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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Helen
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 08:03 AM

I started a thread recently about the song called "I Was Only 19", written by John Schumann and performed by the group Redgum.

Misuse of song - anti-migrant Oz rallies

I can't comment on this thread on songs about the Vietnam war yet because I haven't read it all, but I thought you might be interested in the other thread as well.

I did read the post by GUEST,Chris/Darwin, Date: 02 Feb 00 - 06:54 AM

I remember that the Vietnam veterans were treated differently than other vets in Australia for a long time. It makes sense to me that the song "I Was Only 19" could have positively influenced public attitudes here.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 04:30 AM

I once heard Kieran Wade sing one of his own songs about the Vietnamese boat people called "The
Trail of Tears". Can't find a recording of it anywhere though.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Apr 15 - 01:13 PM

Sung to tune of Robert Cinnamond's 'Napoleon Bonepart - still one of the bbest
Jim Carroll

Fields of Viet Nam
Ewan MacColl

1 O brothers, though were strangers and your land and mine far apart,
And though your name lies awkwardly and strange upon my tongue,
As the needle's drawn towards the pole, so I am drawn both heart and soul,
To sing of your great struggle in the fields of Viet Nam.

2 Your barefoot farmers would not wear the yoke and chains of slavery,
For four long bitter years they fought the armies of Japan -
Your flesh opposed their armoured might,
You harried them by day and night,
And you drove them from the jungles and the fields of Viet Nam.

3 Before you could draw peaceful breath, more death came raining from the skies,
The French came and for nine more years your land they overran,
But the enemy could not subdue,
They broke at Dien Bien Phu,
And their dead lay all around them in the fields of Viet Nam.

4 The French had scarcely left your shores when more invading armies came,
Equipped with all the latest tools men use to kill a man;
"We've come to show you," was their cry
All the ways a man can die –
And we'll make a bloody desert of the fields of Viet Nam."

5 The skies by day were dark with planes, with hungry flames the nights were red,
The stench of death lay all around with reek of spent napalm,
Death bloomed in every paddy field
And still your people would not yield
To American invaders in the fields of Viet Nam.

6 For thirteen years the U.S. Army's sown your soil with blood and tears,
Impartially they deal out death to woman, child and man,
But still no victory - instead
They count their own dishonoured dead,
And contempt's their only harvest in the fields of Viet Nam.

7 O brothers, where did you find strength to fight so long in freedom's cause?
A quarter-century has passed since first your fight began;
Long have you fought, and valiantly
And as long as men love liberty
They will sing of your great stuggle in the fields of Viet Nam.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 15 - 12:45 PM

I have forgotten the lyrics to a Tom Paxton song that I remember starts with "if you want to get in to trouble, let me tell how you do it. you wake up every morning and you ride in to it".

Will be grateful for any help.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Bettynh
Date: 23 May 13 - 12:09 PM

OK. so I have a book, The Vietnam Songnook, edited in 1969 by Barbara Dane and Irwin Silber. Some of the songs are obviously dated, and many are certainly obscure - there are 7 songs from North Vietnam. I can transcribe a few, scan a few. If you're interested PM me fairly soon because I intend to sell it at Old Songs Festival this year.

I did happen on this one by Pete Seeger:

King Henry

Words by Pete Seeger, Music Traditional (It has chords marked as well, I don't recognize the tune. I can scan it for you).

King Henry marched forth, a sword in his hand
Two thousand horsemen all at his command:
In a fortnight the rivers ran red through the land,
The year, fifteen hundred and twenty.

The year it is now much later it seems,
It's easier far, in the land of our dreams,
Just keep your mouth shut and dont hear the screams
Ten thousand miles over the ocean.

Simon was drafted in 'sixty three,
In 'sixty four, sent over the sea.
Last month this lettter ne sent to me:
He said, "You won't like what I'm saying."

He said, "We've no friends here, not hardly a one.
We've got a few generals who just want our guns.
But it'll take more than them if we're ever to win;
Why, we'll have to flatten the country."

"It's my own troops I have to watch out for," he said.
"I'll sleep with a pistol right under my head;"
He wrote this last month, last week he was dead,
And Simon came home in a casket.

I mind my own business, I watch my TV,
Complain about taxes, but pay anyway,
In a civilized manner my forefathers betray
Who long ago struggled for freedom.

But each day a new headline screams at my bluff,
On TV some general says we must be tough.
In my dreams I stare at this family I love
Alll gutted and spattered with napalm.

