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Madeleine 07 Jan 06 - 08:42 AM
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Amos 05 Jan 06 - 07:57 PM
Folkiedave 05 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM
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dianavan 02 Jan 06 - 12:39 AM
GUEST,Robert 02 Jan 06 - 12:19 AM
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TIA 01 Jan 06 - 11:51 PM
Peace 01 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM
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TIA 01 Jan 06 - 11:28 PM
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akenaton 01 Jan 06 - 02:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Madeleine
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:42 AM

kumayah, my lord, kumbayah.

you guy's are so much fun; i love this.

every president gets bashed but, not all of them gamble recklessly with the lives of others.

this is my plan for the next election: if mccain runs with powell i'll vote for them, even though i'm registered as a democrat. to clean up that mess in iraq it'll take real military genius. anyway, the republicans made the mess and they should clean it up. i'm sorely dissapointed in our democrat party. they should ditch the halos and play dirty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 11:25 AM

The polar ice cap has shrunk by half
If it is a lie it doesn't matter
I have never been there and have no plans to go.

Ethelene dibromide billows out of jet engines
covering the sky with thick spreading trails many miles wide.
If it is a lie it doesn't matter.
Its up there, I'm down here.

The land is deforested by 5% every year.
If it is a lie it doesn't matter
I see trees everyday.

They say we are making our military bullets, shells and bombs out of deadly uranium.
True or not, our enemy should have thought of that before they attacked us during the prememptive invasion.

I heard that my neighbor's daughter was killed in Iraq last weekend.
True or not I best not go over and ask, she might be touchy.
My kids are fine.

The bird flu has killed a few people in Asia and Turkey
in such small numbers its just like the numbers who died of bird flu in 1917.
If 70 million died in 1918 of bird flu it doesn't matter.
That was then, this is now.

Suicide bombers do not value human life, just like the Emperor worshipping Japs who made suicide charges or smashed the skulls of their mothers and sisters rather than surrender.
True or not it doesn't matter.
At least we still value human life.

People who leak so called truth are being investigated and are sent to jail.
True or not, I'm outraged by ranting Bush bashers like Cindy Shehan who are a disgrace to this great nation of faith.

They changed the broadcast times of American Idol.
If it is true it doesn't matter,
but its still pure torture to reprogram a TIVO.






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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 07:57 PM

Mystic symbolism reminds me of people tearing up a map, scattering bits to the winds, and then chasing as fast as they can after the shards "in order to get where they are going". Too divorced from the territory to even read the map!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

Chopra's answer (in part): "Look at the spelling of God: G stands for Generation; O stands for Organization; and D stands for Delivery. Therefore, GOD is the Generator, the Organizer, and the Deliverer of the Universe."

I love this one......does DOG stand for Deliverer Organisation and Generator then? Therefore a dog is the deliverer, organiser and generator of the universe? Or am I missing something?

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:40 PM

You could put any two paragraphs from those two side by side and Dean would mop the floor with Bush's hairdo.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:21 PM

Herb quotes Howard Dean:

"Not only are we going to New Hampshire, we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York...And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House!!!"

a) does he realize what a hoax was perpetrated in publicizing this this incident?, and

b) shall we have a Dean quote vs. Bush quote contest? Yes, please, let's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:39 AM

Robert - I think they mean, don't bitch about the billions this war is costing you.

My bumper sticker would say, Support War and Pay More.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Robert
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:19 AM

This is thread is quite philosophical and metaphysical and interesting, but I just have a one down-to-earth question and one opinionated statement:

1) What are "patriotic" people who sport "Support Our Troops" car stickers really trying to say? Do they mean that we should send money for their living expenses? Should we pray for them? Write them letters? Hold pep rallies for them? Do they mean to express the opinion that they are somehow more patriotic than the readers of those stickers? Or are they actually saying that we should rally behind the misguided adminstration policies that sent the troops to war in the first place?

2) I support the troops in that they are mostly just trying to do their jobs, and I feel sorry for them and their families and will pray for their safe return home, knowing that for some this won't be the case. I can't support the administration that caused them to have to go on yet another "policing-the-world" mission.

