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BS: Scotch pies

Rman 18 Jun 06 - 10:20 AM
Rapparee 18 Jun 06 - 10:22 AM
artbrooks 18 Jun 06 - 10:29 AM
SINSULL 18 Jun 06 - 10:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jun 06 - 11:02 AM
John MacKenzie 18 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM
Rman 18 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM
Georgiansilver 18 Jun 06 - 12:15 PM
Big Al Whittle 18 Jun 06 - 12:29 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jun 06 - 12:44 PM
Don Firth 18 Jun 06 - 12:58 PM
Schantieman 18 Jun 06 - 01:35 PM
frogprince 18 Jun 06 - 03:28 PM
Cobble 18 Jun 06 - 04:06 PM
Big Mick 18 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM
RobbieWilson 18 Jun 06 - 05:17 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jun 06 - 05:27 PM
Sorcha 18 Jun 06 - 06:41 PM
Rapparee 18 Jun 06 - 06:52 PM
Bunnahabhain 18 Jun 06 - 07:38 PM
bobad 18 Jun 06 - 08:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Jun 06 - 08:15 PM
number 6 18 Jun 06 - 10:47 PM
Big Al Whittle 19 Jun 06 - 03:43 AM
Dave Hanson 19 Jun 06 - 04:46 AM
GUEST,weerover 19 Jun 06 - 07:26 AM
Dave Hanson 19 Jun 06 - 07:36 AM
Big Al Whittle 19 Jun 06 - 07:46 AM
Paul Burke 19 Jun 06 - 08:03 AM
GUEST,MC Fat 19 Jun 06 - 08:06 AM
Dave Hanson 19 Jun 06 - 08:44 AM
Bunnahabhain 19 Jun 06 - 12:47 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Jun 06 - 08:05 PM
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Dave the Gnome 20 Jun 06 - 08:50 AM
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Subject: BS: Scotch pies
From: Rman
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 10:20 AM

Anyone know of a butcher or shop selling the "real" thing 'ere in the Northwest?

When i lived in Scotland there were often queues formed outside butcher shops - with people wanting to get their hands on a freshly baked one (or more)!

Yum.

This is, of course, not blackballing Wigan or St Helens pie makers - just - the Scottish ones are completely addictive!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 10:22 AM

I'm living in the Northwest and haven't heard of any of these. I'd think that pies made from Mt. St. Helen's ash wouldn't be edible, much less tasty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 10:29 AM

Ya think he could mean cow pies, Rapaire?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 10:46 AM

We have them in South Portland, ME.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 11:02 AM

Asda sell them. Of course to be authentic you need to deep fry them as well. Along with the Mars bars...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM

Pies
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM

I have clear recall of Scotch pies being on sale in St Helens in the 1960's in the market.

Mind you that was in the days before my cousin was mistaken for Lord Lucan. the Beatles and The Undertakers were gigging The Plaza, and people fondly remebered the day when Eddy waring was chased down Knowsley Rd, after the rumour went round ground that he spoke in less than reverential terms about the Saints. Tom Van Vollenhoven and...(oh shut up for Godsake!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Rman
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM

I suppose i should assume thats a no then? 80}


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 12:15 PM

Should we be talking Scottish pies here. Scotch is the Whisky I believe(and good it is too) and the thought of Scotch pies gives me a headache (or is it a hangover). Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 12:29 PM

No, they were Scotch pies

sadly no whisky involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 12:44 PM

I always uderstood 'Scotch' to refer to produce while 'Scottish' refered to the peoples. So, Scotch whisky, Scotch beef, Scotch pies etc. Is OK but Scotch people is wrong. I have been known to be wrong though. Very occasionaly...

:D (tG)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 12:58 PM

Can't help you, I'm afraid. But my drinking uncle told me once he'd figured out a way to get rid of the butter in butterscotch.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Schantieman
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:35 PM

I'd never come across these until last week when they were on offer as part of a school lunch. I did ask if there really was Scotch in them was was met with the reply, "No, I think it's meat". Such is the sense of humour of our dinner ladies.