(Repeat first and second verses)

Note with the song: Parts of this song are directly from a Kansas serviceman's letter to his wife, written shortly before he was killed in Vietnam in 1965. The quote in the fifth verse is from the letter of an 'Advisor' officer, written a week before his death.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 22 May 13 - 04:59 PM

songs must be free of copyright or every single copyright there is must be waived for every purpose so that people can copy this for their friends if they want. And I will tell you right out there are people I will not even sell a copy to for any price.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 22 May 13 - 04:49 PM

Starting about now I am collecting songs and perhaps singers to make a cd from those who were there or otherwise involved in the war...could be civilian, certainly stateside military or civilian. I am not in the slightest bit interested in hearing how bad we were so don't bother...so if you were in the war somehow let me know. I'm staying away from political views. So far I think I have a Donut Dolly or two, nurses, fixed wing, helicopter pilot, perhaps a jet pilot, adjutant..oops all officers or WO so far...need enlisted obviously. I have a number of songs. Most have not seen the light of day. And have a nice Memorial Day if you commemorate it. mg


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Gene
Date: 22 May 13 - 04:22 PM

UTUBE LINKS for REDGUMs: I WAS ONLY 19

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=utube+redgum&mid=D1F26E71C27613883D00D1F26E71C27613883D00&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY

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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,jack warshaw
Date: 22 May 13 - 06:31 AM

Hi
From 1967 I travelled with Ewan MacColl's Critics Group performing and writing in aid of Folksingers for Freedom in Vietnam. Does anyone have copies of the FFV broadsheets or lyrics of songs issued? Any leads most welcome.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 11 - 11:51 AM

Phil Ochs- Talking Vietnam
Vietnam potluck- Tom Paxton


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 06:07 AM

Billy Don't Be A Hero - Paper Lace
Black Steel In The Hour of Chaos - Public Enemy
Songs About The Vietnam War


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 12:25 PM

What, no "Bad Moon Rising"?


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:19 AM

I think I'll add in a link to Joel Mabus's fine song about the Vietnam Memorial: click here for lyrics

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:08 AM

Pushing my supermarket at a leisurely stroll with a friend one early Sunday afternoon for some reason the powers that be in the supermarket decided to play a selection of sixties music which included the Animals 'We Gotta get Out of this Place' and Jefferson Aeroplane's 'White Rabbit' and I had visions of the chinnooks with the rotors going round and I just wanted to make for the wine section get a few bottles and get out of there. Although they do not have Vietnam lyrics as such it conjured up the time and it was so depressing that nothing has changed apart from anything else. I suppose the supermarket would not have had any idea about the significance of the songs it is just a generation thing.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 11:35 AM

Guest, Josh, probably not the one you are looking for, but please have a look at this one: CLICK HERE.

When looking for specific lyrics, it usually best to start a new thread about it, which I have done for you HERE.

Welcome to the Mudcat,

kat - one of the moderators


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Seth from Olympia
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 10:21 AM

Yhese days, age 65, going through grocery stores especially, the muzak pumps out a lot a old sixties pop music, some of it good, some of it awful, some of it(The letter, 96 Tears, Dock of the Bay and a few others) songs that connect me right back there. GIves me the willies. Don't want to hear them, especially when I'm pushin' my grocery cart around out in public. Makes me want to scream and holler and throw up my hands... Am I the only person who has this reaction? My wife, also 65, doesn't respond to any of it..thanks for this long thread...


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 09:23 AM

Anyone know of a song about a man meeting a veteran at the Vietnam Memorial, and finding out the veteran's a ghost? Been bugging me for literally 15, 20 years.
Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,RED
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 10:21 AM

In addition to several John Prine songs, my favorite is The Ballad of Penny Evans as sung by Steve Goodman.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Falco
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 05:42 AM

Don't forget "Country Joe McDonald and the Fish" Great song.

"And it's one, two three what are we fighting for"


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Pavel From Russia
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 03:32 AM

Hallo everybody!

Who knows how to play Boonie Rat song?
Who know the chords?


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: 5thgroup
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 01:08 PM

Last of the three...

When Veterans Were Old Men.

Do you remember when you were a child, and a parade was so much fun?
All the veterans marching along, enjoying the walk in the sun.
We always thought of veterans then, whose wars were over and done
As aging men whose days were filled with stories of battles won.

With crippled backs and tired old faces and hands and feet so sore.
"I'll never be that old," I said. "How did they fight their war?"
But then, when we came back, so young and oh so tired,
Veterans were what they called us, then, a name we never desired.

