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Steve Shaw 13 May 16 - 04:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Folkal Point Music.
Date: 16 Aug 16 - 02:34 PM

In addition to Lumi Ente/ Iceni who are still effectively selling Folkal Point as a Pay-To-Download commodity, another business Zeitgeist, is selling a CD reissue via Amazon - they are claiming copyright since 2015.
None of these businesses have ever consulted or contracted with us - we receive nothing from these people.
The Zeitgeist offering is absolutely awful - I've heard it - goodness only knows what they used as source material - just who are these people?
In an attempt to put clear water between the inferior quality of material being peddled by the aforementioned and ourselves, we have uploaded material via Hoxa Sound and CDBaby.
The difference is staggering.
We have also included a previously unreleased track, recorded during the same period, as a unique identifier.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 May 16 - 06:52 AM

Neil Sharpely 10:30 - 02 October 2003

A Former coroner and solicitor accused of deception offences has walked free from court after the charges against him were thrown out.

Neil Sharpley (52), who was once the coroner for Louth, was alleged to have obtained £47,000 from a client's estate and used it for his own purposes. He had been due to stand trial at Leicester Crown Court this week.

But the proceedings did not reach the stage of swearing in a jury to hear the case.

After three days of legal argument Judge Ian Collis ruled that Mr Sharpley could not receive a fair trial due to an "abuse of process" in bringing the case to court.

Abuse of process is deemed to have taken place when something is judged to be so unfair or wrong with the prosecution that the case cannot continue.

The individual facts of each case are considered when deciding if the method used to bring the case to court was unfair.

Mr Sharpley, of Westgate, Louth, had denied two offences of obtaining a money transfer by deception from his client John Lewis between February and June 1997.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,sam walsh
Date: 14 May 16 - 06:21 AM

According to MCPS Neil Sharpley is in charge of Celtic Music and any royalties due are paid to him.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Thomas the rhymer
Date: 13 May 16 - 01:16 PM

Indeed it does.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 16 - 04:33 AM

I'm with Dick. We can't know how people's minds work, but there was so much noise surrounding this for so many years and it looks from here like a extremely obdurate, hands clasped over ears attitude prevailed over that time, and maybe still does.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 16 - 04:01 AM

"His relatives who are in charge of the recordings appear to be similiar"

You have knowledge of how the estate was settled?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 May 16 - 12:48 AM

the whole issue is a stain upon the reputation of the folk world. i think he was greedy, His relatives who are in charge of the recordings appear to be similiar, there is no excuse for this, whether or not he was a good musician is irrelevant, his defenders do themselves no favours.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 12 May 16 - 05:07 AM

Looking down this old thread I was struck by this comment:

I imagine that the cost of trying to catalogue all the tapes, and in particular assessing their condition and the possible costs of restoring them would be considerable. There is also the considerable problem of trying to establish who is entitled to what royalties from the individual tapes. Quite possibly the cost of doing all of this would be far more then their commercial value.

Setting aside the issues of survival of the actual tapes I would make a big guess that the executors (who are probably not folkies) decided that the cost of establishing entitlement to royalties from the various recordings simply exceeded the cash value to the estate.

From an artistic point of view I find the idea distressing but I can see that it would make sense to a bean counter.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 May 16 - 01:36 PM

no, not yet


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Subject: bulmer
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 11 May 16 - 11:16 AM

Any news on the Bulmer situation yet?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Folkal Point Music.
Date: 10 Apr 15 - 05:07 PM

Who is Simon Jones?
Lumi Entertainment Ltd. have stated that they had bought everything outright from, Simon Jones in 2010.
By everything, they specified: Westwood/ Folk Heritage/ Midas Recordings.
Is this true, or not?
It is this company: Lumi Entertainment Ltd. that have made Alan Green's recordings available as a Pay To Download, without any regard to the original recording artists.
Help is required .........................
Stuart.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Folkal Point Music.
Date: 10 Apr 15 - 04:55 PM

Hi - did Dave Bulmer acquire the rights to Midas Recordings from Alan Green, or, subsequent to his death, from his family?
I'm certain that there are other artists from the ' Alan Green record label stable ' that would need to know about their rights.
There are new ways to market recorded material - and unless some strict continuity is maintained, there is the potential that artists may be marginalised, to the point of being ignored - their legitimate rights being lost in the process.
The rights to Alan Green's record labels and catalogue are now being claimed by a third party - Lumi Entertainment Ltd.
Can anybody shed any light onto this set of circumstances and the position it leaves the original recording artists?
Please engage if you know something ............

