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BS: Burial or Cremation?

GUEST,Charmain 14 Jun 06 - 09:10 AM
Paul Burke 14 Jun 06 - 09:14 AM
John O'L 14 Jun 06 - 09:43 AM
Sorcha 14 Jun 06 - 09:43 AM
Peace 14 Jun 06 - 10:17 AM
Rapparee 14 Jun 06 - 10:26 AM
Mooh 14 Jun 06 - 10:35 AM
Charmain 14 Jun 06 - 10:36 AM
Rapparee 14 Jun 06 - 10:44 AM
The Villan 14 Jun 06 - 10:57 AM
gnomad 14 Jun 06 - 11:01 AM
Georgiansilver 14 Jun 06 - 11:04 AM
webfolk 14 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM
bobad 14 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM
Little Hawk 14 Jun 06 - 11:18 AM
Paco Rabanne 14 Jun 06 - 11:22 AM
GUEST, Topsie 14 Jun 06 - 11:31 AM
Rabbi-Sol 14 Jun 06 - 12:06 PM
Amos 14 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM
Clinton Hammond 14 Jun 06 - 12:17 PM
Wesley S 14 Jun 06 - 12:36 PM
Peace 14 Jun 06 - 12:52 PM
The Villan 14 Jun 06 - 01:04 PM
Ebbie 14 Jun 06 - 01:05 PM
Little Hawk 14 Jun 06 - 01:06 PM
Bill D 14 Jun 06 - 01:25 PM
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Subject: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: GUEST,Charmain
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:10 AM

Sounds a morbid topic I know, but it something that crosses my mind every now and then - which would you opt for 'cos I just can't decide!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:14 AM

A couple of years before she died, my Mum told my brother that she'd rather be cremated- "it's warmer!" She was, and never complained about it. (I think she meant warmer for the mourners.)

Whatever you do, wait until after you've died. I doubt if you'll care by then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: John O'L
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:43 AM

You'll be dead (presumably), so does it matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:43 AM

I don't care...I'll be outta here, but why take up ground space?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:17 AM

Parts (kidneys, corneas, heart, etc) for transplant. Body to a med school. Don't know what they do after that. I guess I'll be pickled for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:26 AM

I want all of my worldly goods piled upon a Viking longship and it pushed, afire, out to sea with my wife atop the load mourning for me.

For some reason or other my wife is opposed to this.

So we've opted for "use what's needed and burn the rest." (Peace, that's often what happens at medical schools although I understand that you can specify that the remains be returned to the family for burial. Your "cremains" will be given to the family unless you specify something else.)

BTW, the book "Stiff" is a good read about things like this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:35 AM

If there's anything left to donate, take what's needed, otherwise cremate me. Don't waste a casket or a piece of ground on me. My ashes should be dumped on/in my favourite place. The exception would be if I could die up north in the bush somewhere and just let nature have its way with my remains.

What a lovely subject for a sunny morning!

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Charmain
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:36 AM

It's a grey day where I am - maybe thats the problem!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:44 AM

It's raining here!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:57 AM

Why do we have to go through these horrendous funeral services.

Why can't somebody just take the body away and then do what has to be done and the family just visit the grave when it is ready or the remembrance stone if cremated.

I don't want my wife and children to have to sit through a service and then see the burial or cremation, which is so heart wrenching. I would much rather they see the tombstone afterwards, when it is all nicely set out.

And who oh why do we have to listen to such utter drivel from a person (vicar/priest etc) who knows nothing about the person.

How come everybody is such a nice person, when they have snuffed it. Nobody ever says that somebody is an evil git.

I will go for cremation and ashes spread over Villa Park.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: gnomad
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:01 AM

Here's one way of dispersing the ashes, memorable for sure, a recent event in Whitby


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:04 AM

Anybody who gets their ashes spread over Villa Park must be an evil git! LOL Les..if I get to go to your funeral I will say something bad about you if you agree now to do the same for me if you survive me......ROFLOL. Might just cause a sensation eh? Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: webfolk
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM

"And who oh why do we have to listen to such utter drivel from a person (vicar/priest etc) who knows nothing about the person"

As a professional in this field I would like to say that I always find out about the person and with the rest of the family and mourners do the best I can. I have never had any complaints.

Geoff

PS cremation please - ashes scattered in Mull


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM

Another option


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:18 AM

Villan - We DON'T have to. My family didn't when a family member passed away recently. We didn't have any kind of public ceremony...various friends simply came to visit us and talk privately about it when and if they wanted to. There is no reason on Earth why anyone HAS to have a traditional public funeral, service, reception in the funeral home or anything like that, and I don't give a hoot whether or not anyone decides to do any of that when I go either.

