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Subject: Polly on the Shore
From: Doug Olsen
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 06:47 PM

anyone know anything about this song? I can't for the life of me remember who I learned it from! Sure has a weird tune tho.


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
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Date: 22 Mar 99 - 06:52 PM

In DT file POLLY ON THE SHORE


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: AndyG
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 05:33 AM

Or are you looking for Lester Simpson's Polly on the Shore

Ch:
So you may think about your Polly on the shore,
She'll be your mother, or your sister, or your whore
She'll be waving 'til you're safely out of view
Then she's looking for another sailor, gullible as you.

As it happens, I'll be seeing Coope, Boyes and Simpson tonight. I'll ask them if they object to my posting the words.

It was recorded on their first album Funny Old World.

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: sutnumin@hotmail.com
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 03:23 PM

You can listen to a version done by Fairport Convention on "nine" Good luck


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Mo
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 06:53 PM

So Andy, were they good? I'm a big fan of CB&S and have sailed with Lester on the Malcolm Miller/Sir Winston Churchill. Unfortunately they are not as well known in the north as they should be, so don't do much gigging up here, despite frequent pleas from me! One of these days I'll get to hear them live.....


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: John Moulden
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 07:58 PM

Come all you wild young men A warning take by me And mever to lead your single life astray Into no bad company

George (Pop) Maynard, Copthorne, Sussex, England, marbles champion of the world and one of the best singers of his generation. A great song and a great tune - odd to some ears though.

Maybe this is what you mean.

John


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: AndyG
Date: 24 Mar 99 - 05:31 AM

I spoke to CB&S last night, they'd no objection to posting the lyrics so I'll transcribe and post them later this week.

Mo,
'kin good they were too. A full house and turning the public away before the gig started! Good news for club and performers.
I didn't realise they didn't do gigs up north 'cos I see them about once a year at the club.
A little story here to give you hope. We only book them regularly at the club because I spent years badgering the committee (I wasn't a member then) to book Swan Arcade, and when they eventually tried, Swan Arcade had broken up but a new band Coope Boyes and Simpson had just formed.
So I advise that you keep up the pleas 'cos when they've been to club once, that club will book them again :)

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 21 Feb 01 - 02:26 PM

I'm looking for those lyrics AndyG was talking about. It is 2001. WHAT'S GOING ON?


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Subject: Lyr Add: POLLY ON THE SHORE ^^ (Lester Simpson)
From: MMario
Date: 21 Feb 01 - 02:57 PM

POLLY ON THE SHORE
(Lester Simpson)

She was used she was abused she never knew she was a victim
A drunken father's pleasure before she was half grown
Her Ma ignored and she endured until one night in anger
She broke the bottle on his head and launched out on her own

So you can think that she's your Polly on the shore
She'll be your mother or your sister or your whore
She'll be waving 'til you're safely out of view
Then she's looking for another sailor gullible as you

She headed down to Sailortown began her education
But Polly knew the only way to win was fighting back
She learned the ropes, fleeced the dopes and dreamed above her station
And she kept half of everything she ever stole from Jack

When the crimp said her Ma was dead she wished she could have cried
As rumours of a drunken murder spread to Sailortown
But Pa went free with drunken glee so Polly had him shanghai'd
He woke up on a hellship Yokohama bound

Now Polly dines on finest wines she is quite the lady
And she owns almost everything in dirty Sallortown
And Polly hires and Polly fires and Polly says what may be
Oh but maybe Polly can't forgot enough to settle down

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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 21 Feb 01 - 03:40 PM

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: MMario
Date: 21 Feb 01 - 03:44 PM

de nada - Our record is 4 years something, I think...


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 21 Feb 01 - 03:47 PM

What's de nada?


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: MMario
Date: 21 Feb 01 - 03:49 PM

basically "No problem"


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Garry Gillard
Date: 22 Feb 01 - 08:09 AM

Polly on the Shore is on Martin Carthy & Dave Swarbrick's Prince Heathen, and also on Martin Carthy: A Collection (1999).

One of the first songs I ever heard MC sing, and one of the top two, IMO.

Garry


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: thehippydragon
Date: 22 Feb 01 - 02:43 PM

Having just acquired the lyrics(thanks again MMario), it's come to my attention I only have a hazy memory of the tune. Can anyone help?


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: GUEST,David Botting
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 02:57 AM

I'm a newcomer to this.
I'm playing Martin Simpson's version (nearly!)but can't quite get the last line. Is it "If I had been wooed/ruled by you"
Any help welcome.


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: nickp
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 04:58 AM

Don't know what Martin sings but it should be 'ruled' - as in 'advised'


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 05:26 AM

Seems to be some confusion here- Pop Maynard/Carthy/Simpson song bears no relation to words given by MMario


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 05:31 AM

No Confusion Guest

The Maynard/Carthy/Simpson Song is a traditional song.
The MMario words, as stated, is a different song with the same name composed by Lester Simpson.

