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Donuel 06 Feb 06 - 07:10 PM
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Subject: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 07:10 PM

The riots are real and not a cartoon but it does show that Muslims have a better developed sense of anger than humor. I did turban and bomb cartoons years ago but never titled them Mohamed. It seems you can;t dpict the face of Mohamed but you can sure name millions of people with a face Mohamed. I even named a breakfast after him: Mohamed eggs ...two fried eggs with olives for pupils.

During my 4 week "vacation" here are some of my cartoon captions and titles from the last 4 weeks;

Bush ABC's...excerpt: J is for Jail and Journalists.
Unaccountable Incompetence.
Monarchy Anarchy
Disruption of corruption puts Democracy at risk
War is cheap compared to the deficit.
Ebay item description: As rare as an exit strategy at Pennsylvania Ave.
The death of judicial review.
A strong President doesn't need absolute power.
Nowadays if you're not for freedom, you're against tyranny.
Freedom isn't free (list of rich and famous "contibutors" to Congress for permanent tax cuts)
Wire tap (a wire running through the ears of W, Rice, Rumsfeld, Chertoff and NSA chief)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 07:14 PM

I don't like the way Canadians are portrayed in South Park.

Let's riot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Peace
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 07:15 PM

I don't have a TV. Is South Park a soap opera?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:50 PM

I do like the way they are portrayed in Trailer Park Boys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:53 PM

Let's riot anyway!

I'm feeling left out, not being offended to the point of violence about anything today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:06 PM

I posted this link on another thread several days ago, after searching high and low to see what the flap was all about. It seems largely manufactured, based upon large societies without freedom of the press. No one knows what it is they're pissed off about. How handy for the agitators.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:14 PM

Now that I think about it, West Wing once had a nasty remark about ANWR.

They'll PAY!

OH They'll Pay!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: open mike
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:08 AM

the cartoon was published in Denmark (and Norway)
but where was the cartoonist from?

i suport the Danish and the freedom of expression
and do not understand how anyone can justify such
destructive response to this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Pauline L
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:19 AM

SRS, thanks for the link. I looked for the cartoons but gave up. They don't look outrageous to me. Some of them I don't even understand. I've seen photos of violent Muslims rioting, so I know the cartoons mean a lot to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 03:28 AM

Yes I see Bart Simpson hitting Popeye with a banner calling for Snoopy to beheaded for insulting Micky Mouse and so on ...............................


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 05:27 AM

The right to insult and cause offence


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 07:47 AM

Joke warfare has backfired.
Remember the Monty Python deadly joke?

Why does Hitler's dog smell so bad?

because it has no nose.

Examples of Jewish Humor:
Oy am I thirsty. Oy am I thirsty. Here have this water...
Oy was I thirsty.

Reaction: a slight grin.

Examples of Islamic humor:
A funny thing happened to Mohamed on the way to the Mosque...
He saw himself in a mirror.

Reaction: Slay cartoonists, Behead the joke writers, Burn their families...

..................

I could postulate that Jewish humor has evolved from great adversity and that Islamic humor is banned by the Q'ran. Or that Judaism does not spread religion by the sword.

But the real difference is the treatment of women.

_________TEST_________

Name 10 great Jewish comedians.

Name 1 great Muslim comedian.



Don't get me wrong, I have seen several great Islamic comedians but they were highly westerniized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:48 AM

thanks for the link

Thirty years ago at an old brick apartment building on Hertel Avenue in Buffalo NY, I was visiting friends on the pretense of smoking a joint, or visa versa, its hard to remember which.
Somehow no one had a match or lighter and the electric stove offered no convenience so I went into the hall and knocked on a door to see if I could borrow some matches. An orthodox Jew with weather worn face and beard answered the door. Before I could even ask for fire the man traced my eyes to a glance I made behind him where his wife was peeking around a doorway. He immediately became incensed. He angrily shouted that I had broken his convenent with God because religious law forbid his wife's face from being seen on the Sabbath.
She looked worried and scared.

Hell, I had never heard of such a thing before, not even during the time I went to Hebrew school for the option of getting a Bar Mitzvah.
I apologized claiming ignorence but he went on berating me in the hallway and heaping guilt upon me for the punishment that his wife will now have to endure. I said "Hey I don't care whatever promise you made to whatever God, but if you beat your wife you'll have to answer to the police". Of course this infuriated him to the point of holy curses and door slamming.

I don't believe this guy's God forbid reflected light of his wife to enter the eye of another human being but it happened. But now I was made to be the reason for this woman to be punished. Now I wish I had uttered some Yiddish joke instead of making the guy even angrier.