I opt for cremation. Ashes scattered. Let my spirit go free, as and where it pleases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:22 AM

As I live near Hull I expect the locals will eat me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:31 AM

I want to be buried, then if someone bumps me off the police can dig me up and prove it. But I quite like the idea of those woodland burials where they bury you in a cardboard or wicker container that will eventually rot away.
As for using my spare parts, I just hope they make damn sure I'm dead first. There was a case in our local paper recently of a boy who was being prepared to have his organs removed when he began to show signs of life - just in time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:06 PM

According to Jewish law, cremation is absolutely forbidden. Anybody who is "voluntarily" cremated loses their place in the world to come.
It is not a matter of Heaven or Hell. The soul of the cremated person ceases to exist altogether with no hope of any future resurrection. You will notice that I stressed the word voluntarily.
Those who were forcibly cremated such as by the Nazis in Auschwitz or in the WTC on 9/11 will not suffer the same fate in the next world as those who chose to be cremated.

                                           SOL ZELLER


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM

Well, Rabbi, that sounds completely arbitrary to me. I can't see any rationale for taking up perfectly arable land with left-over body parts. Where's the sense in that? It strikes me as similar to burying one's used-up automobiles or lawn chairs.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:17 PM

Organ donation needs to be maditory....


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:36 PM

I'm holding out for the Rapture.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:52 PM

I have a hernia. Don't talk about ruptures, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:04 PM

Are you in the UK Little Hawk? That sounds really good and I would like to know more about it. Also it will stop Mike (GeorgianSilver) from saying anything nasty about me LOL :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:05 PM

A friend of mine, a very private man, died a couple of weeks ago. He had been living on a boat, which he built himself, and it would be very fitting for him to be set free on his boat. His heritage even fits - he was born and grew up in Norway although he had lived in the US for more than 40 years.

Karl had a profound distrust of government and any formal or ritualized events. He made no will and he had no family in this country. Cremation rather than burial is his disposal of choice.

Dang. I wish we could haul his boat around the coastline north about 15 miles and send him off...


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:06 PM

Rabbi-Sol, you can believe what you want. That's a question of your own cultural traditions. Cultural traditions are unverified assumptions that people hold, simply because they received those assumptions from the previous generation. As such, they carry no more weight than you are arbitrarily inclined to give them.

Here are my assumptions: I think that the human soul is totally impervious to fire or anthing else you can throw at it, and what happens to the human body has nothing to do with the matter.

I believe the body that is spoken of as being "raised incorruptible at the resurrection" in the Bible is not the physical body at all, but the spiritual body.

If, as you say, my soul ceases to exist altogether, then I won't experience missing anything, will I? And that would be just fine with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:25 PM

I decided 30-35 years ago that I didn't want to occupy a space with a headstone. Just the monuments and portraits and anthems celebrating my achievements will be enough. ;>)

I have a deal where I will be scattered on both shores of the US...some of my ashes will be sent to a friend in Seattle area.

If any part of me is worth salvaging before cremation, they may have it, though since I intend to live to be 114, I am not sure that anyone will want them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:35 PM

I wish I could find the article from a few years ago.... a small Scandinavian town was running out of room to bury people so was taking corpses.... basically freeze-drying them and then shaking them into powder.... that powder was then poured into some kind of biodegradable bag, and that bad went around the root-ball of a young tree that was then planted nearby.....

Sure makes the whole coffin thing look stupid and wasteful doesn't it.....

There was also another story I recall.... they were reclaiming the heat from the crematorium and using that to help generate electricity for the town.... I forget where that was happening.....

"If any part of me is worth salvaging... they may have it"
Good man, Bill!

"According to Jewish law"
Speaking of medieval superstition.... *rolls eyes*


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:05 PM

What a great idea Clinton.

Let your ashes bring forth a lovely tree. Can't think of anything better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:08 PM

It also helps contribute to shrinking the 'Carbon Footprint' your life has left benind....


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:11 PM

In a closed system? Think about that one, CH.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM

It helps take the carbon out of the air, and locks it up in a tree where it does WAY less harm Peace.....

d'uh


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:13 PM

I heard somewhere that you can have the body, or at least the carbon in it, made into a diamond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:17 PM

I'm with Clinton on this one. Organ donation should be an opt out rather than opt in so, unless you have any seriously good reason why not, organs should be up for grabs and noone (not even next of kin) should be able to change that. I do like the idea of using the ashes to fertilise a new planting.
A few places offer ecofriendly funerals here but a lot of directors still want to sell the wooden box with ornate brass fittings. They didn't find it at all amusing when I told them my mother wanted to be put in a cardboard box from Tesco!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:18 PM

Hey nice ring.... Love the stone....

Ya... that's my grandmother

????

Ya... that's my grandmother..... we crushed her body into a diamond.....

creepy

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:20 PM

"Organ donation should be an opt out"
Sorry Mrs.D.... but that's not my point at all..... barring serious illness that can be communicated via an organ donation, I don't believe organ harvesting/donation should ever even be a question... it should just happen....

