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dianavan 31 Aug 06 - 01:43 PM
Rapparee 31 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM
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Liz the Squeak 31 Aug 06 - 07:12 PM
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Subject: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:43 PM

I was listening to the local news last night and they were talking about bacteria in our lives.

Did you know that the steering wheel on your car has more nasty bacteria than a toilet seat?

Thought I'd pass this along. Now get out there and wash that steering wheel. Prevent the spread of bacteria. Keep healthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM

I've replaced my steering wheel with a toilet seat instead. Less work.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Becca72
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:47 PM

I've replaced my toilet seat with a steering wheel....


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:48 PM

Did you know that using a dis-infectant on a regular basis on surfaces tends to create bacteria that are not effected by the disinfectant? You should never use the same one more then twice in a row and rotate between several different types.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 02:24 PM

A day at the National Institutes of Health...

To get into the NIH campus, security swabs your steering wheel with a cotton pad. After they have swabbed about 8 cars they test it for explosive residue. Meanwhile the 8th car gets all the germs from the preceeding 7.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 04:51 PM

Why would I blow up NIH?


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: skipy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 05:28 PM

We need these germs! without them we will not be imune!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:12 PM

So who's been peeing on my steering wheel then?

And what about the gear lever (shift stick)?

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:15 PM

How about the pedals?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Cobble
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:24 PM

Why use dis-infectant man as been around for 1000s of years never needed it for most of that time. Dont worry you wont get wiped out by war you'll all die of germ free cleanliness.

                     Thank you Cobble.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: bobad
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:29 PM

A mighty creature is the germ,
Though smaller than the pachyderm,
His strange delight he often pleases,
By giving people strange diseases.
~ Ogden Nash

Did you know that there are more microorganisms in your body than there are people on Earth? We spend millions of dollars each year on anti-bacterial soaps and antibiotics to fend off germs, but, in fact, microorganisms play an essential role in human health and in the functioning of all ecosystems.

http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/317.html


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:46 PM

Yes, I know that there are many beneficial bacteria.

The report I heard was in relation to bacteria that causes illness.

For those of you who have children, keep in mind that those school desks are only washed on the top. Inside the desk is never washed.

Wash your hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:48 PM

There are only a few you need to worry about... e coli from poo, hanta virus from mice infected with hanta virus, stuff like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: bobad
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 08:03 PM

That's right, Alice, as they say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

One recent theory holds that a possible reason for the increase of ear infections, asthma and allergies in kids today is because they tend to be brought up in a more sterile environment than in the past.

Antibacterial soaps and other anti-microbial products are widespread and more children spend their days indoors in daycare, playgroups etc. whereas in the past they would be playing outdoors eating dirt and generally being exposed to way more microorganisms than today.

This exposure keeps the immune system more active and the library of antibodies better stocked to ward off potential pathogens.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 09:07 PM

George Carlin says the secret of his good health is due to swimming in the East River when he was a kid.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: GUEST,mack/misophist
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 12:28 AM

Anti-bacterial soap has it's place. If I stop using it I get boils - bad ones. My immune system is kept exercised by my filthy hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Becca72
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:53 AM

Did anyone else see the report on the Today show a few months ago in which Matt Lauer went around to all kinds of different places with the guy with the swab and they took samples? Well the one that got me was the escalator rail which had traces of nasties from a woman's private area (yes, vag bacteria). I'm sorry, but WASH YOUR FLIPPIN' HANDS!!!!! Bleck!


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: bobad
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:10 AM

"(yes, vag bacteria)."

Lactobacillus is a genus of Gram-positive facultative anaerobe bacteria. They are a major part of the Lactic acid bacteria group, named as such because most of its members convert lactose and other simple sugars to lactic acid. They are common and usually benign, even necessary, inhabitants of humans and other animals. In humans they are present in the vagina and the gastrointestinal tract, and are an important genus of the gut flora. Many species are prominent in decaying plant material. The production of lactic acid makes its environment acidic which inhibits the growth of some harmful bacteria.

Some Lactobacillus species are used industrially for the production of yogurt, sauerkraut, pickles, and other fermented foods, such as silage. Sourdough bread is made using a "starter culture" which is a symbiotic culture of yeast and lactic acid bacteria growing in a water and flour medium. Some yogurt drinks contain Lactobacillus bacteria as a dietary supplement. Korean kimchi is also made using lactic acid fermentation techniques. Many lactobacilli are unique among living things as they do not require iron for growth and have an extremely high hydrogen peroxide tolerance. Lactobacilli, especially L. casei and L. brevis, are some of the most common beer spoilage organisms.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:14 AM

Hand washing is the cheapest and easiest public health measure around. Washing (with soap) for twenty -- that's 20 -- seconds after using the loo could do wonders to prevent the spread of all sorts of diseases. Carry some waterless hand cleaner if you're likely to run into the situation where there's no water AND soap.

Hospital personnel in the US have cut iatrogenic (hospital-caused) infections more than in half simply by handwashing (soap & water or the waterless cleaners) before moving from one patient to another.