Oh, sure they called us other things, baby-killer, murderer, thief.
But only "Veteran" finally stuck, but that was no relief.
For now we see ourselves each day, talking with others like us.
"Veteran?" Yes, but when and how did age and wear finally strike us?

The days grow short, the nights seem cold, our youth now out of reach.
We're veterans now, and so we go. Our lessons we must teach.
Each age must pay its dues, it's said. Some pay much more than others.
The highest price is paid in blood, by husbands, sons and brothers.

I look in the mirror and who do I see? My grandfather and his son.
And also peering back at me, I see, me and my own dear son.
So listen to what we have to say, Veterans we may be.
Perhaps you see old worn-out men, but remember: YOU ARE FREE!

*********************
This first part was written in 1991, as my response to being particularly struck by the youth of
Desert Storm veterans, and the age of my fellow Vietnam Veterans, as the many groups
marched in San Francisco's Welcome Home Desert Storm Parade.

On Veterans' Day, 1999, I was finally sensitized to the many women and families so
greatly affected by wars and the trials suffered at home, often in silence.
This is now the completion for the above:


For Evelyne:
And now I know and now I see the invisible veterans too.
The mothers, the daughters, and all the wives and what they had to do.
The tears that came and the tears to come, and all the pain to feel;
Of how they served, and how they hurt, and what they got from the deal.

And what of the woman later wed to a vet who was hurting so?
Of his pain, and of his trials, and his history he would never show?
Like so many men he had held it in, and never had let it flow,
And now he's gone, and now she aches, and why? She'll never know.

The tears and fears and losses borne by the ones we left back home
Were never measured and never known and were always felt alone.
We honor the men and praise their strength and salute their pain and skill,
But on no day has any town paid tribute to those who hurt so still.

For some the pain was given to them by the men they loved and knew,
For other women who lost it all, the hurt runs just as true.
So when you see those lonely eyes or the bruises deep and blue,
Remember the woman with loves lost or gone, like us, she is a veteran too.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: 5thgroup
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 01:05 PM

Another effort:

                 The Wall 2


The night we held the camp
        against Charlie
                was long
                and cold
                and wet.

He came out of the woods
        to murder us
                with guns
                and bombs
                and fire.

Johnson and Nichols and Jacobs and Brown
        took their positions
                at the edge of the camp
                at the edge of the world
                at the edge of their lives.

Johnson and Nichols and Jacobs and Brown
        held their positions
                and laid down
                a steady stream of fire
                that poured into the
                hordes that came,

Stopping the masses advancing on us
        until the dawn came and
        we knew
        we lived.

Johnson and Nichols and Jacobs and Brown
        still hold their positions
                on The Wall.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: 5thgroup
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 01:03 PM

In this and the next two posts are three poems wrought by my meager hand.

THE A-TEAM NIGHT

               
                The monsoon's hot rain had washed away
                Day's light. We could not see, yet knew
                The fight to come. We huddled there
                In the mud, weapons in our hands.
                Ready to die, hoping to live,
                        Not knowing which would be.
               
                There is no way out save dying.
                I cannot just get up and leave.
                I cannot change yesterday's dead.
                I cannot help my buddies through
                        This hell to come tonight.
               
                                                There - in the wire!
                        A shadowed form slips in to blow
                        Us apart, then die.
                                                Stop him NOW!
                        But no one can.
               
                The Captain is dead in the blast.
                Screams and shouts and shots fill the air.
                Confusion is all about me.
                I fire and fire at ghostly figures.
                I shall die, still I fire at them
                        As the wave breaks over us.
               
                Artillery and rockets strike.
                Some ours, some theirs. But yet, the dead
                Do not know, nor care, which side sent
                The killing shot. There is no flag
                To wave over the wasted lives.
                        To furl over the graves.
               
                In the dawn as the smoke drifts by
                Haggard spectres rise and gather
                Over those dead and dying men
                To count the cost; to ease the pain
                Of the wounded and the untouched.
                        And to ask, "Why not me?"
               
                Still, twenty years after that night,
                I sit and cry for those who died
                Where I should have. I cannot change
                The loss, but yet I feel the hurt
                For I am here and they are not.
                        "Why?" I ask again, "Why?"


