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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,vectis sans cookie
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 12:13 AM

Don't forget Roger Abrahams book about West Indian shanties "Deep the Water Shallow the Shore" lovely book.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 12:04 PM

>in which "chanties" and "sailors' songs" blur together

Haven't they always?

One difference between Now and Then may be, however, that the ballad-like sailors' songs of earlier times (both "trad" and "composed") couldn't have been automatically associated, as they are today, with the chantey genre. Few non-sailors knew what a chantey was (hmmm...sounds familiar), and there was no recognition of trad/folk/renfaire genres to unite the two.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Gibb Sahib
Date: 28 Jul 16 - 11:06 PM

Thanks, Lighter. My mind must have blocked out those items. (Due to my bias! I pretty much hate that "Packet Ship" song!)

And I did make some good use of some of the non-English songs while sailing with an international crew recently. It strikes me that Hugill's later work is especially suited for the North/Western European world of sail training, "tall ships" races/festivals, and that whole scene, in which "chanties" and "sailors' songs" blur together like curry-ketchup as an accoutrement of the general "Yay! ships and sailing and striped shirts and stuff!" atmosphere.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Jul 16 - 06:33 PM

Hi, all.

The 1969 book contains two items (and perhaps an extra stanza or two) that didn't appear in 1961.

One is an alleged pumping shanty called "Packet Ship." Though it's in English, Hugill notes it was sent to him by a Dane who informed him it was sung on Danish ships. The story it tells in fragmentary fashion - like that of "Boney" - is that of the Mutiny on HMS Bounty. Hugill suggests that this is one of the earliest chanteys, adapted from Britain by teh Danes, but there's no compelling evidence for this.

Another new text (and tune) is a somewhat raunchier and less tuneful version of the "Ratcliff Highway" that Hugill had printed in 1961.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Harry Rivers
Date: 28 Jul 16 - 01:32 AM

Gibb Sahib: Thank you! Nothing weird about your advice at all and exactly what I was looking for.


EBarnacle: any chance he could be encouraged to drop by with an update?


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 10:15 PM

thanks, EB,


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: EBarnacle
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 08:07 PM

To the best of my knowledge, Matt has not officially released his collection. A few years ago, he was handing out notebooks of the words from his collection to selected members of the New York crowd and people he ran into at Mystic.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Gibb Sahib
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 03:57 PM

Harry,

_Shanties from the Seven Seas_, unabridged (1961), is the most inclusive and contains the most items. (I will not say "comprehensive.") Don't expect it to tell you all you'd want to know about the chanty genre, or to give you all the items with historical accuracy (I'm sure you don't), but as for Hugill's works, this is the one that fits your request.

That being said, what is in the unabridged edition that is not in the much more easily found/purchased abridged version? Well, the vast majority of extra consists of songs in languages other than English: Norwegian. Swedish, Plattdietsch, Hochdeutsch, French, Welsh... And most of that is not some original "collection" of songs by Hugill, but rather he has compiled those texts from books published in Norway, Germany, etc. So, one can get some French songs from a French-published book on "Chants du Marin" or have them filtered through Hugill.

Other extras in the unabridged are reproductions of songs that are, again, not anything original, such as a Stephen Foster song that is the inspiration for a chanty or something like that. Again, not really useful. I'd say unless you are just a completist who wants to have the full Hugill for the sake of it, just get yourself the abridged edition published by Mystic Seaport.

Hugill's subsequent books:

- The Bosun's Locker, Collected Articles 1962-1973 (Heron Publishing, 2006)
This is a continuation of the soft-scholarship in Hugill's _Shanties from the Seven Seas_, bits and pieces of further thoughts and repertoire items that didn't get into the 1961 work.

-Sailortown (1967)
Not about chanties.

-Shanties and Sailor Songs (1969)
This is as if Hugill decided he needed a more concise book, after the sprawling and badly organized _SfSS_. Hugill's tone of presentation is much more positive, like "This is what it is" as opposed to the SfSS research tone, "This may be what it is" :) In other words, things are boiled down and put in a positive fashion for readers who don't have time to deal with uncertainties and would rather have things told to them as if they were cut and dried. The repertoire included is selective. If I remember correctly, there is no NEW repertoire that wasn't in SfSS. Also, notably, the subject goes beyond chanties to "sailor songs."