And that is where I realised that humor was often used to defuse silly religiously held beliefs. The mother of a Catholic girl I knew would some times offer up homor regarding some obscure Saint or ritual of facing an icon to the west and spinning around three times, just to let people know that she took faith a religious rules witha grain of salt. Likewise Jewish humor often involves either God or a Jewish Mother and lightened the mood when people were unsure whether they had to stand on ceremony.

Whether its an Orthodox Jew hiding a their wife's face on the Sabbath, or a Muslim man hiding the faces of women all the time I can still think of no joke to enlighten the situation and defuse the insecure, tyranical underlying cause for beliefs that cause nothing but hurt and misunderstanding between people.

If I find the joke that will save the world, I will let you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:52 AM

A good back ground tune for a documentary on this subject


I started a joke that set the world world crying...
The Bee Gees?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Peace
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:20 AM

I was under the obviously mistaken notion that cartoons were supposed to be funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:32 AM

  • an often humorous or satirical drawing to evoke emotions, usually with a caption. A cartoon is typically a simple-lined drawing and tells a story or continues a story; it can consist of one or more pictures or frames.

    From here.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: bobad
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:49 AM

    An Iranian newspaper launched a contest to find the 12 best cartoons about the holocaust. Makes a lot of sense eh? Lets blame the Jews and really stir up some shit.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: GUEST
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:54 AM

    holocaust cartoon competition

    Apparently it is to test the Western media's idea of freedom of expression. Will they print them?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: bobad
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 11:03 AM

    Of course the will print them, if only to let the world see how these people just don't get it.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: number 6
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 11:22 AM

    It's all insane .... and no, it certainly is not all the western world's fault.

    sIx


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: jimmyt
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 11:37 AM

    It is truly a puzzle to me how anyone can justify burning buildings and killing people because of an insult to their religion.

    It is also a puzzle as to how throwing rocks at the police by the Egyptians awaiting news on the fate of the people lost in the ferry sinking last week can POSSIBLY make any sense at all.

    It is a puzzle as to where the voice of reason is among the Islamic faith. If these are only examples of extremists, what percentage of the people are extremist? Is it over 50? If so, then they must be more likely called mainstream. If there truly is a high percentage of moderates, why have they not been more vocal in their distancing themselves from the extremists?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 12:15 PM

    Cartoons about the holocaust being printed will offend and hurt.

    Bring them on.

    The ones offended and hurt will dismiss it and consider the source.

    No embassys will be burned. No flags will be burned. There are no Arab products to take off the shelf besides oil any way.

    In other words, it will show this group of 7th century mentality just how out of sync with the rest of humanity they are. Thye will continue to polarize themselves from the rest of mankind.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Gervase
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 12:35 PM

    Shit! I agree with Martin.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Peace
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 01:28 PM

    God alone is great. Therefore, Mohammed is just another guy.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Emma B
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 01:38 PM

    When I was quite a young child my parents took me to see some Leonardo Da Vinci cartoons - I couldn't see anything funny - no falling Acme anvils, ferociously armed cats, endangered but smart canaries nothing to laugh at all in fact!


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Wolfgang
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 01:39 PM

    The pope too is just another goy.

    Wolfgang


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Peace
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 01:53 PM

    I agree.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:41 PM

    Every man is just another guy. Or....we are all gods and sons of the highest. Take your pick. As you believe, so shall you live.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: GUEST,Martin gibson
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:59 PM

    Agreeing with me is never so hard with the wisdom and outlook I bring here daily.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 03:36 PM

    Oh, for sure. That's what I say about myself too. ;-)

    Here's an Arab product to take off the shelf, Martin... Dates!


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: number 6
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 03:41 PM

    I buy only dates from Israel.

    They 're not just a 'Arab Product' L.H.

    sIx


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: number 6
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 03:56 PM

    All this brings to light, the life works of the brilliant Salman Rushdie. Is he still on the 'hit list' for his writings, in particular 'The Satanic Verses'?

    sIx


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Jeri
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 06:23 PM

    A cartoon jihad... who said those guys don't have a sense of humor?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: GUEST,sorefingers
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 07:54 PM

    It is altogether too sad for me to even begin to think about who is what and why.

    Most Muslims beleive in an uncritical way and to them there is no other way to re-act.

    I do hope they will eventually manage to forgive and move on!


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: michaelr
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:00 PM

    This idiotic uproar proves again, as if it needed proving again, that religious fervor turns people into morons.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:16 PM

    michaelR, that statement was absurd.

    Only for religious groups who still think it is the seventh century and will not even recognize any other religions in the world.

