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Subject: BS: Jade
From: jimlad9
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:46 AM

Jade is in the back of a car so who is driving?.

The policeman
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What does Jade use for protection during sex?.

A Bus Shelter
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How do you know when Jade has a orgasm?.

She drops her bag of chips


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:07 AM

???????????

Who is Jade?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Alba
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:09 AM

I thought it was the stone in the very nice earrings a friend sent me for my Birthday but I haven't bought them any chips since I got them, do you think my Jade earrings are hungry Mary?:)
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:14 AM

Jade Goody is the 'star' of Big Brother, the reality TV show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Alba
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:19 AM

Ah see now I wouldn't know Jade Goody from Bill Oddy or any of the other Goodies for that matter!:)
As for watching something called "Big Brother" well....never have so....therein lies the confusion..
Thank you Manitas for the info.
Have a good day at Work...of course you will it's FRIDAY! Hopefully you don;t work weekends..*smile*
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:26 AM

I see she has a perfume named after her in the shops. I can't imagine what it smells of, and I don't think I want to find out :-)

Even before the latest Big Brother controversy involving her, I can't understand why anyone, however intellectually challenged, would want to buy a perfume associated with her. Or why a company would consider her good for marketing anything.

But I gather she has made a lot of money from making a fool of herself on TV, so she can't be stupid in every way, in spite of her celebrated ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:37 AM

Jade is loud mouthed and not too careful what she says when she is angry but in the case of her argument with Shilpa..it was NOT racist. The only possibly offensive thing she did was to call her puppadom and it was done in fun(wrong all the same). Jade was bullying her verbally but I maintain it was made to seem racist by the media and Jade has been treated unjustly. What does everyone else who saw it think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Alba
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:40 AM

Well Scrump the same could be said of Paris Hilton who also has a perfume of her own.
Eau de Eegit I think it's called:)
Now who would want to go around smelling like that..*giggle*
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:42 AM

Jade is loud mouthed and not too careful what she says when she is angry

Is she ever careful what she says? That would imply some sort of ability to think :-)

As for the 'racist' issue, no, I didn't see it, but I expect as usual the media have exaggerated the seriousness of it. However, almost anyone except her would probably have known better than to say anything like that, knowing they were being broadcast to the nation.

I say 'almost', because I gather that the Scouse girl (some footballer's girlfriend or something equally worthy of fame) said worse things than Jade (but as I say, I didn't see it myself).


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Hawker
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:03 AM

I agree that Danielle (The scouse girl) was worse, but I dont think that Jade can be accused of being a racist - a bully maybe but not racist. In fact, she is of mixed race origin herself - her paternal Grand Father is from the West Indies.
Cheers, Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Bee
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:15 AM

What the heck is a 'scouse girl'? I don't see this show, btw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM

Scouse or scouser = from Liverpool


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM

"Pappadum" to an indian is not racist? What planet are you from?

"you may be a princess back in [something] land" to a foreigner is not racist? Hello??

And since when has "I'm not a racist bully, just a bully" been a defence?

Jade Goody is a disgrace to any civilisation. And she always was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:27 AM

There used to be an aftershave called "Jade East" but I don't think it's made anymore. I bought some jade for my wife, opals too. But I became jaded with TV long ago and don't watch much of it now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:27 AM

I believe that there needs to be an intent if racism has to be proved in court Richard...the way puppadom came out was not malicious..neither was the FACT that she may be a princess in.......India..Australia....Timbucktoo...anywhere...."but here you're 'normal',the same as everyone else" was what Jade said, not you are different!!!!. The bullying has been admitted but I still believe that Jade was not being racist in her comments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:39 AM

I have a jade plant near my house. It's supposed to be lucky and bring me money. Still waiting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

TV + "reality show"   Are we going to play the oxymoron game again?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Gizmo
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

Scrump - Someone I knew at an engagement party on the 30th Dec 06 was wearing the perfume Jade. On this woman it suited her, although nothing like Jade in ant terms! The smell is incredibly sweet and stickly (sickly and sticky rolled into one) - not to cloying like other types can be.

I personally would not wear that perfume, the scent would not suit me.

My dad works at the school Jade used to go to.
My friend lives next door to her uncle (her mum's twin - no less). He is completely different to Jackie and Jade. I have met Jackie (Jades mum) once. She was at the bus stop as me, and she was there with her girlfriend. They started talking to me, then she was saying things about Jade. I promptly replied - "Oh so you're related to Kevin then?" Which thus turned into one long conversation. - I had too much to drink, and all I wanted to do was go home, but this woman does chat on.

There is more to Jades background then many realise.

Even so, I still think she is a disgrace to herself (long before the racism blow - which I think went way out of proportion.

I think that there is something wrong with society and BB and the media, to promote this girl, who in all fairness, does not have the ability to think before she reacts, and put her on a pedestal to make herself look foolish for 'entertainment'. I find it cruel. It's not much different than putting a blindfold on a monkey, and laughing when he falls off the trees.

It's cruel. And wholly immoral.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:03 PM

...Actually I've heard that Jade Goody is so repentant about the bullying incident that she aims to change her religion and become a Muslim, she's also changing her name to Yahfat Fuquar


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:04 PM

I haven't seen the show nor had I ever heard the woman's name before but I'm getting confusing bits of information here.

It appears that Jade Goody's perfume is labeled 'Shh...'.

