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GUEST,sorefingers 17 Jul 06 - 09:44 PM
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Subject: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:44 PM

Watching the G8 meeting on the TV and hearing the report that no member there wanted to stop the bombing of Lebanon, on the one hand, and seeing the graphic photos on the internet of little Lebanese children cut to shreds by the Israeli bombs, makes me wonder how near to a nuclear war the world leaders are willing to go?

Do they think that the Islamic nations are as hearless as they, the politicians of the world, are?

Or have we passed that point already? Does anybody know what the Pakistani Muslems are going to do? Will they get involved to defend Islam/Iran and Syria?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:49 PM

I say blow the whole thing up and start over. Don't allow any religion.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:56 PM

"Kill them all. God will know his own."

How very, very Christian.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:57 PM

Well, hate to harp on poor ol' Mr. Bush but much of this is his fault... He has single handedly started no one, but two, unwinnable wars and he has turned his back on the Middle East... Now that the Middle East is blowing up he makes enought noise to wake up a sleeping mouse but not much beyond that...

Yeah, this is the Bush foriegn policy playing out that rewards his campaign contributers over what is best for the world and the country...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: dianavan
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:40 PM

sorefingers, you ask,

"Does anybody know what the Pakistani Muslims are going to do?"

Aside from the common, everyday, Pakistani Muslim, most of the terrorists are trained in the hinterlands of Pakistan and they want Kashmir, too.   

With all the action in Lebanon, I guess you've forgotten about Mumbai. You make me wonder if anyone is really connecting the dots?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Troll
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:59 PM

What dots. As everyone seems to know, it's all Bush's fault. None of this would have happened if Bush hadn't/had only ....you fill in the blanks.

Ebbie, you give me hope. Just when I think I have you safely categorized, you say something sensible.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:26 AM

That was Dinavan, Troll -- Ebbie has not posted to this thread at this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:41 AM

The night air seems to be getting to poeple . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:02 AM

Sensible is in the eye of the sensible.....
Be not at fault if you faulter unto the un-faultered.
The simple meaning of life does not limit the simple.
It only remains a senseless act if committing a senseless act unto the- unwilling, unwanting and unknowing.
Therefore, let the thought of the unwilling,unwanting and unknowing, result in the result... .:::
and forget the whole fucking thing.

Love, peace and getting some of the strawberry pie left over from the rapture, Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:11 AM

Did we meet in the 1960s? I understood that, RR.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:11 AM

Is it Sara Lee Strawberry Pie?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:15 AM

The Middle East has turned its back on the UN and the Palestinians for years. They sponsor this violence, encourage it, and have never allowed any peace process to take hold in the region. The west has just given up trying in my opinion. WW3 is upon us i'm afraid


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:20 AM

"On the sixth day of its major offensive in Lebanon, Israel was allowing evacuation ships through its blockade of the country. France and Italy moved hundreds of nationals and other Europeans out Monday on a Greek cruise liner. An Italian ship left earlier with 350 people, and other governments were organizing pullouts by land to Syria.

Diplomatic efforts gained traction with Israel signaling it might scale back its demands. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said fighting would halt only if Hezbollah, a Shiite militia that controls much of south Lebanon, pulls back from the border and releases the two soldiers whose capture last week triggered the Israeli offensive."

from the www, news


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:26 AM

Why is it that so many of the men in the Mudcat think all of the women here are interchangable?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:31 AM

I am predictin that the Lebanon 'front' will stop within three days.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:35 AM

You know, Peace, something tells me that if we left all the foreign nationals, tourists and other Europeans in Lebanon to suffer the same fate as the Lebanese people, the violence would end sooner.

Actually, I think its chicken-shit to rescue your own citizens and leave everyone else at the mercy of Israel without condemning the actions of Israel. Its like, "Sure go ahead and bomb the f#*! out of Lebanon and kill and maim its citizens but let us get our people out of there first."

If other nations really wanted peace, they would implore Israel to stop the bombing for the sake of all people. The only way Israel will ever get my support is if they do the undercover work necessary to find the terrorists. To condemn all of the people in Lebanon for the behaviour of a few is just not on.

You should know this, you're a teacher. If one student does something wrong, do you punish the whole class?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:35 AM

On what are you basing your prediction, Peace?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:43 AM

Probably on the Israelis' previous behaviour pattern. Before you ask Carol, I too think Israel should GTF out of Israel!


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:45 AM

Funny, isn't it, Carol.

