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BS: Election results

GUEST 08 Nov 06 - 04:39 PM
GUEST,TIA 08 Nov 06 - 04:06 PM
Big Mick 08 Nov 06 - 03:36 PM
DougR 08 Nov 06 - 03:34 PM
Sorcha 08 Nov 06 - 03:24 PM
Don Firth 08 Nov 06 - 02:36 PM
Barry Finn 08 Nov 06 - 02:21 PM
Wesley S 08 Nov 06 - 02:09 PM
Don Firth 08 Nov 06 - 02:00 PM
Sorcha 08 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM
Grab 08 Nov 06 - 01:38 PM
Charley Noble 08 Nov 06 - 01:23 PM
GUEST,PeteBoom (at work) 08 Nov 06 - 01:12 PM
GUEST,PeteBoom (at work) 08 Nov 06 - 01:00 PM
Rapparee 08 Nov 06 - 01:00 PM
Bobert 08 Nov 06 - 12:44 PM
catspaw49 08 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM
Barry Finn 08 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM
Wolfgang 08 Nov 06 - 12:20 PM
Amos 08 Nov 06 - 11:16 AM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Nov 06 - 11:05 AM
Peace 08 Nov 06 - 10:57 AM
Grab 08 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM
Bobert 08 Nov 06 - 09:56 AM
John on the Sunset Coast 08 Nov 06 - 09:50 AM
Rapparee 08 Nov 06 - 09:16 AM
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Charley Noble 08 Nov 06 - 08:50 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:39 PM

Wolfgang -- There is only one party at the national level in the US. The wealthy elite. Some belong to the Democrats and some to the Republicans, but there is no real difference between the parties. In this election, the Democratic side was allowed to make some gains. The Republican side will now pretend to be "in trouble." There will be threats and counterthreats while the elite continues its destruction of the country. For example, Democrats are "for the aliens" in the US. 20-30 million criminals wandering my country will now be legalized by George Bush as one of his final bowel movements on the US. See how the two sides help each other? Both parties are owned by the same people...the same people (international banking consortiums) who financed both the Axis AND the Allied powers in WW2. Unfortunately, few Americans are able to admit they're controlled by murdering gangsters. We're going down the same road Germany traveled under Hitler. And that's sad, because we SHOULD have learned from history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:06 PM

The answer Wolfgang is your number 2.

A landslide was needed, and a landslide was had.

I think we will see a lot in the coming weeks about the last minute robo-calls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Big Mick
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:36 PM

Dougie ..... where is the smugness? ...... sounds a little like sour grapes, buddy. A simple "congratulations" will do.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: DougR
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:34 PM

Yes, you have, Wolfgang. Republicans do not own a franchise on corruption. There are corrupt Democrats too. From all reports I have heard, there was a lot of noise generated about voting fraud but nothing has been substantiated at least as far as I know. I doubt the Democrates will want to delve too deeply into charges of voter fraud. An investigation might show that they didn't really win the election. :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:24 PM

Wyoming House still too close to call, but Our Town has a new mayor. Blessed Be!


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:36 PM

Robert Gates, whom Bush has nominated to replace Rumsfeld, is not in yet. He has to be passed on by the Armed Sevices Committee, and if he gets by that, he must then be approved by the Senate. And right now, control of the Senate looks like it might go to the Democrats, but it's still up in the air.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:21 PM

It's just confirmed Tester has taken Montana that puts the Senate at Dem's 50 to the Repub's 49 & it's gonna be awhile for the Virginia race to be settled, though it looks as if Allen is the loser which will give the control of the Senate to the Dem's.

RUMMY HAS BEEN SCUTTLED. Though the bad news is that Gates has been selected to replace Rummy, depending on he's ok'ed by the Dem's which may be doubtful seeing that he's an etreme rubber stamp for Georgie. To bad Ducky.

It doesn't seem that George gets it. The country just spoke but Bush is somethin else. He still thinks the nation is looking for victory in Iraq, what a thick headed idiot & the tone on his speech was still resistent to changing, he's still spouting "stay the course". He doesn't know he's been dumped. A bigger fool can't be found, anywhere.
It'll good to see him as a duck waddle off, "fuck the duck" is the new cry. Impeachment now would be the best course of action for him & his VP, that would give us a dem president & the 1st female in the White House, President Nancy. Sounds good to me. But I'm afraid it would look like a coup rather that the feather that it should be. She is 3rd in line now.


Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:09 PM

I wonder if Rumsfield had fallen on his sword and resigned last weekend if the results would have been the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:00 PM

The Democrats have won the necessary number of seats for control of the House of Representatives, and have won enough seats in the Senate so that it hangs on the race in Virginia, where Webb, a Democrat, leads Allen, the Republican candidate by a slender margin. That race will not be resolved for a few weeks, because according to Virginia state law (as in Washington State where I live), a margin of less that 1% requires a recount.

Nancy Pelosi is now Speaker of the House.

As I type this, Bush is acknowledging the Democratic victory and is trying to put a good face on it. And he has just announced that Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, is resigning.

Now, who was it that was saying that a Democratic victory wouldn't change anything?

And I would also point out to those who like to blame me personally for the state of the country because I prefer to vote for the candidates who a) most closely represent my views, and b) actually have a chance of winning, rather than vote idealistically but unrealistically for a third party candidate who doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell, and is only pulling quite possibly crucial votes away from progressive candidates that actually do have a chance. Example:    in the contest between Washington State Senator Maria Cantwell, Democrat, and Republican candidate Mike McGavick, Maria won with 57.59% of the vote to McGavick's 39.31%. The other candidates, Libertarian, Green, and Independent, garnered a total of 3.1%. Had the margin between Cantwell and McGavick been closer, Washington State might have a Republican Senator for the next six years. I'm not totally happy with a few of the decisions Maria has made (although I do believe that she now has her act together), but having heard McGavick speak, I would be a lot less happy had he won.

Jim McDermott, 7th District Congressional Representative (Democrat, very progressive, and royal pain in the ass to the Bush administration) won re-election by a huge margin. Something like 78% of the vote. Hosanna!!

Interesting note:   Pierce County, just south of King County in which Seattle resides, has started a Charter Amendment to eliminated Washington State's controversial primary election system and replace it with instant run-off voting. Go for it!! If so, I could make happy (or at least get them off my back) those who scream at me for advocating voting for viable candidates rather than the odd collection of Don Quixote candidates that they (and I) I may really prefer, but who don't stand a chance.

Just finished listening to Bush's press conference. He seems far more articulate than he's been in the past, but he did quack and limp quite a bit.

It's a pretty good day.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM

Wyoming House still too close to call. Many, many recounts...ad nauseum. Sigh....


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Grab
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:38 PM

Beg pardon - got it wrong about the Senate before.

BBC results:-

MONTANA - 99% COUNTED
John Tester (D): 194,914
Conrad Burns (R): 193,179

VIRGINIA - 99% COUNTED
Jim Webb (D): 1,170,564
George Allen (R): 1,162,719

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:23 PM

To capitalize on the "Democratic Wave" of 2006 in 2008 will require real leadership on the part of the Democratic Party, in success in overcoming whatever obstacles the Republicans and their President place in their way. If the voters who swung this election for the Democrats are frustrated by what the Democrats are able to achieve, they could easily rally behind a moderate Republican presidental candidate and sweep the Republicans back into majorities on his or her coat-tails.

It's always hard work to win elections, and harder work to accomplish something significant once in office.

It's going to be very difficult to unravel the international mess that Bush and his cronies have gotten us into, and the domestic mess could be equally challenging.

Time to catch up on some much needed sleep!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results - Rumsfeld Out!
From: GUEST,PeteBoom (at work)
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:12 PM

NBC is reporting that the Montana senate seat has gone to the Democratic challenger and that Donald Rumsfeld is being replaced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: GUEST,PeteBoom (at work)
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:00 PM

Wolfgang - Fair questions. I'll try to summarize.

In general, the concerns focused on technology issues. Most notably, the lack of a physical paper trail for voting transactions in some machines was top on the list of the professional software folks I know. That is, there is no way in some of the systems to work back to track precisely how a given voter cast their ballot. This is heightened by comments of a former CEO of Diebold on how he'd "deliver" the election for the Republicans.

Some of the systems generated a paper "receipt" (which corresponded to a "transaction record" within the file containing voter activities) that could be presented to the person voting. This was to act as a certainty of how they voted - it also was to be a confirmation of the summary displayed on the screen of the voting machine for the voter to approve the action ("Yes, I really am certain this is how I voted.") These systems are incredibly expensive, and were not deployed in many places at all as a result.

Other systems used a similar process, displaying a confirmation of votes to be cast on the voter's ballot and then saving the transaction - but not generating a paper receipt. These were not as expensive and were more commonly used, however, there were also concerns that some models of this type of machine and some releases of software were open to hacking.