Anyway, I declined the delicacy on the grounds that it probably contained mostly potato, fat and gristle - and that the sun was cracking the flags (as we say here in t'north).   But I daesay real ones are indeed a delicacy.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 03:28 PM

Somebody give us yankee infidels at least an approximate idea of what meat, etc, would be found in such a creation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Cobble
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:06 PM

Try farm foods, in the freezers.
All I can think of sorry there not fresh from the baker.

                         Cobble


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM

Personally I prefer a Jamesons Irish Whiskey pie, or maybe a Powers Irish whiskey pie.

No, thanks, I already have me cap.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:17 PM

Scotch pies do not contain potato they are made from minced mutton
they are round and the pastry is, I think cold water pastry; short, not puffy and thin like the pastry you make empanadas with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:27 PM

And very suitable for deep frying - HONEST!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 06:41 PM

Scotch Pie recipe


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 06:52 PM

Well, I've heard and even have a recipe for vinegar pie. Why not scotch?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 07:38 PM

In theory, they're quite nice, but all too often the meat used, well, meat is about as far as I'd go in describing it. Species is a good question.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 08:11 PM

For Dave the Gnome

Usage Note: Scottish is the full, original form of the adjective. Scots is an old Scottish variant. Scotch is an English contraction of Scottish that came into use in Scotland as well for a time (as in Burns's "O thou, my Muse! guid auld Scotch drink!") but subsequently fell into disfavor there. In the interest of civility, forms involving Scotch are best avoided in reference to people; designations formed with Scots are most common (Scot, Scotsman, or Scotswoman), but those involving the full form Scottish are sometimes found in more formal contexts. Scotch-Irish is the most commonly used term for the descendants of Scots who migrated to North America, but lately Scots-Irish has begun to gain currency among those who know that Scotch is considered offensive in Scotland. There is, however, no sure rule for referring to things, since the history of variation in the use of these words has left many expressions in which the choice is fixed, such as Scotch broth, Scotch whisky, Scottish rite, and Scots Guards.

http://www.tfd.com/scotch


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 08:15 PM

Mutton?

I remember a flight back from Scotland, years ago, and mutton was the main part of the meal. The odor made my wife ill, and she still won't fly on aircraft with British in the name.
Probably safe now, since full meals have been or are being dropped from most flight menus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 10:47 PM

Baieds Scottish Buthcer and Bakery in Rexdale Ontario made wonderful Scotch Pies ... don't think they're around anymore.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 03:43 AM

What kind of a man deep fries a Scotch Pie?

You shouldn't give out information like that. There are some people who watch the History Channel to find out which side won the war.

One is reminded of the worst excesses of the French revolution..


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 04:46 AM

Scotch pies are not only not suitable for deep frying, they are not suitable for eating, we were given scotch pies once in a packed lunch whilst salmon fishing on the River Nith in Dumfrieshire, we left them on the river bank and they were still there four days later, even the rats and seagulls wouldn't eat them, ugh.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 07:26 AM

Eric,

You had an unlucky experience, the qulaity of Scotch pies is very variable. The best of them are quite tasty, but there are many around which are quite disgusting. I've had one at almost every football ground in Scotland, where the standard half-time sustenance is a pie and Bovril (very salty beef extract drink).

wr


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 07:36 AM

I was always under the impression that scotch pies were a joke played on English tourists, and a good one too.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 07:46 AM

Actually Eric understates the case.

Scotch pies were part of a chapter in history that has almost disappeared from human memory - not even an episode on the history Channel - The Great Indigestible Pie Era.

It was like this.