Stuart - Folkal Point/ Midas Recordings - MR. 003.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Rob Hardman ixer
Date: 26 Feb 15 - 11:59 AM

Have just learned of Bulmer' s death.
I know that Rosie would love to buy back her two albums.
We have always been glad that her third self financed album with Bill Leader was not released and that we kept the tapes.
It came out as The Lost Leader.
We tried to come to any sort of accommodation but like many others ...
Rosie is having a wonderful 70th birthday today and it would make it for her to have her two Leader albums back to release them.
She bought back her Plant Life albums with goodwill all round.
Rob


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 06:15 PM

Oops! Bugger! 23 Oct 14 - 04:29 PM was me with missing cookie, rather spoiling the effect. Cookie now reset.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 06:05 PM

C'mon latest GUEST make an effort. All these guests are making a mockery of this site. It's very easy to join this forum.

Sheesh.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:29 PM

The still anonymous GUEST (unless of course it's a different GUEST: how would we ever know?) says "What planet are you on Steve Shaw, oh yes planet Troll."

There have been some posts in this thread that I would regard as trolling, but they're not Steve's. The worst that Steve has done is to respond to them, understandably, but nonetheless feeding the troll.

Any and all trolls: please crawl back under your bridges and let the rest of us get on with exploring how the recordings might be made available.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:01 PM

"and I don't want to listen to some faux-managerial arsehole getting in the way. "
So that means that you are going to make the estate an offer for the master tapes and associated rights

or are you just another one who prefers to rant on the net rather than do anything?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 09:09 AM

Does Malcolm have some kind of personal issue with Billy Pigg, wanting to see his recordings lost in obscurity and being prepared to make a fool of himself spouting obviously insincere business-speak bullshit to justify his position?

I haven't heard Pigg's LP for years. I want to hear it again, and I don't want to listen to some faux-managerial arsehole getting in the way.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 09:00 AM

Maybe he thought that by creating and maintaining an artificial long term scarcity of supply,
eventually ebay auction prices for individual new old stock 'rare' LPs remaining in his warehouse
would be driven up substantially by over competative bidding by well off record collectors...???

Unlikely, risky ? but at least would make some kind of business sense...?????

who knows......


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 08:31 AM

This discussion is just rehashing old ground unless his estate is willing to take a different attitude. I have never quite understood why he took the stance he did - if he didn't consider them to be worth releasing commercially then it would have made sense to negotiate with individual artists or others interested in the tapes to get whatever he could for them, but it appears he wasn't willing to do so.

He was not obliged to defend or explain himself, of course, but the consequence is that his reputation as a musician and publisher of some useful tunebooks has been completely overtaken by this matter. If his estate were now to take a different view it is possible that his reputation might at least in part be redeemed.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 07:58 AM

I doubt that


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 07:20 AM

That's me done in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 07:16 AM

If "troll" means disagreeing with anonymous "guests" then so be it. I wasn't asking Malcolm to volunteer, was I, more to piss or get off the pot really. He was the man who sarcastically asked if we wanted to bid for Bulmer's urinals, remember, a nice case of trying to obstruct the debate. Every Bulmer thread throws up people like that. You may also care to dwell for a second on the fact that you are an anonymous "guest" whereas I'm out here in the open, and consider which of us would be more likely to troll. To repeat, "to troll" does not mean "to disagree with you". Maybe you've been reading too many issues of the Daily Mail lately.

Now back to the question, eh? The point is that, somewhere, there are either tapes or there aren't any more. Even if the tapes are knackered, there are still rights and we know that good vinyl still exists. The silence on the tapes is deafening, which is not a good sign, but there's the vinyl, potentially a good second-best. Even Mr Bulmer's allies in this thread accept that they have little or no financial value. They are certainly not earning anyone any money at the moment. So if the family or friends of the family (including one or two people here who claim to be closer than the rest of us) read this thread, let's have a little gentle pressure in the right direction to now do the decent thing. If there's no money in it for the family now, there never will be, so just give the rights back to the artists. That might represent a financial loss but there's no prospect of that being turned around. It would cost more to get the recordings out in decent quality than any profit to be made, eh? So at least let the artists have free rein to do what they want to with their material. They won't make money either, but at least they would have the choice. And let's stop pretending that hanging on and saying nothing is the decent thing, eh?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: oggie
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 04:39 AM

Just to correct something said earlier.