'Jade Perfume' (at least one of them)profits is aimed at children in need, based in Minnesota .

http://www.jadefoundation.org/perfume.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:07 PM

Now, I've never heard of this lady before. However, I'm always interested in the differences between versions of the "English" language. From my (American) point of view, calling someone of South Asian extraction a "pappadum" is rather like calling a jew "bagel." Stupid, certainly - I suppose maybe insulting, depending upon the tone of voice - but racist? If I say to the wife of one of the young Windsor men (are any of them married? no matter, for this question) "you may be a princess back in England, but...," how is that a racist comment? Just wondering.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:07 PM

Chuck and Camilla are coming to Philadelphia (may already be here, for all I know). He might be the Clown Prince back in Blighty, but here he's just a tourist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Scoville
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:15 PM

I don't think it's the worst they could have called her but I think it's at least mildly racist, not unlike calling a Mexican a "bean-eater". Just because it's not in common usage and we're not used to hearing it as an accepted racial term doesn't mean it's not racist. I might get called a "princess" in the sense of a coddled young woman, but it's unlikely anyone would think to call me a "pappadum" since I'm not South Asian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:35 PM

In the context that they were bullying, to then call someone a 'poppadom' is then a racial slur....after all, they wouldn't have called her that were Shilpa not Indian (well actually they MIGHT, I suppose...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Spot
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 02:35 PM

Allo everybody...
                  This Jade character seems a bit Neanderthal to me, sorta reminiscent of a "missing link"...

                  That tv programme is completely beyond my comprehension..... but , so are most of 'em....

                  Regards to all

                         Spot


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 02:58 PM

Jade Goody comes from a world where you say whats on your mind, you dont stop to think, because if you do, youve got worse coming to you, her antics were not racist, her approach was bullying, but thats just a by product of the world she grew up in. In her defence though, she has come a long way in the last few years, she has obviously worked hard and created a media world around her, her business acumen has actually been very good. If i was in that position and Shilpa had said to me that the only claim to fame i had was because i had spoken to her. i think i can say hand on heart i would have got the hump as well. Shilpa is a lovely girl, but she has absolutely no idea of the world that Jade comes from. i hope this doesnt cost jade her career, she doesnt deserve to be thrown back to a life of social poverty because of an ill timed rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scoville
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:04 PM

Being a hard worker and being raised to say what's on one's mind doesn't mean one is not also racist. I don't know if she is or not, but I hope she at least learns that, as far as she may have come, she needs to learn to think before she flaps her mouth. And it doesn't matter at all if Shetty knows or doesn't know the reality of Jade's upbringing. I know a lot of people who were raised using "ni**er" casually, too, but that doesn't make it any less disgusting in the real world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:25 PM

Absolutely, scoville, I dont know if you saw the first BB with her in it, but she has come a long way since then, lets not shoot her down over a few silly words that have been taken out of all context by the media vipers. Might be a good idea to encourage her and not persecute her, we need to encourage others to follow in her footsteps and believe that the only way out of the slums is not through drug dealing and prostitution... just a thought, but i dont think i´m far off the mark, and in my experience, i reckon she might have come across people from ethnic minorities before, considering where she comes from. If she was racist, it would have been obvious before this media witch hunt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 05:01 PM

"Pappadum" to an indian is not racist? What planet are you from?

If you (or an Indian) called me a sliced wholemeal or a jaffa cake - would that be racist?

There was a very successful TV sketch show (with an Indian cast) that made fun of Indian culture with comments that went much further than anything said about India on Big Brother.

The show is about watching individuals falling out.

Because one of them decided to state that she was there to represent the whole sub-continent - this does not mean that anyone falling out with this one Indian person is insulting India or is racist for not being seen to like her.

It may turn out to be a game winning stategy, if a dangerous one but it is this and the attitudes demonstrated by this individual that have turned a simple personal spat on a game show - into a major row - if a totally spurious one.

If you want to find some justifcation for the serious labels our disgraceful media are encouraging the public to call Jade Goody - you can find them - even if you have to scratch around a bit.

But the show is about choosing who to boo and who to cheer. In such a climate, it is not possible to be objective. And serious charges like calling someone a racist bully on the front page of a newspaper - is something that does need an objective assessment.

Those of us who have actually been watching the show (at least like me up to the point when the show's makers and Channel 4 sacrificed Jade to save themselves from the media induced witch-hunt) will have noticed some real racist attitudes and comments.

I am sure that Jermaine Jackson is not going the be denied his eviction night audience and be quized over his attitudes and comments in the same way as Jade was. But it was these - behind the scenes attitudes - that did poison the atomosphere and flamed the disputes - rather than calming them.

It has passed without much comment that the journalist evicted from the house referred to Jackiey (Jade's mother) as being 'sub normal'.

That Ken Russell stated to Jade that she had a screw loose.

Or that Jermaine Jackson referred to certain of his housemates as 'white trash' and told another that the reason she was not liked was the colour of her skin.

The point is that this show and the channel that hosts it have many responsibilites. Being seen to be giving equal protection to all of its contestants is one of them. One that they badly failed to do with Jade.

The official line was that no racism was displayed - so why was Jade allowed by the makers and channel to be the scapegoat for the racism the makers claim was not displayed?

Jade Goody, to my mind is the only one to come out of this with any credit. What you get with her - is exactly what it says on the tin.

She was put in to achieve a reaction from her snobby housemates, who had to wait on Jade and her family. Then having caused the disired reaction - she (and her mother) was hung out to dry and take the flak that was due to the show's makers and the channel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 02:50 AM

What planet are you from?

Richard - is there a term to be carelessly tossed around - for those od us who would discriminate against Martians?

Having seen the second of the three girls labelled by the media as racist bullies be evicted last night and also denied their 'normal' interview - it is now clear exactly what a storm in a tea-cup this was and how mis-judged the show's over-reation has been to it.

