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BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death

GUEST,sorefingers 09 Jul 06 - 12:45 AM
Peace 09 Jul 06 - 12:49 AM
Little Hawk 09 Jul 06 - 01:06 AM
Bev and Jerry 09 Jul 06 - 01:31 AM
Alba 09 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM
katlaughing 09 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM
Little Hawk 09 Jul 06 - 11:41 AM
GUEST 09 Jul 06 - 11:52 AM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 09 Jul 06 - 12:01 PM
Al 09 Jul 06 - 12:26 PM
GUEST 09 Jul 06 - 02:38 PM
GUEST,Another one of those confounded Leftist radi 09 Jul 06 - 03:00 PM
Al 09 Jul 06 - 03:37 PM
GUEST 09 Jul 06 - 03:46 PM
Amos 09 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM
CarolC 09 Jul 06 - 03:51 PM
CarolC 09 Jul 06 - 03:52 PM
GUEST 09 Jul 06 - 03:59 PM
robomatic 09 Jul 06 - 04:08 PM
Azizi 09 Jul 06 - 04:15 PM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 09 Jul 06 - 04:50 PM
GUEST,Gazatch 09 Jul 06 - 04:57 PM
Azizi 09 Jul 06 - 04:59 PM
CarolC 09 Jul 06 - 05:15 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jul 06 - 05:44 PM
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Subject: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:45 AM

Newsmedia not reporting all the US losses in Iraq and not reporting all the civilian dead, shows the Rupturds for what they really are!

Along with Adolf Hitler and all the other monsters of History, this is the Party Of Death!


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:49 AM

Daily Look at U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq

Saturday July 8, 2006 10:31 PM


By The Associated Press

As of Saturday, July 8, 2006, at least 2,545 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians. At least 2,009 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.

The AP count is five higher than the Defense Department's tally, last updated Friday at 10 a.m. EDT.

The British military has reported 113 deaths; Italy, 32; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 17; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Slovakia, Denmark three each; El Salvador, Estonia, Netherlands, Thailand, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Romania, one death each.

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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 01:06 AM

Actually, the Democrats and Republicans are both the parties of death. They are almost equally adept at dealing it out around the world. It's so bloody obvious with the Republicans though...they worship every form of macho sabre-rattling and they win elections by implying that their opponents are wimps, cowards, homosexuals and traitors.

That IS the same approach the Nazis used, all right. Discredit the opposition by painting them as unpatriotic, deviant, and gutless.

Never forget that "[excessive and exaggerated]patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings". The Republicans cling to it like a barnacle to the hull of a ship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 01:31 AM

"Why of course the people don't want war ...But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

-Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Alba
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM

Now that qoute causes a shuuuddder down my back Bev and Jerry

My best to You Both
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM

History does not have to repeat itself IF we keep informed as much as possible, which is a lot easier these days, than during Hitler's time. Here we are discussng the fact there are a lot of similarities, but we've got orgs. such as MoveOn, DefCon (Defend the Constitution,) Give 'em Hell, Harry, and many others putting out more info than anyone could have hoped for back then. Also, see Amos' thread about Impeachment. None of these things would have been as possible back then. We can prevail, imo, but we need to be as visible and vocal as possible, in as many ways as possible.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:41 AM

The fact is, the people are being attacked in Goering's example (and in all such examples)...they are being attacked by their own government. Very cleverly too. Their government makes it look as if the attack is coming from either somewhere outside or a disadavantaged minority of people within the country or both.

In other words, scapegoats are found.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:52 AM

I wonder if the 'media' is reporting all the deaths in Africa from all the civil wars and ethnic cleansing operations?

What "party of death" gets the credit for that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:01 PM

The local parties gets the direct credit for that. Look 'em up. Better yet, go there and talk to the locals about it. They will notice you right off on account of your pale skin, they will figger you're carryin' lotsa credit cards and cash, and it should get real interesting from there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:26 PM

The main political problem in this country, as I see it, is that fundamentalist christians, who form the majority in this country, see conservatism and republicanism as good things.
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:38 PM

A weak thread. CC, they are killing their own, whites need not apply.
And what makes you think I have a pale skin?

