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BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out

Bobert 25 Jan 06 - 06:31 PM
GUEST,Martin Gibson 25 Jan 06 - 05:58 PM
emjay 25 Jan 06 - 05:44 PM
Bobert 24 Jan 06 - 08:31 AM
CarolC 23 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM
wysiwyg 23 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM
number 6 23 Jan 06 - 11:29 PM
CarolC 23 Jan 06 - 11:19 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 10:51 PM
Bobert 23 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 10:32 PM
Bobert 23 Jan 06 - 10:19 PM
Once Famous 23 Jan 06 - 10:13 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 09:54 PM
Once Famous 23 Jan 06 - 09:28 PM
Bobert 23 Jan 06 - 09:05 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 08:43 PM
Bobert 23 Jan 06 - 08:32 PM
GUEST,dianavan 23 Jan 06 - 08:27 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 08:15 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 08:05 PM
Bobert 23 Jan 06 - 08:03 PM
bobad 23 Jan 06 - 07:36 PM
CarolC 23 Jan 06 - 07:26 PM
LilyFestre 23 Jan 06 - 07:13 PM
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Bobert 23 Jan 06 - 06:37 PM
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LilyFestre 22 Jan 06 - 07:52 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 06:31 PM

Actually, Martin, it is the "socialists" who have done the major accomplishing and folks like you who have spent so much of your time whining and un-accomplishing them...

Yeah, it is us who have done the heavy lifting... If America was "Animal Farm" you would be one of the pigs and the "socialists" the horses... Yeah, maybe you think that yer side is pulling its wieght, but ti ain't... Bunch of corportists slackers...

You call that a lifestyle? I call it pathetic...

As fir "unsubstantiated" rants, I don't believe that you have ever posted a fact, let alone a source, here in Mudville...

So an far as I can see, you have not done enough heavy lifting to be taken even half way serious...

Peace

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 05:58 PM

bobert, for someone half your age, Michelle has got life figured out much better than you. what she says about you makes complete sense. and the reason the list of socialists you listed get what they do from people is because overall we are just sick of your whining with zero solutions that make any sense.

when it's all said and done your little group will have spent YEARS whining without accomplishing anything.

You call that a lifestyle? I call it pathetic.

You just satarted yet another anti-bush thread. Why? Addicted, that's why.

You are an obsessive and your actions overall are nothing more than unsubstantiated rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: emjay
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 05:44 PM

About a thousand dollars a year in taxes to pay for the health care provided in Canada? I was just looking at the rates charged to retirees from the state of Alaska, those unlucky enough to have retired when health care was no longer provided.
The monthly premiums are:
retiree only.......................................$ 590
retiree and spouse.................................$1,179
retiree and eligible dependent child(ren)..........$ 833
retiree, spouse, and eligible dependent child(ren).$1.423
The system might already be broken. Education is the only solution, but how to provide it is the big question.
There was an excellent PBS program a couple of weeks ago about the problems of education in one of the most depressed areas. I believe it was called "Country Boys." It illustrated many of the points discussed in this thread.
There is a name for the culture, it is the "culture of poverty." The words encompass the education and attitudes toward it, toward society as a whole and to the person's place in society. Those who are a part of the culture of poverty are not necessarily living in poverty but the attitude toward money is a product of that culture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 08:31 AM

Well, yer right, CarolC... Stay informed and act locally... Since moving to the Luray area I have become involved with their Main Strret program, which BTW, has Bush supporters and detractors in its membership but that don't come up 'cause the common denominator is in making Luray a better town...

But back to the original discussion at hand...

Maybe I'm remembering the wrong book, but I was thinking it was "Brave New World" with the three levels of "intellegence"... I think it ties in well with folks that would kick a chicken to death...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM

One of the ways people work constructively to help bring about needed change is to become informed and to then use the information gleaned to make decisions at the ballot box. Discussions like this one are a good way for people to exchange ideas and also to gain some insight into the experiences of others (if they care).