Rather infamously, a Computer Science professor demonstrated what it took to hack into one model in a Congressional hearing - He succeeded in something like 90 seconds. Diebold claimed that it was an older system and was not current. However, there was no satisfactory answer on how many of these "obsolete" systems would be in use on election day.

The least expensive, and least technologically cool, systems were the straight optical scan machines. The trusty fill in the oval or complete the line and feed the paper ballot into a reader. The most advanced versions will scan the ballot for errors or improper marks, or in some cases spoilt ballots, and reject the ballot to be corrected by the voter.

This system gives an absolute paper trail that can be manually verified if needed - and the individual ballots can be tracked to a specific voter. This means that the voting records, recorded by hand by the election workers, can be matched by voting location to every single vote cast.

These machines are also more difficult to hack, as most systems are not actually recording votes - but presence or absence of complete records. These transactions are then fed to a central machine to interpret and tally the results. If there is a challenge, the paper ballots will be available for the purpose of auditing the transactions recorded by the machine.

The use of the new technology was central to the unrest. That combined with varying reliability of audit processes and political comments made by a business eejit fed into the maelstrom.

The simple fact is, old-fashioned electioneering and dirty tricks still work better than any of the high-tech solutions right now. There is also enough room for plausible deniability where these will be around for a while.

Regards -

Pete


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:00 PM

Wolfgang, it's just politicians throwing accusations at each other. Not that it can't and doesn't happen, but usually it's a local sort of thing -- like Daley in Chicago or McGinn county, Tennessee. Eventually their sins do catch up to them, either legally or politically.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:44 PM

Well, lets keep in mind that the Dems will need to have their chops busted on a regular basis to be an alternative voice in the discussion because the board rooms all up and down K Street are filled with folks ready and willin' to put lots of cash into Dem PAC's, Campaign Committees, 401(c)'s an' any other place they can find to stuff money...

So, yeah, enjoy the dismantlin' of the Repub stranglehold today but be leary of the "new boss"...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM

I'd get a laugh out of that wonderful post Amos if it weren't so sadly true. Well done. I was completely without words for the statement that Dems would destroy the soul of the country. Ranks high on the Dumbest Statement list...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM

It's still a race for control of the Senate & will stay that way until Nov 27. Senator Allen of Virginia is behind & looking to beat Webb but is down 7000 or so votes & claims to have picked up 1000 on side of the road somewhere, I'm smelling a rat somewhere looking for the cheese. Still at 49 to 49
Tester (D) is still up by around 10,000 vote which is only a 1% lead over (R) Burns. The Senate needs both of these seats to win control but it looks as if it not gonna be decieded soon.

Good bye to 12 yrs or Rep control of the House, good-bye to bad trash & good-bye to Has-shit & hello to Nancy Pelosi. At present it 195 (R) to 227 (D) with 13 still unaccounted for.

So far there's 26 D Governors to the R's 20

America has spoken, will he lame duck listen. If he doesn't there's a possibility that there'll be no republicans left after the 2008 elections. Of course if the dems don't take the bull by the horns in the following 2 yrs there might be a purge of all incumbents, everywhere.

If it walks & talks like a duck with a limp in both legs it's gotta be the lamest duck that ever crawled out from under of the Bush.
Good-bye Shrub you've now been declared "USELESS"

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:20 PM

I'm pleased with the results, of course, and even my conservative countrymen are, though they might not say so if they are in office.

But please could the USAmericans tell me one thing: Before the elections, I have read here and elsewhere a lot about cheating and vote rigging by the Rebulicans. So what do I make now of these allegations?

(1) It was just paranoia on the left.
(2) The Republicans have cheated, but the swing was so large that it didn't matter.
(3) The evil men controlling the country in the background have decided not to use the vote rigging power this time for no one could have believed such a result.

Or is it another reason I have forgotten to think of?

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Amos
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:16 AM

Democrats will destroy the soul of the country

John:

Undermine the rights of free assembly, free speech? Oh, the Republicans have beaten them to it.

Oh, perhaps turn the nation's soul away from balance, love of fair play, and tolerance into a power-driven warmongering country that has no conscience about unilateral invasions and wreaking death for political reasons? Hmmmm....I think the Republicans got that one.

Undermine the freedom of religion that can only be assured by keeping religion out of issues of state? Whoops, already done.

Undermine the right of privacy by allowing any communication to be tapped at the will ofunidentified government operatives? Oooh, the neocons took care of that one.

Oh -- maybe destroy the soul of the country by trying to dilute the Constitution and making it a vehicle for short-sighted moralist autocrats? Nope, been done.