And Al, you too, are a malcontent. It's okay as it probably would overload the system if all were content. Plus, I don't remember anyone asking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Another one of those confounded Leftist radi
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:00 PM

Al, you are very much mistaken in your assumption that fundamentalist Christians constitute a majority in the USA. Christians, yes...nominally...but definitely not fundamentalist Christians. I would guess that the fundamentalist you are imagining when you use that word make up, oh, about 20% to 30% of the population at most. (and they do tend to vote solidly Republican, so that makes them a key voting bloc)

BUT....

The ruling religion of the USA is consumerism, not fundamentalist Christianity (and it rules most so-called fundamentalist Christians too!). The ruling church is Wal-Mart. The ruling ethic is conspicuous consumption. The result is collosal ignorance, laziness, boredom, wasted lives, and dozy, confused people who are easily manipulated by TV into supporting their corrupt government because they are too mentally comatose to know any better.

Worry about that if you want to worry about something. It's a far bigger factor than fundamentalism.

The USA is the nation that sold its soul for material conveniences.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:37 PM

Consumerism, fundamentalism, religionism of all types, socialism, communism, nationalism, patriotism, etc. are all the same thing. A sales job, a con job, a set of ideas people get sold or buy into. All bullshit. All isms are bullshit. If you just listen to your heart, you don't need any isms. And you won't go around killing people, destroying the earth, or doing any harm at all. Because you won't be defending your isms. It's the isms that are the culprits, preventing us from being who we really are. It's time for us all to let go of our isms.
Love, Al


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:46 PM

Al, why don't you just let go?

And where might you be if not for Capitol-ism?

Ah yes, you did not mention Communism - your favorite?


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM

How do you listen to your heart, pray tell, when cruising the aisles of Wal Mart looking for plastic tablecloths for a picnic?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:51 PM

Ahhh... another anti-American, anti-free speech, anti-United States Constitution malcontent. Guest,09 Jul 06 - 03:46 PM would have tried to shut up the Founding Fathers had s/he been around during their time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:52 PM

( ...*Founding Fathers of the United States*)


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:59 PM

CarolC - nothing to do with free speech, simply addressing the rehtoric of an uninformed or misinformed member of a society which resides under the Constitution.
(With the thought in mind that perhaps he doesn't care all that much for it.)

Me un-American, anti-United States????????? Compare my posts with Al's one more time! Perception, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:08 PM

What is the true 'party of death'?

I think everyone here is intelligent enough so that I don't have to italicize- oh the hell with it:

Text of Alleged al-Qaida Tape:

We declare our responsibility for what happened in Madrid exactly 2.5 years after the attacks on New York and Washington. It is a response to your collaboration with the criminals Bush and his allies.
"This is a response to the crimes that you have caused in the world, and specifically in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there will be more, if God wills it.

"You love life and we love death, which gives an example of what the Prophet Muhammad said. If you don't stop your injustices, more and more blood will flow and these attacks will seem very small compared to what can occur in what you call terrorism.

"This is a statement by the military spokesman for al-Qaida in Europe, Abu Dujan al Afghani."


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:15 PM

"Better yet, go there [to Africa]and talk to the locals about it. They will notice you right off on account of your pale skin, they will figger you're carryin' lotsa credit cards and cash, and it should get real interesting from there."

Shame on you, Chongo Chimp!

I thought you were much better than that. You wouldn't like it if people stereotyped chimps, would you?

May I suggest you enroll post haste in a cultural competency course-if they accept chimps, that is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:50 PM

Al did mention "communism", you shit-for-brains Guest. You were too friggin' lazy to bother even reading his whole post, weren't you? Go back to watchin' "Survivor" and eatin' your cheese dip.

Azizi - Yeah, well...you should hear when I start stereotypin' gorillas. I ain't known for bein' exactly sensitive in all respects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Gazatch
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:57 PM

Al Queda is not a party. They're an organization. And their origins lay in the ranks of the Mujahedin, Islamic fundamentalists who were armed, trained, and funded by the Reagan administration in the 1980's to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden was an important member of the Mujahedin, and the USA loved him back then and called him a "freedom fighter". Why? Because he was killing Communists for them.

