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BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.

25 Mar 13 - 03:26 PM (#3494751)
Subject: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

You seem like a good guy Larry, reasonable, thoughtful.

Why don't you register as a member and more fully join the club?

Please tell us more about yourself, what you want us to know about your Mudcat persona that is. I advise that you don't get too personal to start. Trolls can and will use that against you....


25 Mar 13 - 03:45 PM (#3494757)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Thanks Jack,\

Actually I am registered on mudcat, but keep losing the cookies thanks to my malware detector (I guess).   I do occasional posts....usually on the music threads, but this time I drifted into the other one.

I live in Canada....a small town in B.C.   I've been a music fanatic since I was very small, with an extreme in eclectic tastes....my favourite records are those by the likes of John Stewart, Pearls Before Swine, Mickey Newbury, David Lynn Jones, Cheryl Wheeler, Elyse Weinberg, Van Dyke Parks, Randy Newman, (Beverly) Glenn-Copeland, and I like to continue to explore new stuff as well.   

I'm also an amateur musician playing bass, guitar, keyboard, and french horn. I'm getting more interested in playing 'jazz' oriented material.

And lastly, of interest to mudcatters (and at some point I'll make this into a thread), I'm involved in an organization trying to start a community radio station in my town (Penticton).....and within a month or so we expect to start with online streaming, which will be available to anyone.

And (sorry for the cheap pitch), I'm putting together (not as an ego trip, but as an excuse to play and re-familiarize myself with the music I've grown to love), a program called "Larry Saidman's Top 200 Albums of All Time".   Once I have a few shows recorded, it will be on our Peach City website (peachcityradio.org) and I'm also hoping to get a 'blog' where some of these albums/programs can be discussed.

Being technlogically challenged....we'll see how it all works.

One of the things I most enjoy about the mudcat forum is a certain respectfulness and acceptance for other people's tastes and 'quirks' that so often shines through.

I guess that's why I get concerned when I see this evaporating.

Thanks for the opportunity to express where I'm at, Jack.

-Larry Saidman


25 Mar 13 - 04:05 PM (#3494765)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

There are plenty of respectful people here.

But there are also button pushers and people who allow their buttons pushed. Believe me those buttons are well worn. Which explains 2 % of members to make 80 % of the noise.

The good will is not evaporating. Its been like this a long time and before certain measures were taken a few years ago, it was much worse.

As an ex-pat Nflder, I know Penticton for one thing.

Were they the Bees or the B's?


25 Mar 13 - 04:07 PM (#3494766)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

The Vees


25 Mar 13 - 04:11 PM (#3494767)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

Really?

My excuse is a black and white tv with a coat hanger antenna many years ago.


25 Mar 13 - 05:16 PM (#3494794)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Richard Bridge

200 albums?

Several possibles from early Steve Miller Band.

Tommy. No other choice.

Several possibles from Floyd, and again Hawkwind.

Early Carthy?

13 Fires - Bluehorses.

How about some Blue Oyster Cult?

Several Kinks possibles.

Something from John Mayall.

Something produced by Spector, something Chris Meek, something Mickie Most.


25 Mar 13 - 05:21 PM (#3494796)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

:-)

Is that the "Richard Bridge Top 200 Albums of All Time" or do you have a back channel to Larry Saidman?


25 Mar 13 - 05:40 PM (#3494802)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Sorry, Richard. The only one that fits my top 200 is the John Mayall....I'm using "turning Point, although there are others of his probably just as good.


25 Mar 13 - 07:09 PM (#3494827)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

My top 200 would include "The Wall", Led Zepplin 4, Get Your Ya Yas out, The red and blue Beatles Greatest hits, and the Eagle's greatest hits.
Also
Stan Rogers Across the Breaks live.
Jim Croce - Don't Mess around with Jim
The Fleetwood Mac album before "Rumours"
"Don't Shoot Me I'm only the Piano Player" qualifies by the title alone.
Bob Marley - Legend

But no one want me to play my top 200 for them and rightfully so.