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Muttley
Date: 30 May 08 - 03:59 AM

3 Great Songs from the Australian perspective:

"I Was Only 19: A Walk in the Light Green"

"Khe Sahn"

"God Bless the Vets"

One very good song from America from a VERY surprising source:

"Some Gave All" by Billy Ray Cyrus


Lyrics to I Was Only 19:

Mum and Dad and Denny saw the Passing-out Parade at Puckapunyal
(It was a long march from cadets)
The Sixth Battalion was the next to tour; It was me who drew the card
We did Conungra, Shoalwater before we left.
And Townsville lined the footpath as we marched down to the quay
This clipping from the paper shows us young and strong and clean
An' there's me in me 'Slouch Hat' with me SLR and 'Greens'
God help me: I was only 19!

From Vung Tau,riding Chinooks, to the dust at Nui Dat
(I've been in and out of choppers now for months)
We made our tents a home; VB and pin-ups on the lockers
An' an Asian Orange* sunset through the scrub

CHORUS
   And can you tell me doctor, why I still can't get to sleep
   The night-times just a jungle, dark and a barking M-16
   An' what's this rash that comes and goes,
   Can you tell me what it means;
   God help me: I was only 19!

A Four-week operation; Any step could mean your last one on two legs
(It was a war within yourself)
But you wouldn't let your mates down 'til they had you 'dusted off'
So you closed your eyes and thought about somethin' else
An' then someone yelled out "Contact!" and the bloke behind me swore
We hooked in there for hours: Then a God-almighty roar
Frankie kicked a mine the day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me: He was goin' home in June

I can still see Frankie drinking 'tinnies' in the Grand Hotel
On a thirty-six-hour 'Rec Leave' in Vung Tau
An' I can still see frankie lying screamin' in the jungle;
'Til the morphine 'kicked' and killed the bloody row.
And the ANZAC legends never mentioned mud and blood and tears
An' the stories that my father told me never seemed quite real
I caught some pieces in me back that I didn't even feel
God help me: I was only 19!

CHORUS
   And can you tell me doctor, why I still can't get to sleep
   And why the Channel Seven chopper chills me to my feet
   An' what's this rash that comes and goes,
   Can you tell me what it means;
   God help me: I was only 19!

   And can you tell me doctor, why I still can't get to sleep
   The night-times just a jungle, dark and a barking M-16
   An' what's this rash that comes and goes,
   Can you tell me what it means;
   God help me . . . . . (fade out) (let the chord die naturally)

I was only 19 was written and recorded by 'Redgum' to tell the story of one Vet who was hit in the spine and rendered paraplegic by shrapnel from a land-mine which killed his best mate Frank while they were out 'Jungle Bashing' (on patrol).
A Walk in the light green refers to the maps they used. If the patrol area was coloured in dark green, it meant impenetrable jungle which gave a sense of security as those areas were harder to set up ambushes in. However, light green meant open jungle, plantation rice paddies etc - perfect places to get "hit" by the enemy.

I Was Only 19 was pretty much the catalyst for the government turning around and FINALLY acknowledging the service of the Vets and recognising the filthy treatment and neglect of them by governments and ordinary Australians both since 1972. It led to the Welcome Home March held in Sydney in October 1987 - 15 to 25 years too late; but at least it was an acknowledgement.

The "Asian Orange Suset" lyrics are frequently altered to "AGENT Orange Sunset" - the defoliant has led to innumerable skin diseases and cancers in Vets as well as birth defects in their children and grandchildren.


Terms Used:
Passing-out Parade - end of basic training
Puckapunyal - main trainee base for recruits (National Service
             conscripts and 'Regulars') the other was Kapooka
Conungra - Jungle warfare training base
Shoalwater - Amphibious landing training base
Townsville - northern Queensland city where soldiers headed for
             Vietnam to begin a tour shipped out from.
Vung Tau - Main Australian Coastal Base / Airforce Base
Chinooks - twin rotor transport choppers
Nui Dat - Main Australian Tactical Base in Phuoc Tuy Province
VB - Victoria Bitter - beer
'dusted off' - evacuation - medical or otherwise
"Contact!" - enemy encountered
'tinnies' - cans of beer
ANZAC - Australian & New Zealand Army Corps - formed in 1915 and
       forged a legend of bravery under fire and holding out
       against superior odds and superior terrain in 1915 at
       Gallipoli



KHE SAHN

I left my heart with the sappers 'round Khe Sahn
And I sold my soul with my cigarettes to the Black Market Man
I've had the Vietnam cold turkey from the ocean to the Silver City
And it's only other Vets can understand

Bout the long-forgotten dockside guarantees
There were no V-Day heroes in 1973
And how we sailed into Sydney Harbour
I saw an old friend but I couldn't kiss her
She was loud and I was home to the Lucky Land

