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Subject: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:32 PM

Well, according to the news this evening Osoma has offered Bush a truce...

Bush, according to a White House spokesman ain't interested...

Hmmmmmmmm? I thought he said it was his job to protect the American people???

But, hey, no one ever accused Bush of being a smart person, did they???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:39 PM

bobert, you just are not the brightest bulb in the fixture.

No one in their right mind makes a deal with pure evil.

Terrorism is not to be bargained with. I would truly believe that perhaps the only one who would trust Osama might be you and a couple other pinheads here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:41 PM

Bobert, I'm afraid that I wouldn't trust Osama bin Laden. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:44 PM

Nobody here trusts bin Laden. However not too many trust Bush, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM

I'd make the deal then shoot the f#cker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:56 PM

I trust Bush for not dealing with this radical Moslem terrorist.

Yes, he is a Moslem terrorist, just to remind you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:56 PM

Bobert:

If it is true that Osama was the mastermind behind the unilateral act of war on 9-11, then I am afraid he will have to go the whole path to surrendering or dying. He's not going to get a truce, and I don't believe he could be trusted to keep one, since he has shown himself to be a mass murderer. Worse, one who claims religious pretexts so he won't have to confront his personal psychosis.

Your remarks about Bush are correct, but in this case whoever made his call for him, I believe, made the right one. Even if it means he wants to negotiate, the first offer always gets turned down when you're playing hardball, no?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:59 PM

He made his own call. You are too full of hate to not give him credit, Amos.

That's just as obvious as how wrong bobert was in his opening statemnt in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:00 PM

Lemme esplain it Bobert.

This "truce" offer is a win-win situation for bin Laden. If we accept, he has time to rebuild has terrorist network without hinderance from the US. He can also "rebuild" Afghanistan and Iraq, but not in the way he wants you to believe.

His rebuilding would include reinstalling the Taliban in Afghanistan and installing a Taliban type government in Iraq. Thewn, when he had those countries -and maybe Pakistan_ securely under his control, he would find some excuse to break the truce and the sleepers that he had installed in America would strike.

Is this plain enough for you? Or is even further explaination necessary?

Remember what his deputy, al-Zarqawi (sp) said in the statement he issued the first week in Jan.
They will give up the Jihad when, 1) all infidels are out of the Arab land of Palestine, and 2) the whole world comes under Sharia (Islamic) Law.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:17 PM

Martin:

Sorry to see your head is still up your anal passage, smelly-breath. He made his own call!! Ya gotta love it. Bush wouldn't be able to make a decision like that without checking with his keepers.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:31 PM

Hey, did I say that Osama get's off "scott free"??? No, I didn't say that or imply it for that matter...

What I did was point out that Bush's reluctance to consider anything but what his neocon advisors want him do do...

Same with Iran and N. Korea...

This stubborness will create two new countires with nuclear capabilities...

So, yeah, tonight if I'm Buash and gone 'round the land tellin' folks that it's my job to protect them, I don't dismiss this so quickly... Hey, this could have led to something... Maybe a little dialogue...

But shuitting the door Bush has not made Americans safer but less safe...

MO...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:41 PM

Terrorism is not to be bargained with.

As a general statement that is actually nonsense. Start counting the number of many countries being run by people with terrorist backgrounds, and having cordial relations with the rest of the world, and you'll run out of fingers and toes, and still only be starting.

That's a separate matter from the specific case of Bin Laden. True enough, by now there's as much or more innocent blood on the hands of Bush, but at least there's a certainty that his time in active political life is time-limited.

Sooner or later there'll be a démarche of some kind, there always is, but it won't be until Bin Laden is out of the picture, and some Islamic equivalemnt of de-Stalinisation has taken place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:43 PM

I though OBL was already dead according to that other thread? Guess not huh? Just another ploy no matter who made the offer. There are just some people you cant "dialog" with and Bin Laden is one of 'em. Seems the Brits (Chamberlain) tried that with ol' Adolf--didn't work-never will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:45 PM

Well, McG, I think that is one thing that both Bush and bin Laden have in common...

Both Stalinist beneath it all...