It seems you, me and Ebbie are often taken to be one and the same.
Some men think that all women think the same. I find it amusing and somewhat informative. If they have that much trouble citing a simple comment on Mudcat, think of how confused they must be when reading anything of substance. Thats probably why their conclusions are so far off. Its not even worth correcting them.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:56 AM

Is anyone talking sanity when they reply to this thread?
My answer.......absolutly a difficult subject... not to be confused with trotting down a pebble street, shoeless and in need of a pair of thongs.



Peace- You said you heard what I said. I love you more than I love avacodoes ripe and smothered with salsa!


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:01 AM

I figure it this way:

1) The Israelis have changed their terms to "return the kidnapped soldiers and withdraw from the border and allow the Lebanese army to replace Hezbollah". That is a far cry from "the Hezbollah must disarm".

2) By putting the 'ball' in H's court, it then gives Arab 'nations' who could have some influence with H the ability to speak more strongly about it.

3) I think the Israelis are not barbarians (yes, I realize there are over 200 dead; ther are also 24 Israeli dead (civilians)). They have gone after H targets--that is, targets where Hezbollah has buildings, arms caches, missiles. They have not prosecuted a war against civilians. If they had, the death toll would now be in the tens of thousands, IMO.

4) The Israelis have made clear what they want. It has gone from "Hezbollah must disarm" to "withdraw from the border". It is a good decision on Israel's part because it will then take a voice away from their critics and allow people to see what Hezbollah is like.

5) Wishful thinking also plays a part in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:08 AM

Naked avocadoes smothered in salsa? BE STILL my BEATING HEART.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:24 AM

12 Israeli civilians, Peace. The other 12 were Israeli soldiers. 7 of the civilians killed in Lebanon were Canadians.

Well, time will tell. Maybe you're right.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:26 AM

I hope so. Wish it would happen right now. Won't be soon enough for anyone there.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 03:05 AM

Ya wanna stop it?

Sand + Heat = Glass

AKA, If You Can't Play Nice, Fuck You!


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:19 AM

Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: alanabit - PM
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:43 AM

Probably on the Israelis' previous behaviour pattern. Before you ask Carol, I too think Israel should GTF out of Israel!


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Of course, that should have read, "I too think Israel should GTF out of Lebannon." Sorry for the typo folks!


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:25 AM

World War was declared in 1914 and it has never stopped.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:47 AM

"Of course, that should have read, "I too think Israel should GTF out of Lebannon." Sorry for the typo folks!"

There are some, Alan, who will say you had it right the first time, and that the Middle East (and the world) would be more peaceful for it.

Don't misunderstand me. I am neither anti Jew, nor anti Israel (the terms, to me, are not interchangeable, one being a religion and the other a nation), but the arbitrary appropriation of someone else's property is bound to be resented, and Israel is arguably the most arrogant and undiplomatic nation on the planet.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the current situation, the Israeli response is (predictably) over the top, and quite unjustifiable.

Time perhaps for the self appointed playground supervisor (you all know who I mean) to separate the kids and give them BOTH a slap, then make them behave.

What he will of course do (as usual) is pat Izzie on the head, and exclude Hezzie from school, so Izzie will continue to kick the shit out of his classmates, until they finally get together and knock seven bells out of him.

The problem is that half the school may be demolished in the ruction.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 07:14 AM

I hope Peace is right about the three day timeframe.

But my gut (and some things I've been reading) tells me that Israel is probably just waiting until most of the foriegn nationals have a chance to leave Lebanon, and then it will commense slaughtering civilians in earnest.

I hope I am wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 07:17 AM

*commence*


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM

"Sand + Heat = Glass"

And thank you, Mr. Dennis Miller! He'll be playing at the Chucklehut in Cleveland all week, ladies and gentlemen, so head on down there to see him! :P

Anyways, no WWIII. Just more of Israel setting itself up for its own unavoidable downfall. The children of those people killed in these attacks (Gaza and Lebanon) won't soon forget who killed their families. They'll make excellent, motivated soldiers one day. The Israeli Jews (and other assorted foreigners) will (inevitably) be outnumbered in "their" own land by the more virile Israeli and Palestinian Arabs, and their numbers will be further decreased my emigration to escape the endless harrassing rocket and bomb attacks of near-invisible enemies. And then they will only be able to pray that those fighting men they've created today will be more compassionate than they themselves were. Whether these fighting men are twenty years old or fifty years old, it doesn't really matter. The foreign colonies in Palestine are doomed, today or tomorrow. Sucks to be a colonist, I guess.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: jacqui.c
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:00 AM

"Sucks to be a colonist, I guess."