Well, there's always habeas corpus and the individual absolute right to due process under the law....oh, never mind.

So exactly what is it, in your view, that constitutes the soul of this country that is left for the Dems to have a swing at?

Sexual tolerance?

Sorry to be a bit bitter here, but these last eight years have hammered the soul of this country into a blind spin and left it reeling like a blind man walking across a merry-go-round.

The soul of this country stands in need, I agree. But not because it has been threatened by Democrats.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:05 AM

"It is beginning to look as if the USA may (2 seats in the senate may need to go to 100% manual recount) have recovered its liberty from a tyranny worse than George III!"

Actually, rather fittingly, Dubya is George III. His father was the only President since George Washington to have the name.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Peace
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:57 AM

The House can investigate. I think Bush and Cheney are going to be prosecuted. They are GOING DOWN! HARD!


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Grab
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM

Not sure Bush will be a "lame duck", since Dems have only got equal pegging at best in the Senate, and IIRC Cheney gets the deciding vote. Still, barring major changes it looks like the result in 2 years time is a foregone conclusion.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:56 AM

Yeah, Ron, I will have to give credit to my fellow Virginians, especially those in Northern Virginia who seem to bee too educated to buy into Bush's simplistic and dogmatic thinking... And credit to Richmonders... You take those two regions outta the equation and Allen wins in a landslide...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:50 AM

Yeahn Ron, I really do feel that way. I very rarely say things here that I don't mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:16 AM

Olympia Snow, from a couple thousand miles away, doesn't appear to be a goose-stepping member of the Party. More of a moderate.

Idaho has apparently defeated an attempted land grab ("Protect Idaho land from the Supreme Court's Eminent Domain Decision!") by outside developers by over 76% of the vote. The initiative wasn't needed, since the Legislature (a rational act! huzzah!) dealt with it last Summer.

Looks like a Republican governor, senator, and reps -- maybe! Some of the optical scanning machines have broken down because the company who sold them recommended marking pens with too much red color in the ink! This area will again be Democratic, annoying the Idaho Republican Party greatly. Of course, this is also a stronghold of...(gasp!)...labor unions.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:14 AM

60% of the independents swung for the Dems this time around.

No matter how deserving an impeachment would be there will not be an impeachment: unless Bush - Cheney strike another country with a pre emptive invasion without permission, or if they are caught on camera in a gay relationship.

Bush Cheney said 2 days ago that they will not listen to the people or Congress regarding their plans in Iraq. Taking the hard strident line in stepping up aggresion is their only plan. Not even the James Baker panel seems to be a workable plan to step back or change course. These lame ducks do not pan to go gentle into that good night.

In two years they could dump a pile of goo on the capital steps and call it the remains of bin Laden and it will still not save their eternal war plans and globalization/corporate rule tactics.
What they could run with would be another great terror disaster.
Emergency rules could go full goose bonkers and the fears of even the most polemic 'guest' could be realized.


What ought to happen:


Republican military industrial people should feel satsified that they have wrung all the money they possibly could out of the system.

Those with indescribable wealth should content themselves with sitting on their accumulated pile for at least 6 years.

As for trying to get any of the stolen funds back...not a chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:50 AM

The local election officials and volunteers in my small Maine town still count the votes by hand. There was a 66% turnout which meant it took them over 4 hours to count 1524 votes. As Town Democractic Chair I was there until they were finished, around 12:15 AM, so I could report back to the candidates I'd been working with, and to the County and State officials.

We were gratified that our new young Democrat won 60% of the vote to the Maine House, helping keep a Democratic majority there. This is not an easy town for Democrats to win as it is almost equally divided between Democrats, Republicans, and unenrolled "Independents." And about 10% of the voters supported the Green Party candidate for Governor or other anti-war independents in other races. Our Maine Senate candidate won our town but may not win his district; a major town still hasn't reported in and it is heavily Republican; that candidate was a moderate Republican who two years ago switched to the Democrats and there is no love lost between him and his former party members.

Olympia Snowe, the Republican U. S. Senator, handily won re-election. She appears to be unbeatable.

Our two Democratic Congressional candidates also won re-election by comfortable margins.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:44 AM

If Webb does carry Virginia--(which is still unclear--may be so til December)--you will have to give your fellow Virginians a bit of credit, Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:36 AM

Wonder if George will bring his *smirk* with him to today's press conference???

Looks as if Jim Webb will carry Virginia...

