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Peace 25 Jan 06 - 12:16 AM
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GUEST,O. Sama 24 Jan 06 - 12:41 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 12:16 AM

Oh yeah? Nazis are useless suckers of the arseholes of week-dead seagulls that ate the bloated bowels of infected and festering fish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 12:05 AM

""They're loud, proud and everywhere from East Germany to West Virginia."

Who ... Allison Kraus and Union Station ????

"Yes, they are"   .....   "no they are not" I retort.

"Nazis are assholes." ... now that is too kind of a discription, Nazis are slime, syphilitic scumbags.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 11:51 PM

"They're loud, proud and everywhere from East Germany to West Virginia."

Yes, they are. And wherever they may be, Nazis are assholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:44 PM

"Catfish John (my favorit version by allsion krauss)"

Thanks for mentioning this MG. Now ya got me going here.The Hell with politics for now.

Excellent song by an excellent artist, backed by one of the finest, tightest bands around these days ... talking here about Union Station who are made up of Dan Tyminski, Jerry Douglas, Barry Bales and Ron Block (who is definately one of the most underatted songwriter musician today).

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: M.Ted
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:37 PM

Don't forget "dumb",--white power, they are loud, proud, and dumb--we have a few here abouts, and, though they do know to come in out of the rain(at least sometimes) they are none to good about tying their shoes. And, though some would have you think otherwise, there aren't very many of them--people just notice them, because they are loud, proud, and dumb--


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From: GUEST,White power
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 07:33 PM

They're loud, proud and everywhere from East Germany to West Virginia. Neil Mackay spends six months getting to know the white supremacist practitioners of Nazi Hate Rock

Sunday January 22, 2006
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,,1693062,00.html
Henrik Ostendorf is holed up in an attic room of a dilapidated hotel in a provincial town near Leipzig in the former East Germany. Riot police surround the floodlit building and attack dogs have closed off every exit. The hotel has been taken over by more than a thousand German neo-Nazis - 'musical terrorists' as they are classified by the German police - for the staging of an illegal gig. British white power band Whitelaw will headline the show and are about to take the stage. Lurking in the dark, Ostendorf is watching the scene outside as the police arrest several of his 'comrades' and bundle them into waiting vans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:40 PM

"allsion krauss and union station" rock!


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From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:35 PM

Now, now, Martin.

You should realize that Bobert knows everything about everything already. At least that is what he has said a number of times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:33 PM

"Now what else do you want to know about this great genre of American music?"

I still want to know who put the bomp in the bomp sh bomp sh bomp.


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From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:27 PM

Interesting bobert, your song, what was described by the great country singer David allan Coe as the ultimate country song, was written by Chicago folksinger great, the late Steve Goodman.

Mted's allusion to red necks, white sox, and blue ribbon beer is a song title from a great honky-tonk favorite orignally written and performed by Johnny Russell. Russell also wrote the Beatles/Buck Owens hit, Act Naturally. He also wrote Catfish John (my favorit version by allsion krauss), I'm Makin' Plans for the future, and many other great country hits.

Now what else do you want to know about this great genre of American music?


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:00 PM

"--so Peace, let this be a warning, if you running down my country music, you're walking on the fighting side of me--"

Hell, son, I like country music, too. Been an Alberta boy for 28 years now. Done my share of brandings, community dinners, etc. Even judged 4H speaking contests. FYI.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 11:58 AM

Difference between rednecks and good ol' boys is that rednecks raise livestock and good ol' boys get intimately involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: M.Ted
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 11:08 AM

I'm just telling him how it is, Martin--some of us don't see anything wrong with red necks, white socks, and blue ribbon beer--


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Alba
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 08:37 AM

Careful Guest: 12.41am,
Putting a name like that after your Guest title will get your system searched by Homeland Security! I ain't kiddin unfortunately!
Take care. Paranoid..yes...valid...well....Domestic Spying is legal....**cough**
Jude:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Troll
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:43 AM

NAH! No fun that way.

Watchin' the two of them go at it is almost as much fun as sittin' outside on a warm summer night with a 6-pak, a bug zapper and a Robert Johnson CD playin'.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST,O. Sama
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:41 AM

If we can achieve a truce between Bobert and Martin Gibson, I have hope that we may find peace between the Muslim and Christian world.

