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How many Fiddlers are in England

Paco Rabanne 07 Jul 06 - 08:45 AM
jillfiddle 07 Jul 06 - 06:26 AM
Wilfried Schaum 22 Jun 06 - 05:17 AM
Dave Hanson 22 Jun 06 - 02:47 AM
Surreysinger 21 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM
GUEST,Frug 21 Jun 06 - 10:53 AM
Ross 21 Jun 06 - 10:14 AM
Marc Bernier 20 Jun 06 - 11:24 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 20 Jun 06 - 06:05 PM
Dave Hanson 20 Jun 06 - 09:12 AM
The Villan 20 Jun 06 - 06:27 AM
GUEST,phiddler 20 Jun 06 - 05:20 AM
GUEST,Gadaffi 20 Jun 06 - 05:11 AM
Paul Burke 20 Jun 06 - 05:07 AM
The Villan 20 Jun 06 - 04:58 AM
GUEST,phiddler 20 Jun 06 - 04:31 AM
GUEST,catsPHiddle@work 20 Jun 06 - 04:27 AM
Dave Hanson 20 Jun 06 - 04:23 AM
The Villan 20 Jun 06 - 04:10 AM
The Borchester Echo 20 Jun 06 - 03:33 AM
Paul Burke 20 Jun 06 - 03:22 AM
The Villan 20 Jun 06 - 03:17 AM
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The Villan 20 Jun 06 - 02:46 AM
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The Villan 19 Jun 06 - 03:54 PM
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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 08:45 AM

Six and a half


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: jillfiddle
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 06:26 AM

ETR - I love it!! And all true, so very true.
jill xx


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 05:17 AM

To answer the original question: as many as everywhere, ranging from too much to not enough (depends on the point of view).


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 02:47 AM

Supplementary question,
how many fiddle players does it take to change a light bulb ?

answer- just one, she stands there and holds the bulb still, and the world revloves round her.

eric


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Surreysinger
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM

Supplementary question ---- how many angels on the head of a pin?


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:53 AM

Does this include members of the government too?


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Ross
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:14 AM

Wasn't it banned because the peasants were neglecting their archery practice?


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Marc Bernier
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:24 PM

I don't know. But there's 13,052 guitar pickers in Nashville.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 06:05 PM

Paul, my take on "too fast" is not a particular tempo - it's when the subtleties and nuances of the music get lost in the rush, and it comes out flat and either boring or hysterical. The first casualty is usually the decoration or the phrasing (or both), whereas the same tune at the same speed in the hands of a master fiddler is mesmerising. It's the difference between colour and black-&-white, two-dimensional & three. Hard to define in words, but everyone can recognise it when they hear it.

And in how many sessions do you get a Tommy Peoples or a Sean Keane or a Frankie Gavin? Too often it's just wannabees who haven't done their listening homework or put in the years of work, and simply go for the flash without the depth, the immediate results without the seasoning. It's not speed that bothers me, it's when there is ONLY that - as though the person has simply learned the dots and cranked them up as fast as possible. There's a lot of it about, unfortunately - all the more reason to pay heed to the fiddle greats and learn from them.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 09:12 AM

I see some of you have had the ' sense of humour bypass op '

eric


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 06:27 AM

Hard to say Paul. Its that performer who knows they are really good, but still want to show everybody how good they really are i.e. flash gits :-)
Oh by the way, my comments were directed at folk singers who play fiddle.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: GUEST,phiddler
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 05:20 AM

"From: countess richard Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:33 AM
I think eric means fake oirish, everything in 6/8 and D and too fast. Usually found very late in the beer tent and even later on the campsite."

With comments like that, who would bother with folk music. Probably quite happy to watch it die.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: GUEST,Gadaffi
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 05:11 AM

At one Sidmouth I recall, there were 23 string players in the Radway including Dee de Witt on cello. Personnel included Flos Headford, Paul Burgess, Taz Tarry, Colin and Ruth Thompson, Glen Titmus, and (the late) Mick Brooks. I can add to that Gavin Atkin, Mary Barber, John Offord, Alan Lamb ...

All welcome at the Volunteer at Sidmouth this year, by the way!