25 Mar 13 - 07:19 PM (#3494833)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bill D

Top 200 of all possible categories?

Top meaning best selling? Or just personal rankings?

Since this was started as a folk/blues site, I barely recognize the names noted so far. I could make a long list with names like Jeannie Robertson and Davey Stewart and Martin Carthy. ;.)

but hi there, Larry. See how it goes?


25 Mar 13 - 07:35 PM (#3494840)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

Hey, Larry...

First of all, welcome to the Catbox... Be sure to cover it up when you're finished...

200 best albums, huh???

I read that you like John Stewart... Me, too... I hope you include "California Bloodlines" in you final selection... I don't think I do any of those songs but I might... I have done "Belly Full of Tennessee" but I think that's the only John Stewart song I have done...

I'd throw in Paul Seibel's "Jackknife Gypsy" and Bob Martin's "Midwest Farm Disaster" in the folkie genre...

But I'm a blues player so any Top 200 that doesn't include Mississippi Fred McDowell, Johnny Shines and R.L. Burnside ain't gonna cut it...

Now for the chicks... No EmmyLou and you blew it... Also Patti Griffin...

Oh yeah, I went thru that country rock thing in the 70s... Had me a band called Doctor Rupert (me) and the Wiggly Digits... No, we should definately not be on your list but the Byrds "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" is a must...

More later... Maybe...

B~


25 Mar 13 - 08:01 PM (#3494852)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: gnu

Welcome. JtS has good advice re people who allow their buttons pushed making up part of 80% of the noise. If you don't push my buttons, that's down to at least 40% right there! I don't know who the other one's are but ya gotta a head start heads up from JtS.

Rentre! pi haule une bush, la! (Come on in and pull up a stump. Join us and have a seat.))


25 Mar 13 - 08:22 PM (#3494859)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Bobert, surprisingly a few of your selections actually make it on to mine. And, Bill D, it's certainly nothing to do with 'best selling'. (In fact, some might argue there is a reverse correlation).

But it's not just my favourites.....as in the 50's and 60's I had pretty dreadful taste, and some of that stuff I loved (and still do) is pretty awful.

So it really is my personal assessment of the 'best albums" (of those I heard, of course....which obviously eliminates many).

And absolutely, Jack, just like with you nobody may want me to play my top 200 albums for them.   But I'm going to anyway......and maybe one or two people (either because they are masochists, don't have much else to do in their spare time, or are simply 'curious') might listen.

And back to Bobert!   Absolutely. California Bloodlines is very high up! I considered Paul Seibel, but it didn't make the final cut. Emmylou's Roses in the Snow...for sure. Same with Sweetheart of the Rodeo.

In terms of traditional blues, I have a Big Blue Broonzy, Lonnie JOhnson, Dave Van Ronk, Paul Butterfield (Better Days)....and Skip Spence and Mississippi John Hurt almost made it. And probably a few others I can't think of off hand.   I really like what I've heard of R.L Burnside, but confess I've never heard a full album.

But again, really, who cares, eh?


25 Mar 13 - 08:35 PM (#3494862)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

Man , you gotta get outta that Piedmont style blues, man... It ain't gonna get yer pants leg a shakin'... Big Bill and Paul Butterfield okay but wouldn't be on my Top 200... Not even on my Top 500...

You gotta listen to the real blues and not that Sweet-n-low blues-lite stuff... You gotta kick it yup to the real deal, man... Get up with some Fred McDowell and R.L. Burnside and you'll be in the ballpark of the real blues...

I mean, ya' want yer Top 200 to fly then yer gonna have to strap on some real wings... Not cardboard wantabee wings...

BTW, John Stewart had a song on another LP that was the shits... I ain't sure what the title is but I think it's either "Kill All the Wild Horses" or "How Will We Ride"... Heck of a song... It came out a few years before he died but it said alot...