On the other hand, sniping from the sidelines accomplishes nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM

No, Carol, actually I've been bitching intermittently as well.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:29 PM

"If you are really that disgruntled, why do you stay? Really?   What are you doing to make changes? "

I agree Michelle, I agree. Hearing people rant on and on negatively about their homeland ... move on and out of it, or do something about it no matter how little it may seem, but make it constructive ... don't waste repetative negative enrgy by blowing your blow horn constantly. Yeah we all know GWB's faults, we most certainly do.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:19 PM

Nobody's bitching here but you, Michelle. The rest of us are having an informative and enlightening discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:51 PM

No, of course not Bobert...you weren't sarcastic or nasty at all, were you? *eyeroll*

Reading 101.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM

Why wait?

You allready seemed to have closed down you mind to anything new...

What you see as "talking down" is what I see as being on the wrong side of an issue and being unwillinf to do much more about it than call the other guy an "assh*le"...

In over 4 plus years I can't remeber callin' anyone here an "assh*le"...

Yeah, PM's are "personal" yet you were the one who brought it into the forum here tonight, not me... Nor have I ever brought anyone's PM into the forum..

Yeah, you want to try to make me out the bad guy here but I wesn't the one who is calling anyone an "assh*le" or bringing up "personal messages"...

Like they say, "Those you live in glass houses..."

Like they say, part 2, "Before you accuse me take a look at yourself..."

Lastly, and you'll be happy to read this... I'm done responding to your personal attacks so attack away... Your thread... Knock yerself out...

Peace

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:32 PM

Bobert,

   No Bobert, I did not say you haven't done this or that, I asked you to tell us about your experience. I also did not say one way or the other what my background is.

My hope is that when I reach your age, if I were to talk down to people as much as you do, that someone would just shoot me in the head.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:19 PM

No, I ain't full of myself at all... Folks attack me because I make points which they can't or won't defend... The attacks get personal and folks say I can't possibly know this or that because I haven't done this or that...

So, yeah, I don't mid sharing some of the stuff I have done and continue to do... I have lived an active/activist life so I seen and done a few things that maybe some of these attackers haven't seen or done...

Does that make me a better person??? No, but I think when I make my points based on a life time of activism that for someone who hasn't done what I have done to challenged me personally then it's okay to use my own experiences and insights as part of my defense...

That's what folks do... You mentioned that you had come froma poor background and were now attenmding college... That's kinda the same thing... I would hope that when you are my age you will also have a life time of activism/experiences to share in discussions...

If you would read thru the body of my writings here you'd find a lotta of ideas on how to make stuff better...

But if youi choose to only look at where Iam in the trenches defending myself, yeah, it can be tiresome but it goes with the territory these days... If you speak out against Bush on the nnernet these days yer going to spend hald yer time defending yourself from personal attacks...

I don't know what your major is, Michelle, and it doesn't much matter...

Google up "Brownshirts" and you have a glimpse into what it is like to be a Ron Davis, an Amos, a CarolC, an Arne, an AR, a dianavan or a Bobert these days...

We are under daily attacks from Bush's brownshirts who would rather we just collectively shut up or die...

Peace

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:13 PM

Marry me, Michelle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 09:54 PM

Nope, Martin and I aren't the same person at all.

OMG...does that mean there is more than one person out there who gets sick of folks thinking they know it all? Go figure.

And Bobert, great that you did those things. Too bad you have such a huge, full of yourself attitude that makes you impossible to talk to or take seriously.

Movin' on.........

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 09:28 PM

I want everyone here to know that Lilyfestre and myself are not the same person.

Michelle, great job. You did good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 09:05 PM

Michelle...

Yeah, I do know about inner city kids... Lots...

I spent 2 years as the "jail house teacher" in Richmond City Jail...

Another 5 years workin' at drug rehab program (Rubicon) half way house in the inner city...

And another 9 years working as a social worker for the Department of Social Services working in some of the rouhest neigborhoods (and projects) in Richomd...

(And can provide references...)

And have I ever had an inner city kid live in my house? Yes... In 1968 my family brought a kid into our home... He was younger than me so he shared my yougner brothers bedroom... His name was Joe Washington and he was making some good progress with his life when he was killed in an automobile accident...