With a lot of folks caught in the iddle... Unfortunately, it's these folks who are doing the dieing...

Idealogues with weapons can be some danegrous folks...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Troll
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:56 PM

Bin Laden and his followers are religious fanatics. Their stated objective is to have the whole world under Islamic Law.

How in hell do you have a dialog with someone like that?

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:00 PM

You have the dialog and keep seeking 'intelligence' as to the leaders of the organization. Then, you kill the f#ckers.

What's with all this "let's play fair" shit. Search, find and destroy.

Anybody here want to play by the rules with bin Laden's crew? Be the first on your block . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:06 PM

Shhhhhhhhhhh, Bruce...

Osomabaa might be listenbaa...

(Wink, wink...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:13 PM

OK. I'll be quiet now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: leftydee
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:14 PM

Troll,

(Bush) and his followers are religious fanatics. Their stated objective is to have the whole world (embrace the form of government they favor).

How in hell do you have a dialog with someone like that?

That being said, I'd like to see Osama's head on a pike. He's dealing from weakness, it's time to actually try to find him and kill his ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Alba
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:18 PM

Well I have no comment on OBL's hands across the Desert offer...

I will say though that your same statement Troll could be true on the other side of the Table.
Bush and his followers are fanatics. Their stated objective is to have the whole world under their thumb.


I was amazed at the White House Press Mouth's comments tonight.
Seems now that OBL started the War in Iraq???...Did I miss something here..is this administration still coming back and trying to sell the same sh** to people that nobody bought the first time round!
What the F*** did OBL have to with the invasion of Iraq????

OBL is the Bogeyman...you don't makes deals with bogeymen. You can't make deals with Bogeymen because you can't see them or find them...they are just there...waiting....that is the nature of bogeymen also known as terrorism.

and you don't believe DC Spin either...
The W H Press Mouth could tell me it was January and I would have to go and check the Calendar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Alba
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:21 PM

leftydee:) I didn't see your post before I submited mine...we kind of thought the same thing.
Best of Wishes
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:24 PM

I trust Bush to do what is in the best interests of the Neocon aganda. That is all I trust Bush about. I trust ObL to wage a terrorist war against civilians. That is all I trust ObL about.

The Neocons need a crisis in America. They need a way to get American troops into American streets without alarming the population. This will work well for both of them, IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:26 PM

Hey, it has been a while since the Bushites have had a booget man... They tried to promote Semator Murtha but, in spite of the Swift Boat Liars for Truth< Murtha just hasn't been gaining an traction and poor ol' Ted Kenneday ain't as sexy a boogie man as he once was... So what's Bush to do but drag Osoma off the death-bed and promote hi as boogie-man-again...

Yopu know, I getting real tired of Karl Rove's little tricks... Like what does he really think of the American people??? Must think them as dumb as a box of creek rocks...

And he may be right...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:16 PM

Congratulations, Bobert and Peace, you are just about coming to recognise the state that the Israeli's have been living with for the past 40 odd years - an implacable foe who will offer you a truce but will not recognise your right to exist in peace.

There is no dealing with this cancer you just do whatever you can to eradicate it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST,Crowbar
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:22 PM

Bobert deals with the devil a lot. Maybe he is related.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:28 PM

No, Teribus. There is no relation at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:32 PM

Interesting comment, T...

"40 years"????

Hmmmmmmmmm???

I'f I'm doing the same thing for 40 years that ain't workin' then it ain't the other guys fault... I can only control what I do and "40 years" is way too long to put up with failure...

Way too long...

Einstien said that "a problem canot be solved with the same consciousness that created it" and also said...

"Insanity is repeating a behavior expecting different results..."

40 years??????????????

Hmmmmmmm??????????????

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:35 PM

Game is called survival Bobert - makes the stakes rather high and you tend to play that bit harder - you have never had to do it, but others have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:37 PM

Spare us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:42 PM

Nah, T, yer wrong... I know all about survival...

And I know when to "hold 'um and when to fold 'um"....

I live in the real world and eal with real people... You'd be surprised that over the last 120 years I have been on more committes packed with Repubs than you could shake a stick at...