- Songs of the Sea (1977)
This is more of a popular "coffee table" book. The music notations and lyrics are impossible for me to read due to the color of ink and the cursive writing. It is geared towards Hugill's international audience, that is, making special appeal to non-English-speaking Europeans, with a lot of Dutch, German, Swedish, etc songs.

I have a series of YouTube playlists in which I have rendered -- a fancy way of saying I have turned all the ink on the printed page into singing -- all of the items in Hugill's unabridged _SfSS_. The relevant purpose of doing it was just that: to somehow make what is on the printed page audible (even if that means having to fill in gaps or guess at corrections). Make other judgements about my "performances" and their intent at your own peril. It was made over the course of several years with a lot of development/change in style and approach. Anyway, it's a reference point (page numbers linked to Hugill are given) to what you're seeing in the full Hugill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmCbsMzHrE&list=PL58B55DD66F22060C&index=1

Among the popular sources -- compilations meant for practical use -- of chanties, I can also recommend:

Whall - _Ship, Sea Songs, and Shanties_ fourth edition (1920). The tunes and lyrics are accurate. Ignore what he says about the material though.

Bullen and Arnold - _Songs of Sea Labour_ (1914). A very good reflection of the repertoire of a 1870s chantyman. However, some of the tunes are notated poorly. Also, beware that they present the chanties honestly, as lacking any fixed text, which means you have to supply your own lyrics -- which you should.

Doerflinger 1951/1990. Meticulous and accurate, though not as geared towards practical use due to the descriptive presentation of individuals' renditions (i.e. as opposed to prescriptive). This and works like Sharp (English Folk-Chanteys, 1914) are convenient sources of actually-sung lyrics.

My advice... as weird as it will sound... is to read Hugill for the contextual background... then reference Bullen and Arnold for a real picture of the actual repertoire of chantymen... then secure the tunes from Whall... and finally flesh out lyrics with ideas from Doerflinger and Sharp.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Harry Rivers
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 03:49 AM

Thanks for that, Sandra.

If I could afford them, I'd get them all, but for now I need to settle on one which covers as much ground as possible.

Harry


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 11:20 PM

Harry - a search on "matthew brum author sea shanties" gives lots of references to sea shanties (strangely enough!), & one reference to a Matthew Brum who is on facebook, you could check him out if you are on facebook.

I go to 2 shanty sessions, one weekly & one monthly, but can't help you with which book is best as I didn't even know how many books he published until I found this list on Wikipedia.

The Bosun's Locker, Collected Articles 1962-1973 (Heron Publishing, 2006)
Shanties from the Seven Seas (1961; abridged edition 1984)
Sailortown (1967)
Shanties and Sailor Songs (1969)
Sea Shanties (1977)
Songs of the Sea (1977)

As the world turns & other Catters come on line, someone will know.

sandra


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:46 PM

Actually my understanding of how long Cicely Fox Smith was resident in British Columbia (in posts above) was incorrect. Instead of ten years, she arrived in Victoria around 1911 and left in the fall of 1913, according to passenger lists.

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Harry Rivers
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:19 AM

Does anyone know if the book mentioned in the first post above was ever published?

The email given doesn't seem to be active any longer.

Also, which of Stan Hugill's books are the most comprehensive. I understand that later editions of 'Shanties of the Seven Seas' were abridged.

Kind regards
Harry


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Wyll
Date: 06 May 11 - 05:16 PM

Hello
I'm in France but born in UK I love shanty's and woud like to keep them going I don't sing but do have a good colection of audio et lyrics of French and English song's.
If interested tell me

sadalmek@yahoo.fr

Wyll


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 08:57 AM

If you go here ISSA, then click on "Shanties", then "Library" you can download a spreadsheet of all their shanty collection (1100+) in various languages.