Trailer records were not forced out of business by the oil shortage of 1973. The last records were released in 1977.

Neither was the move to CDs the original cause. They came along in the early eighties.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:11 AM

I don,t remember this thread asking for volunteers to sort Dave Bulmers estate out. What planet are you on Steve Shaw, oh yes planet Troll.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 07:19 PM

Well, Malcolm, instead of being so patronising and sanctimonious, and as you know the family so well, why don't you do it? You sound like the ideal man! Unless, of course...

No, really. Why don't YOU do it??


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 06:13 PM

I had intended to resist replying to Mr Shaw's diatribes but when he attacks me directly that is difficult to do.

First let me affirm that, yes I knew Dave quite well and I said in my first posting that he could be awkward at times - can't we all?

Secondly I referred to his support for TRADITIONAL musicians and I stick by that.

Thirdly why, having bought something, for whatever reason, and subsequently finding it of no value should you offer it to anyone but the seller?

Apart from the one-argument-fits-all Mr Shaw there is some useful stuff being raised.

For any movement on this it would need someone / some organisation to approach the family, who undoubtedly hold Dave's share of the copyright, in a proper manner to see if there is, indeed, a way forward. I fear the time for that may be long past following all the vitriole aimed at someone they loved.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 04:13 PM

For the traditional stuff on Leader, professionally transferring from the vinyl would probably be more than adequate, especially for the unnacompanied singing and single instrument recordings. Steve, but fair point.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 02:30 PM

I agree with all that. But surely we first need to know that the tapes are usable, or even whether they exist at all any more. The stony silence on this down the years has been deafening and it hardly augurs well.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 12:22 PM

With the Leader catalogue, essentially we are talking about a set of recordings of traditional musicians and singers which have little commercial value, but are of great interest culturally to researchers, academics, other folk singers and musicians – and of course to the small number of fans of these sorts of recordings. On a must basic level, it would be relatively easy to ensure copies of the vinyl are available in various sound archives and in libraries such as the RVW library – it probably wouldn't be illegal for these libraries to store such material as digital files or on CD for research and archival purposes. However, if the plan was to make them more widely available – either as free or paid for downloads or for on-line streaming, discussions would need to be had with the current rights holder – presumably Mrs Bulmer or another family member. It's up to the right holder whether they want to hold onto those rights, sell them, license them or give them away. What is clear is that the antagonistic approach taken by some in the folk world in the past to Mr Bulmer (however justified some people think it might have been) is not going to help to resolve the issue – all it can do is to lead to the situation becoming even more deeply entrenched.

In my mind there are several areas to consider.

1)Is there an organisation which would take custody of the recordings (if they are available/salvageable) and take responsibility for ownership/management of the rights to them, if the currents rights holder would be prepared to sell, licence or donate the rights/recordings?

2)Is there an individual or group of individuals (preferably with no axe to grind or history of conflict with Mr Bulmer) who could negotiate the terms on which the current rights holder would be prepared to make the rights available?

3)Is there an individual/group of individuals/organisation who would be prepared to raise funds to pay
a) for the rights (and the recordings if still available);
b) for the digital transfer and remastering;
c) for the admin time to upload the collection onto a suitable site for streaming and downloads (a platform like Bandcamp would probably be the cheapest and easiest way to do this);
d) for the writing of accompanying texts to go online to contextualise and annotate the recordings; and
e) for the promotional and publicity around the launch of the archive?

4)Is it possible to get on board sound engineers, studios, web designers and writers/researchers who would donate some of their time to the project free or at a reduced rate to keep costs down?

I'm sure there are plenty of other issues to consider. First and foremost this is about being able to put in the time and commitment, good planning and project management, getting the right people on board, fundraising and above all retaining focus and a level head…

The commercial releases on Trailer are a separate issue altogether.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Selby
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 06:43 AM

I always thought the point of a discussion was to explore all avenues and potential outcomes. Yet when people place a different slant on the discussion, certain individuals take it upon themselves to start name calling and behave like children. This is an interesting discussion with possible outcomes already being raised yet the same people continue to try and shut the discussion down for their own agenda, when challenged will not substantiate their agenda or their knowledge of the issue. Shame as this thread has so much potential to gain insight and knowledge as to what may,has,can go wrong with old tapes and copy write.I am not an apologist but I as I have previously stated I can not understand why a successful business man did not latch onto the CD boom and make money there must be other reasons.
Keith


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 11:44 PM

I think his behaviour is unacceptable!