B~


25 Mar 13 - 09:20 PM (#3494878)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

Best two Blues artists ever are Muddy Waters and B.B. King. But I don't know their albums.


25 Mar 13 - 09:36 PM (#3494881)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

I love Muddy but with me and B.B. King??? "The trill is gone"... Been gone about 40 years...

B~


25 Mar 13 - 09:44 PM (#3494883)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

BTW, Larry, see how it works???

JtS and me tighter than tree bark but, hey, when you below the line then it's always a food fight...

I suggest Cheeze-Whiz 'cause it gives you some range... Kinda like the long bow and the rifle...

BTW, I'd also want at least one Humble Pie LP... If you are unaware then I'd start with "As Safe as Yesterday"... And a Spooky Tooth, too... Maybe "Last Puff"???

B~


25 Mar 13 - 10:40 PM (#3494898)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Rapparee

"Long Bow and the Rifle" sounds like a duet to me.

Lightnin' Hopkins, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Doc Watson and Chet Atkins for guitar work.


25 Mar 13 - 10:43 PM (#3494903)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Stilly River Sage

This is a delayed welcome - he has been posting under a guest name for three years. :)

SRS


25 Mar 13 - 11:16 PM (#3494913)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

I love Doc.


26 Mar 13 - 12:36 AM (#3494935)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Thanks folks,

Yes, it is a delayed welcome, but I'll take what I can get!

I get re-registered, then my cookies get erased and I'm back to being a guest. Some day I'll graduate to host.

But I must confess that I really enjoy the attention.

And Bobert, Shoot All The Brave Horses was originally on John Stewart's 4th album in 1971--The Lonesome Picker Rides Again. I agree--a great song!   He has re-recorded it on later albums as well...including some live ones.

Never got into Humble Pie, and I did like Gary Wright and Spooky Tooth. But to tell the truth I virtually stopped listening to rock-pop music throughout most of the late 60's and 70's....got back into it when I heard Patti Smith, The Boomtown Rats, Nick Lowe, Dave Edmunds, and Oingo Boingo.

The blues? No question, all those artists were great! Particularly liked Lightnin' Hopkins, but also Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker (when he wasn't being a 'one trick pony'), Junior Wells, and some of the really older guys....like Bo Chatman!   And Will Shade (Memphis Jugman). Bo Carter as well.

But many of my favourites didn't really put out full 'albums'...their singles were later compiled into albums. So that sort of disqualifies them for my "top 200 albums of all time".   

When I get a few programs downloaded onto Peach City Radio's upcoming live-stream, I'll let people know.


26 Mar 13 - 12:43 AM (#3494937)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

"Yes, it is a delayed welcome, but I'll take what I can get!"

Don't get used to it! :)

It was the first time I had seen you on a button pusher thread, I like the way you write and I didn't to see you chased off.

Bobert is wrong about B.B. I guess he hasn't seen him three times live. If you ever get a chance to see him up close do it!! His fingers are bigger than my thumbs. But he makes those strings singGGGGGG.

I saw Muddy too. That is how I know he was great without hearing any albums.


26 Mar 13 - 01:32 AM (#3494944)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

I actually saw B.B. a few months ago here in Penticton, and it was quite the disappointment.....his voice was still great, but he wasn't able to really 'cut it' musically, and kept repeating himself....singing You Are My Sunshine over and over again.   I felt very bad for this great legend! And he seemed like such a humble person, who really wanted to put on the best show possible.

His band was also disappointing. They came on, and the sax player started soloing.....in a different key from what the rest of the band was playing.

But I had seen him many many years before....and he certainly was one of the best of the best.


26 Mar 13 - 02:07 AM (#3494952)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

That is sad. Last time I had seen him was about 12 - 13 years ago at New Orleans jazz festival and at a stadium concert with Van the Man after that the same weekend. He had to sit through the show then. But he still could play.