No, I know all about survival in the real world...

It's here in Mudville that I have the safety (I would hope...) to say stuff I can't say in my real world...

And I've learned that there are a lot of us folks doing what I am doing... Lots!!!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:45 PM

He is one of the folks who sold your democracy for his own security. Has nothing to do with loving America, Bobert. He's a f#ckin' troll. Forget him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:53 PM

So Bobert believes that he is 120 years old. Actually compared to some of the crap that this guy has come up with in the time that I have exposed to his totaly irrelevant blatherings that is probably one of the most believable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:54 PM

He makes a typo and that's what you latch onto? F#ck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:01 PM

The Israel analogy is not at all close. That's a dispute between two sets of people, both with a reason to want to live in the same part of the world, and withdisagreements about the political arrangements they want to see to guarantee their right to live there.

In the course of the dispute there've been atrocities enough and terror of various sorts, but there's no fundamental reason why a peaceful settlement can't be achieved. Analogous in many ways to what has happened in many parts of the world, including Ireland. In the end the terrorists, or the heirs of the terrorists, have to establish a peace process that draws a line under the years of useless killing.

The business with Al Qaeda is something different, and more intractable. It's more analogous with the religious wars that have littered some periods of our history. And yet they came to an end, though more through exhaustion than any kind of negotiation. And that will happen in time with this one. The important thing is to minimise the damage caused in the meantime, all kinds of damage, spiritual and moral as well as physical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:07 PM

There you go again, T... Pickin' in my typos... Sure you ain't like a 9th grade English teacher... Way to concerned about typos and spellin...

Kinda anal, ain't ya, pal?????

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:30 PM

Personal Attack again Bobert?

By the bye MGOH have you actually read OBL's 1998 Fatwah directed at the US? Please explain how you reason with that sort of thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: GUEST,BEOTH
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:52 PM

In the same spirit as Bobert let me offer a modest proposal:

We wait until we get 'intelligence' in triplicate as to the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden. We do nothing for a few weeks until we have some sort of satellite monitoring in place to verify that it is indeed he. We observe the various aggregations of his followers and their families. At a suitable point at which a maximum of them are within a 100 metre radius of OBL, we detonate a low yield nuclear device as close as possible to the kind tested by Pakistan, already.

This should solve all sorts of problems at once.

A truce we can live with with some chance of actually working.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:54 PM

"No one in their right mind makes a deal with pure evil."


So...what are ya sayin', Martin? That Osama should not offer a truce to Bush? ;-)

Yeah, I'm thinking that was a bit naive of him too. Bush is not the kind one negotiates with, except from a position of overwhelming strength.

I think the Fatwah was directed at a particular constituency: the Muslim audience from which Osama recruits those willing to kill for the cause and sacrifice themselves. I really seriously doubt that a man as well educated and traveled as Osama Bin Laden literally believes he can put the whole world under Islamic law! Gimme a break. LOL! He could not possibly believe it. But...if he wanted to whip up fanatical support among the young and very naive people he needs to do the fighting and dying for his cause...then he'll say it, right? It's propaganda aimed at a specifically Muslim audience, and not a very modern-minded one either. You can find similar nonsense being spewed by Christian fundamentalists in America all the time. Do they represent all Christians or all Americans? No.

Politicians spout extreme nonsense to motivate the troops. Osama is no exception. Do you know that Churchill once made a statement that all the Japanese must be exterminated? Down to man, woman, and child?

What would you do with a statement like that if you wanted to paint the English government in the '40's as "pure evil"? You could do that, couldn't you?

Osama was talking through his hat in that Fatwah. It was said to create an effect in the Muslim audience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:57 PM

Ahhhhhhh, remember, T-Assigner... I don't do no more of yer homework assignments anymore....

Maybe you'd like to paraphrase it....

And, BTW, where was thwe "personal attack"??? All I did was point out the obvious in that since you had no real rebuttal to offer you instead choose to pick on a typo....

Hardly an "attack", T-Oversensitive...

You are on yer meds, ain't ya????

Real touchy, ain't ya T-Touchie???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:04 PM

Amos, you are laughable in your hate for Bush. It's so laughable that it's frightening enough to let the FBI know.