Davina, who for some housemates suddendly has become Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight - looked silly trying to grill a girl who honestly considered that she had done little wrong, did not apoligise and stated that it was all being blown out of all proportion - which was plainly seen to be the case.

The show's makers must stick to it claims for the show and not seen to be swayed by outside pressure (mostly from those who do not watch the show and who cannot see the editing clips in their true context).

Had they been seen to address the racist attitudes first openly displayed on the show by Jermaime Jackson and the later displays of prejudice on the grounds of class or mental illness - non of the later fuss would have occured.

Ironically it is Jremaine Jackson who is seen to be 'nice' and likely to win.

I am not sure what this is saying about our current society but it does not sound very heathly to me - or bode very well for the future.

For the record. Whatever planet they may have come from - Jade did not in fact call anyone a poppadom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 02:52 AM

Well done the shambles, couldnt have put it better myself......The programme you are talking about is called "Goodness Gracious Me" the scene is going out for an English. Really funny stuff....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SE_qJ_hkg


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: eddie1
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:14 AM

If I can throw in my tuppenceworth.
I have never watched Big Brother, or indeed any of the so-called reality shows (is what happens on them reality?) except, by accident, late at night when channel-flicking and have quickly moved on.
My knowledge of Jade Goody is only from newspapers and having seen clips of her on a couple of news progs on TV. She comes across to me as a not very clever person who has lucked out for a reason I don't understand, giving her an importance in her own eyes and those of many others that she does not merit. She is so sorry about the racist accusation that she has given her fee for BB to a children's charity and intends going to India to apologise thus keeping her name to the fore even after she has been chucked out of the BB house. I can picture her arrival in India. "Do you have anything to declare?" "Yes, I'm sorry." "Right. Next!"
When the whole racist thing exploded, my sympathies were entirely with Shilpa, an incredibly beautiful young lady, famous in her own country as a model and film star and being quite unjustly attacked by three British ladettes.
I subsequently read that the main reason for her getting into the BB thing was to get her name known over here and to break into the British film scene. She has certainly achieved the first of these, for the second, only time will tell.
She and Jade have issued a joint statement to the effect that what was said was not racist after all.
The boss of Channel 4 has admitted that without the controversy BB was in danger of becoming boring!
Now, I have no idea what to think – and I really don't care.

Eddie


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: John J
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:46 AM

I don't watch the programme, my only exposure to Jade is through news broadcasts. IMHO the whole thing is a well-engineered publicity exercise. An apparently successful one at that, after all there's no such thing as bad publicity.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:08 AM

I question whether a newspaper article such as the one on the front page of the Daily Mirror which started with the words - Racist bully Jade Goody - can be anything other than the very worse publicity possible.

After the eviction - last nights show featured a conversation with the remaining housemate's veiws about the Indian community.

It was instigated when Shilpa asked if there would be many people from India would be voting or present in the eviction audience....

The remarks from one of the American housemates Dirk Benedict - would if coming from any of the other homegrown housemates - have been sure to have started another race row.

He was pointed out that what he referred to as the native 'Brits' were soon to be outnumbered by the Indian 'Brits' - as he quoted statistics which showed that the Indians produced more children than the native 'Brits'.

I am sure that on his exit, he will not be grilled over these comments in the same way as Jade and now Jo have been.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alec
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:14 AM

Does seem a heavy-hande coincidence that all this blew up just as this witless show was dying on its feet.
Loss of lucrative sponsorship money might be seen as something of an "own-goal" though.
Some Reality TV is enjoyable,I personally love "Strictly Come Dancing" a show which has a live band & yet is STILL less orchestrated than BB.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 09:38 AM

Jade is everything i hate about this country,a vile uneducated member of an underclass that has been allowed to develop here


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alan Day
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 10:49 AM

When Jade Goody originally appeared on the Big Brother programme she became a cult figure in the same way as someone gets up on stage and is so bad that everyone screams for more.Her education is sadly lacking ,but she has a good personality and as already said speaks her mind without engaging her mind.On the strength of doing so well on the Big Brother programme she has been plunged into TV programmes,even The Weakest link and did as well as one would expect.She has made a great deal of money on the back of the original programme that made her name.In exactly the same way the programme makers have plunged her back into the Big Brother programme with a group of people that it was obvious she would not get on with.In my view she was set up and ruined by the very people who made her famous.
She was lucky to get her break,she made the wrong decision to go back on the programme and has suffered the consequences.
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 10:54 AM

GUEST ib48...what does that make you? You obviously consider yourself something greater than Jade G.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 11:38 AM

Oh dear ib48, nice to hear a balanced opinion. I bet youve got a chip on both shoulders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Gizmo
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:14 PM

FWIW - Jade had the same opportunity as everyone else here to have a good education - in fact the school she went to was and still is very good for it's type.

She has not IMO got a very nice personality, and neither has she the excuse of how she was brought up, as there were plenty of other stable family members trying to get her to do better. Her problem lies in the fact that like her mum, she is stubborn, does not like to be told, and does not think before she flaps her mouth.

I found her awful in the BB where she got her fame. Her behaviour caused embarrassment to many who knew her. She speaks her mind, as she knows it, but then she does not get all the facts of her judgements. She also is not entirely honest, with what she says, thinks and does. She is however naive - despite thinking she is big.

She was a bully. She has had a hard life (who in this area of living hasn't?).

I have never agreed with her behaviour or attitude, the fact that she got praised and encouraged for it, just goes to show what a nasty little society I live in. What does this show our teenagers? children? She could be an example I agree, but a role model? Never!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:00 PM

The fact that views about Jade's personality, fame and wealth divide public opinion is not in doubt.