My sticker-in-response would unfortunately be too lengthy and too large to be practical for most vehicles: "If you claim to support our government's Iraq policy, but wouldn't be willing to go yourself or have your kids participate, then you're a hypocrite and should immediately peel that ribbon decal off your vehicle".


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Herb
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:02 AM

Someone badly in need of some Chopra:

Not only are we going to New Hampshire, we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York...And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House! !!!

Yeeeaaaahhh


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: TIA
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 11:51 PM

Oh, I forgot. When is Pelosi's show on?


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM

Chopra Windfree?


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Herb
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM

You left out Pelosi, Dean and other left wingnuts. They are immune to the sanity of Chopra.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: TIA
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 11:28 PM

I agree. This whole bitter divide can be laid directly at the feet of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly, Scarborough, Savage, Bortz, Carlson, and Ingraham. And it began the day that Reagan eradicated the Fairness Doctrine.

To those who disagree, please be honest. Did you stop to think even for a moment, or did you immediately label me stupid, dishonest or naive?


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 03:24 PM

Amos, that's what I think too. It's generalized information that when applied to what the discussion is here may or may not apply.

I also feel that anti-war and anti-bushites begs the question as to what is being said here. I think it's possible to disagree with Bush without being full of hate for him. I wouldn't say for example that I hate Al Capone but recognize what he did.

The advice for these interesting fictitous characters (anti-war=anti- bushites) is hollow indeed because they don't address real people and their concerns.

There is no one on this list who has advocated violence against the Bush Administration or any member thereof and I believe that such violence would be injurious to our Constitution and our American ideals. What the "Advisor" doesn't seem to recognize is that the dialogue is essentially corrupted not by ill feelings but by a lack of real information that the news media is not giving us.

But the facts are out there for anyone who cares to go beyond the propaganda of the Right-Wing PR firms. Because these facts are there, we are seeing an animosity of increasing proportions on the part of Right-Wing pundits and those who regurgitate the information they receive from the Hannity's, Coulter's, O'Reilly's and Limbaugh's
The only real thing that Karl Rove has done is to inflame the debate and break down the possibility of true communication.

Let's face it. The dialogue is dead now. We live in reactive times and no amount of advice from any well-wishing moralist will ameliorate that.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:24 PM

Why is Carol nessesary?.
Cause she's beautiful , lucid, and has more balls "than a big brass monkey"....Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,cloggere
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:16 PM

Maybe it's just that I live in a diferent world but..... isn't "Peace" what happens when we dont have "war"
It does not have to come before or after but exists all on it's own.
It can even exist in the midst of War! re:- the Chrismas football match (England v Germany) in WW1. The result of that was the rerfusal of those concerned (on both sides) to fight each other, even after hostilities were resumed. Makes you think doesn't it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 05:11 PM

Well said, Frank, well said.

Chopra's wisdom is very good stuff, no mistake, but reducing it to a litany of pre-packaged advised is a real adulteration, which reduces it to psychobabble because it is not written to a real situation with a particular human being in it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 04:56 PM

"I see a lot of unecessary anger here. Some people cannot accept the world as it is and they are constantly upset and fighting things they will never change."

Anger is a potent energy if used correctly.

"

"2. When you find yourself reacting with anger or opposition to any
person or circumstance, realize that you are only struggling with
yourself. Putting up resistance is the response of defenses created by
old hurts. When you relinquish this anger, you will be healing yourself and cooperating with the flow of the universe."

There is no human being that doesn't feel anger. To deny this is to deny human feelings. But it's important to channel the anger so that it doesn't eat you up.

"3. Live in the present, for it is the only moment you have. Keep your
attention on what is here and now; look for the fullness in every moment. Accept what comes to you totally and completely so that you can appreciate it, learn from it, and then let it go. The present is as it should be. It reflects infinite laws of Nature that have brought you this exact thought, this exact physical response. This moment is as it is because the universe is as it is. Don't struggle against the infinite scheme of things; instead, be at one with it."