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 05:07 AM

What do you mean by fast? Does, say, Tommy Peoples play too fast for you? Sean Keane? I find (most) Irish sessions played (mostly) at a comfortable pace, with a nice variation of speed and rhythm. Some fiddlers (and other msuicians) go for a blast now and again, but are generally tolerated for a tune or two then hauled into line. Too slow and the session becomes plonking.

I also find some (not all) English/ mixed sessions very samey- a concentration on slower tunes (waltzes etc.), and definitely struggling when a fairly ordinary jig, or even more so, reel is played (still slowly). And what's worse, a decided hostility to anyone who wants to improve- see comments above about musicians "showing off". You wouldn't accuse a singer of "showing off" if they sang a song you couldn't dance to... would you?


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:58 AM

OK let me ask a question here, and I am not sure if I can put in a way that expresses correctly what I mean as I am a non musician.

I have heard some lovely fiddle playing from various artists, but why oh why, do some of them (not all) have to show off by playing very fast tunes as if they want the whole world to know how good they really are. To me they don't do anything for me, but seem to get the rest of the audience in raptures.

Could it be the difference between a non musician who likes to here lovely music, and an audience musician who is in awe of the skills of the fiddler.

The reason I ask this, is that if you have a club like mine, where I would think at least half the audience or more is made up of non musicians who are there to listen to the lovely tunes and songs, then the artist can actually be working against themselves.

I hope nobody gets offended with what I have just said. I merely wish to know more.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: GUEST,phiddler
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:31 AM

Happy to be fake ingerlish.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: GUEST,catsPHiddle@work
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:27 AM

I've been playing for over 20 years now....started off being classically trained then moved on to folk...

I grew up in Yorkshire but now live in London...


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:23 AM

Fiddle players, certainly in England, seem to find comfort in numbers, but what countess richard said applies.

I actually play with two very fine fiddle players, one Scottish and one English, both female, but if any more arrive, they all end up playing to each other, non stop, too fast, oh and too Orish.

eric


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:10 AM

I was just interested to see who was in England, not becuase I didn't like any other fiddlers in the United Kingdom.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:33 AM

I think eric means fake oirish, everything in 6/8 and D and too fast. Usually found very late in the beer tent and even later on the campsite.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:22 AM

Put me down as 0.6 of a fiddler. I takle it that etr doesn't like Irish sessions.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:17 AM

Yes it is specifically England UK


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:00 AM

Is that England as in the UK?

In Shetland, it's the entire population.

Perhaps not entirly true - for some do play instruments other than the fiddle. But in the 12 years we lived there - the fiddle was taught to all school children. I trust that is still the case.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 02:46 AM

Effsee LOL


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 02:42 AM

How many fiddlers in England ? I'll tell you, too feckin many and most of them think they are Irish, if you get two in a session it works like moths round a flame, they appear in their feckin hundreds.

eric


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Effsee
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:56 PM

What a bloomin' stupid question! How long is a piece of string?


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 05:51 PM

Have sent PM


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Pauline L
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 05:08 PM

I'm a fiddler, but not in England. I love Shetland fiddle tunes, and I'd love to see your collection of them. Is this possible? Please PM me.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 03:54 PM

I love the fiddle also, especially if it is played well with reel.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 03:54 PM

Folk Fiddlers.

Shetland is something else. Can't think of the main family up there, but there is a relative who lives in the same town as me, and he has all the handed down tunes(sheet music). He gave them to me once to have a look at. I showed them to Oaklet, who is a fine fiddler.

We had three seperate performers last Friday playing fiddle, and very good at that.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 03:47 PM

There was a discussion about this in another thread, though it might have been about historical times. And, do you mean fiddlers in total including classical, or just fiddlers who play fiddle tunes? I would guess more than a thousand folk fiddlers. but less than ten thousand(just doing orders of magnitude).
   In Shetland, it's the entire population.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 03:26 PM

Don't be quackers Geoff, just wondered, as I must admit to loving the fiddle, especially if it is played well with feel.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 03:21 PM

I play a bit.
Do we all have to hold our hands up individually, or stand up in a meeting or something?
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: Rockhen
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 02:36 PM

Of what standard, Villan? I know HOW to play a fiddle but can't play it very well! LOL!


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Subject: How many Fiddlers are in England
From: The Villan
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 02:28 PM

How many Fiddlers are there in England? And I don't mean the monetary fiddlers :-)


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