And don't hawk up a big 'un and spit, either. Back when TB was prevalent you could have been fined for public spitting -- a law we should perhaps renew. Use a disposable tissue -- wipe your work-sweaty brow with a handkerchief (or use it to discretely carry your smelling salts).


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:28 AM

No bacteria (read:germs)=no cider. This may depress a few of you!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:39 AM

Also no beer, wine, or whisky or whiskey. Also no cheese.

Besides, you'd die rather horribly.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: JennyO
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:01 AM

I heard that in order to wash your hands thoroughly, you need to keep doing it for as long as it takes to sing Happy Birthday right through.

Can you picture it? A row of people in the rest room singing "happy birthday to yooooooo....."


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Becca72
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:03 AM

JennyO, I work for a local hospital and that's exactly what they've told us to do. Imagine a row of physicians singing and washing their hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:37 AM

I travel for my job, so I have to use public bathrooms most of the week and sleep in hotels most nights. I definitely wash my hands a lot and also use a paper towel to open the door handle of the bathroom exit. Even using the keyboards on the library computers is icky. At least I am no longer working in a hospital, as I did years ago, taking care of the plants. People would spit into the potting soil, throw their gum and food, dump their soda cups in, etc. Lots of sick germs I had to be deal with in the hospital foliage. I am much healthier now that I'm not in that environment. I had a staph infection on my hand when I was a kid that I picked up from somewhere at school. Yes, there are benign germs but there are those germs that can make you sick or kill you. Better to be safe and wash your hands. Even ties that doctors wear have been shown to pick up germs and spread them to patients. Most doctors now are aware they should not wear a tie. If kids in school washed their hands more we wouldn't have such a bad cold and flu season every year.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: leeneia
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:45 AM

"One recent theory holds that a possible reason for the increase of ear infections, asthma and allergies in kids today is because they tend to be brought up in a more sterile environment than in the past."

Yeah? Another recent theory is that today's kids tend to get plopped into daycare with too many small kids in one place, some of whom are coming down with something.

When I see the statistics from poor countries that have high rates of death for children, (from infant diahrrea, etc) I think I would much rather expose my children to too much cleanliness than to too much filth.

Meanwhile, there are good germs, bad germs and neutral germs.

I don't think I'm over-fussy about germs, but whenever I cut up meat, I wash the cutting board immediately. I keep antibacterial wipes in th kitchen, and after cutting up meat, I wipe down the refrigerator handle, the faucet handles, the microwaves buttons and other such things that we touch all the time.

The floor is pretty much on its own.

I read in an article once that most cases of "flu" are really food poisoning caused by unclean kitchens.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 12:48 PM

Alice, we disinfect the computer keys several times a day.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Kaleea
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 07:46 PM

In the olden days of people throughout the American "midwest" living in houses with no plumbing, more people washed their hands before eating than they do today. Not to mention after changing a diaper or using a restroom.


Has you ever thought about how many germs are carried on the air for several feet from the swirling action of the water when you flush the toilet with the lid UP?


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: JennyO
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 05:27 AM

Ah yes, the dreaded aerosol effect! I must admit since reading about this, I have been putting the lid down before I flush.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 04:54 AM

Putting the lid down just creates a barrier that forces the water further sideways than if you left the lid up.... ever aimed a hose at a wall? An unlidded loo may squirt water droplets up to 8 ft, but a lidded loo can force them over 10ft.

Besides.. there are probably more germs on the handle of the cistern than in the water droplets being ejected.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 12:52 PM

I read somewhere that washing your hands can prevent the spread of the common cold


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: GUEST,Bee
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:16 PM

Handwashing after coming in from the barn or the outhouse was normal behaviour where I grew up, and the soap was yellow Sunlight bars. The smell of that soap takes me right back to early childhood on the dairy farm. Sanitation before handling the cows' important bits or being anywhere near the fresh milk was very stringent.

Children in daycares and children in public schools are sharing illnesses, of course, and so are adults in office buidings, on crowded buses and trains, etc. Facts of modern life and not necessarily a bad thing, IMO. People who don't wash their hands frequently (and make sure their children do), don't cover their mouths when coughing or sneezing (and then don't wash their hands!) are responsible for a lot of illness. People who spit on the sidewalk should simply be dropped off at the nearest landfill and told to stay there. (Alright, that's a little overboard, but it's such a disgusting habit!)


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 06:03 PM

In these days of indigestion it is oftentimes a question
As to what to eat and what to leave alone.
Every microbe and bacillus has a different way to kill us
And in time they all will claim us for their own.
There are germs of every kind in every food that you can find
In the market or upon the bill of fare.
Drinking water's just as risky as the so-called "deadly" whiskey
And it's often a mistake to breathe the air.

Cho: For some little bug is going to get you someday.
Some little bug will creep behind you some day.
Then he'll send for his bug friends
And all your troubles they will end,
For some little bug is gonna find you someday.