It's not necessary to accept injustice in the world. This is the problem with so much "self-help spirituality". It denies the energy that channelled anger can do to create a better world.

"4. Relinquish your need for external approval. You alone are the judge
of your worth, and your goal is to discover infinite worth in yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. There is great freedom in this realization."

This means to me that Chopra can't speak for all of us. The infinite worth is about not just you but for everyone. No navel gazing can make the world a better place.

"5. Know that the world "out there" reflects your reality "in here." The people you react to most strongly, whether you love or hate, are
projections of your inner world. What you most hate is what you most
deny in yourself. What you most love is what you most wish for in
yourself. Use the mirror of relationships to guide your evolution. The
goal is total self-knowledge. When you achieve that, what you most
want will automatically be there, and what you most dislike will
disappear."

Total self-knowledge is a pipe-dream. We can never completely know ourselves or anyone else. Injustice in the world is not always a self-projection. Guantanamo is not a self-projection but a real place.

"6. Don't contaminate your body with toxins, either through food, drink, or toxic emotions. Your body is more than a life-support system. It is the vehicle that will carry you on the journey of your evolution. The health of every cell directly contributes to your state of well-being, because every cell is a point of awareness within the field of awareness that is you."

Spiritual narcotics are a toxin. This comes about by insulating yourself from the injustice and compassion in the world.

"7. Replace fear-motivated behavior with love-motivated behavior. Fear is the product of memory, which dwells in the past. Remembering what hurt us before, we direct our energies toward making certain that an old hurt will not repeat itself. But trying to impose the past on the present will never wipe out the threat of being hurt. That happens only when you find the security of your own being, which is love. Motivated by the truth inside you, you can face any threat because your inner strength is invulnerable to fear."

In the best of all possible worlds, there would be no anger except that anger can be a love-motivated emotion. If I am angry at the injustice in the world, I believe that to be a form of love or compassion for those who are being persecuted. Agape if you like.
Anger is built into the human condition. Violence, however, can be and should be avoided at all costs. Anger is one thing. Violence is another. Ghandi was angry at the British Government for the injustice they inflicted on India. He chose to channel the anger into Satya Graha or "soul force" of peaceful resistance. He separated the anger at injustice from the anger toward the people who applied the injustice. If you are alive, you will feel anger.
How you handle it is what makes the difference between a toxic life and a productive one.

"8. Understand that the physical world is just a mirror of a deeper
intelligence. Intelligence is the invisible organizer of all matter and energy, and since a portion of this intelligence resides in you, you share in the organizing power of the cosmos. Because you are inseparably linked to everything, you cannot afford to foul the planet's air and water. But at a deeper level, you cannot afford to live with a toxic mind, because every thought makes an impression on the whole field of intelligence. Living in balance and purity is the highest good for you and the Earth."

It has to be stated that "toxicity" is often in the eye of the beholder. And we all have toxins in our system. How we handle them is another thing.


"9. Listen to your body's wisdom, which expresses itself through signals of comfort and discomfort. When choosing a certain behavior, ask your body, "How do you feel about this?" If your body sends a signal of physical or emotional distress, watch out. If your body sends a signal of comfort and eagerness, proceed."

If you are about to be devoured by a lion, you need the signal of physical or emotional distress for survival. This is why as a species we are still here. Again, it's how you handle it. Can you turn it around and use it as a life force?

"10. Take time to be silent, to meditate, to quiet the internal dialogue. In moments of silence, realize that you are recontacting your source of pure awareness. Pay attention to your inner life so that you can be guided by intuition rather than externally imposed interpretations of what is or isn't good for you."

Meditation is a healing thing. But some meditation can often lead to a narcosis whereby the meditator becomes detached from the compassion and feeling that guides us in our appreciation for other human beings.