26 Mar 13 - 09:10 AM (#3495044)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

BB King could never cut it musically... He's a one trick pony... You heard his riff once then you've heard everything he has... IMHO...

B~


26 Mar 13 - 12:54 PM (#3495114)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

It's fun to have my own thread. Thanks Jack.   I realize it will never be as popular as "obama=genocide".....but it will be an interesting horserace between me and Songwronger to see which one fades off the chart first.

I think that the 'one trick pony' comment is actually common to a lot of blues players, and it's one reason that, even though I can enjoy listening to many of them, few would make my "top 200".

I'm in the process of putting the shows together....I've made it from #200 to #160, and I don't know yet who's going to be #1.

Isn't that exciting?

And, of course, since there's no reason anybody would ever want to listen to Larry Saidman's Top 200 Albums of All Time, I'd be interested in any 'marketing' ideas.   How can I 'sell' it? (not that it costs anybody anything except time).


26 Mar 13 - 03:04 PM (#3495162)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

Well, of course you've got one of my CDs in that 200, don't cha, Larry???

B;~)


26 Mar 13 - 03:11 PM (#3495167)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

One trick? Maybe, BUT WHAT A TRICK. All I know is when I have seen B.B. three times. He played lots of different licks to lots of different tempos.

What he and Muddy did (more Muddy than B.B.), with some others invented a sound that lasted for generations. And they both put on a heck of show well into their old age.

Robert Johnson was not much of a player. But I hope he has earned y'alls respect!


26 Mar 13 - 03:13 PM (#3495169)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Well there's the three I mentioned---California Bloodlines (John Stewart), Roses in the Snow (Emmylou), and Sweetheart of the Rodeo (Byrds). Name a few others and I'll tell you if they're on there.

(I have selected the 200...I just don't know the order for all of them....particularly the top ones....yet).

One other thought: We should do this for all the regular and new mudcatters....put a 'welcome to' or 'we appreciate you' thread.   Maybe a different one every week. What do you think, Jack the Sailor and others?

Who should be next?


26 Mar 13 - 07:19 PM (#3495264)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

Feel free to do that. I told you why I started this one. If I see a situation like that I'll do it again. How about not making it a formal thing and if you want to know more about a catter start a thread, Or if you prefer a more egalitarian approach, just start a thread asking everyone to tell about them selves. But if you do that, I would suggest that good Mudcat manners would require you to acknowledge all posters.


26 Mar 13 - 07:33 PM (#3495269)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

In his day, JtS, Robert Johnson was so good that after his great disappearing act when he returned and could play well, blues players flocked from all over to hear him... He didn't want them to see how he did some of what he did so he turned his back on lots of his songs so they wouldn't figure out how he was doing all that stuff that, in reality, had never been done before...

With that said, I think that his buddy, Johnny Shines, who learned all that stuff off Robert, was the better of the two...

B~


26 Mar 13 - 08:13 PM (#3495284)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Sorry Bobert...once again I misunderstood.   The famous "Bobert" cd's. by "Doctor Rupert and the Wiggly digets".   I will look them up..if they've been digitalized.   But even if it turns out to be really wonderful, I probably couldn't put them on my Top 200, because it may just prove to be a 'flavour of the day'.   

In fact, it's one reason why there are virtually no modern recordings on it.   Most of them are from the 60's and 70's, a few from the 80's, some 90's, a touch of 1940's, and very little 1950's (when most lp's consisted of a couple 'hits' and a lot of 'filler').


26 Mar 13 - 08:48 PM (#3495300)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

"Doctor Rupert and the Wiggly Digits"??? Haha... Man, we didn't record anything... We just played all that ol' 70's country rock that everyone was playin'... It was a 3-4-5-6-7 piece band... lol...

No the only stuff I have recorded is "Sidewalk Bob" (me too)... It can be found...

