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BS: smoking in uk pubs

manitas_at_work 23 Jan 07 - 07:21 AM
The Barden of England 23 Jan 07 - 07:31 AM
Scrump 23 Jan 07 - 08:16 AM
Paco Rabanne 23 Jan 07 - 10:05 AM
Ebbie 23 Jan 07 - 03:27 PM
Scrump 24 Jan 07 - 07:43 AM
skipy 24 Jan 07 - 07:59 AM
GUEST,ib48 24 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM
Scrump 24 Jan 07 - 09:13 AM
John MacKenzie 24 Jan 07 - 09:15 AM
skipy 24 Jan 07 - 11:52 AM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Jan 07 - 12:21 PM
GUEST,IB48 24 Jan 07 - 03:22 PM
terrier 24 Jan 07 - 08:07 PM
fair maiden of nottingham 25 Jan 07 - 04:32 AM
jacqui.c 25 Jan 07 - 08:45 AM
Scrump 25 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 25 Jan 07 - 06:07 PM
Gizmo 25 Jan 07 - 06:15 PM
fair maiden of nottingham 26 Jan 07 - 04:36 AM
skipy 26 Jan 07 - 04:48 AM
Scrump 26 Jan 07 - 10:37 AM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Jan 07 - 11:08 AM
The Barden of England 26 Jan 07 - 11:11 AM
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The Villan 25 Apr 07 - 07:21 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 07:21 AM

"but as a smoker i am now refused"

No, you're not! Unless the cigarette is surgically attached!


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: The Barden of England
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 07:31 AM

You missed my point much earlier on Fisheye. Seeing as 70% of the population are non-smokers why do the minority feel it's their right to impose on the majority. As a non-smoker I do not 'force' you to breathe anything other than fresh air if I'm in your company, so why do you feel that you have the right to force me to breathe second hand smoke if I'm in yours?
George Papavgeris put it that if people were considerate enough they would not smoke in enclosed areas, and I agree with him. However the minority still seem to think it's their right to do so, and for that reason the politician's hands were forced into legislation. It's a big whip I agree, but without the minority being a tad blinkered it would not have had to be so.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Scrump
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 08:16 AM

hi all, you seemed to have missed my point...if a pub/folk club or wherever chooses to smoke.....it is your freedom as none-smoker not to enter.

Yes, but supposing I enter a pub and order a meal, then a smoker comes in, sits next to me and starts blowing smoke at me as I eat? Of course I have the 'freedom' to just abandon the meal if I choose, but why should I? This is what can happen now.

but as a smoker i am now refused.

No, you're not. You can come in and drink, eat, chat, etc. But you're just not allowed to smoke. That's no different from anyone else.

Perhaps standing on the corner playing will be banned from smoking soon, as a traffic hazard

The way this government is going about trying to control our every movement, that wouldn't surprise me at all :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 10:05 AM

The thing that really pisses me off, is the fact that I could open a gambling club, a gay club, or a late night drinking club, all of which were prohibited practices until recently. But I can't open a smoking club, an activity that has been legal for centuries. Nanny Blair's take over all human activity is nearly complete.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 03:27 PM

As someone remarked above, I am amazed and mortified at the recollection of how oblivious to non-smokers I was in the years I was a smoker. I operated as if I really believed that I could make the explanatory remark "But I smoke" and that meant that I could smoke anywhere I wished.

Oh, and Doug R, I don't agree at all that one should not tell others when one has decided to quit smoking. Keeping the decision secret to me means that one has not actually decided.

All of my four brothers quit smoking before I did. What helped me was when one brother told me to not try anymore, that when I am actually ready to quit it would be much easier.

That is what I did. I still wanted to smoke but I no longer wanted to be a smoker, if that makes sense. So on one Wednesday I told everyone I was quitting on Sunday, and on Sunday night I threw the last pack into the fire, washed all the ashtrays and went to bed.

That was 29 years ago. I still kind of like the smell of a cigarette when it is being smoked outdoors as long as it is not too close, but I am grateful that it is rare to find a smokey public place.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Scrump
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 07:43 AM

I can't open a smoking club, an activity that has been legal for centuries. Nanny Blair's take over all human activity is nearly complete

Yes, it's interesting that the law won't allow anyone to start a 'smoking club', i.e. a room where smokers could gather to enjoy a smoke together. As a non-smoker, I can't see any reason why anyone should object to that, assuming there would be no staff who could be affected by the smoke. Yet I assume it would be legal for a bunch of smokers to gather in an outside place, say the market square in a town centre, and puff away - this would cause more inconvenience to the non-smoking public than gathering in a private 'club' room.