She was like so many more from that time on
Their lives were Oh-so empty until they founf their 'Chosen One'
And their legs were often open; but their mind was always closed
And their hearts were held in fast, suburban chains

And the legal pads were yellow; hours long, pay-packets lean
And the telex writers clattered where the gun-ships once had been
But car-parks made me jumpy and I never stopped to think
'Bout my growing need for Speed and Novocaine

So I worked across the country from end-to-end
Tryin' to find a place to settle down where my mixed-up life could
mend
Held a job on an oil rig; flyin' choppers when I could
But the night life nearly drove me 'round the bend

And I travelled 'round the world from year to year
And each one found me aimless: One more year the worse for wear
And I've been back to south-east Asia; but the answers sure ain't there
So I'm drifting north to check things out again

Well the last plane out of Sydney's almost gone
In only seven flyin' hours, I'll be landin' in Hong Kong
An' there ain't nothin' likr the kisses from a teen-aged Chinese
    Princess
I'm gonna hit some Hong Kong mattress all night long

Well the last plane out of Sydney's almost gone
You know the last plane out of Sydney's almost gone
An' it's really got me worried - I'm goin' nowhere an' I'm in a
    hurry
Y'know the last plane out of Sydney's almost gone

      (Repeat & Fade)

Khe Sahn was written and recorded by Sydney Rock Band 'Cold Chisel' and rapidly became an anthem for the Vets (as did I was Only 19 - but they coulkd sing Khe Sahn without getting 'misty'). Despite being a rock ballad and usually sung fairly hard and raucously - it does do well on acoustic and with a slightly softer treatment.


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Silver City - Sydney


Sorry - can't find my copy of "God Bless the Vets" - an obscure CD recorded by a brother from our Bike Club - God's Squad. "Kool" wrote and recorded it and was close to many blokes from the Vietnam Veteran's Motorcycle Club - he got involved through me because we were close and due to my being in God's Squad, I was the Padre for the VVMC Australia wide.

Muttley

God Bless the Vets


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,AuntKathy
Date: 29 May 08 - 10:37 AM

My name is Kathy and since my 2 nephews enlisted.Anthony is 20 and in the Navy and his younger bro Vito.19 is in the Army. I have been haunted by a song that I listened to on the radio one Memorial Day weekend back in the mid 90s.It just so happened that I had been taping music that day and caught an exclusive debut of Vietnam Veteran.Timothy P. Irwins song After The War. The song. the true story behind it....well. the whole experience truly changed my life forever.I treasured that song for many. many years. A few years back though the tape came up missing andI was crushed.Eventually I got over it until I found out last fall that Vito was going to be deployed to Iraq and Anthony to Kuwait. Ive Googled searched the song and the writer but I cant find ANYTHING at all. If anyone out there has any suggestions on where I might be able to locate this songwriter and/or song. I would greatly appreciate your help. Please email me @ Maries13thchild@yahoo.com. Thank you for taking the time to read this and God Bless.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: DannyC
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:45 AM

Mike Dugger of Kansas has written a few powerful songs about his experiences as a boat gunner in the Mekong Delta (late' 60s - early '70s). I think he may have recorded a couple of them. Mike can likely be reached thru the website for the group "Glen Road".


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:19 AM

ask my son is both about this war in Iraq and the Vietnam war as sung in the voice of a vietnam vet. talking about his life and his sons in Iraq.

please go to askmyson.org

Richard
c0-writer


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: NH Dave
Date: 19 May 00 - 10:41 PM

I object to the use of the term "parody" applied to the various Viet Nam War songs that are sung to an older tune. A parody, to me, is something sung to a familiar tune that derides or makes fun of the old tune, or the older words to the tune. Most of us in Viet Nam were not accomplished musicians or composers, just folks who had something to say, and managed to fit it into the scanscion of a familiar tune, mainly because that was a tune they and those around them knew and sang. This is an ancient folks tradition, or the abbreviation "TTA" would not have so much use here in our database. It is frequently said that people like Woodie Guthrie and Robert Burns put all their lyrics to a very limited number of tunes. "Come all ye Tramps and Hawkers", "Paddy West", and another song about a lover on the shores of Lake Ponchitrane [sp] all use similar, if not identical, tunes, yet none is considered a parody of any of the others.

Additionally, many military songs of one generation, say WWII, got updated once for Korea and then again for Viet Nam, and probably were sung with newer words in Kuwait, Somalia, or Kosovo. One such song, sung TTA The Wabash Cannonball, started out about a civilian airfield in Teeterboro NJ, got updated to "Itazuke Tower" during Korea, and in Viet Nam became "Ubon Tower". No parody here, just a song changing to meet a newer need.