Those who dislike her personality, fame and wealth perhaps should be aware that their feelings towards her alone - do not make her what our media have accused her (and others) of. I fear that was what was behind all this fuss which arose from an argument about stock cubes on a TV show.

Such accusations requires an objective judgement that cannot be made in such a climate.

This used to be thought of proudly as a fair country - but jealousy of those of our ranks who have risen to make good, seems to be behind the sort of outragous treatment that is openly displayed and reserved for public figures like Jade, David Beckham and his wife.

Where so-called football fans feel it is acceptable to shout out to David Beckham that they hope his children die.

That our media are irresponsible enough to judge and treat these public figures as if they were not real flesh and blood people with feelings just like us, but some sort of cardboard cut-outs is one thing - it does not mean that we must follow this example.

I suggest that it is vital that we do not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:10 AM

I think a lot of the publics anger directed towards jade is actually misdirected. She was celebrated for her ignorance and put onto a media pedestal, where she sold glossy mags and was allowed down sporadically to voice her opinions on mid day time filler shows.

Four years on and the public are given another large dose of jade and realise that they misguidedly ever put this woman on a pedestal in the first place. The British public love an underdog. Jade provided that role without trying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Penny S.
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 10:55 AM

I think that Jade was used, as was, probably, her mother - I only saw a few tiny snatches, as I try to avoid the program. If a company runs a program which is predicated on huniliation of the participants, and the snatches I have seen since it started have never contradicted that impression, and which deliberately includes people who will not get on together, then it is the fault of the producers if there is bullying - and any bullying is unacceptable - and people getting hurt.

I am sorry for Jade. I started off feeling very differently about her behaviour, but I don't think it was her fault. The producers knew what she was like, and that she was not manipulating enough to handle the situation to her advantage.

There was one tiny little tell in the news footage of Shetty hearing that Jade was voted out which I did not like. She could have looked relieved that her bully was going. She could have looked happy that she was staying. But for a tiny second, she had an expression I have seen at school, that goes with a girl who has arranged for someone to get into trouble, and has succeeded in her aim. You know, the one that's called "the cat who's got the cream". Most infuriating at school, but makes one determined to get the evidence on that person and sort them out. And it's hard to do it. I'm surprised she hadn't learned not to show that face. I may, of course, be wrong in my interpretion, but the person I was watching with saw it too, and read it the same way.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 11:35 AM

I ageed with Jade.

The Indian woman was an idiot, an overbearing stupid nasty piece of work.

There were three women in there who regularly cook for their families. yet she insisted on serving an enormous chicken after only cooking it for 45 minutes. Dingbat Jackson agreed with her. It made everyone sick . She insists on cooking when its quite obvious - she has never done a hands turn in her life. Still she shoos everyone else out of the kitchen. Complete arrogant moron!

JJ was going on about how ghe missed his family. he was lucky Shilpa didn't send him home in box with ecoli poisoning. would have served the dopey shit stirer right.

Not that I watch it a lot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alec
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:08 PM

Shilpa won.
For what it's worth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:46 PM

Yeh I saw that. She owes it all to Jade.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:47 PM

Not sure that the result was ever in doubt from the moment Shilpa played the race card (and then pretended not to have played it).

But there was only one winner as far as I am concerned. Jade is worth more than the rest of her housemates and her many critics put together, and is the only one who has come out of this sorry mess with any credit.

Did anyone notice any notable ommissions in what was referred to as Jermaine's gems?

He was not quizzed unlike the three girls (and Jack) were and there was no mention of his reference to his housemates as 'white trash'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:56 AM

i have no chip,i just hate blatant ignorance,am i so wrong to think this.Why do you not find her a vile untalented git?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:08 AM

What Jade Goodey seems to represent is the celebration of ignorance that seems to have become the hallmark of white working class culture in the UK. Now that so many of the English seem to be desperate to be bourgeois, the minority left behind in the working class seem to have made boorishness into a badge of honour.
It's interesting that Goodey comes from Bermondsey. It's always been dirt poor, but it had its share of Passmore Edwards libraries and WEA centres. It's where the locals joined with immigrants to see off Mosley's facists in the Thirties. Today, however - if Goodey is representative - the white working class of Bermondsey have no interest in learning and less in tolerance.
For me this whole affair is as much about class as race. Shilpa Shetty was perceived as a toffee-nosed snob by the three white-trash women in the house, and her race was merely a stick with which to beat her. Had she been Anglo, she would have had the same disgraceful treatment from the slatterns, with Goodey as their cheerleader.
To say that she is worth more than the housemates and critics put together is, I hope, misplaced irony. She is a vulgar peasant with abhorrent views and disgusting behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:35 AM

that's the difference between the officer class Captain, and us peasants - you Komissars may prefer The Internationale and peasant girls dancing in their wellies, before a bracing seminar and inspirational address getting to the bottom of what Karl Marx really meant, give me the song of the vulgar boatmen anytime....


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Trevor
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:08 AM

'You are watching Big Brother' - Ha!

I suppose as we become more and more innured to bad language, crap behaviour and intolerance it will become more and more extreme.

Hence Jeremy Clarkson referring last night to Jade being a 'pig-faced, racist, waste of skin and organs'.

(And I'm afraid to say that, apart from that comment, which made me feel sick, and the feature about Richard Hammond's crash which I found quite moving - and a bit scary - Top Gear last night made me laugh more than any other telly programme in the last three months)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:37 AM

Tempest in a toilet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:56 AM

Our country is open and welcomes all cultures - except seemingly the reality the still class ridden and snobby one that is our own. Which we are quick to judge and try and distance ourselves from.

Shilpa claiming that she found our culture strange and wondering if it would accept her is a bit of joke when a recent poll established that the nation's favourite dish was Tandoori Chicken.