He later discovered that he had simply been used to do the USA's dirty work, upon which the snake turned and bit its handlers.

Without the USA there would BE no Al-Queda. Thank Ronald Reagan for making it all possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:59 PM

Chongo: I had hoped that you-more than other chimps-had evolved to a higher order of being.

Silly me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:15 PM

You're trying to shut people up, Guest,09 Jul 06 - 03:46 PM, for expressing viewpoints with which you disagree. That seems pretty un-American to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:44 PM

Chongo has about as many prejudices as the average monster truck and WWF fan. They're not all the same prejudices, but still...about that many, I'd say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:49 PM

As for the Republicans, maybe they should be renamed "the Party of Debt" at this point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:31 PM

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 09 Jul 2006 at 11:26:57 PM GMT is:

$8,415,216,882,916.21

However, rest easy. "When President Bush took office five years ago, the national debt was at $5.6 trillion; since then, big budget surpluses have collapsed into huge deficits, and the debt has shot up nearly 50 percent." But Congress has responded. "Congress Sets New Federal Debt Limit: $9 Trillion". Nothing to see here, move along, move along.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:48 PM

Yeah, LH is right and this thread should be renamed "Republicans The Party of Death, de joir'...

But seems they've been real good at it... Ain't been since LBJ that a Dem could hold a candle to these guys....

And, yeah, GUEST who posted last is right (Is that you Texas GUEST???).... Not only are these guys real good at killing they are also very good a running the country into financial ruin while doing it which has been the Republican dream going back generations....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:50 PM

Nope. Just a guy who wishes to be unnamed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:19 PM

Osama is no longer the terrorist du jour. The CIA has closed down their special unit in charge of finding him. Seems he is no longer useful for the fear-mongering of Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:55 PM

Chimp, go suck another 'banana'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 10:47 PM

There is an old saying in American politics: "The democrats will take your money; the republicans will take your life." So just how many lives have been lost or ruined as a result of the invasion of Iraq? Uncle Bill gets impeached for taking his pleasure with a young'un and this shameful clown that currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania gets reelected? America, sadly - we're not free, and we're not brave - not anymore. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:02 PM

Hear, hear, Texas GUEST!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:22 PM

Does this discussion apply to the unborn?


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:33 PM

Oh geeze, Texas GUEST...

... seems as if we have an uborn GUEST amongst us...

Welcome, unborn GUEST....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 11:39 PM

"Does this discussion apply to the unborn?"

Of course not. The unborn HAVE no rights.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 12:55 AM

Undoubtedly, the greatest barrier to wisdom is presupposition. It ignores, subverts, skews and twists facts to adhere to its positions.
The Republicans are no more the "party of death" than the Democrats, under whose administrations, WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam were initiated. (You could look it up). The Korean and Vietnamese wars were ended under Republican presidents and, it should be noted, it was Congress that authorized the continued funding of these wars.
Labeling those who disagree with us as warmongers or traitors does not stregnthen our arguments.
Here's the skinny. All nations act in their own self interests and those actions affect other nations. America does not exist in a vacuum. Like it or not, we owe our prosperity and our standard of living to our economic standing. That we have not, always, acted for the universal good goes without saying but, compared to other powerful nations, in history, we have been the least venal. It's easy to point out our warts but doing so, out of historical context, is dogmatic and craven.
Another misconception is this nonsense that Christian Fundimentalist constitute a majority in America. They should be so lucky. What they do constitute is a solid voting bloc, similar to the pro-union voters back in the day. They wield power because most Americans don't vote in general elections and damned near nobody votes in the primaries.

                      Mike Miller


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 12:58 AM

Well said, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 04:23 AM

I think this preoccupation with trying to accuse the Republicans as a Party Of Death is a classic case of taking the eye off the ball. Tonight "60 Minutes" repeated their segment on war profiteering, the immense amount of money being dished out to irresponsible parties with low oversight and minimal accounting. "What's the motive with one party in control of the White House and the Congress?"

