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Deep voice vs falsetto

24 Oct 07 - 04:44 AM (#2177863)
Subject: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: Roger the Skiffler

One of the pleasures of being an old fart is to declare as fact preconceptions that usually don't stand up to scientific examination (example: women who wear thumb rings have at least one tattoo).
I've noticed over 60 years of listening to popular music that the deeper voices in men (and the higher ones in women) are rarely successful in the popular arena. There were exceptions (Barry White, Big Bopper, Tenessee Ernie Ford spring to mind) but men who sing high, and falsetto is often a feature of pop songs, seem to do best. Any theories as to why (if true?). I'm a fan of the deeper voice and never managed falsetto myself.

RtS
(Just fewer basses about?)


24 Oct 07 - 04:48 AM (#2177871)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: The Sandman

Paul Robeson was popular,Despite thefact he never yodelled.Dick Miles


24 Oct 07 - 05:53 AM (#2177917)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: McGrath of Harlow

Johnny Cash didn't do too badly.


24 Oct 07 - 07:18 AM (#2177963)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: Liz the Squeak

It's probably due to the fact that falsetto voices and higher pitched noises are heard better in crowded areas. If you're at a club or a disco and the noise is unbearable, the higher the song, the more likely it is to be heard. Low voices like Barry White and Isaac Hayes are more likely to be lost in the general row.

I have a thumb ring but I have no tattoos... but then again, I have a motorbike crash helmet, but no bike...

LTS


24 Oct 07 - 08:23 AM (#2178002)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: Backwoodsman

I once read that some trickcyclist (easier to spel than 'psychiatrist'!) reckoned that women like the girly-voice nancy-boy type of singer so prevalent in pop music because, subconsciously, they feel less sexually-threatened by that type than by what are euphemistically called 'Real Men' (i.e. deep-voiced and with a six-pack and shoulders like an ox). Could be true?


24 Oct 07 - 09:06 AM (#2178047)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: BusyBee Paul

BWM - Why do I always get the deep-voice wiath a Watney's Red Barrel but never hung like an ox?.



Deirdre


24 Oct 07 - 10:44 AM (#2178130)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: Backwoodsman

What are you trying to tell me Deirdre? :-) :-)


24 Oct 07 - 12:28 PM (#2178209)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: McGrath of Harlow

Hung like an ox? I doubt if you'd want them like that. Oxen are very big, but that's largely because they've been castrated. Bovine eunuchs.


24 Oct 07 - 12:36 PM (#2178213)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: Lowden Jameswright

To sing falsetto I've always found that it helps to put the Capo on high & quite tight


24 Oct 07 - 12:41 PM (#2178223)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: bankley

it might take a big rope and a forklift to properly hang an ox....

there was a country singer from Maine. Dick Curliss. He had the whole vocal range covered. Never heard anyone like him.Perfect pitch too. Merle Haggard's voice has dropped with age and smoke and he can still hit the highs.... class act vocally.... we'll leave the helium pipes to the Gibbs and Dolly Parton......


24 Oct 07 - 12:50 PM (#2178233)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: Lowden Jameswright

I once managed to shatter a wine glass when singing "Why why why why (Runaway)" in a pub; hope that doesn't put me in the "girly-voice nancy-boy type of singer" category BWM!


24 Oct 07 - 01:10 PM (#2178241)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: M.Ted

Pop music is most R&B /Jazz-based, and the lead vocals have to be light, they have to bounce off the beat, and they have to cut through, all of which are difficult to manage with a full chest deep voice--Add to that the fact that the full bass voice takes a while to mature--whereas, the kids(who, let's face it) drive the pop music market like the younger performers--

Rock and Pop harmony groups do use bass(though it's not a full chest voice), and let's not forget that Elvis and Jim Morrison sang in the Baritone range--so it is out there--


25 Oct 07 - 05:01 AM (#2178695)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: lady penelope

Actually, as a girlie, I prefer men with lower voices. Howard Keel and his ilk being real toe curlers for me.

When it comes to what singers I like it's a lot more complicated than what attracts me on a sexual basis. 'Girlie' female singers generally leave me cold and so do the boy band singers that sound similar. I don't really like child singers or choirs (puts me teeth on edge). But I do like people like Seth Lakeman. Now he's pretty high pitched, but there's obviously something that pleases my ear they way that Kate Rusby's doesn't.

When I figure it out, I'll let you know.....

I have 5 tattoos and no thumb ring... how's that work..?


25 Oct 07 - 08:07 AM (#2178771)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: closet-folkie

I'd just like to say that "Bovine Eunuchs" is a hell of a band name.


25 Oct 07 - 09:32 AM (#2178842)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: BusyBee Paul

BWM - I wasn't talking about you me dear, after all, Lucy might have been listening!.

;-)

Deirdre


26 Oct 07 - 08:28 AM (#2179607)
Subject: RE: Deep voice vs falsetto
From: closet-folkie

I think that Bowie does a pretty admirable job of both. I love how he goes from that exaggerated boomy baritone bit on the bridge of "DJ" where he sings "Time flies when you're having fun..." and then finishes it with a screaming falsetto--"I got believers...believing me!". Brilliant. The man can sing a bit can't he?