B~


27 Mar 13 - 12:48 PM (#3495542)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

Just adding a post to keep pace with the genocide thread.


27 Mar 13 - 03:04 PM (#3495610)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Thanks Jack. But shouldn't it be as 'natural' a process as possible? What kind of a thread most 'draws' a mudcatter?   One that works on keeping us 'connected' to each other, or one that reinforces the excitement of a 'charged' conflict.....complete with innuendos, insults, strong emotions, distorted (and undistorted) logic used to prove the 'point' we want to make (as opposed to using such logic to open ourselves to different ways of thinking).   

If we look at what generates the greatest audience in terms of most media, it's no contest, is it.   The latter wins hands down!

(Of course, one might argue that this response I just made is going in the direction of turning this thread focusing on the former into one that focuses on the latter.   See how addictive that kind of thinking is? [smile]

-Larry


27 Mar 13 - 09:16 PM (#3495761)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Bobert

Larry...

Start a thread entitled "Best 200 _____" and it will do just fine...

B~


28 Mar 13 - 12:41 AM (#3495802)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard

Welcome and hi Larry!
I remember you from the " Is It Really Folk Music" thread.
You seem to be one of the more pleasant and sensible posters here at Mudcat.
That's always nice.
Good luck with your community radio station.
I volunteered and interned at one several years ago. WRFG 89.3.
Did a good bit of broadcasting.
Alot of fun.


28 Mar 13 - 01:07 AM (#3495805)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Thanks....do you prefer to be addressed as "Niggardly" or "Mr. Bastard".

Yes, there have been a few 'is it really folk music' threads.   The one I had the most energy for was one relating to whether a pop song could ever become 'traditional'....and if so, what is the criteria.   

Unfortunately no definitive answer was ever provided.

Where was the community radio station where you worked? Is it still going on today.   I was a music director, program director, then director of a campus radio station many years ago....U of A Radio in Edmonton, which later became CKSR, the CJSR.   When I was there we only had carrier current, but now it does do full on-air broadcasting. Many fond memories from those days, and maybe my exciting about Peach City Radio is an attempt to try 'relive' those days.

Keep on trucking.

-Larry


28 Mar 13 - 03:39 AM (#3495823)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Jack the Sailor

You are GfS aren't you?

LOL!


28 Mar 13 - 05:30 AM (#3495840)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard

89.3 Atlanta.
Still going strong.
I played Western Swing, Rockabilly, C&W, Hawaiian steel guitar tunes and of course Blues.
Good luck with it.


28 Mar 13 - 11:40 AM (#3495986)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

As soon as this thread sinks into the abyss, somebody else is going to post another welcome thread to a different new or old mudcatter.

I wonder who it will be? I wonder who will post it?   And I wonder if this one will 'sink' before the obama=..... thread.

So many small wonders in this world and in mudcat.

The only 'rule' I'd like to see on these welcoming threads is (even though the site is called 'mudcat', no mud-slinging.   

So far we're doing great!

-Larry


28 Mar 13 - 11:20 PM (#3496202)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Songwronger

Ray Charles' Atlantic recordings. Not sure what the album release would be, or if they even had albums back then. Probably 78's. Those sessions popped the lid off pop music. Destroyed the color line and made pop music universal.


28 Mar 13 - 11:21 PM (#3496204)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: Songwronger

Oh. John Prine's first album. Never get tired of that one.


29 Mar 13 - 02:09 AM (#3496242)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

Both great choices. Yes there were a few great Ray Charles albums on Atlantic, and I sort of forgot about those. I'll have to sample some of my favourites and see if |I can find a spot for them.

And did you know that Paul Anka 'discovered' John Prine?


29 Mar 13 - 11:20 PM (#3496598)
Subject: RE: BS: Welcome Larry Saidman.
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman

OK, time to say goodby to this thread, and 'welcome' or make an apprection thread to another mudcatter