A preoccupation with the outrageous spending habits of our supposedly 'conservative' party in power would yield a lot more fruitful results in transmitting outrage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM

Again, well said, Mike Miller!

And Robo, the outrageous spending habits of both parties has me looking for a new 'label'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 03:26 PM

GUEST 10 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM while not in total disagreement with you I point out the fact that the Clinton administration was the epitome of resource husbandry compared to the current setup. The Clinton administration had drastically lowered the deficit while being open to such world-wise policies as support for the Mexican and SE Asian economies when they went into what could have been death spirals. The Clinton Administration was bellicose to the extent of bombing Serbia and sending cruise missiles against Osama.

I think Clinton was more intelligent, more educated, more aware of the world as it is than the current President, although I do not say the current President is stupid. I think he is handicapped by:

Not enough knowledge of the world and world economic, political, historical and military trends.

A political base incorporating in part a voting block of fundamentalists who, paraphrasing Will Rogers, "it's not what they don't know that I'm afraid of, it's the things they do know that just ain't so!"

A lack of support on the part of the Western World that would be far far better off with a show of unity rather than the bickering and grand-standing that we have seen from France and Germany.

Bush could be far worse than he is, however, and the lack of fiscal discipline on the part of the present day Reps is more than matched by a lack of almost any kind of discipline from the Dems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 04:15 PM

To expect fiscal discipline from either one of them would be like expecting moral fiber from a pimp.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 04:27 PM

While I agree with moast of what Robo says I have to disagree that Bush could be far worse than he is... I don't know how he'd go about screwin'p more stuff... I mean, face it... He's gotten the US bogged down in two hopeless and expensive occupations, he's gotten the US governemnt so far in the red that our kids and grandchildren's standards of living will greatly decreased from paying for it, he cowtied to very corporation, he hasn't had the balkls to veto one danged spending measure, his "secret" energy policy has incresed the cost of energy over 100% in 6 years, he's ruined our reputation around the world with his cowboy foriegn policise which are centered around threats and sticks over engagement, he's lied to the American people and he has a problems with "pretzles' (wink, wink...0

(But, bobert, he passed the No Child Left Behind" legislation, didn't he???)

Oh, and as fir the one thing that on paper looked promising, the No Child Left Behind Act, he's even seemed to blow it by not writing the checks to pay for it thrusting even more burden on cash starpped state and local governments...

Yeah, I'd be hardpressed to think what else he could have messed up that he hasn't allready gotten to???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: 282RA
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 07:36 PM

Right now I'm willing to put just about anybody in there than the current group. Not all of them, but most of them. Bush is heading us towards a cliff and he either swerves or he drives off. The best outcome is that he swerves so why not swerve now? Why wait until you're at the cliff's edge screaming "SWERVE DAMMIT SWERVE!" and he ain't movin' a muscle? It's safer to swerve now than later so swerve now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 08:15 PM

Bobert...agreed, but PLEASE don't call that jackass a "cowboy!" He ain't one, period!


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 09:47 PM

How about "an ego masquerading as a human being"? Does that do it for you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 10:25 PM

What Al said, Kat...

Sorry...

I'll try to refrain from callin' the "ego masquerading as a human being" a cowboy, which is a long respected profession that requires integrity and hard work... a couple qualities that Bush certainly ain't got...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 08:01 AM

Mike, who started the Civil War?

My history books tell me that the Spanish American war was started by McKinley, a republican. WW 1 was started (for the USA) when the Germans torpedoed the Lusitania, and WW2 started (for the USA)when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
Then North Korea invaded south Korea and started shooting our soldiers.
Then, the first Americans were sent to Viet Nam under Eisenhower.

We all know who started the present quagmire. 15 Saudis took out the towers so Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.The real reason? because those "infidels" are sitting on OUR oil!


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:46 PM

Yes, and those wars were planned some time before the towers were ever hit...so it really had little or nothing to do with whoever it was who hit the towers. They were just the Mother of All Excuses to go to war for oil, that's all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:51 PM

What does the egotistical cowboy think about unborn fetuses ruoted out and sent down the sewer?


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