Trouble is, you have to be a member to get the actual texts and dots. :-(


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: s&r
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 05:45 AM

Anyone know a source for French sea shanties?

Stu


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 01:56 PM

A friend of his sent me an email saying that there is a Disney toy from Pirates of the Caribbean movie that has a bit of the late, great, Bob Kotta singing a bit of "15 men on a dead man's chest." I haven't heard it...he also can be heard singing Bully in the Alley on something I hadn't heard of but just came across on internet...a CD called Save the Wiwona one song at a time...I'll see if I can get the url...several songs can be heard from url alone...I'll start separate thread. mg


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Dan in Nova Scotia
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 03:18 PM

Hello Ashlynn,

I also just thought of another person who has had a few connections with shanties and that would be Stuart Frank who used to be the head honcho at the New Bedford Whaling Museum in Mass. I don't know if he's still there but that might be another avenue.

Also, as I hadn't heard from you I was wondering if you have the right e-mail. Here it is just in case:

dan.mckinnon@ns.sympatico.ca

All the best.

Cheers,

Dan


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 02:58 PM

A great resource for the sea music of the south Pacific is Revell Carr. He is a PhD candidate in ethnomusicology at UC Santa Barbara, specializing in the sea songs of pacific islanders, and the musical contacts between whaling ship sailors and islanders. Not to be confused with his father, also named Revell Carr, who is the former director of the Mystic Seaport Museum.

If you sign up on mudcat as a member, you can receive personal messages, and I can give you Rev's email address there, if you'd like. He also checks into Mudcat from time to time.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Dead Horse
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 01:45 PM

Get hold of a copy of Stan Hugills book "Shanties from the Seven Seas"
ISBN 0-913372-70-6
Available from Mystic Seaport Museum, inc.
75 Greenmanville Avenue,
Mystic, CT. 06355.
(priced at $19.95 some years back, & worth at least double)
It contains a wealth of info regarding shanties, their history, and how they were used. Much other interesting stuff as well.
Beg, borrow, or better yet, buy a copy!


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:17 AM

Ashlynn,

Check out the "News from Guam" thread (and be prepared for a good, LONG read!). Naemanson, a sea music lover who currently lives on Guam, is someone you might want to talk to.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,amanning@oberlin.edu
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 02:04 AM

Hello Fine Folks,
I am a student, working on a proposal for a year-long grant to study outside the US. My project is the music and lore of sailing,both in European tradition and in the indigenous traditional song and story related to working with the sea in French Polynesia and Micronesia, perhaps New Zealand....
I'm pressed for time, but I'm so committed to making this proposal work somehow! Does anyone have ideas or contacts, or would be willing to talk in person with me about this? Dan McKinnon in halifax gave me the link to this site.
Thanks much!!!!
Ashlynn


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 28 Jul 02 - 12:56 AM

I just found a sea shanty web radio station on live365.com...just do a search under sea shanties..I had it turned down really low and I swore I heard Bob Kotta singing..sure enough..if you can possibly get hold of an old tape of his (NW Seaport in Seattle might still have them) do..he was unsurpassed I think..just a great singer and a great guy...he's singing with the heavenly band now..

see thread on Cranberry Coast Sunnycamp..we are right here at the Columbia bar..should be lots of good songs about the sea here..but I sadly do not know of any/many...John Dwyer and Suzie MacAleer did right a great one with a very involved chorus...mg


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Wotcha
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 11:34 AM

I think you mean Looe, Cornwall ... The "Loo" is something else in British slang (but better than "bog") ...
Cheers,
Brian


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: beachcomber
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 08:34 AM

Barry Finn, you never did post the words of that neck tingling "shanty" that goes "Fifteen men on the dead man's chest etc." It thrilled me beyond words when I first heard it back about 1953 or 4 in the Film of "Treasure Island" . Please do! Mathew I was sure some other recordings of Sea songs and shantys would eventually be mentioned but have seen no mention of some I bought at Cecil Sharpe House back in the 60s. One had A.Llyod , Louis Killen (who played the sailor's favoured concertina) and Ian Campbell among others. I also did not see any reference to the great Cyril Tawney who used to sing in the 50s with a group calling themselves "The Loo Shantymen" (Loo being a town in the Southwest of England I believe and nothing to do with showers and singing in them) I remember their magnificent rendering of "Spanish Ladies"...We'll rant and we'll roar like true British sailors etc., etc.." Your book sounds like a good'un, best of luck with it, postumously or otherwise.