It was after the war. Apart from fish and chips, food outside of ones home was an alien concept to most English people. However there were cafes that sold cups of tea, pies, and crisps. They hadn't really got the hang of coffee.

who can forget the Walls S & K - two tiny cubes of steak two finger nailsized off cuts of kidney, in a gravy somewhat resembling nitric acid - served in a jolly blue and red cellophane bag. if you bit into the pie - the gravy squirted out and scalded your hand.

the Steak and Onion, didn't actually contain onion, .....or steak that I can remember. there were areas of brown moisture within plaster of paris crust - but really it wasn't a good idea to enquire too closely

When Pukka Pies appeared in the late 60's with exotic flavours like Chicken and Mushroom - it was a great step forward. that's when England started to swing.

well now you know who ate all the pies!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:03 AM

Massey's meat and tater pies, from Irlam's o'th'Height, Salford. Tuesday dinner. Still miss them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:06 AM

You can get them at most supermarkets Asda, Morrisons etc and at Farmfoods though suggest you try Marks cuse they do an excellent lorne sausage (suare sausage) and some nice scottish style steak pies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:44 AM

Is that the same as square sausage, Fat ?

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 12:47 PM

Yes, it is. In some places you'll see lorne sausage and link sausage together in the Butchers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 02:17 PM

Don't think Masseys are there any more, Paul:-( There are 2 bakers. 1 is Greehaulghs (sp) and I am pretty sure the other is part of another chain - Can't remember the name though so I could be wrong.

Best M&P pies localy are now sold by Coln Titley across the border in Pendlebury. He doesn't make them though - They are imported from Walkden so if you smuggle them into Salford you could be liable for 2 lots of excise...

Cheers

:D (tG)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 02:19 PM

In fact - you have me wondering now. 'scuse me while I go and have a look...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 02:43 PM

Well, just walked from the Dog and Partridge to near Pendleton college and could only find one bakery! Hampsons - Could have sworn there was another but unless it was one of the shuttered shops I can't spot it. I am on hols all week so guess where I will have a walk to tomorrow. And gues what I will have for my dins if it it is Masseys:-)

Cheers

DtG
(You wouldn't believe I drive that stretch at least twice a day would you?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 07:50 PM

There is a thread up above about "scutch", asking if it is the same as "scotch, a type of broom" (plant, or floor sweeper?) and I wondered whether this is what the scotch pies are made of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:00 PM

Someone has now added that scutch is flax - so do scotch pies contain linseed, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:05 PM

Flyblown guts from long-dead sheep, I always thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:21 AM

Apparently Philip Larkin used to have pies sent to him in Hull from ivor dewdney's shop in Exeter.

I personally thought the dewdney pies a bit indigestible, but then I always ate them walking along in Exeter.

has anybody ate a pie in a stationary position?

Is pie eating an ambulant pleasure?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 04:38 AM

Is pie eating an ambulant pleasure?

Certainly not. We had enough walking to do, a mile home from school, eat the pie (ritually, enjoying every morsel) and a cup of tea and usually a small custard pie too, then walk back to school. I haven't wanted to see Claremont Road since.

The other highlight of the week was Kidd's fish, chips and peas on Fridays.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 08:50 AM

Was it De la Salle then, Paul? I was there for 3 months between September and December 1969. It was what made me decide that teh academic life was not for me:-)

Anyhow - Masseys definitely ain't there. Just bought M&P pies from Hampsons, who's bags proclaim they are Sayers. The pies were not that good but at £1.10 for 2 I suppose I can't complain too much. Mrs G reckons that Masseys was on that block but we can't remember if it what is now Hampsons (or Sayers, which I thought was Greenhalghs) or if it was there until quite recently and is now either a cafe, a dry cleaners or an employment agency.

Either way, along with Kidds, a sad loss:-(

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 09:52 AM

That was my A-level year. I can't remember you, what year were you in? It was a blooming nightmare. I've never met anyone who was there since I left (apart from my brothers) and I really don't like remembering that bit of life much. Massey's and Kidd's quite another matter, IIRC Massey's was just past the Holt's pub, can't remember the name. I think they had another shop near Barr Hill post office for a while.