As for Bush declaring himself president-for-life??? Well, yeah, we've always had to have had that in the backs of our minds but I think this is going to be more up to K Street and all indications are the K Street ain't up to having a king/dictator and they are the money people... But, yeah, there's always the fear, GUEST...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:33 AM

" Guest"--

Get a name or a handle--or your contributions are worthless--and, as I've said before, I hope we will all treat them as such. I certainly will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:26 AM

You folks don't get it. Bush now has the power to suspend the Constitution and declare himself president for life. And the Democrats voted for this. And the public just went through another voting farce where votes were stored on memory cards. Now Bush will be impeached so the US can focus on his smirking face while the country is merged with Mexico. The paperwork has already been signed. It's a done deal. But you'll get hissy about stem cell research and "evangelicals" and all the other non-issues and wake up one morning to hear a blurb on TV about the dollar being floated, and the next morning you'll find the "new dollar" is worth a penny. Does any of this sink in? There's only one party at the national level.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:15 AM

In the lobby after trying to vote I met a blind couple who also had their Diebold machine fail when they tried to go into to a mode user friendly to the blind.

I went back hours later and made the election judge note in his log book the details of the Diebold machine failures.

There was nothing noted about the failures until I requested he do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:09 AM

My Diebold voting machine failed while I was voting yesterday.
The chief election judge shut it down after it beeped each time I mtried to make a touch screne selection (24 times) while not allowing my selection for a period of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:04 AM

One of the ironies is that it seems there actually may be some positive developments in Iraq. The Shiite government is now saying it is willing to stop blacklisting all members of the Baathist party. If low-ranking Baathists can be hired, that may start to undercut support for the insurgency.

Though obviously the police problem and the oil revenue distribution still have to be addressed.

But--from the WSJ today:

The Shiite government "charged 57 policemen with torturing prisoners".

And "Al-Douri, Hussein aide turned insurgent, urged a ceasefire".


The question is whether this is too little, too late, to avoid full-blown civil war--according to the WSJ today: "Sunnis and Shiites traded mortar fire across the Tigris in Baghdad, killing 21." That sounds just like civil war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:53 AM

"Iraq war"


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:53 AM

Overall, the country is still pretty much divided down the middle. Regardless of the results, it's still a long way from healing the tormented soul.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:52 AM

" Dems supported Bush in the run-up to the Iraq war...."

1) Some did, some didn't.

2) We've discussed this ad nauseam already--the Bush regime ran a masterful propaganda campaign--in fact 2, one to persuade the US public to support the Iraq warm, and a second to win the 2004 election--"watch out for homosexuals and terrorists.   Here in (your city's name here) a dirty bomb could be exploded. And if homosexuals can call themselves married, YOUR marriage is in danger."

As several of us have said before, it was all about hate and fear.   And in a fearful country, it works like a charm.

Until people start thinking. Which it appears they have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Peace
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:01 AM

"It is a sad day for America. I believe that the Democrats will destroy the soul of the country."

I think in many ways that the US has had its soul ripped apart in the past six years. It may be finding it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:18 AM

I'm sure I remember at least five US presidents wearing "cowboy hats"

Does that count for NOTHING!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Terry K
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:10 AM

Agreed Ake - for the life of me I can't ever tell the difference between the US parties, at least in terms of world policy. They all seem to operate in some kind of parallel universe, restricted by religion and the flag, positively refusing to acknowledge the rest of the world exists, oblivious to the metric system, driving on the wrong side etc etc. And I'm still amazed they never gave John Wayne a crack at being president.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:27 AM

Don't get too excited folks...
Remember the Dems supported Bush in the run up to Iraq...and during the invasion.
Dont trust them.
Blair has led a so called "Liberal" govt in the UK for years, bringing in policies and involving us in a war which the Conservatives could never have persuaded the UK electorate to support.


Beware especially of Mrs Clinton....a she-wolf in sheeps clothing..Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:20 AM

It is beginning to look as if the USA may (2 seats in the senate may need to go to 100% manual recount) have recovered its liberty from a tyranny worse than George III!


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:58 AM

Almost an aside:

In Kansas, and I believe in many places, one is legally entitled to elect whether to use the voting machine or a paper ballot.

I was clearly informed that this choice was available when I signed in to vote; but when it came my turn I was just led to the machine and was never asked if I'd like a paper ballot.

As to the "touch-screen" voting machines, I found the "touch" extremely sensitive. If you weren't really careful it could detect the wandering finger that was "close to" the screen and enter your vote for that one before "you gave them the real finger" you meant to use.