In short, the citing of Chopra denies the instinct we have to want to help the world by recognizing and identifying injustice when it appears. It is our duty to peacefully resist injustice when it is foisted upon us by power-hungry and unfeeling despots regardless as to where they are in the world. This is how America was born, not through acquiesence but through resistance. Peaceful resistance is the most powerful force in the world when applied strategically. Without this resistance there can be no survival for our species.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:04 PM

Seems to me the Great Divide on these issues is not between war and peace, but between those who think they are meat animals and those who sense they are something more than that.

Civilizations grow and prosper when they are able to reduce war to a minimum and manage their connections with others through the exchange of ideas and products and services.

War-mongering is psychotic, inherently.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:57 PM

Ok, let's try that again.

What has salmon, one of my favorit dishes have to do with anything? And who really cares?


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:30 PM

"You know after Moses left Egypt and went to mount Sinai, his tribe stayed in the area for 40 years and built themselves up inot a hell of an army. Then they went back and captured the promised land. " Guest/Agitated Person

And we all know how very peaceful it was after they captured it.

As for women being needed only for squirtin' out babies- have you ever watched the hands-on mechanical fertilizing that humankind performs on male hatchery salmon? Very edifying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,War
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:03 PM

We need womens to replenish the ranks for another war.

You know after Moses left Egypt and went to mount Sinai, his tribe stayed in the area for 40 years and built themselves up inot a hell of an army. Then they went back and captured the promised land.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:41 AM

CarolC, what makes you think you are necessary?

Nothing. And I have never tried to suggest that I am.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,War
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:22 AM

Can I come and root in your potato patch?


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Alphabet
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:51 PM

Too bad your parents didn't use condoms, GUEST,War. What a pig you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,War
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:47 PM

CarolC, what makes you think you are necessary? Best use I can see is squirtin' out babies.

Which came first War or Peace?

You could be in a war for a long time and all of a sudden it gets a hell of a lot worse. after a while you woulfd think it was peacefull before the war got really bad.

You have to have a war once in a while to appreciate the peace in between.

Anybody that thinks they can eliminate war forever don't know what they are talking about. Someone will have differences with somebody else, it could be over what genre of music they like and eventually it will lead to war.

It is in human nature. Ever notice those mountain sheep butting heads? Why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:08 PM

This is gettin' very metaphysical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:06 PM

By definition, peace is what happens before war begins. It's only your ego, War, that makes you think you're necessary.

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,War
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:14 PM

You can't have peace without war. Like night without day

By definition, peace is what happens after a war ends.

Just make damned sure you win.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:04 PM

catma gets a raw deal everywhere I look.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:01 PM

Coffee all over the screen and keyboard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,clogger
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 05:32 PM

Little Hawk (27/12 3.44) The conflict (of the Gita) is symbolic of the internal conflict of your soul not the real world

What is the diference?   If I am called upon to "slay my negativity" I must decide what negative means, choosing the "wrong" negative could lead to strsnge outcomes! Is this the basis for some of the more abarent behaviour displayed by people in a stressful situation?
Maybe GWB and Saddam Husein are realy good guys trying their best (and getting it wrong from my point of view)....or not.
I do try not to Judge...... but sometimes I can not come to any other rational conclusion.
It seems (to me) that the advice given tends to support a person existing without interacting with the world. My existance here is more inportant than that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: TIA
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:16 PM

Yours is a very well know joke proof that uses the square root incorrectly (there are two roots for every square).

There's a good (flawed) proof that 2=1 as well. And more here....


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:32 AM

My math says that

a x a = a squared
-a x -a = a squared

therefore a x a = -a x -a

but -1 = i x i, thus

a squared = i fourth x a squared

taking the square root of both sides,

a = - a


therefore, war = peace given your definition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:03 AM

Ever notice that pro war folks have a wealth of patriotism and pro peace people are morally bankrupt? and visa versa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: TIA
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:00 AM

My dictionary defines peace as:

"The state prevailing duirng the absence of war."

Let peace = n

Therefore, war = -n

Anti-war = -(-n) = n = peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:59 AM

HEY yer bendin my Dogma! ;>}

good one

Did you ever notice that anti war people "protest"
and pro war people hold "vigils".

toon
man outside the Generic Organized Religion Establishment and asks
"Does your dogma bite?"
"no but dogma food doesn't come cheap"


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:14 AM

I would rather say that


The anti-war advocates feel that facts can be changed to serve their unbending opinions.