We were lucky to have folks like those on the "In Country" CD who were able to craft new words to old tunes, and even write new tunes occasionally, to let us know how this war was really sung.

Dave


This thread is getting to be a bit long, so a civic-minded Mudcatter created an extension.
You will find it listed as: Songs About Vietnam Part II

Please don't post any more message here.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 19 May 00 - 09:48 AM

This is a long thread, and I have not yet read every word. But I don't believe anyone has yet mentioned "Born In the USA" by Bruce Springsteen. Don't assume you know where this one is coming from without listening closely to the words -- it's a very different song than it's been made out to be.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,AF Dave
Date: 19 May 00 - 09:13 AM

"In Country" has been mentioned, but there is a whole series of songs, now available on compact discs, by Dick Jonas, a fighter pilot who flew over Viet Nam.

Search for Jonas or erosonic.com AFAI can recall.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GreatGoo
Date: 19 May 00 - 12:18 AM

How about "The Ballad of Ben Tre"

Gonna tell a little story
About a town they called Ben Tre
Sittin on a river bank
As pretty as you please
Till she got caught between
Two idyologies .....


Don't remember who sang it, more of a poem to words as I recall.

GreatGoo


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 18 May 00 - 07:00 PM

Revisited this old but thought-provoking thread having seen it under "Mudcat Classic Threads" in the FAQ thread.

Just to bring it up the list again I'll chip in with one or two songs that always seem to get overlooked. There is one by Dory Previn that begins "On the veterans' big parade..." (sorry, don't know its title), one titled "My son John" or similar by Tom Paxton, which really should be in the DT, though I've not found it under various permutations, and a protest song by Buffy St Marie called "Moratorium."

"Jimmy Newman" which deservedly gets some mentions above is not by John Denver as someone claimed, but by Tom Paxton as someone else (earlier in the thread!) said.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Allan C.
Date: 03 Feb 00 - 11:02 AM

This thread is getting to be a bit long. So I have created an extension. You will find it listed as: Songs About Vietnam Part II


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 11:18 PM

For Mary G any chance we could take this thread to a part two because she cannot download beyond 90 posts,,,,Mudcat wizards who can please do. I believe it's important. Yours,Aye.Dave


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: annamill
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 11:14 PM

I started reading this thread because someone was moved by the something 'spaw had said... I wanted to see..

I'm sitting here crying.. I HATED THAT TIME!

I had beautiful young friends that went away and died, or worse, came back with so much hurt I didn't know who they were. I fought with everything I had that stupid war!! PAIN!!

My friend Art (not our Art) and I were talking and he was angry because his brother had died so far away and he didn't want his brother to have died for nothing....but he did..he did..

I created a poster called "The color of blood when you're at war". It had the pictures from Life of the Milay Massacre (I can't even spell it..cheez). The young mother with her hand held up just before one of OUR soldiers killed her and her child..

Kent State...

I was ashamed to be an American, a human.. I wanted my friends back!!!!

Shit!!

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: JVZ
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 06:00 PM

Arlo Guthrie wrote a song a little while back. I think it's called "When a Soldier Makes It Home" The lyrics are on his sight. I think you'll find it a good read and/or a good listen. On the CD that I have of it, he introduces it by saying that over the years he's met two kind's of people, those who care and those who don't; and you'll find both kinds on either side of any issue. He went on to say that you can find, at times, a lot more in common with some folks who disagree with you passionately than you might with some others who agree with you, but with little zest or ferver. Sorry, Arlo, for paraphrasing so poorly.

John


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: BarbaraLynn
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 03:39 PM

""That's an interesting "take" on what the VC might have thought." I'm not sure whether I see the soldiers in the bushes as VC or Americans, and whether it makes too much difference. Any war both sides end up killing innocent civilians, and most of the people who do the killing feel pretty bad about it, and that's what the song is about."

Yep, I got that about how the soldiers in the bushes could be VC or Americans -- it's a really nice turn of phrasing, there. My thought I guess was that in the broader context of this thread, some might take it at first glance to refer to Americans, but when I read it, I thought it one way first and then the other way and so commented. And you are so right that no matter who does the killing, pays an emotional price for it. There is a book entitled _On Killing_, by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman that explores the psychology.

BarbaraLynn


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: folk1234
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 02:33 PM

Of course, 'Spaw, or anyone else, my words are freely given to the public domain. That's where they should be.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Marki
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 02:18 PM

Well, unfortunately I'm too young to have been around at the time of the Vietnam War and I don't even know a whole of history about it. Never-the-less I do know a couple of good songs about it (which is what this thread started out as, right?)