beachcomber


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,joantonla@hotmail.com
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 07:52 AM

hi matt, on your newfoundland research did you come across a song titled "the ferryland sealer"? i know it recorded by the scottish folk band silly wizard, it's a nice song, originated in ferryland, avalon peninsula. and do you know the beautiful a cappella arrangements performed by the robert shaw chorale? it dates back from the sixties, i guess, but has been remastered on cd ("Sea Shanties", BMG Music, 09026 63528 2). it contains four- and five-part arrangements of blow the man down, haul away joe, what shall we do with the drunken sailor, and others - in sort of a "king's singers" style.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 03:24 AM

Thanks, Charlie, I'll be in touch as soon as I'm back from the Chilcotin. I'm pleased to say our shanty CD BLOW THE MAN DOWN - TALL SHIPS IN THE FRASER came out today - 27 tracks and a 32-page booklet with a history of sail in the Fraser River (just in time for the Tall Ships Festival 8-12 August at Steveston).


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 04:27 PM

Jon-

My references include the short bio that Danny McLeod did as part of his accompaning song notes to SEABOOT DUFF & HANDSPIKE GRUEL, performed by one of his sea music groups Pinch of Salt; PM me for Danny's e-mail address. C. Fox Smith herself describes in one of her sailortown short stories books talking with various shipkeepers from roughly 1904 to 1914, much of that time based in Vancouver. With a little work I could provide the relevant book titles, most of which are still available at www.bookfinder.com

Hope you are someone else in the area can figure out a way to follow up the adventures of C. Fox Smith in British Colombia.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Abuwood
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 09:07 AM

Can I reccommend http://www.chanteycabin.co.uk/ they have a wealth of shanty recordings, and a "black box" of some really old and obscure stuff with printed histories. Let me know when the book's ready!


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Abuwood
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 09:05 AM

Can I reccommend http://www.chanteycabin.co.uk/ they have a wealth of shanty recordings, and a "black box" of some really old and obscure stuff with printed histories. Let me know when the book's ready!


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 10:21 PM

Chaley, this is indeed news! What's your source? I know of no-one doing research in this area, but I am sure interested!


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 08:00 PM

Some day I have to cruise up to Vancouver, nose around the docks where C. Fox Smith used to hang out gossiping with the old shipkeepers. Jon, has anyone up there done any research on her activities in the early 1900's. She spent about 10 years in your area, probably part of the time employed at some kind of shipping office.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 05:12 AM

We in the Northwest get the Tall Ships before you Bay folk do. They're here at Steveston (a fishing village on the southwestern tip of Richmond) from 9-11 August. The Vancouver FSS Shanty Crew, among others, is doing the singing. We'd LOVE to have salty Mudcatters and other shantysingers join us! We have just finished a CD with 27 shanties on it with an enclosed 32-page booklet on sail in the northwest, particularly the development of the Fraser River ports. The shanties are all the usual: nothing new, but then the exciting stuff is in the singing, isn't it? We made the CD as a souvenir for folk who aren't yet aware of the singing traditions in the hope that it might spark some singing interest. The thought of just LISTENING to shanties is sorta creepy, isn't it? A bit like keyhole peeping! Anyway, we'll be encouraging all and sundry to join us and we'll get some really big choruses going. No stages, no mikes, just a big crowd tailing on the rope.

Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,j.lange@praktijkschoolwf.nl
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:44 AM

Matthew Bram,

This is my first time on this site. I'm very interested in your collection of shanties, as I am choir director of the Zuiderzeemuseumkoor; a choir related to the former Zuiderzee (sea), which is now a big lake.