Once "selected," you had to "touch" that candidate a second time to toggle the selection, before you could "touch" your real choice. Some of the attendants understood this "feature" but others were needing help with it in order to help the confused voters.

The only real glitch reported in my area was that the voting machines all turned themselves off precisely at 7:00 pm when voting closed. The law is clear that anyone in the polling place is to be allowed to complete their voting, but it did take a while to get them turned back on (doesn't this suggest tampering is possible?) to allow those in line to vote.

It appears, from early reports, that incumbent Republican US Representative Jim Ryun probably has been defeated; but the results I've seen are too preliminary to be very reliable. My local newspaper site reports that he's lost, but doesn't say how many votes have been counted at this point.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:27 AM

And all the fashionably dire predictions about how Diebold will steal this election--again--will have to be, shall we say, adjusted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:26 AM

John--


"The Democrats will destroy the soul of the country". Interesting. It would be nice if you could provide some evidence--otherwise that sounds amazingly like absurd apocalyptic pontificating. And I'm sure you wouldn't want to convey that impression.






Meanwhile---this thing is just too amazing. At this point, about 2,000 votes separate Allen and Webb in Virginia. Unless things change drastically, it's likely we won't have an answer on that crucial Senate race til December. And at this point Webb is ahead. Truly stunning. So Bobert--don't write off your fellow Virginians as yahoos just yet. I just heard Pat Buchanan say the blue tide is coming into Virginia--and he may have to leave McLean to get away from it.

And Claire McCaskill now has a bit of a lead in Missouri--and may keep it---since the big cities--Kansas City and what is it--St Louis?-- are only now reporting. And that sure does throw my theory out the window--I always thought cities were first to report and the far-flung rural areas were last.

And Burns is behind in Montana.

And the Democrats have already taken Santorum's seat in Pennsylvania, Chafee's seat in Rhode Island, and DeWine's seat in Ohio.

So at this point it is definitely possible that the Democrats could take the Senate outright.

It's already clear that Bush, having lost the House--and 3 Senate seats so far, will be the lamest duck we've seen in awhile.

So it seems the US voting public has woken up--finally.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:16 AM

You really ought to get help, Janet...nothing but negative doom and gloom from you...must be a miserable life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:08 AM

The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 was passed unanimously in the Senate (all Democrats voted for it), and it was passed with 398 votes in the House (93% voted for it). Bush signed this on the same day he signed the Constitution-killing Military Commissions Act. Read on to see what the Defense Authorization Act does:

Bush legalizes martial law -- what Constitution?

On Oct 17, George Bush quietly signed a bill allowing him to declare martial law. The Toward Freedom website summarizes it:

For the current President, "enforcement of the laws to restore public order" means to commandeer guardsmen from any state, over the objections of local governmental, military and local police entities; ship them off to another state; conscript them in a law enforcement mode; and set them loose against "disorderly" citizenry - protesters, possibly, or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event.

The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton. That's right. Under the cover of a trumped-up "immigration emergency" and the frenzied militarization of the southern border, detention camps are being constructed right under our noses, camps designed for anyone who resists the foreign and domestic agenda of the Bush administration.

It's easy to get scabbed over about the Bush White House's assault on the Bill of Rights, but every now and again, they rip loose with an attack so egregious, it rips the scab right off. Between the right-to-torture bill and this one, it's clear that Bush intends to bring back the pork-politics glory of the Cold War by reinventing the Soviet Union on American soil.

http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=282739

So, the Republicans have won a great victory tonight. The unified party in America has duped Democrats into thinking things will change. 100% of the Senate and 93% of the House voted for the above. Read it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:04 AM

It is a sad day for America. I believe that the Democrats will destroy the soul of the country. But this too shall pass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Election results
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:53 AM

Well, southern Arizona is sending new Democrat to Congress, Gabrielle Giffords. (Baja Arizonans, unite!) Unfortunately, kept John Kyl (R) in, though.

We had a record 19 propositions on the ballot:

Bad results (as far as I'm concerned) on several mean anti-immigration props, including voting in English as the official language again (in spite of its being deemed unconstitutional last time). I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Sigh.

On the plus side, we do seem to have passed a strong state-wide anti-smoking measure (making the rest of the state more like Tucson on that front), and knocked down a constitutional amendment for "man-woman-only" marriage (of course, there's alread a statute to that effect, anyway). Also a strong measure for land conservation. And, a state-wide minimum wage raise, which surprises me, pleasantly.

~ Becky in Tucson


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