One is called "A Veteren's Song" by the Scottish rock group Nazareth. Sorry I don't know the words off hand, but it's quite touching & depressing.

Two is the song "The Wall". I believe other's here have mentioned it (written by Tim Murphy). I have a fabulous version of it sung by John McDermott (on his CD "If ye break Faith").

Another song about war but not specifically the Vietnam War is "After the War". No not the one that was mentioned earlier here. It's one by Paul Gross (Canadian actor/singer/songwriter) and it's on his cd "Two Houses". It's basically any soldiers song. I cried the first couple times I heard it. Again, sorry I don't know the words off hand.

I appreciated reading everybody elses rants & raves. Quite fascinating, especially for someone like me who as a young Canadian, doesn't know too much about the Vietnam War. Thanks. It's been a good read.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 02:05 PM

I don't know how I managed to miss this thread when it was first posted. I turned 18 in 1965............tho not a Vietnam song per se, to this day I cannot sing Eric Bogle's "No Man's Land" all the way thru nor yet listen to it with dry eyes- certainly this also was a 'whole generation who were butchered and damned'.

For the last sevaral days things have come to mind that I hadn't thought of in thirty years... but should have.

To each & every one of you, Thanks.

Greg


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 01:37 PM

"That's an interesting "take" on what the VC might have thought." I'm not sure whether I see the soldiers in the bushes as VC or Americans, and whether it makes too much difference. Any war both sides end up killing innocent civilians, and most of the people who do the killing feel pretty bad about it, and that's what the song is about.

PRETTY BOY FLOYD is in the DT, with a tune attached.


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: lamarca
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 01:04 PM

Warning: thread creep....

Spaw, yesterday you wrote:
Last, I let a friend read it who is a high school government teacher and he asked he could have a copy. I said no. This was a very personal thread and I would want permission from everyone on it before I gave it to anyone...

This is the kind of attitude about the Mudcat discussion group that NEEDS to be countered. THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE FORUM!!! All of these very personal revelations are up here and available for everyone in the whole world to see. If you are uncomfortable about having them passed around to people you don't know, you should not be posting them!

'Spaw, this isn't meant as an attack on you personally, but I wish more people would begin to understand that once they've posted something here on the 'Cat, it is open to ANYONE who clicks on that thread.

We regular posters have developed a community of people who like to reach out and correspond with each other about things that are important in our lives. This thread has been an important example of this. But please, always realize that our "audience" isn't limited to the friends we have made here.

Sorry for the digression, but this has pushed my buttons about privacy and the Web big time...

Mary


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 09:22 AM

MaryG, what a sweet and fine song.

Whose is it? Did you write it?

I love it.

A


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: BarbaraLynn
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 08:43 AM

mg, that was Beautiful. I think I've got to get to an ocean pretty soon, after that....

I'd like to just say that, along with others, I have been deeply touched by virtually all the posts in this thread. There have been a number of diverse viewpoints and experiences shared, and they merit thoughtful attention and respect. It's a rare thing when a group of people who mostly don't know one another on a face-to-face basis, can open up like this on such a sensitive topic, and do so with Heart and without rancor. There are legacies from the Vietnam War that are awful to contemplate, but this thread shows that there are also legacies that in every way Honor the most fundamental thing that any war will teach: that we as human beings need to care about one another.

'Spaw, go to it!

BarbaraLynn


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: GUEST,Chris/Darwin
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 06:54 AM

Like a lot of other latecomers to this thread, I have been blown away. In Australia we went into a draft ballot from 1965. My birthday did not come out of the hat, so I went on to a "normal" life. Because my father and father-in-law were both WW2 vets, I thought it was my duty at the time to serve in Vietnam if I was called up. That later changed, but at 20 you are not very politically aware.

By the time Australia pulled out in 1973, the tide of public opinion was firmly against our involvement in Vietnam. Australia has had a long history of opposition to conscription; so many lies were told by our leaders at the time, that most Australians came to believe that it was all wrong.

The result of that was almost total rejection of returning serviceman, just as Mick so eloquently describes. I know many vets from my age group, and universally they did not talk about Vietnam or their part in it - they wouldn't even acknowledge involvement unless prompted. I can only imagine what they must have gone through on their return to Australia. Some didn't make it, like a bloke in Tamworth I knew whose body was destroyed by a mine, and who lived a blind and painful (but cheerful and uncomplaining)existence for 15 years before dying of complications.