Any other questions or accusations???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:43 PM

Bobert...weren't you the one recently who had TWO threads deleted because of your whining fits and weren't you name calling? Hmmm? Yeah...whatever. The university I attend is a wonderful school, why don't you strike out at something you actually KNOW something about? Hmmm?

And no kidding "free college ain't the answer for kids that never make it to the 6th grade." That's a no brainer. And do tell me about how you know so much about these poor black kids being brought up in the inner city..have you ever had any of them in your home? I've had several.

I *DO* know what I'm talking about. I know you have to save face here and say something *educated*. You know we all just can't live without the All-Knowing Bobert.

*Yawn*

You bore me, always have.

And Dianavan, LOLOLOL. Ok honey, ok.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:32 PM

No reason to SCREAM, my friend...

I didn't say I knew anything about your life... And that is not at issue...

I do know a lot about the inner city... And I know a lot about poor black kids beig brought up, if you can call it that, in it...

Free college ain't the answer for kids that never make it to the 6th grade...

As for eniligtenment... Yeah, you may be attending college but calling me an "assh*le" speaks volumes about how education doesn't automatically bring one class...

Now I know why your college is free... You get what you pay for...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:27 PM

Michelle - If you are saying the mutt people should have the same opportunities as black people from urban environments, I agree.

I don't however, agree with your attitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:15 PM

So Bobert, oh *ENLIGHTENED* Bobert,

   Tell me oh Sir Full Of Yourself just how it is that you know ANYTHING about my life? Hmm? Do you know if I came from a poor background? Do you know if I came from a single parent family?

   You are missing the point entirely. Yes, more opportunities for EVERYONE would be WONDERFUL. My point is that a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION IS HANDED OUT to a group of people based on their skin color and where they are from....excellent...it's great that that opportunity is being given out...but when it is not appreciated or not used to one's own best benefit, it seems a choice as been made. And I find it highly irritating that local kids don't get the same shot...kids who come from their own pitifully poor backgrounds who might want to make that kind of opportunity a stepping stone out of their multigenerational way of life. Get it?

Don't you have some remodeling and town people to enlighten? Hmm? Back off asshole and don't send me any more of your rambling, ridiculous apologies...I'm NOT interested.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:05 PM

Hey Carol, what's with the attitude? I am NOT the one bitching about living here....YOU ARE.

Two points for trying to divert though.....

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:03 PM

Well, Michelle, while I resprct what you are doing with yer life, I think you would benefit from some sociology courses above the 200 level... Maybe then you might be less accusatory and little more enlightened about the behaviors of inner city black kids that come from one parent homes and growing up in very violent environments...

I'm not excusing any one's behavior but certainly would like to see like a Marshall Plan for America's inner cities... What we are doing now surely isn't working...

No bash, just fact...

Yeah, I could rattle off on on my patented Bobert "Ten Point Plans" but without the general will to fund them, why???

This is a problem of "me-ness & mine"... The United States once had that vision and was moving in that direction but it's leadership was assasinated by folks who had no aopparent motives for killing these folks... Yeah, just Bobby Kennedy and Dr, King would have taken America to the "Promised Land" but we know what happened to them... Ever since it has been the corporations and righties who have had the microphone, the media and,by golly, theu ain't gonna let no uppity niiga 'er commie get hold of that microphone ever again....

Yeah, it's easy to say that the other guys ain't got any ideas when you own the media and microphone... Makes it real tough changinf folks misconceptions when all they hear is one side of the story...

But, hey, we certainly have the best democracy that money can buy...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:36 PM

Some health care stats FYI.

Per capita spending (2003) U.S. 5635 USD.
                           Canada 3003 USD.

Source http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:4daLWwiSMdUJ:www.oecd.org/dataoecd/16/9/34969633.pdf+health+care+cost+per+capita+comparison&hl=en&client=firefox-a

Infant mortality rate (per 1000 births) U.S. 6.5
                                        Canada 4.8

Life expectancy U.S. 78.4
                Canada 80.1

Source http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004393.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:26 PM

Because, Michelle, it would be lazy and cowardly for us to leave in stead of staying and trying to make it better. Talking about problems and trying to come up with better ways of doing things is NOT the same thing as "bashing". What's your excuse, just don't give a shit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:13 PM

You know what? It IS disheartening to hear all you folks bash the United States. Yes, there are problems but you all have chosen to stay here. If you are really that disgruntled, why do you stay? Really?   What are you doing to make changes?