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 08:28 PM

And apologies to Fred and the others who have suggested that this could be a constructive and, just possibly, useful debate. I couldn't agree more. I've now lost my teddy overboard, I promise, and nanny has just tied the sides of my cot up.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 08:23 PM

Steve Shaw started throwing his teddy about when someone with knowledge of Dave Bulmer made a statement that Steve Shaw did not agree with when one or two people tried to explain the pedigree of the poster Steve Shaw again threw teddy. So back to original question Mr Shaw what is your pedigree to comment and who are you?

And what pedigree would you like me to have? No, please do tell me? Would you like me to have been a Bulmer victim first or been his next-door neighbour before exercising my right to free speech? You are a charlatan, dear boy or girl, and you sound every bit like one of those occasional Bulmer lackeys that rear their unwelcome heads here and there every so often. Of course, you have a right to free speech, just like me. I choose to identify myself on every single occasion when I exercise that right. So how about you? As for not agreeing with someone "with knowledge of Bulmer" [sic], well here's what I didn't agree with:

He has had very little praise for the good things he did such as the various tune collections and his staunch support of traditional musicians...

...There is no real financial value in the vast majority of stuff that Dave saved from the landfill despite what so called experts might think.


The kind of "staunch support" that means depriving some of our best musicians the right to have some of their finest material released and promoted? Cor, with support like that who needs denigrators! No financial value? So how come that you know that just a short while after his death yet he didn't realise it for decades and give the bloody stuff back!

Tell you what, mate, at least my throwing my teddy around is childlike and honest, which is a damn sight more than can be said for your brand of sanctimony.

"With knowledge of Dave Bulmer"....Jesus.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 06:14 PM

Huh - the email address for the ARSCList should have been

'Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List' at [ARSCLIST AT listserv DOT loc DOT gov]

CJB


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 06:11 PM

So has anyone actually contacted the new owner of DB's business, or his widow, or his inheritors? Shouldn't this be the first step?

AND meanwhile the tapes are likely disintegrating ...

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6840233/music-archiving-disappearance-history

Luckily the technology now exists to lift recordings from vinyl.

I advise everyone or anyone to join the 'Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List' at

They debate such issues and the archives are a goldmine of hints and tips and experiences about preserving audio recordings. The List is sponsored by the LOC in Washington. Many members are professional archivists with considerable experience at rescuing or restoring audio recordings.

CJB


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 04:16 PM

Selby.

Dave Bulmer wasn't sold a pig in a poke. My memories, and I'm willing to stand corrected if I'm wrong, are that Leader was put out of business by the oil crisis of 1973. IE., he couldn't get any records pressed because you need oil to make vinyl.

At that time there was a considerable market for folk records,and one might have presumed that once the oil crisis had subsided, things would have returned to normal.

Thus, I assume, Bulmer bought the Leader and Trailer catalogues, intending to re-market at least part of Leader's output once it became profitable to do so. Alas, it never happened.

I went to live in Northern Ireland shortly after the said crisi and returned to find that the bottom had dropped out of folk records. Quite simply nobody was buying anything. Hence, the recordings have lain undisturbed and unissued ever since.

Oggie.

I do not know what sort of state the original masters are in. However, I find it hard to believe that DB, having shelled all that money out, wouldn't have taken good care of them. From his point of view, the market for folk records might have been dead, but who could tell what the future would hold.

In any event, as I've said before, the quality of the master tapes isn't that much of a problem. First of all Musical Traditions has already re-issued one of those recordings - the Cecilia Costello. Personally, I can't hear much wrong with the sound quality. So if that one could be salvaged, no doubt others can.

Secondly, I don't know whether all contributors to this thread are aware of it, but small record companies have been re-issuing pre-war 78s of blues, jazz, country, Cajun and various forms of ethnic music for decades now.

The process usually involves locating copies of the original 78s, transferring them to computer and then re-mastering the results. Not all said companies have been very scrupulous about the re-mastering stage, particularly in the early days. But where labels have done a proper job of restoring the sound, and I'm thinking particularly of Revenant, Frog, Old Hat and Dust-to-Digital, the results can be nothing short of remarkable.

So if they can do that from bunches of scratched and battered 78s, I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to remove a few scuffs and clicks from a set of reasonably well preserved Leaders.

In fact, having said all that, I was some years ago involved in a project to reissue some 50 year old LPs of Ewan MacColl singing Child ballads. That was for Topic, and the re-issued material was taken from the original LPs. I can tell you, the difference between the sound quality of the LPs and that of the finished CDs was like the difference between night and day.