For Australian vets, it was the song "I was only 19" that turned the tide of public opinion. The writer, John Schuman of the band "Redgum", was clearly against the war. However, the story of Frankie stepping on a mine on the day mankind stood on the moon touched him deeply.

Australians finally came to terms with the fact that the servicemen were not monsters at all, but ordinary men who answered their country's call, even if it is now clear that the call was based on lies.

Australian vets still do not talk about the war, but are now less defensive and much prouder than before the song came out. Monuments, marches, reunions are now possible. Although these can never wipe away the scars, for many the change has meant being part of the community again.

The power of song never ceases to amaze me. Certainly in this case one song changed a nation's attitude.

Thanks for the inspiration Mick and others, I have never been moved more reading anything in my whole life.

Regards Chris


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Subject: Lyr Add: WASHAWAY BEACH^^
From: Mary G
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 03:16 AM

I have a lot of songs about the war...I was an Army Officer, stateside...adjutant with the transportation corps...

Ancient Mariner..your words are true...we just found out today we lost another one...101st...

Barbara L. and any other women..I run an email list for women who were affected by the war...as veterans, widows, fiances etc...called Sanctuary after the ship..http://wwwl.angelfire.com/wv/sanctuary

to whoever wrote those hateful words about the green berets...for shame...

here is the song called WASHAWAY BEACH..for a nurse...

I live in a land they call washaway beach
where the cranberries grow and the sandpipers screech
the land keeps washing away from my reach
oh wash me away in the morning

chorus

for time and the tide have taken a toll
on the beach and the jetty the shore and shoal
the weary old waves they just rock and they roll
and wash me away in the morning

if you wash away sand you can wash away grief
and cleanse me of memories past all belief
at very long last I can get some relief
oh wash me away in the morning

wash every enemy wash every friend
give us the peace where the peace has no end
what war tore assunder let nature now mend
oh wash me away in the morning

the sea washed away and the sea can rebuild
and wash all the places where blood has been spilled
my heart has been broken my heart will be filled
oh wash me away in the morning...

mg


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Feb 00 - 01:53 AM

Two things.

First, you may use anything I have written here.

Second, I would like you to sit quietly in a corner and reflect on these two words and let them stir up all the deepest meanings within that they can convey. The words are "Thank You".

Mick


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 11:34 PM

Well, 'Spaw, no one can write in any time not his own, but please save all this thread backed up or printed, somewhere you can get it out. So if you do find the moment when the crystallizing vision of how to do it comes tyo you, you'll have it if needed. Thanks for thinking about it.

A


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 11:05 PM

Good Lord, this thread had an interesting day.........

To all of you who posted, I am grateful. Thirty years and I sit here with the powerful memories of that time and the time that followed replaying like a movie I just saw......Wasn't thirty years was it? Seems like yesterday. folk1234, well spoken and the power comes from the truth you speak. Maybe that's what this thread has in it more than anything else...truth.

Amos & Sorcha....I've been thinking about it for almost a year. Maybe there will be a time that's right for me to try to tie all this up. I hope so.

Pat


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Subject: RE: Songs about Vietnam War
From: BarbaraLynn
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 10:49 PM

That's an interesting "take" on what the VC might have thought . And certainly is well written, I wish I knew the tune so I could better put it together, but I don't think I know it, will have to check the files.

In a more serious vein, and pursuant to the thread, since I had a loved one (my fiance) over there with the Marines in '67-'68, different songs to me symbolize the Vietnam War. Songs like "Soldier Boy" (don't recall who did it), and "Unchained Melody" (Righteous Bros.). "Cruel War" (PP&M) was one I played again and again on my guitar, although it was hard to get through it without tears.

At the time, Our Song, his and mine, was "Never My Love" (The Association), which I had on a 45 rpm record (remember those?). Played that practically non-stop in my college dorm room while writing letters. Well...my fiance did not come back alive. So, after a while, I put that record away.

A couple of years later, I took all my 45's, which were boxed in some sort of order, and I turned the whole stack over and put them on the turn-table, figuring to listen to all those "flip sides" that never made it big, stuff I'd never heard. I was working away on something, and this song came on that just froze me -- mind and body. It was a stirring, but mournful, song about the death of a soldier...and when I went to see WHAT it was on the back of...it was on the back of Our Song. The title of it is "Requiem for The Masses" (The Association) and it is most definitely about the Vietnam War. And it was there all along, like a hidden sign or something....

BarbaraLynn


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