The issue about black students not graduating...why is it that students are allowed to drop out at age 16? Surely it is NOT because they are mature enough to make that kind of life altering decision. How about that as a starting point? Mandatory education to the age of 18 or completion of the 12th grade, whichever comes first? I can't imagine that it would be more expensive to further educate the students for the extra 2-3 years vs. paying welfare, health care and prison fees.

As many of you know, I am in college. I attend a small, rural University where black students from the cities are given FULL SCHOLARSHIPS to come to college. The entrance levels are lowered and even the academic standards for these students to stay are lowered. Sure, it's a quota filling thing but here's what gets me...these kids come from the cities and then f*ck around and then scream discrimination when they finally are tossed out. Some of them are smart enough to take advantage of the situation before them, but most are not. They have been given a HUGE advantage over many local students who cannot afford such an education and they blow it. The old saying still stands...you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

These same folks are the very last to reach out and take the hand of friendship that is offered by many. It seems such a waste that the education is given out freely to people who really aren't interested in making the effort to take advantage of it.

I don't mean to single out any particular group of people in a negative manner but the situation, as it presents itself here, involves black high school graduates from urban areas. Perhaps poverty is not always a circumstance but might also sometimes be a choice...such as the kids I see at the university.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: autolycus
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 06:57 PM

"a society that is morally,aesthetically, politically or environmentally degraded is not an advanced society, no mateer how rich or technically sophisticated it may be."
Alvin Toffler,The Third Wave
"When I give food to the poor they call me a saint.When I ask why they are poor,they call me a communist.
Dom Halder Camara,Archbishop in N.E.Brazil.

Auto.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 06:37 PM

We also will need to bust up the "ballgame" that the pharmaceutical industry with the government... We can do everything right and still come out losers as long as this ballgame goes on...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 06:27 PM

Most low paying jobs have no health insurance benefits for their employees at all. Most of the ones who do have it, don't really do anything except take money out of the pockets of the employees, but don't cover much, if anything at all. I don't know anything about Starbuck's employee benefits, but if they're as good as you say, they are a very small minority among lower paying jobs.

Troll's comment about systems where the bottom line drives the quality of medical care, perfectly describes the system we have here.

Also, one of the things we say we like better about a country like the US as opposed to, for instance, socialist and communist countries, is the idea that we have the freedom to live and work where we want to. As long as our insurance is tied to where we work, we really do not have this freedom. As long as our insurance is tied to where we work, we will either have to work for the companies that offer good insurance benefits (many do not), or we will have to forgo adequate health care. This is not freedom of choice.

We don't need to create a national medical care system in order to correct this situation. All we need to do is use the economy of scale that is possible with pooling the resources of the entire tax base, to provide the same insurance people who have good insurance benefits have, only it would not be tied to where we work. Corporations use the same kind of system on a smaller scale. It's a good system... it just is inefficient to have it tied to a person's place of employment. Even US businesses recognize this. Businesses in the US would be much more competitive in the world market if their employees' access to medical care was not tied to where they work. This system puts businesses in the US at a disadvantage compared to their counterparts in most developed countries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:57 PM

Actually, Carol that is far from true. There are plenty of people with low paying jobs who have adequate healthcare. I believe Starbucks even covers their part timers.

So it's still a matter of choice. being self-employed covers many things, including professional begging to owning a giant company such as CDW. There is no socialist health care here.

You are making a choice and there is no entitlement because of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:22 PM

We're spending close to 15% of our GNP on health care compared to the average Europen country at just 8% of the GNP and guess what???

People, on the average, live longer and are healthier in Europe...

The amin reason that our health care costs have escalated so much under Bush is because of the rip-off pharmeceauical companies that Bush is protecting...

Heck, he's even put the clamps on the American people being able to get their med from other countries???