But I assume there's nothing to stop anyone inviting other smokers to their home for a smoking session? Or is that being made illegal too?


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: skipy
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 07:59 AM

I'm going to hold a smokeathon!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM

i detest smoking,just thiught i would mention that


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Scrump
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:13 AM

Nanny Blair's take over all human activity is nearly complete

Yes, stage one - the banning of folk singing in pubs - is just the start. Blair's ultimate goal is to make it compulsory for all UK citizens to listen to the Bee Gees, Cliff Richard and Oasis at all times (plus the recording of the Ugly Rumours reunion concert, to be held later this year as part of his "Blaze of Glory" departure; and the complete Labour Party conference speeches of our esteemed PM).

Of course we will all have to carry licenced iPods, and we will be taxed per minute of listening. The iPods will require an annual check to make sure they are properly charged with the designated mp3s (this check will of course be mandatory at a cost to the owner). Anyone caught fast-forwarding through Sir Cliff's version of the Lord's Prayer set to the tune of Old Lang Syne, will be fined for speeding.

By Jove I needed that! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:15 AM

Well talking about Homosexual Clubs, they are a minority, and they don't appear to lack for rights under the law. Perhaps they should allow Smoking Clubs.
Would the smokers wear plaid shirts and have moustaches, and weirdly sculptured facial hair too?

Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: skipy
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 11:52 AM

I want a smokers only pub where men can go dressed as ladies!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 12:21 PM

The ban relates to public places and workplaces - I don't think that a club on private premises with no staff employed would be covered. No doubt there will be grey areas here and it will become clearer in practice.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,IB48
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 03:22 PM

I think skipy has hit onto something here


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: terrier
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 08:07 PM

### Nanny Blair's take over all human activity is nearly complete ###

Nice one scrump......but I do worry you may not be to far from the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: fair maiden of nottingham
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 04:32 AM

Hi all, I have smoked a pipe for 30 plus years, and if i enter a place that does not allow smokingol it does not worry me. But I do object to being controlled by Law.
If my local pub,put a large sign outside, saying SMOKERS ONLY. what argument can you none smokers have about entering knowing your fate.
as a final, i would love a £1 for every none smoker that told me they like the smell of my pipe tobacco.

fisheye


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 08:45 AM

If any area was labelled SMOKERS ONLY I would not go into it. That would be my choice.

What is being talked about here is the lack of choice open to all non smokers who would like to spend a pleasant evening making music with friends. Even one skmoker in a bar can make the atmosphere unpleasant for all the rest, even more so if any of the others have respiratory problems or have suffered from smoking related illnesses.

Unfortunately Fisheye, not all smokers are as willing as you to comply with requests. Even where smoking is banned, on trains, I once had a stand up argument with a guy who was going to light up, before the train even started. He got off the train when I actually went to the door to get the guard to come and deal with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Scrump
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM

If I go into a pub today, and there are smokers present (evident by the smoky atmosphere), of course I can exercise my right as a non-smoker to leave, and find another pub more to my taste.

If a smoker enters a pub and sees non-smokers are present (evident by the absence of any smoke), he could exercise his right to leave, and seek out a smoke-filled pub. But how many smokers would do that?

It's true I can choose not to enter a pub if it already contains smokers, but supposing there are none present when I enter, and let's say I order a drink and a meal, and then a smoker comes in and lights up a cigarette and starts blowing smoke in my direction (whether intentionally or not). What am I supposed to do now? I've paid for the drink and the meal so I don't want to walk out - I wouldn't be able to get a refund either.

Yes, I could ask the smoker politely to stop, but that's likely to cause friction, and at worst a violent or aggressive response, on the grounds that it's his 'right' to smoke, regardless of the consequences to me or others in the pub.

That's why I'm in favour of the new law. It means I can be certain this scenario won't happen - at present it's a lottery for non-smokers, and the cards are stacked in smokers' favour, because non-smokers (all else being equal) don't affect them at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 06:07 PM

"The ban relates to public places and workplaces - I don't think that a club on private premises with no staff employed would be covered."

A friend of mine who happens to be a licencee has been discussing the smoking ban with the local authority, who have informed him that his living room above the pub is a workplace because it is the only space available for his paperwork.