All this talk of pies is making me hungry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 10:27 AM

I suspect that there are two main factors that make commercial foods seem cheap. One is the kind of fat used. At home, I make brownies, cookies and frosting with real butter. Commercial bakeries use much cheaper stuff.

The other is that commercial sources use mass-produced, premade sauces and gravies. They all taste the same.

I notice that the recipe linked above just calls for "gravy." It doesn't say to make the gravy. Apparently one opens a can or mix and ta da! The pies will reflect this poor quality ingredient.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 11:22 AM

I came into the 6th form in 1969 from Ambrose Barlow. I think it may have been the first year they had accepted 'outside' kids but I could be wrong. I never wore the red blazer - only the black:-) Had to resit a couple of O's and was planning to do A level History, Economics and British Constitution and Government for my sins. Spent most of my time in the library reading H Ryder Haggard and CS Forester. No wonder I gave it up! My favourite memory of the place was going to a Pepe Martinez concert at the school - He was brilliant. Oh - and going to a joint 'do' with Adelphi House and, not having pulled a bird, discovering the joys of Ind Coupes beers at the Brewery Tavern on Adelphi Street. Did you know De la Salle is part of Pendleton College now btw?

There are 3 holts pubs - From the Manchester end - Red Lion, Wellington and Wagon and Horses. There is the Dog and Partridge (Bass or whoever they are now) between the last 2. It was the Masseys up near Barr Hill I was thinking of. If the one nearer where the roundabout is now was near Kidds I guess it was pulled down when they built the by-pass and the co-op.

I remembered today that when we used to go to Belle View speedway we always got off the bus early and walk the last mile to Swinton - Just so we could go to Kidds chippy - It was that good:-) Didn't sell scotch pies though but if I remember rightly their meat pies were realy good as well.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:31 AM

Let's see.. you must have been a St. Mary's, Swinton kid then. That's where my Mum went to school in the twenties. I was at St. Luke's then De La Salle prep (middle class, see?). My main contact with Swinton was walking to Station Road on match days.

Complete the following sequence:

Blan, Speed, Fleet, Stopford...

And wandering round Lumms and the canal. We used to eat the gorgeous blackberries that grew there, just next to the Chloride battery works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 08:29 AM

Yeh Paul - the friday night chippy, i used to do the chips run on me bike - try to get home before William Franklyn in International Agent with young Alan Rothwell(Ken Barlow's better looking brother) as his sidekick.

My mother always used to say - don't get in the queue for that fat woman serving you, she always licks her finger to grab the paper and she's got pyrroheae - she meant her gums bled like Dracula after a good lunch. Now I check it in dictionary, I can't find the word.

perhaps I dreamt it all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 08:43 AM

That's because it's spelt pyorrhea so you were probably looking on the wrong page. I told you I was middle class, went to prep and grammer skool, I used to get to bunk off erly on Fridys for geting all my spelings rite.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:24 AM

didn't go to prep school. but I went to grammar school. studied humiliation, degradation and latin. the I went to a public school, where I heard about Bob Dylan, and learned to play the guitar. my guitar studies were not unfortunately on the curriculum - so my sojourn in those groves of academe were short indeed.

did that same woman bleed on your chips? By gum we were lucky to survive in those days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:28 AM

Paul, if you "used to get to bunk off erly on Fridys for geting all my spelings rite," how come you can spell pyorrhea?

drummer: the song is so right - "for a boy's best friend is his mother."


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Fullerton
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:51 AM

Heron Supermarkets sell them they have branches round the north west . 99p for 4!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotch pies
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

You'll have to get yer bum up 'ere then, Paul. The White Lion, that hosts Swinton Folk Club, is the original home of the Lions and holds a grand collection of memorabilia:-)

Don't know the full sequence but Gowers had to be in there! It will be on a wall in the folk club somewhere.

You would also be quite surprised at St Lukes as well - Just round the corner from me now. Remember the old church? It became a church hall when the new one was build - Well it has now expanded and hosts an excelent open mic night on a Thursday.

They don't sell pies either though...

Cheers

DtG


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