This also goes to anyone else interested; I'm always looking for interesting material. I've also got some interesting songs in Dutch and German for you... My address is; Jos Lange Zesstedenweg 137 1613 JC Grootebroek Netherlands

My e-mail-address runs via the school where I work; j.lange@praktijkschoolwf.nl

Sincerely,

Jos Lange


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 10:14 PM

Aye, Chanteyranger! Count me in on the first sales as well.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Melani
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 12:51 AM

The Tall Ships dates that I have are Aug. 28-31. I'm told there will be a lot of schooners.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 11:24 PM

Matthew Bram, if you're still here, let us know how your project is coming along. Many the Mudcatter would love to buy your book when it's out.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: radriano
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 07:03 PM

The tall ships festival is happenning in San Francisco this year (2002) over Labor Day weekend.


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: SeanM
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 05:31 AM

Refreshing for a friend... Hope you enjoy, and REGISTER, dammit!

M


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 01 Jun 02 - 04:41 PM

Thanks for rereshing this, Kat! This was before I became a Mudcatter, so I never saw this thread before. I just want to correct a bit of info posted early on. The San francisco chantey sing was mentioned, stating that one has to reserve space the Thursday before the event. There is a music newsletter in the bay area that mistakenly printed that, so it's understandable that someone would post that info here. Actually, reservations for the chantey sing can be made up to an hour before it begins (begins at 8pm) by calling (415) 556-6435. Ok...carry on. Excuse the thread creep.

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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Jun 02 - 02:29 AM

Wow, incredible thread!


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Amos
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:43 PM

As for finding reasons to sing chanties on industrial-era vessels, my first shipboard post was peeling potatoes on a 150-foot triple-expansion steam driven North Sea trawler; but no-one seemed to mind that I sang tales of the cook making duff so handy while I was doing it. I guess it depends on the mix of your shipmates.

A


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: SeanM
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:43 PM

Drew;

I'd suggest starting a new thread with "Lyr. Req: Gallant Ship" as the title.

Also, there are several shanties that might go by that name. A small section of lyrics or a chorus (whatever you know) would be very helpful.

M


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: SeanM
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:43 PM

Drew;

I'd suggest starting a new thread with "Lyr. Req: Gallant Ship" as the title.

Also, there are several shanties that might go by that name. A small section of lyrics or a chorus (whatever you know) would be very helpful.

M


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Amos
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:36 PM

On singing chanties while sitting in shanties:

Although the two words are presently spelled the same in some lexicons, Webster's seems to think they are different words.

The word for a shack is attributed to the French word chantier, a lumber camp, from a Latin root cantherius meaning a rafter or a trellis. Hence, a crude dwelling of the kind thrown up in lumber camps.

The word for a seaman's working song derives from the French word for singing, chanter.

Webster's dates the former to 1820 and the latter to 1856, but I think the singing root must go back further than that.

FWIW.

A


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Drew Davidson
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 04:53 PM

Does anyone out there have the words of a shanty called the Gallant Ship

rgds

Drew Davidson


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 17 Apr 99 - 05:21 PM

Alice (and Joe): Wow! Talk about IN jokes. I remember the thread, but even with the hint I failed to make the connection. --seed


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: LEJ
Date: 17 Apr 99 - 04:20 PM

Liam's Brother...You know Dan, for probably the one and only time in my life I am regretting that I don't live in New York City! If I did I would certainly be at the Seaman's Church AND O'Neill's Pub. Have fun!


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 99 - 01:24 PM

Click here, Matthew.(grin)
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 17 Apr 99 - 01:14 PM

Monthly Chantey Sing at Seamen's Church Institute, 241 Water Street, NYC tonight (17APR). For the brave hearted, this can be followed by an Irish Session with Brian Conway, Dan Milner and Bob Conroy at O'Neill's Pub, 3rd Avenue @ 44th Street, Manhattan. Chantey Sing is free (contribution welcome); Irish Session is free.

Hope to see you if you're around town.

All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: sea shanties
From: Matthew B
Date: 17 Apr 99 - 01:00 PM

Alice -

I still don't get the "shower" reference

- Matthew


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