The inviting green cucumber, it's most everybody's number
While sweetcorn has a system of its own.
Now, that radish seems nutritious, but its behavior is quite vicious
And a doctor will be coming to your home.
Eating lobster, cooked or plain, is only flirting with ptomaine,
While an oyster often has a lot to say.
And those clams we eat in chowder make the angels sing the louder
For they know that they'll be with us right away.

For some little bug is going to get you someday.
Some little bug will creep behind you some day.
Eat that juicy sliced pineapple ;and the sexton dusts the chapel
Oh, yes, some little bug is gonna find you some day.

When cold storage vaults I visit, I can only say, "What is it
Makes poor mortals fill their systems with such stuff?"
Now, at breakfast prunes are dandy if a stomach pump is handy
And a doctor can be called quite soon enough.

Eat a plate of fine pig's knuckles and the headstone cutter chuckles
While the gravedigger makes a mark upon his cuff.
And eat that lovely red bologna and you'll wear a wood kimona
As your relatives start packing up your stuff.

Those crazy foods they fix, they'll float us 'cross the River Styx
Or start us climbing up the Milky Way.
And those meals they serve in courses mean a hearse and two black horses
So before meals, some people always pray.

Luscious grapes breed appendicitis, while their juice leads to gastritis
So there's only death to greet us either way.
Fried liver's nice, but mind you, friends will follow close behind you
And the papers, they will have nice things to say.

For some little bug is going to get you someday.
Some little bug will creep behind you some day.
Eat that spicy bowl of chili, on your breast they'll plant a lily .
Oh, yes, some little bug is gonna find you some day.

Note: Surprisingly enough, this dates back to the 1890s. Brad Kincaid recorded
it in the 30's, Phil Harris recorded it in the 1940s. Sally Rogers recorded it
on Love Will Guide Us, Flying Fish. RG
@food @illness
filename[ SOMEBUG
JMcC, SR


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 06:06 PM

That is the last time I take a crap on my steering wheel.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:43 AM

A couple of years ago I got involved in a big project involving handwashing. There are 2 types of bacteria on your skin - 'resident' and 'transient'. Resident bacteria have evolved to live on your skin and are, essentially, part of you and transients are those that you pick up from external sources. Resident bacteria are usually benign (unless your immune system is compromised - when some of them can turn nasty) and some transients can make you very ill or kill you.
Luckily, although residents can be hard to dislodge (because they have evolved to stick to their host - ie. you), transients are fairly easy to wash off; this is why you need to wash your hands.

It would appear that every part of the body (hands, feet, scalp, armpits, groin etc.) has a different resident microflora and these different floras may play a role in maintaining skin health in those areas. I say 'may' because after reading dozens of scientific papers in this area I never came across one which declared definitively that this was so. Nevertheless, there appears to be a suspicion that killing everything on your skin, with aggressive anti-microbials, may not be good for long term skin health.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:36 AM

btw, They no longer swab steering wheels at the NIH. They make drivers get out and walk through a metal detector and look in the trunk. Passengers are excluded from walikng through metal detectors.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Kaleea
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:41 PM

JennyO, thanks for the link. I have told my neice, with whom I live, several times about this, but she did not believe me. Now I will have her read this article & watch her cringe. She doesn't do much in the way of hand washing, either. Drives me nuts! Thankfully, we each have our own bathroom.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:48 PM

So, flushing the loo spreads germs? The alternative?


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:10 PM

Arthur Guiterman. 1871–

Strictly Germ-proof

THE Antiseptic Baby and the Prophylactic Pup        
Were playing in the garden when the Bunny gamboled up;        
They looked upon the Creature with a loathing undisguised;—        
It wasn't Disinfected and it wasn't Sterilized.        

They said it was a Microbe and a Hotbed of Disease;                 
They steamed it in a vapor of a thousand-odd degrees;        
They froze it in a freezer that was cold as Banished Hope        
And washed it in permanganate with carbolated soap.        

In sulphurated hydrogen they steeped its wiggly ears;        
They trimmed its frisky whiskers with a pair of hard-boiled shears;         10
They donned their rubber mittens and they took it by the hand        
And elected it a member of the Fumigated Band.        

There's not a Micrococcus in the garden where they play;        
They bathe in pure iodoform a dozen times a day;        
And each imbibes his rations from a Hygienic Cup—        
The Bunny and the Baby and the Prophylactic Pup.        

Sings well to just about any hornpipe.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Becca72
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:18 PM

I have heard it said that you should keep your toothbrush at least 20 feet from the toilet to avoid "spray". I think I'm going to keep mine in the car from now on.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: bobad
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:39 PM

Why take chances?

Get yourself into one of these.


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Subject: RE: BS: germs, germs, germs
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:43 PM

I think the poem posted way up there ↑ had another verse...

A mighty creature is the germ,
Though smaller than the pachyderm,
His strange delight he often pleases,
By giving people strange diseases.
(from memory)
His customary dwelling place,
Is deep within the human race.
Do you, my poppet, feel infirm?
You probably contain a germ.

~ Ogden Nash


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