This, they say, precludes his smoking in that room, meaning that he will only be allowed to smoke in his bedroom, even when the pub is closed.

Leaving aside the question of how they would propose to a) gather evidence, and b) enforce the rule, should they have the right to decide what he can or cannot do in that part of the premises that constitute his home, but is not open to staff or public?

I fancy that they would make the same judgement of the place where the organiser of a private club kept and updated the records of that organisation, so it would have to be a casual, unorganised gathering to be entirely safe.

Even tho' I dislike the idea of legislation as a means of achieving what could better be achieved by setting aside a smokers' room in pubs and workplaces, or by educating people to consider the needs of others, I must say I will be pleased to see smoke and music separated. It will be easier for me to sing for a whole evening (a purely selfish POV, especially as I have been a smoker until very recently).

I do fear, however, that the authorities will overstep the mark in their zeal to uphold this latest erosion of rights.

2003 Lets destroy folk music for the sake of public safety.
2007 I know smokers are breaking no laws. Let's make some new ones that will bar them from any venue other than a draughty, wet street corner.
2011 ANY PREDICTIONS. Can any of you be sure that YOU will not find yourself the next target?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Gizmo
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 06:15 PM

"No doubt there will be grey areas here and it will become clearer in practice."

Somehow McGrath, I very much doubt smoking only clubs would become clearer in practice!

The grey areas would certainly increase, as well as the white turned ochre ceilings and a new saying will emerge - you can't see the smokers for the smoke!


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: fair maiden of nottingham
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 04:36 AM

Hi all, Lets face it if we turned the clock back 50 yrs, pubs used to have multi bars, and as far as meals were concerned, it was always pronounced'Gentlemen You Make Smoke' so is this the modern generation that has lowered the standards.( new stream). As for me I smoke for pleasure not total addiction.
I always have the santacty of my own place at the moment.

But as quoted previously this is now comming under suspect.

Fisheye


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: skipy
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 04:48 AM

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


Niemöller
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:37 AM

2003 Lets destroy folk music for the sake of public safety.
2007 I know smokers are breaking no laws. Let's make some new ones that will bar them from any venue other than a draughty, wet street corner.
2011 ANY PREDICTIONS. Can any of you be sure that YOU will not find yourself the next target?


I predict that before the next election it will be made illegal to vote against Labour. If the Lords throw it out, Blair and Brown will just force it through 'in the interests of the country' like most of the other laws they've 'passed' since they came to power.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:08 AM

This, they say, precludes his smoking in that room, meaning that he will only be allowed to smoke in his bedroom, even when the pub is closed.

Assuming this isn't one of those "friends" who crop up in innumerable urban legends, I'd advise Don's friend to have a good laugh and completely ignore the buffoon who said this. I am pretty certain that any attempt at a prosecution in such a case would be treated as an abuse of the court system.

And I have no doubt that a group of friends meeting together in non-public premises, without any paid staff being present, would have no legal problems whatsoever if they wish to smoke. Well, smoke tobacco anyway.

It would of course have been much better if in the first place the push for limiting smoking in all places where it might inconvenience other people had come from smokers themselves.

I have never been aware of any occasions where smokers have demanded that separate smoking facilities are provided, so that they can smoke in comfort without interfering with the comfort of people who were not smoking. At least, there were no such demands until the objections of the non-smoking majority had produced an irresistible momentum for a ban.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: The Barden of England
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:11 AM

Spot on Kevin. I just wish I could have said it that way.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: terrier
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:33 PM

What about the people who make the 'nicotine stained effect' paint greatly favoured in British 'Olde Worlde' pubs. They'll all be out of a job. Has Blair no shame at all. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:50 AM

what a load of tosh!


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 12:23 PM

I can't stop smokers killing themselves so long as I don't have to breathe it. Talk about infringement of rights. Smokers polluting my air are stepping on my civil rights. Yes, ban it in the streets if I have to be subjected to it. Those that tolerate it may as well be smokers themselves. If we claim to want to ban factories for their pollution and air quality, why shouldn't smokers be held accountable too?

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:12 PM

Well no bugger is going to tell ME that I can't have a cigarette with my pint.

I've made sure of that.