Except when you are bigger and stronger than the indigenous peoples I suppose.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 11:16 AM

" And thank you, Mr. Dennis Miller!"

When I say it, I'm not joking...


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:07 PM

Careful Clinton, CISIS could be on your ass quicker than crabs if they thought you could detonate a nuclear device. LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:33 PM

If I had a rocket launcher....

... some son-of-a-bitch would die


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 01:48 PM

Some sons of a bitches already beat you to it Clinton and some sons of a bitches such as
these ones and these ones are already dead.

.....and this is not the way to put an end to war......


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:21 PM

I tend to agree with Don(WYZYWYG)T.

As I walk through This wicked world Searchin' for light in the darkness of insanity.

I ask myself Is all hope lost? Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?

And each time I feel like this inside, There's one thing I wanna know: What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?

And as I walked on Through troubled times My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes So where are the strong And who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony.

'Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?

So where are the strong? And who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony.

'Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?

(Nick Lowe - he counts as folkish because he used to be married to Carlene Carter - daughter of Roseanne Carter and Johnny Cash)

Quack! GtD.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:31 PM

Glass is VERY peaceful.....


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Metchosin
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:38 PM

to whom.................? The toothless and the blind perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:42 PM

These delusional religious zealots have been at this for HUNDREDS of years....   

When does the rest of the world get to say "ENOUGH!!! Play nice or DIE!"?!?!?!?!

If the world was run like, say, a decent web-forum, they all woulda been booted a LONG time ago


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:46 PM

These delusional religious zealots have been at this for HUNDREDS of years....

Which delusional religious zealots?


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 03:17 PM

All of them


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:55 PM

If I had a launcher
   I'd launch it in the morning
   I'd launch it in the evening....


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:09 PM

jacqui: Are the United States, Britain, and their allies not "bigger and stronger" than the indigenous Iraqi insurgents? Better equipped and trained? Huh, that must be why the "war" is going so well, then. :)

Clinton: And what exactly would the genocidal murders of hundreds of millions accomplish? You'd get to watch "Entertainment Tonight" without those pesky "NEWS ALERTS"? You're not the center of the universe. And even if you were, you should realise that the fallout from those bombs would surely give even you cancer.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:24 PM

Hey, step back fir jsut a second...

Conflict resolution is what is needed...

Try dustin' off the Saudi Proposal...

It is a framework that, if implimneted, can bring peace to the Middle East...

1. Isreal retreats to the '76 borders...

2. The Arab nations agree tnat Isreal has a right to exist and normalize relations...

Yeah, sure, there'sa few details to work out but unless you wnat endless hostility, this is what it boils down to...

Reserect this proposal and quit the friggin' killin' of innocents...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:31 AM

This WW3 hype has got to stop, before the 100th monkey believes it.

Shit, I just saw Newt (the name is no accident) Gingrich saying that.

It's a regional conflict and always has been. All nations should try to keep it that way. Unfortunately the combatants keep acquiring bigger and bigger sticks. I say the oil companies are behind it so they can charge $10 per gallon.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:50 AM

If the Arabs (Moslems) put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel.
Think about it...


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Arne
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 01:24 AM

alanabit:

Of course, that should have read, "I too think Israel should GTF out of Lebannon." Sorry for the typo folks!

Made sense to me the first way. I've always said that we could solve a lot of problems had we given the diaspora refugees ten times the land in some western state here in the U.S.; the Middle East is not a particularly hospitable place nowadays (we went through the Sinai last New Years, and it is without doubt a desert).

But there was that "Next year in Jerusalem!" The desire wasn't just for a "homeland", but a particular piece fo godforsaken rock. When religion gets into it, people get a bit crazy, IMNSHO. Trouble here is that three> major religions have their eyes on Jerusalem and vicinity. Jerusalem should be an open, international city, open to all and under U.N. mandate or something. And we should find some place where the people in Israel can find peace that isn't right next to the people they kicked out to get it.

But that's too rational.... <*SIGH*>

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 01:40 AM

You're right, alanabit, its way too rational. Religious zealots are not rational.

I still think Germany would make a good homeland for the Jews. They should have sent the Germans to Jerusalem. It makes more sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: WW3, no sign of any effort to stop it
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 01:54 AM

Yes Carol C...ALL of them!!! Of any stripe at all.
Mr Weenie Bush apparently said 'shit' yesterday...do you suppose he had a mouthful or a bellyful?

dvan...I agree!!! MOERE room!!!


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