CB&S seem to like other song titles, "Bringing in The Sheaves" is one they've composed, but not the same as the hymn.


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:33 AM

For those with an interest in roots, Musical Traditions has issued a fine CD of Pop Maynard. Carried, of course, by CAMSCO Music


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 12:58 PM

Thanks for reviving this thread.

Charley Noble


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Subject: Lyr Add: POLLY ON THE SHORE
From: Roberto
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 02:14 PM

Here are the lyrics to three great recordings of Polly on the shore, sung by Pop Maynard; Martin Simpson; Roy Harris (under the title The Valiant Sailor). Bye. Roberto


a) Polly On The Shore, Pop Maynard, 1956 – We've received orders to sail (Topic)

Come all you wild young men
A warning take by me
And never to lead your single life astray
Into no bad company

As I myself have done
'T was in the merry month of May
When I was pressed by a sea captain
On board a man-o'-war I was sent
When I was pressed by a sea captain
On board a man-o'-war I was sent

We sailed on the ocean so wide
And our bonny bonny flag we let fly
Let every man stand true to his gun
For the Lord knows who must die
Let every man stand true to his gun
For the lord knows who must die

Our captain got wounded full sore
And so did the rest of his men
And our main mast rigging got scattered on board
So that we were obliged to give in
And our main mast rigging got scattered on board
So that we were obliged to give in

Our decks were all spattered with blood
And so loudly the cannons they did roar
And thousands of times have I wished myself at home
All along with my Polly on the shore
And thousands of times have I wished myself at home
All along with my Polly on the shore

She's a tall and a slender young girl
She's a dark and a rolling eye
And now here am I, lie bleeding on the deck
And for her sweet sake I will die
And now here am I, lie bleeding on the deck
And for her sweet sake I will die

Here's adieu to me father and my friends
Likewise my dear old mother too
I never should have crossed the salt sea so wide
If I had a-been ruled by her
I never should have crossed the salt sea so wide
If I had a-been ruled by her


b) Polly On The Shore,Martin Simpson, The Bramble Briar, Topic 2001

Come all of you wild young men
And a warning take by me
Never to lead your single life astray
Into no bad company

As I myself have done
Being in the merry month of May
When I was pressed by a sea captain
And on board a man-o'-war I did go
When I was pressed by a sea captain
And on board a man-o'-war I did go

We sailed on the ocean so blue
And our bonny bonny flag we let fly
Let every man stand true to his guns
For the lord knows who must die
Let every man stand true to his guns
For the lord knows who must die

Our captain was wounded full sore
So as the best of his men
Our main mast rigging lay scattered on the deck
And So we were obliged to give in
Our main mast rigging lay scattered on the deck
And so we were obliged to give in

Our decks they were spattered with blood
So loudly the cannons did roar
And many's the time have I wished meself at home
All along with my Polly on the shore

She's a fair and a tender girl
She's a dark and a rolling eye
Here am I, lie bleeding on the deck
And for her sweet sake I shall die
Here am I, lie bleeding on the deck
And for her sweet sake I shall die

Farewell to my parents and my friends
Farewell my dear Polly too
I never should have rambled the salt sea so wide
If I had been ruled by you
I never should have rambled the salt sea so wide
If I had been ruled by you


c) The Valiant Sailor, Roy Harris, in The Valiant Sailor, Songs & Ballads of Nelson's Navy, Topic 12TS232, 1974, after Roy Palmer's book The Valiant Sailor, 1973

Come all you wild young men
And a warning take by me
And see you go no more, my brave boys,
Into any strange foreign country
Into any strange foreign country
And see you go no more, my brave boys,
Into any strange foreign country

As I myself have done
The very last day of May
It was then that I parted from all my friends
For I could no longer stay
For I could no longer stay
It was then that I parted from all my friends
For I could no longer stay

From Portsmouth Town I went
To London t'was my intent
But by the press masters I was pressed
And to the sea I was sent
And to the sea I was sent
But by the press masters I was pressed
And to the sea I was sent

We sailed all that long night
And part of the very next day
The first ship we spied was a French man o' war
And at length we were forced to draw nigh
And at length we were forced to draw nigh
The first ship we spied was a French man o' war
And at length we were forced to draw nigh

We bore our head up right
And our bonny flag we let fly
And then every man he was prepared
But the Lord knows who should die
But the Lord knows who should die
And then every man he was prepared
But the Lord knows who should die

Our captain being wounded full sore
And seventeen more of our men
Our yards and mast and rigging they were all shut away
And at length we were forced to give in
And at length we were forced to give in
Our yards and mast and rigging they were all shot away
And at length we were forced to give in

Our decks were all covered with blood
And so loudly the grey guns they did roar
And many is the thousand times I've wished myself at home
All along with my Polly on the shore
All along with my Polly on the shore
And many is the thousand times I've wished myself at home
All along with my Polly on the shore

She's a tall and a slender girl
With a black and a rolling eye
And here I lie, a-bleeding on the deck
And it's all for her sake I shall die
And it's all for her sake I shall die
And here I lie, a-bleeding on the deck
And it's all for her sake I shall die


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: RolyH
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 05:40 PM

Was also done by the 70's folk rock band Trees on the album 'On the Shore' (CBS 64168)


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: GUEST,Gerhard Weydt
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:18 AM

As this is clearly a traditional song, you should eliminate the attribution to Randy Newman in the DT.