Is it too much to ask that you treat each other like human beings?

...if not brothers?


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

LOL, Marty...

Mama, don't let yer babies grow up to be Martin....

"Well I was drunk, the day my mama got out of prison
and I went to pick her up in the rain
but before I could get to the staion in my pickup trcuk
she got runned over by the danged old train...


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:18 PM

Leave him alone, MTed. He has listened to too much Anne Murray.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: M.Ted
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:14 PM

If this don't beat all!! A BS thread that drifted over to talking about music--

For myself, I grew up in a factory town where there was a country bar on every corner and a live Grand Ole' Opry show every Wednesday night--so Peace, let this be a warning, if you running down my country music, you're walking on the fighting side of me--


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:08 PM

Play them backwards and the dog lives, pickup starts and wife comes home.


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From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 05:06 PM

LOL

Actually bobert, I started out in folk music, still do some in performance and do a lot of vintage country from the 50s and 60s.

Except for that one Dean Martin song which Johnny Cash also recorded.

The folk scene is pretty full o f navel gazing songwriter wannabees who are unhappy with the world and want to change it.

I'd rather stick more with country songs which feature cheatin, drinkin', lovin" and broken hearts, as well as trains and trucks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 04:49 PM

So now Martin is no longer part of the folk scene but...

...the country scene???

Hmmmmmmm?

I'm sure yer Dean Martin hootenamy stuff will be a big success on the roadhouse circuit!!!

"Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be Martin..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 03:39 PM

DOn't take it personally, Peter. MG confuses all analysis except his ditto-headism with "whining" or with some other bizarre dysfunction in his inventory -- bad body odor, sexual problems, poor dressing habits, religous perversity, eating disorders, gender confusion, political incorrectitude, or anything else he can dream up to pin on his imaginary opponents. This is his version of dialogue. I know it's sad, but the first step in addressing the problem is recognizing that one exists...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 03:27 AM

because it is.

country - well that explains it, watered down rock with greeting card lyrics.

mg= picayune, pissant, what do you expect from someone who thinks the economys doing great with the deepest deficit of any nation in history.

hey old guy, bout the only similarity betn now and 1938 is that the US used the same kind of rhetoric as the Germans did then before they went into Iraq.

because the US citizens would never have supported an optional war, just to remake the middle east, or to get rid of a dictator (who was their lackey only a few years before), or just make grand powerplay in order to try to hang on as the only superpower.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 03:27 AM

because it is.

country - well that explains it, watered down rock with greeting card lyrics.

mg= picayune, pissant, what do you expect from someone who thinks the economys doing great with the deepest deficit of any nation in history.

hey old guy, bout the only similarity betn now and 1938 is that the US used the same kind of rhetoric as the Germans did then before they went into Iraq.

because the US citizens would never have supported an optional war, just to remake the middle east, or to get rid of a dictator (who was their lackey only a few years before), or just make grand powerplay in order to try to hang on as the only superpower.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Kaleea
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 12:46 AM

There was a time when the leaders of some of my ancestors would give the dirtyword person who was responsible for such evils to the women (wives & mothers) of the dead.
    Might be interesting to get dubblepew & osawmaw & cheenee & sadsack insane (& perhaps a few others) together & give them to the mothers of those whose deaths they are responsible for, then sit back & wait for some real justice?


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Old Guy
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 12:37 AM

Bobert the tough question skipper:

What happened after Chamberlain, Adolf Hitler, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini signed the Munich Agreement in 1938?


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 11:14 PM

What the f$@k is a folk musician ?!?! Jeeezuz, Polka can be considered folk.

MG .... my uncle Norman was a psuedo intellectual. He drove a Volvo (back in the 60's), had every Norman Mailer book, and could recite almost every Lenny Bruce joke ... and he would chastise us kids whenever we would question his grand scheme on how would would rule the world. In reality there was never any politics in the guy since he never did anything concrete when it came to doing anything political ... he was too busy running his Golf Shoe distribution business.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 10:37 PM

bobert, I play folk and I play country. If what you say is true, 90% of the country musicians are OK with America the way it is. Or at least to the point that they are not obsessed with radical notions and a radical lifestyle And folk music is dwarfed by country. Folk musicians I would say are greatly outnumbered by country musicians and the same goes for the amount of people who support either types of music.