I've quit smoking!!!! SO THERE! Now they'll have to find summat else to stop me doing.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Alice
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:41 PM

Today I was thinking about how I would wake up with a sore throat evey morning of my childhood,
how I would catch colds and flu every winter, and... how much cigarette smoke I breathed from
my dad's camel straights! We all lived in a closed in space full of smoke in our house and in the car!
No wonder I got healthier after I left home - the sore throats went away.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Rockhen
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:51 PM

I will be glad when the ban comes in. I hate sitting in smoke. I do feel sympathy for my mates that smoke but I wish desperately, that they could give up as I worry about their health and also mine, when I spend time in their company.
It does disgust me, the money that is made out of smokers through tax on tobacco and that this is a major consideration when laws about smoking/non-smoking are made, rather than other factors.
Good luck to anyone giving up...I really hope you do it. I am grateful that I didn't start smoking when I was young because I think it must be particularly difficult to try to give up, if you did.
My eyes are still sore from sitting in the pub at an acoustic night last night. I have never smoked a cigarette, ever, firsthand because that choice was mine and I chose not to.. But secondhand smoke...I hate to think and feel sick at the thought of how many I have 'smoked' unwillingly.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 05:39 AM

Well done Don T.Make sure you stick to it. Can you have sex with a pint?

Keep coming to Faldingworth Live Rockhen, you know it makes sense - smoke free :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 06:36 AM

Publicans won´t like it, big drop in trade expected.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 06:40 AM

Well the bad news is this. Here in Scotland where we've had a ban on smoking in public places for some time now, passing a pub, or trying to enter one is like running the gauntlet.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 07:07 AM

Why's that, Giok?


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 07:21 AM

>>Publicans won´t like it, big drop in trade expected. <<

Maybe publicans will have to change their attitudes and start catering for non smokers and families.

Another thing that they could do, is stop pumping youngsters with loads of alcohol and ban trouble makers, and start concentrating on encouring the majority of decent people to go to their pub.

Any decent publican should be able to use the smoking ban to their advantage, instead of pampering to the smokers and yobbo's.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,Pete
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 07:50 AM

I'm not entirely sure there's any correlation between smokers and yobbos.
Most Pubs, if they allow children at all, don't allow them after 6-8pm. What I can tell you is, that the chain I work for are desperately trying to sell their establishments following the release of the true figures on loss of trade(taken from Ireland and Scotland).
I also, like you, believe that Publicans and all the small independant private clubs should concentrate on other ideas to draw people in to conteract the loss, sadly I think it will be a lot easier to close down. I also believe that once the loss in revenue to the Govt is seen ( ie. loss of taxes on cigs as people reduce/ give up smoking and people buying in a supermarket and take home so they can smoke)there will be a massive hike in beer duty to try and compensate hitting the pubs once again.

I'm with you on the ban I can't wait, however I hope that their will still be pubs to go to!


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 07:52 AM

Because the doorways are surrounded by addicts, puffing away like there was no tomorrow Johnny, and you run a fair chance of reaching the pub smelling like a Capstan Full Strength Kipper.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 08:00 AM

You could maybe try walking a little faster, Giok. The smokers outside pubs in Ireland seem friendly enough - and they probably act as a calming influence on the street.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 08:50 AM

I think it's absolutely fantastic! I live in Wales and it's already in effect here. Brilliant! Makes such a difference.

Ella who is sooze


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 09:34 AM

Thats great to hear Ella.

Of course some pub owners who do not change their attitudes will fall by the wayside.I suppose that will be the difference between a good publican and a bad one.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Bee
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 09:37 AM

Here in Nova Scotia, smoking is banned in all public places, all work places, and usually also within five metres of public entrances, is not permitted anywhere on hospital property. This has been so for several years, and people have just adapted. Smokers joke that they are the only people who regularly get any fresh air in winter, as they must go outdoors for their puff.

I am one of those people in a constant struggle with nicotine addiction (quitting's easy - I've done it a few dozen times), and I'm happy with the bans. Helps me avoid temptation when I'm not smoking, limits me when I'm succumbing.

I do, however, find some of the more adamant anti-smokers rude and even unkind.

Example 1: When smoking was still permissible outside the hospital a couple years ago, and I was waiting for my mother, I helped an 86 year old man find his way out to a reasonably sheltered spot so he could have his smoke out of the cold wind. An extremely officious young administrative person came racing out and lambasted him for smoking too close to her window, which was open a tiny crack and a good three metres away.