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 09:45 PM

Umm, yes, you are absolutely right Guest,Gerhard. And, it has been noted before... but these things change slowly. I'm putting a note in the "DT Attribution and Minor Corrections Permathread" where these sorts of notes are compiled for future revisions.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:34 PM

A singer has the right to copyright lyrics to his own version, but I agree that the method of citation used in the DT is misleading.

The Traditional Ballad Index cites "The Irish Boy's Garland" (1744) as the first example of "Polly on the Shore" (The Valiant Sailor) that they found.
Also see "Polly Dear" in the Bodleian Library.

A study thread might be useful for versions of this song.


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:17 PM

The thing is, it doesn't appear that Randy Newman ever recorded the song, so I have to wonder how his name got attached here at all (unless there's another Randy Newman than the "Short People" one, who doesn't show up on Google). Like so many other folk music mysteries, we may never know the answer. ;-)

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:45 PM

Strange. I couldn't find him associated with the song as writer, arranger or 'composer.'
The DT entry was submitted by JY- who was he? Perhaps only The Shadow knows-


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Subject: RE: Polly on the Shore
From: Garry Gillard
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 09:13 PM

This is the current address of the version sung by Martin Carthy.

Polly on the Shore

Martin Carthy sings

Come all you wild young men
And a warning take by me,
Never to lead your single life astray
And into no bad company.

As I myself have done,
It being in the merry month of May,
|: When I was pressed by a sea-captain
And on board a man-o-war I was sent. :|

We sailed on the ocean so wide
And our bonny bonny flag we let fly.
Let every man stand true to his gun
For the Lord knows who must die.

Oh our captain was wounded full sore
And so were the rest of his men.
Our main mast rigging it was scattered on the deck
So that we were obliged to give in.

Oh our decks they were spattered with blood
And so loudly the cannons did roar;
|: And thousands of times have I wished myself at home
And all along with my Polly on the shore. :|

She's a tall and a slender girl,
She's a dark and a-rolling eye,
|: And here am I lie a-bleeding on the deck
And for her sweet sake I would die. :|

So farewell to me parents and me friends,
Farewell my dear Polly too.
|: I'd ne'er would have crossed this salt sea so wide
If I had have been ruled by you. :|

Shirley Collins sings

Come all you wild young men
And a warning take by me,
Never to lead your single life astray
And into no bad company.

As I myself have a-done,
It being in the merry month of May,
When I was pressed by a sea-captain
On board a man-o-war I was sent.

Now we sailed on the ocean so wide
And our bonny, bonny flag we let fly.
Let every man stand true to his guns
For the Lord knows who must die.

And our captain was wounded full sore
And so were the rest of his men.
Our main mast rigging was scattered on the deck
So that we were obliged to give in.

And the decks were all spattered with blood
And so loudly the cannons did roar;
And thousands of times have I wished myself at home
And all along with my Polly on the shore.

She's a tall and a slender girl,
She's a dark and a-roving eye,
But here am I lie a-bleeding on the deck
And for her sweet sake I shall die.

So farewell to me parents and me friends,
Farethewell, my dear Polly too.
|: I never should have crossed this salt sea so wide
If I had have been ruled by her. :|

Trevor Lucas sings

Come all you wild young men and a warning take by me
Never lead your single life astray or into bad company
As I myself have done, being all in the month of May
When I, as pressed by a sea captain, a privateer to trade
To the East Indies we were bound to plunder the raging main
And it's many the brave and a galliant ship we sent to a watery grave
Ah, for Freeport we did steer, our provisions to renew
When we did spy a bold man-of-war sailing three feet to our two

Oh, she fired across our bows, “Heave to and don't refuse
Surrender now unto my command or else your lives you'll lose”
And our decks they were sputtered with blood
And the cannons did loudly roar
And broadside and broadside a long time we lay
Till we could fight no more
And a thousand times I wished meself alone,
All alone with me Polly on the shore

She's a tall and a slender girl with a dark and a-rolling eye
And here am I, a-bleeding on the deck
And for a sweet saint must die
Farewell, me family and me friends, likewise me Polly too
I'd never have crossed the salt sea wide
If I'd have been ruled by you
And a thousand times I saw meself again,
All alone with me Polly on the shore

Acknowledgements

Transcribed from the singing of Martin Carthy by Garry Gillard.


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