I don't care what anybodys "invisible man in the sky" says.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:23 PM

Harvey says we should be sprinkled in carrot beds. He won't be dissuaded and wants people to spread the word.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:42 PM

This is a nice one

http://www.woodlandburialparks.co.uk/frames/concept/framer.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:46 PM

That looks SO much better than any waste-of-space cemetery I've ever seen, The-V!

Nice one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Charmain
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:47 PM

Used to like the idea of being buried in a cardboard box under a tree but have begun to have issues with rotting corpses since the loss of a dear friend last year - I really like the freeze-dryed-to-ash-tree-root-fertilzer thing, that sounds excellent!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:00 PM

I think what CH is refering to is called something like "Perfecta." It's a company in Sweden, very eco-friendly.

Rabbi, around the first century BCE bodies in Israel were put into tombs hewn in the rock where they were left to decompose. Some years later the bones were gathered into boxes called "ossaries" (about 60 x 30 cm), inscribed with the name of the "contents", and put with others. (Generally the tombs were for the same family.) The IAA has many of these ossaries -- there are even some labeled "Jesus son of Joseph". But that means little, as both were very common names at the time -- Joseph, for instance, was second in popularity to Simon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:00 PM

Its quite scary really, but my Autistic daughter said to me yesterday totally out of the blue

"Dad, I really am scared about dying and being in a black hole, where you can't see or hear or talk to anybody anymore. I don't want to be on my own"

Because we are not religious I really didn't have an answer for her.

If I had known about the ashes being used for trees concept, I could have said that she could become a tree in a forest and be able to see and hear the wildlife and talk to nature for the rest of her life.

I think she would accept and like that.

Clinton thanks again for that one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:02 PM

"It helps take the carbon out of the air, and locks it up in a tree where it does WAY less harm Peace.....

d'uh"

It's still a closed system--doh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:04 PM

I'm already one of The Ancient Ones, but I plan on hanging around for another thirty or forty years at least. No point in donating my organs because they'll be thoroughly used up by the time I fall off the twig. And I'm much too gamey to eat. I'd like to be launched into space with sufficient velocity to escape the sun's gravity so I can go a-rovin'. But that sounds a little pricey.

Either cremate me or—and I agree with Clinton on this one—I've long thought it would a good idea to be buried me (no casket) at the foot of a young tree so I can be of some use when I mosey off. No funeral. A wake. Lots to eat and drink, with plenty of singing.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:18 PM

Please don't clutter up the thread Peace....

" If I had known about the ashes being used for trees concept"
I kinda like the idea that we could all become Ents.... and gather together and moot again.... :-)

There's a good John Gorka Song called "Branching Out" that goes....

When I grow up I want to be a tree
Want to make my home with the birds and the bees
And the squirrels, they can count on me
When I grow up to be a tree

I'll let my joints get stiff, put my feet in the ground
Take the winters off and settle down
Keep my clothes till they turn brown
When I grow up, I'm gonna settle down

CHORUS:
I'm gonna reach, I'm gonna reach
I'm gonna reach, reach for the sky
I'm gonna reach, I'm gonna reach
I'm gonna reach, till I know why

When the spring comes by I'm gonna get real green
If the dogs come by I'm gonna get real mean
On windy days, I'll bend and lean
When I grow up I'm gonna get real green

(BRIDGE)
If I should fall in storm or slumber
Please don't turn me into lumber
I'd rather be a Louisville slugger
Swinging for the seats...

repeat chorus and fade

:-) (Do we need to unBS this thread now?? LOL)

"No funeral. A wake. Lots to eat and drink, with plenty of singing."
Hear FN Hear Don!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:26 PM

OK, CH. But it's still a closed system, O font of wisdom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:51 PM

Any useful bits to medical science and then cremation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:53 PM

It doesn't matter, really, whether you're cremated or buried or eaten by vultures.

In earth burial your intestinal flora and fauna will start to digest you, eventually you liquefy, and return to the elements that made up your body -- and embalming only slows the process down so that you can be viewed by your kinfolk, it does nothing after you're planted. Leave a body lying on top of the ground and eventually you'll never know it was there.

Cremation simply speeds up the process.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:57 PM

Put me in a sack and bury me in the ground .... I took from the earth, I'll give myself back.

Hell, the way everyone is talking around here there seems like little land is left ... lots of land still here in New Brunswick, lots.

The traditional way of cremating in North America requires a considerable amount of energy (i.e. natural gas, oil). Funeral pyres are illegal.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 04:07 PM

Here's another option ....

the other option

Then your loved ones can have you sitting at a computer on the mudcat .. just as you where when you were living.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Burial or Cremation?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 04:23 PM

Then there's this:


Or this (if ya got the bucks).


Or this.


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