Jermaine Jackson's comments were put to him in a radio interview this morning. He claimed he was only stating was was said by others and that he liked and did not consider Jade to be racist.

To my best recollection, he was the only one in the house who referred to this and said that: in my country they would be referred to as white trash.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:27 AM

And he's right - so they would. I don't think Jade is racist; but she made some remarks that can certainly be interpreted as racist, albeit with a very sensitive filter. The whole set of circumstances and the spat that ensued had more to do with class differences, in my opinion, than racism.

I believe Captain Ginger is correct in this at least: She represents a celebration of ignorance that has become more prevalent in England in the last few years, but is in no way a new "fruit". Twenty years ago, shopping for a few basics at a corner shop, I put my basket next to the till when my turn came, and put next to it the precise change needed, as I had worked it out while picking up the things I wanted - a habit of mine, as I like practicing mental arithmetic. When the girl totted up the bill by scanning the items in and realised I had already doen the sums in my head, instead of smiling and cracking a joke, or even saying nothing, she felt OFFENDED, as if I had tried to put her down in some way - so her reaction was: "Who is a clever bastard, then?" with a sneer. It could only have happened in England. It certainly never did in all the other countries I lived.

I don't know why such a celebration of ignorance finds a foothold here. Perhaps it is a phoney "class war" reaction? I do know this though: Being working class does not mean being ignorant, or impolite, or unduly aggressive, or abusive. Not here, not anywhere. Therefore it must take more than class difference to breed the Jade Goodys of this world.

No, I don't hate her or pity her in the least. She doesn't "disgust" me. But sure as hell, neither do I admire her!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:44 AM

2 things rise to the top, cream, and scum. It would appear that what we suffer from in this country is the inability to tell the difference between the two.
G ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM

It appears that Jade Goody's perfume is labeled 'Shh...'

Yes, the makers were banned from printing the full word :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:35 AM

I think youre spot on Ginge...

...though I know nothing about Bermondsey, & I'll have to take your word for it re that part.

Shambles, I think youre just trying to be deiberately contrary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:56 AM

And he's right - so they would. I don't think Jade is racist; but she made some remarks that can certainly be interpreted as racist, albeit with a very sensitive filter. The whole set of circumstances and the spat that ensued had more to do with class differences, in my opinion, than racism.

First off - did you actually watch the show live?

For all of the comments picked out and headlined really have to be taken in the context of the show and the attitudes intentionally encouraged.

This time, the label of racist was flagged up first in the media and then the attempt started to find some comments to support this. That is why the attempts to see any valid racist interpetations in Jade's comments in particular look so pathetic - now the show is over and the whole thing is being seen in proportion.

The last celeb BB introduced a token non-celeb - and this worked very well. But the result this time of the intentional attempt to repeat this success and mix the two types of BB suggests that the first attempt to expose and make fun the snobbery of our celebs was a lucky fluke.

Leo Sayer did a pretty good job on his own of demonstrating the ludicrous nature of this snobbery. I rather like the definition that being thought a celebrity is being allowed to bore ordinary people in conversations with the ordinary people thinking that it is their fault.

But like it or not (and clearly many did not like and were jealous of this) Jade, who probably would not consider herself to be one, was now a celebrity. Her family however - who (some of) the celebs were expected to play servant and wait on - were not. This was at the root of most of the patronising snobbery created and reactions to it which many found unpleasant watching but which was the quite intentional design of the makers.

But this was not taking in to account the attitudes of Jermaine Jackson who appeared (certainly at first) to see his insecurities as rooted in terms of race and Shilpa who quite intentionally played the race card and would have sold her grandmother in order to win and further her career.

And it was not taking in to account all of those weak characters who claim to have been fence-sitting - but were not. The problem was that they had all in fact taken sides and it was this that fuelled a simple spat that was not about stock cubes but about control.

And celebrities who no longer like to be thought of as working class does not mean being ignorant, or impolite, or unduly aggressive, or abusive.

For what then was Ken Russell's and Leo Sayer's excuse?

Hopefully any future shows will not try and mix two types of show which work well enough in their different ways. And the makers will recognise their responsibilities to avoid and treat all kinds of prejudice equally. And will support all of the housemates and not be seen to hang some out to dry - whilst going completely overboard to worship others.

But probably most importantly to stick the the shows object, to allow the housemates to sort out their differences and not to be seen to respond to any form of outside pressure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM

The saddest thing about Big Brother is that it is successful, and people watch it.
Don't they have any life of their own?

G ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM

I watched about 20 mins worth of assorted clips and the Saturday morning "catchup" two weeks ago. I understand even the "live" show was edited anyway - switching to different cameras appropriately - which raised suspicions in the press as to whether the editing could have skewed the impression given ; no view on that. I do feel that she was set up by the media though. In particular, I found ogffensive the way they attacked her so readily, after they had built her up into a Z-list celebrity in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 12:07 PM

Spot on Shambles.

as for the 'get a life' brigade. this was brilliant television - a programme that cut through the bullshit of 'oh we live in a classless society' better than anything since Dennis Potters early plays like Vote for Nigel Barton.

Complete media arseholes like the talentless Clarkson and the Fleet Street journalist fraternity stand naked and exposed as the drivelling middle class bigots they are - with the powers of cerebration of a bloody earwig.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 12:22 PM

I agree with most of your last post Shambles.

Though I would have to say that I think Shilpa Shetty was being true to her own lights....she behaved in a way in which she needed to behave to fulfil the expectations of those whe see her Bollywood films, I imagine. (Not that I have seen a single one).