    Your generalization shows how little you know about the subject.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Wolfgang
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:22 AM

    Speaking about the cartoon jihad, here's one of the retaliatory cartoons:

    click

    What makes me ponder: Arabs feel insulted by Christian Danes and hit back at Jews. Oh, I see, like it was said in German(y) some sixty years ago: "It's always the Jews' fault" (no, that was not meant ironically).

    They don't even need to draw the cartoons themselves, there is already a rich choice in neonazi publications. These publications are not allowed to be printed in Germany, so even the German language products are usually printed in - Denmark.

    Wolfgang


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Peace
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:24 PM

    Personally, I wish those religious zealots--of whatever regigion--would just go meet their Makers and let the rest of us get on with it.

    Ya wanna meet Allah? Here's a quarter, get a .22 and have your best friend shoot you in the fuc#in' head. Go.

    Assholes the lot. Zealotry is zealotry. Here's a friggin' quarter. Do us all a favour and shoot yourselves. You God will be pleased to make your acquaintance.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Peace
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:33 PM

    Why are there so many poor Catholics in the world? Poor Muslims? The Vatican is wealthy. The followers of Allah are wealthy. Why are these religions so stingy with their followers? Why are TV Evangelists so rich? What kind of mental stupidity does a person need to give money to these crooks? Why don't the suicide bombers follow their religious leaders into the suicide? Why are people so damned stupid? Does it go with the 'religious' turf?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Wolfgang
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:02 PM

    Those interested in inciting hatred of "The West" did travel around a lot with their propaganda. Since the cartoons published by the newspaper were too mild they showed around some other cartoons (they say now only to show what was sent to them in Denmark).

    The Mohammed of these "more nasty" cartoons has been identified now: Jacques Barrot (at a making noise like a pig competition in France)

    Wolfgang


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Wolfgang
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:07 PM

    please read "one of these"

    Wolfgang


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:13 PM

    Wolfgang, who do you think would benefit right now from making sure that such controversial images reach the Muslim world, get widely publicized, and are interpreted by ordinary Muslims in the street as a decadent European civilization's attack on ALL Muslims? Who?

    Figure that out, and you will begin to see how and why it has happened at this time. It is no accident.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Cluin
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:34 PM

    Michael Eisner, that's who.

    The bastard.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:40 PM

    Someone who wants to start another Middle East war, and wants Europeans to give their material or at least their moral support to it would benefit. The only way to do that, at this point, is to cause a major rift between the Western Europeans and the Muslims. That is being accomplished right now, and quite cleverly too. A magnificently calculated Psy-Op, if ever I've seen one.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: GUEST,Desdemona
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:57 PM

    This whole thing is tremendously upsetting; I'm flummoxed, perplexed, nonplussed, baffled...I mean, Jesus, the Buddha, God Almighty, Thor, Odin, that pack of crazies on My olympus (you're getting the idea) all take it on the sacred chin every day of the week. My feeling--and it's one in which I take no pleasure--is that some people thrive on hatred, fury and senseless bloodshed, and any or NO excuse will do.

    I am increasingly saddened and worried at the state of the world, and for what it will be like for my kids and grandchildren...President Cuckoo Bananas is openly tapping our phones and declaring war against 'fundamentalist Islam' (does he even know what that means, I wonder?), admits to deliberately deceiving Congress into allowing him to play War in Iraq...oh, what the hell. Will someone please just give him a blowjob so we can impeach him and have at least a shot at salvaging something for the next generation of those 'American people' he's always yammering about?

    ~D


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Cluin
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 07:03 PM

    Will someone please just give him a blowjob...

    Everyone's doing that. Some are even enjoying it.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 07:06 PM

    There are some sacrifices which simply ask too much in the line of duty...


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Amos
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 07:46 PM

    For an interesting study on similar hateful cartoons directed at others than Muslims and never apologized for, see this article. It is clear that for some reasons, some Muslims do not see offensive depictions as a two-way street. I have no idea why this is.

    A


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 07:59 PM

    Most people seem to lack complete objectivity or even-handedness when it comes to such things, Amos...just watch the rhetoric on this forum.

    The only thing that's quite notable about this cartoon crisis is its timing, and how well it has been orchestrated through the world media. That guarantees the biggest and worst possible reaction on the part of both Muslims and Europeans. It's very convenient for certain parties. That is why it's happening.

    When something is needed to outrage Americans, something will be found. Just wait and see. Remember the "babies in the incubators" phony story from Kuwait? Remember 911? Remember the Reichstag fire? Remember the Maine? When provocations are needed, they will be provided.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
    From: Peace
    Date: 08 Feb 06 - 08:00 PM

    Because some Muslim clerics are total and complete assholes.


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