But you wouldn't know either, being strictly a 3 chord blues wannabee.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 09:47 PM

Actually, Martin, you have just submitted "Exhibit G", after subittin' exhibits A thru F, that you don't know much about the folk music scene... Folk music folks, be they player or listeners, are 'bout 90% aginst Bush aand his war in Iraq...

But, of course, you wounldn't know anything about that because you are not a folk musican...

You are just a loud mouthed Bushite...

But, hey, someone had to take that job... Right???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:57 PM

Troll!

We have not had hardly any dialogue together!

I have nothing against having the ability to say what one wants. But it's a two way street. Criticizing what is said or the reasons why it is said are the consequences for the initial statement.

Can you imagine if folk clubs or festivals allowed this mentality? There would sure be a lot of broken guitars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Troll
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM

Ease up MG. For some people this forum is their one chance to speak their piece. So what if they are mostly preaching to the chior.

It's the fact that they are able to speak out that's important, not what they say or its impact.

Very few mudcatters have any sort of national forum on which to make their views known. Festivals and folk clubs are not known for attracting political powers.

If anything, the views expressed here, pro and con, may pique somenoe to act on a local level with the knowledge that they are not alone.

troll


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From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 05:47 PM

How do we know petr is your real name and maybe you just do not know how to spell it?

Number 6, thanks for agreeing. It's nothing more than you describe except here it's done in the pretense of pseudo-intellectualism and make some folk singer types think their life has some influence on the whole world through a silly far left wing ranting soapbox.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 05:26 PM

When the president of the United States says on national tv that we can not win a military victory in Iraq, it's time to listen.

There is a local fellow who recently returned from Iraq, and he claims that we are training Iraquis to fight our way, then when they have completed their training, they are going over to the other side!


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 04:57 PM

"The political threads here do not influence many or much from either direction. They are overall mostly hostile, decisive, and ultimately, meaningless and have zero impact."

I have to agree with you on this MG.

Much of it reminds me of Sunday nite suppers (when I was Kid) with Uncle Norman. Listening to him rant on and on ... "if I ruled the world".

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 04:50 PM

As for Osama's 'truce' I'm more intrigued that the tape seemed of such low quality and already some weeks old. Coming this way a 'truce' seems more like a sign of weakness.

The political effect of a threat by Saddam at this stage is a kneejerk reaction in favor of the current US administration.

Islam as a major religion is like Judaism and Christianity. They are pretty much different aspects of the same religion, give or take a messiah. Islam is by far the youngest of the major religions, by 600 years, and if you look at where Christianity was 600 years ago, you can spot them their lack of an "Englightenment" and be somewhat more understanding.

As with all religions, change comes over time, with changes in social structures brought on by technology, war and political processes.


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From: GUEST,petr
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 03:29 PM

at least I have a real name and that's how it is spelled.
there are other languages in this world.
and I dont need to hide behind some phony guitar names.

the economy is doing very well you say?
sure, aside from the deepest deficit of any nation in history.
and bush started with a surplus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:40 PM

You too, Bruce.


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From: Peace
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:35 PM

My main enjoyment on the Mudcat is finding lyrics that people want. I am not in the same class as the scholars here: Masato, Q, Malcolm, Jim--but I have fun doing it. Most of the other stuff I can take or leave. You and I have traded our political views and we both know that neither of us is going to change the other guy's view. We decided long ago to live with it, and it works for us.

Be good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:30 PM

That's the point, Peace. A big "So What." People would still post to all of the other stuff that goes on, espeically to the music threads.

The political threads here do not influence many or much from either direction. They are overall mostly hostile, decisive, and ultimately, meaningless and have zero impact.

I give you credit, though Bruce. You do not write long-winded diatribes loaded with hate and disdain. You seem comfortable in your own skin and environment and are certainly not obsessive like quite a few others who really seem to have very little else to think or write about.