Example 2: At a craft fair, where the mingled scented soaps, candles, sachets, people's perfumes, colognes, are enough to knock a person flat, a woman standing at my booth noticed, walking by, another elderly man holding an unlit cigar and took it upon herself to loudly complain that she would soon have an asthma attack from the smell of that disgustiing cigar, and someone should throw him out.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,Pete
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 01:56 PM

The Villan said,
"Of course some pub owners who do not change their attitudes will fall by the wayside.I suppose that will be the difference between a good publican and a bad one"

Or of course the possibility of one who is running on the borderline of viabilty. Pub and Club life is not what it used to be and losing any custom could cause problems.

Some of the smoking area solutions are quite cheap at £4 - 6k (yes it's true) this could be a financial problem. We have already been informed there will be lay offs in my chain.

Again I repeat I am for the ban but I can't help but wonder what real effect it will have.

A slightly different topic but I also wonder what will be outlawed next! Will it be something we feel differently about.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM

Some of the smoking area solutions are quite cheap at £4 - 6k

And others won't cost a single penny.

What real effect? It'll mean I'll be able to choose where to drink in a pub without having to hunt out some relatively smoke free area.

And it's not just pubs of course. There's a little coffee bar I like because it's friendly and makes the best coffee and doesn't overcharge, and it doesn't feel like a Starbucks clone. But more often than not it's got some berk sitting at a table just inside drifting smoke all over the place, so I go elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: vectis
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 06:44 PM

I have noticed that there are far fewer smokers in many pubs than there used to be, sometimes they are in the minority. recently I was in a session and there were about fifty people in the pub. One chap eventually arrived and promptly lit up and smoked pretty constantly all night. The smoke ended up everywhere in the pub by the end of the evening making it unpleasant for everyone else.
Now that's what I call selfish behaviour and I'm glad that the ban will stop this happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,fumblefingers
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 12:48 AM

The smell of beer and spirits hurts my nose and makes me cough. I get violently ill and have to get an injection of nicotine to recover. The government should ban alcohol in bars and restuarants.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 03:31 AM

From what I've seen there's still quite a few people going to the pub, it's as popular as ever, despite popular belief that people would stop going out.

Most pubs have built a shelter of some sort in the gardens, (for those who have them).

EWIS


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,Pete
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 04:28 AM

"Some of the smoking area solutions are quite cheap at £4 - 6k"

"And others won't cost a single penny"

The people who don't spend a single penny will undoubtly lose custom (source: any brewery in the UK)
I for one don't want to castigate smokers I just wish they would do it outside and I think there is no reason why they shouldn't have a "comfortable" area OUTSIDE.

"What real effect?"
I have already been told there will be lay offs in my company so the "Real affect" is that I and others will lose our jobs. This of course may not matter to you but obviously it does to me.

The Gambling Commision have already published figures on the losses from gaming machines in Scotland since their ban. Again these don't outwiegh health risks, but I do believe it proves the point that money will need to be spent on smoking areas. These should not be within two meters of the entrance to the building (of course this doesn't count if no smoking area is provided)
I repeat my statement that I am FOR the ban (even though I may lose my job)

There is always two sides to everything and to ignore that would be blinkered.


PS sorry if this post arrives twice, I first posted about an hour ago, but it didn't appear.(perhaps some one might delete the earlier posting if it arrives)


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Stu
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 04:50 AM

I'm looking forward to the ban.

I smoke the occassional cigar, and at my favourite session pub I like to sit on a bench outside to smoke, hear the sounds of the sessions coming from inside, and look across the fields towards the Peak District.

Bliss.

I don't pollute the air for my fellow man, the pub is a far more pleasant place to be in without the wreaths of cancer enhancer.

Bring on the ban!


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Bee
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 07:20 AM

The smoke ban has not appeared to make much of a dent in the patronage of liquor serving establishments here. What did cause considerable die off of taverns was the changes made years ago in the drink/drive laws. When the province came down heavily on drinking and driving, thus saving a lot of lives, quite a few of the more rural taverns died from a lack of taxis and buses to haul patrons home.


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Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,antiqueerian
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 07:29 AM

They're banning smoking, because it can cause respiratory diseases and some find it offensive.

They've started the process of banning drinking, because it can lead to drunkenness and kidney failure.

But buggery, which can lead to AIDS and is abhorrent to anyone with an ounce of decency, is not only legal, but actively encouraged!

O tempora, o mores!


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