CD.

Sandy Patton,

My apologies to you if by my posting Sandy (which is my Scottish nickname for Alexander) has caused any confusion. I see that a Sandy (you?) has been a regular on Mudcat. You deserve better than to have a newbie usurp the name. I probably won't post much, but this is such a wonderful forum for info that if I do, I'll post as Alexander C. in the future. Thanks Sandy.

Sandy


03 Dec 99 - 08:28 AM (#144078)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Janey

If you like Scottish music, try 'The Complete Songs of Robert Burns' by Linn Records. This is a series of CD's which has every song that Burns had a hand in. That of course includes many of the old Scots songs which he rescued from oblivion. To hear some sound clips, go to www.towerrecords.com and type Robert Burns in the 'search' box. This is the first CD of the series and the others only get better. I think they've just released Vol.7. There is no operatic singing, just good down to earth Scottish folk music with simple Scottish instruments.


03 Dec 99 - 11:18 AM (#144158)
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From: Clinton Hammond

What about Andy M. Stewert?!?! The Valley Of Strathmore! The Errant Apprentice... The Parish Of Dunkeld... The Queen Of Argyle...

And "Both Sides, The Tweed" by Name Escapes Me....

And more Dougie McLean... Sennars (sp?) Song... Caledonia...

Bobby Watts Homeland... and The Girl I Left Behind...

The list goes on and on...


04 Dec 99 - 10:34 AM (#144571)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Caitrin

Bruce: I know "Misty Moisty Morning" is English. I just mentioned it because I learned it around the same time as "Cam ye o'er frae France". Sorry...my little brain just takes off on tangents sometimes. *smile*


04 Dec 99 - 02:13 PM (#144625)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: Bruce O.

"A Man's a man for a that": Robert Burns borrowed one of his lines and the tune from an older song in Hogg's 'Jacobite Relics', II, 1821, "Though Geordie reigns in Jamie's Stead". The tune is in the Northumberland Vicker's MS, c 1772, as "For aw that and aw that". A copy of the song c 1750, is in NLS MS 2910 with the heading "A New song Tune Lady Mackintosh's Reel". For early copies of the tune under that title (and yet another) see the Country Dances 2 file on my website.


17 Dec 99 - 11:46 PM (#151103)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: What are your favorite Scottish tun
From: JamesJimFolk

Glanced quickly through and didn't see "If my memory serves me well" (I recall a dear green place, etc.). Think I have an Alex Beaton CD ("Halfway Home," I think) that includes this one. Beautiful.

Jim