Oh, and lets not forget the inmsurance companies who will soon be raking in the big bucks from the Medicaid perscription plan that insurance companies and drug company's lobbiests wrote for the Republican Congress to rubber stamp...

Now, back to this issue of poverty...

Yes, one can be poor and live a happy life... Lotta country folks do... They grow their own food... Heat with wood and have ahppy lives...

It is also true that one born into poverty can escape from it, better themselves economically and move up the ladder but with that said...

... it doesn't happen with a large majority of inner city black kids and, no mattrer, the systems aren't in place for that to happen...

70% of black males in Baltimore City don't complete high school... That's not going to bode well for too many of them breking the cycle...

No, what we need is like a "Marshall Plan" for our own cities...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:20 PM

No, I think I'll stay here just to annoy you, Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:18 PM

BTW,

I pity those who are living under a system that puts the bottom line ahead of the patients health.

That would be you and me, troll. That is precisely the kind of system we have here. Only those with the financial means have access to adequate medical care. To hell with the rest of 'em, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:14 PM

Canada has a quota on accordianists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 02:56 PM

Because we are self-employed, with premiums and deductibles, we pay about $9,000 US a year for our health insurance. With all of that money going just to the cost of the insurance itself, we would have some difficulty affording the co-pay of cataract surgery, should my (early stage) cataracts get to the point that they can be treated with surgery.

In practical terms, this amounts to "rationed health care". And we are far luckier than the millions of people in the US who have no insurance at all.

I would much prefer a system like the one in Canada to the one we have here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 12:20 AM

Some comment prompted by remarks about Health care comparisons [above.] Thirty five years ago I collapsed at the wheel of my car--November fifth 1969. I was in a U.K hospital for six months. Personal cost?--My national insurance contribution from my earnings as paid by every worker. In intervening years since then, prescripion charges [maximum] $8 Ca. Rising to present day charge of $12 Ca. I travel to the UK a couple of times a year, and have had occasion to require drugs on prescription. Example---two drugs were required;pharmacist--" That will be twelve pounds Sir. Or are you a pensioner?" Me; "Yes---but I am a resident of Canada." Pharmacist;"No matter---your prescriptions are free!" On my most recent visit [this past month] I had occasion to request a med. appointment, where I was told ' If the Doctor sees fit to prescribe medicine for your condition, consultation and prescribed treatment will be free. If you request treatment or prescription not advised by the Doctor, charges will apply'. I was prescribed a course of antibiotics; no charges were made . This situation would, I was assured, hold good for ANY overseas visitor.   Canada, where I have lived now for fifteen years, has excellent health facilities, and Canadians should beware of any predatory interests which advocate "private health care' as a "wise" alternative. My medical bills here in Canada soar 'way above what I would pay in "socialised" UK medicine, but a trend toward the US variety would be a horrid deterioration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:40 PM

Does opening their hearts help them to rise above the misery of poverty?

You know what? It IS possible to live in poverty and still be happy! Just because someone is cash poor doesn't mean their life isn't rich with happiness. So if you have a person who is really going through a rough spot in their life, having someone to lend a helping hand out of the emotional stuff is indeed helping them to rise above the misery of poverty.

Most teachers, however, have been asked to consider the question, "Are you doing this for your benefit or for theirs?

You had better hope that every single teacher can honestly answer this question with the answer of BOTH. Absolutely teachers do it for the kids but if those same teachers don't get some kind of personal satisfaction and joy from teaching children, then they don't belong in the profession.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:35 PM

Hm, so far I see at least three people stating an assumption about what I do and/or how I do it, so that they can either disagree with me or agree with me as they advance some position of their own. And all of them are way off the mark of who I am, what I do, what it's based on, what my goals are, what successes or failures I've experienced.... and more. Almost makes me wish I had a resume posted online somewhere, so folks could save themselves from looking so..... SURE of what I mean in things about which they have not actually ever engaged me in conversation.

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again:

There is still no substitute for actually getting to know another human being.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:20 PM

I have the money to contribute to the needy and I do, bobert.

Do a search on "Mazon, a Jewish response to hunger" and then please shut your ignorant and poorly educated mouth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:35 PM

I just started scanning through this thread. Little Hawk, your post of 22 Jan 06 - 02:56 PM is bloody brilliant! Well said!