The whole thing was contrived, nobody can dispute, & I have a firm suspicion that there were unrecorded or at least unbroadcast discussions between BB & some of the 'inmates' pointing out to them in no uncertain terms that their behaviour was unacceptable (despite BB engineering such, or considering it likely...in fact COUNTING on it occurring).


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 01:27 PM

I'm puzzled as to why Clarkson and other media rent-a-quote 'arseholes' were 'middle class bigots' standing naked and drivelling (a most attractive image!). Is this because they didn't see the class basis of the slatterns' behaviour and their celebration of wilful ignorance and prejudice in a wider sense and instead saw it as a narrower prejudice on racial grounds?
If they are 'bigots' because they found the behaviour of the three white women unacceptable, then I'm proud to count myself as a bigot too!
I'm inclined to agree about the off-camera 'coaching' however - the sudden changes of demeanour after the row came to a head in the media seemed too contrived to be true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 04:05 PM

No its because they have a talent for abuse, which is aimed invariably at the weak, defenceless and inarticulate. In short they are bullies on a much grander scale than anything Jade could or would aspire to.

When Clarkson takes on someone with any gumption at all, for example the interview iwth Jonathan Porrit - he has to draw his fangs in pretty damn sharpish. The man's a wanker. A nasty one and incompetent one as well. He never seems able to get down to the level of a normal car buyer. Spends his time waxing frustrated because a Skoda isn't a Lambourghini. Whats the point of that - it would be nice to know what the salient points of difference between that and a Berlingo are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 04:48 PM

Fair point!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alan Day
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:39 PM

Do you think he is the one flashing his lights when I am in the outside lane in my Renault Clio Van?
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:15 PM

yeh I bet.....texting his copy into the fleet street with one hand and the other stroking his ego.......as he swerves across three lanes to pass you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:01 PM

all of this isn't important - it's a tv-related deal to get more viewers. If you fall for it, you are the losers. IT ISN'T A SOCIAL ISSUE-IT'S A FIX!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:13 PM

BB is the perfect TV show.

Those who make it, enjoy making money

Those who appear on it seem to enjoy their moment of fame and make money.

Those who watch it enjoy it.

And those who do not watch it (especially the media) can enjoy judging those who make it - those who appear on it and those who do watch it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The PA
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 03:28 AM

Of course we're assuming that Jade knows what a racist is. She probably thinks its something to do with 'affletics'. I hear this morning she's gone into rehab. It will take more than a couple of weeks in an expensive hotel to sort out her vicious mouth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 04:04 AM

quote

"As for the 'racist' issue, no, I didn't see it, but I expect as usual the media have exaggerated the seriousness of it. However, almost anyone except her would probably have known better than to say anything like that, knowing they were being broadcast to the nation.

I say 'almost', because I gather that the Scouse girl (some footballer's girlfriend or something equally worthy of fame) said worse things than Jade (but as I say, I didn't see it myself)".

unquote

in a discussion as to whether referring to someone in terms of their typical foodstuff is racist!! Geddit? - the Scouse girl!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 05:25 AM

A lot of the external fuss about possible racism was about Jackiey referring - on her exit - to Shilpa as 'the Indian'. She made no pretence of liking Shilpa on a personal level - but for the following reasons, she was at that point really confused as to how to refer to Shilpa.

To anyone watching - it was obvious from early on that Jade's mother and the a certain extent Jade herself had a problem hearing or grasping the meaning and with pronouncing certain words. A point that the housemates were just starting to understand how to deal with - when Jade's mum was evicted.

Hence Jackiey's question about what a 'dimella' was.

It was obvious that she also had difficulty in hearing and pronouncing Shilpa's name. Choosing instead to call her 'princess'. A term - that when used as it was by Jackiey, without any intentional irony - few would object to.

For it is now overlooked that Shilpa did get very angry with this (if not in isolation). And despite being aware by this time that Jackiey had a genuine problem with hearing and pronouncing this name - insisted that Jackiey used her name and stopped adressing her as princess (but did not object in the same way when others address or referred to her as this).

The makers cannot just see prejudice and bullying only on grounds of race in one direction only) as unaccepatable. Are not other grounds, such as class, sex and mental ability etc equally unacceptable?

The subsequent spats were not racist or any other kind of bullying.

What we saw was simply the usual 'bitching'. Which when left alone from outside pressure and judgement - the participants will sort out for themselves. As they usually do - and as they largely did in this instance also.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 07:37 AM

But what exactly is the appeal? To me, watching the ignorant make fools of themselves shows how woefully little we have progressed from the days when people would go and watch the lunatics in Bedlam or pay sixpence to see the fairground freak show.
Those of you who clearly enjoy the programme; don't you feel just the tiniest bit ashamed at your prurience?
And why this whipping of the media for commenting on the issues raised? Do I take this to mean that the actions which attracted so much comment are actually acceptable? That boorishness and ill manners are somehow excusable? Jade Goodey's family may well be somewhere way to the left of the bell curve, but that doesn't make their behaviour OK. Even a dog can learn to behave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:36 AM

I suppose the the thing is that most people on meeting someone they don't like the look or sound of, avoid them.

Well these people can't - not if they want to be on telly. So they devise strategies. Sometimes of quite mind blowing evil, sometimes betrayed by remarks of casual nastiness. And thus they deal with the situation. Or so they think, but the camera captures everything.

There are levels to this game. Its a cross between the bearpit and the chess game. The cruel and and mocking tones of the presenters is an inherent part.

It wouldn't be my choice of TV, but my wife loves it so I get sucked in every year, and before long I know all the people - whether I want to, or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: redsnapper
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:42 AM

This all appears to have passed me by.

Have I missed something important?