I tell it how it is and all you can do is insult. Seems to me that you easily show your very true reactionary self more and more, Amos. Almost as much as bobert shows that he is not going to win many IQ matches.

Bush has convictions about not dealing with terrorists and all you can do is deny that in your hate for him. You probably hate him more than Osama does. Maybe you are more dangerous to Bush than Osama is. I don't see terrorists here hating him as much as you do every day. All I say is you with your hate Bush every day never missing a day.

You know, Amos. You are really quite boring, with it. All of your whining has really proved nothing. It's like your hobby is hate itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Alba
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:07 PM

Good Post LH.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:13 PM

I tell it how it is and all you can do is insult. Seems to me that you easily show your very true reactionary self more and more, Martin.

I think if you look into our respective histories you will find your proclivity for resorting to crude bodily function references as a method of debate is far more exagerrated than mine, Martin. However, out of respect for your recent reformation, I will with draw my remark about the location of yourhead. From what I have seen of Bush explaining things, and read of his speeches, and seen of him in debate, I think you are mistaken. I am sure he has feelings about it, but I doubt he could decide to make a national policy position of them on his own initiative. But I don't know that for a fact, any more than you know the opposite for a fact; you have your beliefs about the man, and I have mine.

It might surprise you to hear it, but there are actually a few things about GWB that I have come, somewhat grudgingly, to respect. But they are few, and not important things.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:14 PM

But Bush could say, "Hey, let's talk"....

What would be wrong with that???

I mean, really, what would be wrong with that?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:17 PM

Yeah, Little Hawk, you were probably right in what you said.

I don't think America is taking him too seriously. The terror aler code was not raised.

But I do believe, Islamic fanaticism does have a fantasy of an Islamic world and a distaste for life the way it is in First world nations.

Outside of oil, what are the Moslem nations of the middle east contributing to the rest of the world as far as industry, commerce, and world trade goes? What have these countries done in the world of medicine and science to benefit mankind?


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:17 PM

"I really seriously doubt that a man as well educated and traveled as Osama Bin Laden literally believes he can put the whole world under Islamic law!"

Actually Bin Laden has not travelled much outside of the middle east, Sweden for a couple of weeks with his family when he was around 13 yrs ... he has been mostly fundimentally educated ... being that and his being a fanatical Muslim, there is only one religion only and that is Islam.

Osama's taped message today cannot be taken lightly ... shrewd, calculated move ... he obviously knows there would be no talk of truce .. it's a phschological tactic to keep the U.S. involved in the war ... the longer it goes, the more it will drain the U.S. economy, and moral ... weakening their position so that they will eventually leave the mideast with their tail between their legs. Islam will be then strong, it will the victor, Allah will be proven the holliest of all. Next target, eliminating the last bastion of the infidels from the mid-east ... Israel.

That taped message is not to be taken lightly.

sIx


sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Old Guy
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:18 PM

Please Masa Osama boss don't hit me no mo, ise do what you say. I be good boy.

Fer Christ sakes Bobert grow a spine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:27 PM

"Outside of oil, what are the Moslem nations of the middle east contributing to the rest of the world as far as industry, commerce, and world trade goes? What have these countries done in the world of medicine and science to benefit mankind?"

to them it doesn't matter MG ... Islam is all that matters.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:27 PM

It should be fairly obvious why he's surfaced now--look at all the talk about his being dead--why it even rated a thread here by one of our political experts. If this absurdly nebulous "offer" sows discord in the West--and it looks like it could-- that's a bonus for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:35 PM

Personally, I'd take Peace's side regarding this ..

"I'd make the deal then shoot the f#cker."

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Osama offers truce...
From: Old Guy
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:38 PM

Hey Bobert. You think like Chamberlain. You want to make a deal with the enemy that is determined to wipe you out. That dog won't hunt. Never did

"On 29th September, 1938, Chamberlain, Adolf Hitler, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini signed the Munich Agreement which transferred to Germany the Sudetenland, a fortified frontier region that contained a large German-speaking population."

Now tell us what happened after that?


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