Exactly so. Now, if only people would get the clue!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:19 PM

There are any number of countries in which one can live one's dreams to the fullest...but the best place FOR a dream is in the individual human heart. It is not restricted to any particular geographical area.

It is also quite common for people to deeply love their country...regardless of whether or not they are Americans. (they may not love their government, but they love their country)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 08:20 PM

Yeah, Martin ain't got a clue... He lives in *his* comfy little world... I have offered to pick him up at the airport and give hima tour of neighborhoods where kids ain't got much of a chance but he just5 makes fun of me...

Who cares...

Well, I do, but not about Martin, but fir these kids...

And this is where both dianavan and WYSuzie have a common denomenator... Yeah, these kids need spiritaul help and they need to be educated... That ain't happening in George Bush's America and he couldn't care less... And it didn't happen in Bill Clinton;s America and though Slick Willie would puff out his chin as if he cared.... he didn't!!!

No, this ain't about Dems and Repubs but about the ***Sate of the United Sates***... It is absolutely lousy... Yeah, maybe we just needed a George Bush who has bent over backwards to make the "industrialists" happy (Google Hitler/industrailists) at the expense of the avergare working man or woman...

"Yeah, the economy is growing!!!" shout the Bushite but they they aren't looking at the middle class and the poor who aren;t moving forward but backwards...

But then the idustrailists shout "We can't find folks who are qualified and educated enough to haold these jobs so we're looking toward India..."

Yeah, like I said, the United States needs a lot more WYSuzies and dianvans and a lot less industrialists making governmental decisions...

With the absence of that approach, this country will be reduced to armed revolution...

One thing fir sure is that there has never been a dictator who was overthrown youi if they knew that they would be overthrown wouldn't have made a few policy changes... That's one thing that Bush ahs in common with Julius Ceasar...

Hey, maybe it won't be Bush but given the industrialist's strangle hold on the working class, it will be someone....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: LilyFestre
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:52 PM

I'm curious, what country would it be then El Greko?

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:26 PM

"The world has changed drastically since the Roman Empire. comparing them with American civilization today is far fetched at best.... America is still the best place for a dream to happen no matter what background you come from" (MG)

Dream on, Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:15 PM

"Re. the Canadian medical system, why do I read stories about people w coming to the US for surgery because the wait is so long in Canada."

I read the same stories about people from the US wanting to come to Canada.

I had a totl hip replacement. The wait was a bit under six months. However, I had already waited for ten years to put off getting it when I in my early forties, so the wait wasn't all that much.

There are problems for sure with our health care system. As there are with every health care system I have ever known about. Is it perfect? No. Is it available for everyone? Yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Troll
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:06 PM

Re. the Canadian medical system, why do I read stories about people w coming to the US for surgery because the wait is so long in Canada.

Do they actually practice triage there? I've heard that if someone is past a certain age, their level of medical care drops.

Is this true?

I know that on the Isle of Man, which is under the British system, the wait time for cataract surgery is one year. In that length of time, the eyesight can suffer permanant damage.

My wife just had both eyes operated on for cataracts, within the time recommended by her doctor. Her vision is now better than when she was a child.

I pity those who are living under a system that puts the bottom line ahead of the patients health.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:51 PM

Foucault is not dead. He was seen at Starbucks having a latte with Charles Schumer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM

>>The world has changed drastically since the Roman Empire. comparing them with American civilization today is far fetched at best.<<

Once again, Foucault raises his head and smiles. I wish that guy would stay dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:46 PM

Because she is so stupid that she is about to retire and has no money and had no plan for her retirement.

Boo Hoo. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:40 PM

Dianavan, your question is ignorant. You don't know anything about my life or my work, and I am not going to start educating you here.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Constituent Lashes Out
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 05:53 PM

I read history also, El Greko and my son is a history major.

The world has changed drastically since the Roman Empire. comparing them with American civilization today is far fetched at best.



dinavan, I actually agree with a lot you say. But America is still the best place for a dream to happen no matter what background you come from.


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