RS


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:40 AM

Those of you who clearly enjoy the programme; don't you feel just the tiniest bit ashamed at your prurience?

No.

For the appeal is the same for TV soaps with scripts and actors - except that any drama in BB is real - rather than pretend emotion. Possibly many avid soap watchers would turn off Corrie and Eastenders - if instead of peeking on their neighbours through the curtains, they could watch live action on their TV from cameras installed in every room next door (and then be able vote who to evict from it).

And why this whipping of the media for commenting on the issues raised? Do I take this to mean that the actions which attracted so much comment are actually acceptable? That boorishness and ill manners are somehow excusable?

No - it means that those who enjoy judging what others choose to do should probbaly watch the show - before passing judgement.

And that responding to what is judged to be displays of boorishness, ill manners and bullying with even worse displays of boorishness, bullying and ill manners being justified and splashed all over the front pages of newspapers and commented on by every radio DJ and TV presenter as if these spats were a major world issue and the victims had no feelings - is even worse.

Because then - as the perpetrators are not subject to 24 hour TV coverage, not able to escape from each other and intentionally wound-up - there is absolutly no excuse for subjecting certain contestants to it whilst at the same time almost worshiping others.

And of course this current fawning and worshiping of Shilpa has nothing to do with the fact that anyone who publicly dares to even try and bring a little reality and fairness back to our traditionally fair-minded country - is terrified of also being called a racist.

A charge that does not need ay evidence, trial or conviction and even when retracted, the word itself (even when it is so ill-defined) is enough to effectivly end any career.

A factor that any future employers of Shilpa and Jermaine Jackson who were both seen to play this card - will now be very aware of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:45 AM

Possibly many avid soap watchers would turn off Corrie and Eastenders - if instead of peeking on their neighbours through the curtains, they could watch live action on their TV from cameras installed in every room next door (and then be able vote who to evict from it).
And I'm sure they'd also flock to see public executions, whippings and brandings. it doesn't make them right!
I'm intrigued to know what newspaper you read, by the way. My Guardian had nothing like that in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:55 AM

And I'm sure they'd also flock to see public executions, whippings and brandings. it doesn't make them right!

And your judgement of them as being wrong (or of passing a law based on that judgement) - will not change the appeal of such things to certain people.

Shows like BB (perhaps not the celeb version) are simply holding up a mirror. If you don't like what is reflected there - blaming or breaking the mirror will not change the refelcted image.

Given that we rather have to accept all aspects of human nature as the reality it is - I would rather have BB on TV (as I have said - the perfect TV show for all) than public executions, whippings and brandings or return to the Roman Games.

How about you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM

Personally I'd rather not.
Just as, when I'm having a shit, I shut the door. Call me a bluff old traditionalist if you will, but...


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 12:21 PM

I'm sure we're all relieved to hear about your toilet moments Captain. I'm glad theres still someone out there who doesn't let it all hang out, so to speak.

Of course I agree, whilst we all enjoy a good shit and its fun to sit around the campfire telling tales of the great shits we've had, singing songs and celebrating that moment of parturition. Breathes there a soul so dull, I ask myself, whose heart does not leap in enchantment in that magic of the plop.

A degree of restraint is called for, otherwise its just an orgy. An essentially private time, and you are right not to share it with anybody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Nickhere
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 02:14 PM

I don't really bother watching BB (any of them - does anyone make TV fiction anymore?) but the odd time it's on in the background in friends' houses etc., It's mind-numbingly awfully boring - you'd get more stimulation pulling back your curtains to watch the world passing by on the street outside. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that Jade had been encouraged to be as obnoxious as possible by TV chiefs in order to push up ratings (maybe, maybe not). It seems each new edition of BB must go to further extremes in order to catch audience's jaded (no pun intended) attention....it's only a matter of time before someone is murdered on reality TV, perhaps we can call it Big Cluedo (BC).


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 04:38 AM

I like Jade.

Just give me a real rough diamond, earthy and fresh from the ground - rather than a shiny but useless piece of manifactured glass.

And I am probably a bit old fashioned too.

When sitting on the toilet - I would prefer it not to be blocked up with chicken bones and would probably expect whoever it was who was stupid enough to block it up with chicken bones in the first pace - to then unblock it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 06:00 AM

know what what you mean.... i like mucky women also


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 12:33 PM

Personally I would like a woman with whom I could have a decent conversation rather than an earthy clod; someone with whom I had something in common.
Or are you trying to tell us something, Shambles?!?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Phil
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 02:40 PM

The Shambles, its hard to defend the undefendable........


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 03:15 PM

Hi ib48
Sorry, been away for a while, i have no real opinion of her at all, i have never met her, and would save such strong opinions until i had. My quip about a chip on both shoulders was a satirical line about your previous post, as no one has posted such strong views and so intensely direct as yours.
She is obviously not the most intelligent person in the world, but that is not a crime. I dont think she should be persecuted for her ignorance, rather encouraged to get an education,,, but as someone has already said, channel 4 knew this and have taken advantage of her.
She has come a long way in the last few years, lets hope she will learn a valuable lesson from this and move on and get herself an education that she so obviously needs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 07:33 PM

She has come a long way in the last few years, lets hope she will learn a valuable lesson from this and move on and get herself an education that she so obviously needs

If she does - let us hope see puts this to better use than many of those who would judge her seem to.

The best educated of us are still able to do unwise things.

having done so - they may be better able to explain and excuse it away than Jade - who has now done all that could possibly be expected of her - but still the far better educated media continue to judge her as if she were worse than an accused, tried and convicted child murderer.