If you don't beieve me, go and buy a set.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 03:38 PM

Dave Bulmer bought the master tapes of NEW MEXBOROUGH CONCERTINA QUARTET FROM Richard Digance, in 1986, Digance never gave us the opportunity to buy them,Bulmer would not sell them to me either neither did he do anything with them.Those tapes were in perfect condition, please stop making excuses for Bulmer.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Selby
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 02:50 PM

Dave Bulmer ran a successful niche market business and obtained the master tapes to what is believed to be some important work. It would seem silly in the business sense not to release the Vinyl on CD but when Dave Bulmer obtained it was it in good enough condition to use? Was he sold a pig in a poke in the first place? While everyone castigates him could there be other reasons why it was not released?
Keith


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: oggie
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 02:23 PM

From what I understand from someone who worked on the tapes some years ago, they are basically shot. In that case working from vinyl would seem to be the only choice.

The good news is that modern digital technology coupled with computing power means that very good results are possible.

Is there a market? For some of the historic recordings (Billy Pigg, Unto Brigg Fair) probably.

Nic Jones and a few others I'd say yes.

For the majority it might be a pick and mix approach, a sort of Voice of the People for the revival.

Also don't forget that Bulmer also bought up the rights to assorted other labels en route. I think that Bill Caddick's earliest records are caught in the same limd but I'm open to correction on that.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 11:22 AM


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 09:54 AM

Steve Shaw started throwing his teddy about when someone with knowledge of Dave Bulmer made a statement that Steve Shaw did not agree with when one or two people tried to explain the pedigree of the poster Steve Shaw again threw teddy. So back to original question Mr Shaw what is your pedigree to comment and who are you


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 09:52 AM

...with fingers crossed for an optimistic amicable outcome....

But please let's not lose sight of the fact that it is still vitally important
to prioritise salvaging as many useable master tapes [and multitracks]
as posssible for optimum quality pro standard digital transfer purposes.

Vinyl transfer should only really be considered a last resort.

As I've emphasised on other 'Dave Bulmer' threads,
vinyl transfer is an art in itself requiring ideally mint copies
of the earliest pressed LPs from the original fresh stamping plates.

Pro mastering studios, and even internet blog 'pirate' vinyl rippers, use LP playback and digital encoding facilities
far superior to the average domestic Hi Fi record deck and USB audio interface.,
to squeeze every last subtle detail from the vinyl tracks...

Obviously cost would be a deciding factor, but at the same time much more is possible on low budgets
than many enthusiasts realise...

That CD I Purchased of "Bright Phoebus" from a Bulmer Amazon shop,
sounded ok on first impression,
but closer listening revealed horrible distortions on the dynamic peaks
of Lal Waterson's voice;
indicating serious deficiencies in the digital transfer,
perhaps either poor condition tape, or amateurish transfer from worn vinyl....???

These recordings deserve much better preservation & archiving.

I just want to get a chance to hear some of these recordings I've read so much about.

A well curated free download archive site would be a dream
[where are lottery grants when most needed..???]

It's so sad Ralph Jordan is no longer with us to advise.

[imho as an ex audio visual technician for a city museum and social history projects]


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,John McNeill
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 08:43 AM

I hear vinyl sales have increased quite substantially after years in the doldrums, because people ( young ? ) want something materially and artistically satisfying for their money. This might have a bearing on future plans for the "product".
    I can't remember from whom, ten or so years ago, I bought a new vinyl "Noah's Ark Trap", but although it was at a higher than usual price, I was not unhappy to pay that for it. At the time I had just discovered Nic Jones and was unaware of any controversial matters. Was it unreasonable to charge over the odds a bit ? I really don't think so -
online bidding is quite acceptable nowadays.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 05:37 AM

HEAR, HEAR


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 05:24 AM

This is a serious topic, and for once there's a faint chance that it might bear fruit. Therefore, could the naysayers and the arguers and the anonymous guests butt out and leave the rest of us to discuss the matter amicably and constructively, and hopefully find a way forward?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 05:19 AM

poplexic?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 08:14 PM

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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 08:13 PM

Do your bloody homework. I have been here for quite a long time. Then tell us who you are. Have you got middle name like Jerome K Jerome? Guest K Guest? Now either tell us who you are (since you asked me who I was) or just belt up, bore.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 08:05 PM

Thanks for being so informative Steve - so who are you?


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