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From: Irish sergeant
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:22 PM

Forget Iraq. I don't believe that was part of the "War on Terror" Get BinLaden and Al-Zarqawi. Cripple Al Qaeda every chance we can. Finish what started even before Setember 11,2001.
As to Iraq, set up a stable government and get the hell out as soon as we can but by no means go just because of the nature of how we got in there. I agree the American peple were lied to to go into Iraq but we have to suceed there. This country can not afford another Vietnam.
Then let Congress find out exactly what happened and deal with it. My view for what it's worth. Neil


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM

"That's why these discussions have zero impact"

If that was a reality, no one from either political persuasion would post responses to anything. As to influencing the 2006 elections, no, I think not. As to clarifying views--sometimes changing them somewhat and other times just goin' into the wind--I think the threads do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 11:29 PM

Osama seems to think he has a solution. Maybe you should talk to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 10:53 PM

No one here has any plan. And if they did, no one here is in any position to implement it.

That's why these discussions have zero impact and are mostly rhetorical, somewhat boring, and somewhat self-servicing.

Lately, I have been just enjoying pointing that out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 09:48 PM

Good shot, Kendall...

Seesm that fir5 alot of folks here in Mudville the only solution to anything is to misquote and twist the words of the anti-Bush folks here...

Then they want to say, "Hey, you Kerry commies don't have no plan..."

Like....ha..... No, not haha....But, ha.... That's 'bout all it warrents...

Yeah, they attack and attack, twist and twist words but when thew chiops are down thet are really to ones without a clue...

Yeah, good shot, Capt'n...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Troll
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 08:38 PM

well, I was told that many Sunnis voted in the last election despite being told to stay home so they must feel that they have SOME say in whats happening.

It's my understanding that most of the political power under Saddam was concentrared within his own clan from Takrit and that, while they were Sunni, the average Sunni had no more power than did the average Shi'ite. I may have misinterpreted my information but I feel sure that any errors I may have made will be corrected by those more knowledgible than I.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:27 PM

IF---- the Iraqi government--which hasn't even been formed yet-- is strong enough.

The question is what we do if many Sunnis don't feel they are included in the government--or--remembering their glory days as the minority which ruled the majority, feel they should have more power than they are allotted-----and wind up strengthening the insurgency.

This is as likely as a successful democracy in Iraq.

Bush may not be able to declare victory (again) and bring the troops home.

"Stay the course" may not work.

At this point nobody knows--it's premature to declare success or failure--and, to a large extent, it's out of our hands anyway---since the ultimate answer will depend on internal political developments in Iraq.

But a little realism is in order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:13 PM

And it's somewhat dangerous to even say Iraq--somebody is bound to point out that Iraq did not exist as a country until the 20th century.


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From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:11 PM

Dianavan-- I assume you mean Iraq, not Iran.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Troll
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:00 PM

We keep doing what we've been doing and when the Iraqi government is strong enough to take care of the defense of the country, we leave.

I recall what a captain in Iraq said in an interview, I believe in Nov. 2005, "If I depended on the news media for all my information, I'd be depressed too."

Regarding the seriousness of bin Laden as a threat, study Islamic history. The northward advance of Islam was stopped in southern France and the Moors fell back into Spain whence they were finally expelled by Ferdinand and Isabelle in 1492. It is called the Reconquesta.

The armies of the Ottoman Sultan, Suleyman the Great, broke on the walls of Vienna and Suleyman died shortly thereafter.

The Muslim world went into an eclipse both politically and culturally.
The drive had been to establish Islam worldwide just as the Prophet had commanded. Only in Africa did it continue and eventually, it too slackened.

Muslims have not forgotten their glory years. They remember the Crusades like some Southerners remember the Civil War.

Now bin Laden offers to get it all back and pay the world back for treating the followers of Allah like dogs. Can you blame them for supporting him? And even if they don't, they are afraid to speak out, just as some people in the American South were afraid to speak out against the Klan, or Christians today are loath to speak out against our own Fundamentalists.

I think the threat is very serious and I don't believe the War on Terror can be "won" but I do think (and hope) that the bin Ladens of this world can be contained.

Troll


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