If only equally unwise politicians and those who fail in responsible positions were to be subject to this kind of feeding frenzy by our educated media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 08:05 PM

The Shambles, its hard to defend the undefendable........

So it would now seem to be somehow honourable to gang up and attack the so-called undefendable?

Or is that the reason for them placing this label?

As all the other causes seem to be covered - the only ones remaining that of any interest to me - are the so-called lost ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:04 AM

I agree with shambles, i don;t think Jade is a racialist, she's just a bit thick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:12 AM

Yes, I agree - she's too thick for the idea of being racist to even occur to her.

As for finding her attractive, Shambles, words fail me. The only woman I can think of that is less attractive is her mother.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:08 AM

Hello jOhn. Lovely to hear from you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:14 AM

Just received this and thought I'd pass it on, so people who haven't seen her know we're not exaggerating. (I've added a couple of annotations in brackets for some that may not be obvious to everyone outside the UK).

Famous Jade Goody quotes:
* "Where is East Angular, is it abroad?" (East Anglia is part of England)
* "Rio de Janeiro - that's a person"
* "The Daily Mail is the post" (Daily Mail is a newspaper)
* "Saddam Hussein - that's a boxer"
* "A ferret is a bird"
* "I had my first birthday when I was one"
* "Who is heinzstein?"
* "Mother Theresa is from Germany"
* "Sherlock Holmes invented toilets"
* "The Union Jack is for all of us, but the St. George is just for London, isn't it?"
* "I knew Lynne was from Aberdeen, but I didn't realise Aberdeen was in Scotland"
* "What's a sparagus? Do you grow it?"
* "I am intelligent, but I let myself down because I can't speak properly or spell"
* To PJ after he revealed he knew someone who kept pet peacocks: "You see those things... don't think I'm being daft... but them things that look like eyes, are they their real eyes?"
* "Jonny, I'm not being tictactical in here"
* "They were trying to use me as an escape goat"
* "Do they speak Portuganese in Portugal? I thought Portugal was in Spain"
* "That's asexual harassment"


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:22 AM

"They were trying to use me as an escape goat"

She is not always wrong - is she?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Phil
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 11:45 PM

Scrump
She is supposed to be worth £8,000,000 do not ask me how, but if it is the case, who is thick her or us...........


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 04:31 AM

I agree Big Phil - she can't be as daft as she seems. You've got to admire her business acumen, if nothing else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:24 AM

As for finding her attractive, Shambles, words fail me.

Not sure that I said that I found Jade (or her mother) to be physically attractive. She is not my type and Shipa's looks are far more to my taste - but it is said that beauty is only skin deep.

It is what lies underneath the made-up image that is important. What I detect underneath Shilpa's manicured apprearance is not very attractive at all.   

Jade is far more sinned against than sinner - and apart from her general knowledge - is usually more often right than wrong.

She is certainly outspoken and has a tendancy to fire other people's bullets for them, while they sit back and allow her to take to resulting flak. A point perfectly demonstated in the first spat with Ken Russell - who was clearly in the wrong for selfishly, if not perhaps intentionally threatening other peoples food budget by his actions but didn't much like this being pointed out to him (by Jade).

For it was in fact Shilpa who first pointed out what he was doing wrong. And who then watched as Jade was made out to be in the wrong and accused - by the far better educated Mr Russell - of having a screw loose for taking issue with his anti-social act.

This was probably not wise of Jade and it was not wise when it was her who actually challenged Dirk over not sharing his whisky - when it was others who were doing the grumbling and making these bullets, behind his back.   

But as I have said - the person who has never been guilty of unwise actions can cast the first stone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 09:03 AM

Anyone stupid enough to take part in one of those so-called 'reality' TV shows deserves all they get. I have never felt any sympathy for any of them, the publicity-seeking narcissists. Jade is no different in that respect.

If she really has £8M, why on earth did she do it? She could retire on that (I wish she would!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 12:49 PM

There is only one reason to post to this thread - To Go -


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 12:49 PM

100 !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Partridge
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 01:43 PM

or 101


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: HuwG
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 03:33 PM

I make a point never to watch these crapulent "reality" TV shows. However, one of my favourite TV presenters, Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear, has also been indulging in apparently Jade-like behaviour, by referring to her as a "racist, pig-faced waste of skin and organs".

It got a laugh, as did his comment a few seconds later when regretting that bad weather had spoiled their filming schedule, that "We'll do what everyone else does - blame global warming".

Perhaps Jeremy is also going a bit OTT, even for someone with my crude sense of humour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 06:10 PM

Jeremy makes Jade look talented.

If theres anything I hate more than his ignorant anti John Prescott jibes, its his facetious drivelling journalism.

He should advertise himself as an eco-friendly laxative. I'm sure he could bore the shit out of anybody with an IQ in double figures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 04:48 PM

Clarkson is an odd fish. Ostensibly, I should hate him. He stands for everything that makes me cross, and his political views are positively Neanderthal, and yet I think he is consistently one of the most watchable people on British television. The bugger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:43 PM

Again, i find myself in complete agreement with you Captain...& as I type this, I'm watching him present 'Have I Got Old News for You'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,GS
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 03:40 AM

Jeremy Clarkson does have a bit of a problem when someone comes near to upstaging him though...he is a 'put down' artist...He reckons he is better than all the rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 05:23 AM

Does driving all those fast cars make him a racist?

A term that may as well refer to this - as the casual use of this accusation has now made its use practically worthless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:42 AM

Is this racism?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 09:24 AM

I guess there are some strange ideas about what racism is and they are not balanced in any way...eg...If in the UK you call a pakistani a 'paki'...it is racist. Why then is it not racist when the yanks call the brits 'brits' and the brits call the yanks 'yanks'?


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