Peace advocates feel that facts are absolute and opinions may change.






There remains a difference between anti-war and pro-peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 08:54 AM

Hey peace advocates...
Miserable? Become happy today with the new warfare state.

naw that dog don't hunt on two accounts.
1 I'm not miserable
2 The warfare state won't provide happiness.

The war advocates feel that facts can be changed to serve their unbending opinions.

Peace advocates feel that facts are absolute and opinions may change.

Bushites, in any case good luck with your accusations. Oftimes if they are really full of shit they stick to the wall when thrown.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 11:23 AM

Interesting point, Guest, Alphabet. Most Bush supporters posted under their regular screen names before Bush's approval ratings went south. Since then, it seems like there's a lot more people posting anonymously when they post in support of Bush. Very interesting indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Alphabet
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 12:15 AM

So many of my letters have been absconded with by Guests who are regular members but ashamed of their various political positions that I thought it prudent to take the name Alphabet. Just in case I want to say bad things to people from ambush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:46 PM

Good thoughts from Chopra. Pretty much, it is good advice too. And it comes down to being a paraphrase of the title of a book that is very important to me. That volume is Alan Watts' "The Wisdom Of Insecurity" But remember that acceptance of just about everything leads to living a life without getting bent out of shape when one sees obvious travesties being perpetrated. If we all did that, there never would've been an American Revolution, or any other revolution. Nobody would have bothered to do it.

Another good book it Rexford G. Tugwell's called "THE ROOSEVELT REVOLUTION."-----and a volume that has not been written yet ought to get the title "The Bush Revolution." No, this has not been a bloodless revolution. The war is proof of that. "9-11" was the excuse for the revolution. It will, alas, be up to a generation with more youth, health, and energy than what I now possess to try to take some of the good things back again. But it will take a long time to do it. You young ones have your work cut out for you!!

I hope you're up to the job! Many good and humane attitudes are now being jettisoned while I am being forced to watch. And it, seemingly, will make the last part of my life time a very sad and definitely a less than pleasurable span of years.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:42 PM

And so he should be in the BLHOF. Because Bush DID lie. Nice of you to say so at looooong last.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:40 PM

Your are in the Bush Lied Hall Of Fame which includes, amongst others,The Rev, Jesse, Calypso Louie and the great Al Sharpton, Jane Fonda and Huckleberry Hound.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Bobert Still in North Carolina
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:52 PM

Nah, not really, A...

Jus' a regular guy
never got rich
but always got by...

And fir the record, O-Guy.... You are the whiner... All you do is whine, whine and whine more about Amos and me... you are eternally stuck in the whine mode...

Might of fact, I have nominted you to the "Whiner's Hall of Fame", right along with Martin "the Whiner" Gibson, T "the whiner" bus, C-"the whiner" bar and all the rest of you washrag crybabies...

No more freee rides fir you and yer fellow sorry-ass whiners, Old Guy... Time to pay the piper, pal....

But, hey, peace

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:52 PM

It seems to me that those who think public discourse about current events is "negative thinking", don't know very much about the nature of the public discourse that took place in the British colonies in what is now the United States during the period leading up to the United States' war of independence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: Amos
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:46 PM

Old Guy:

I only complain about tyrrany, stupidity and evil-mindedness, and then only when I see others being buffaloed by it. As in your case. I am generally a cheerful, affectionate, productive guy with lots to do and good reasons to do it. I just don't like seeing a gang of thugs mess with the sandbox, that's all.

I have read Peale, long ago, and a number of other such works, like Carnegie's famous winning friends and influencing peole.

You are completely right that, in general, we are much happier pursuing positive goals and targets. I spend almost all my time doing so. The posts I put up here take very little of my day and fulfill a commitment of mine not to remain silence in the face of tyranny. Nothing is worse than not communicating when the time for communicating is upon you.

Hope you have a wonderful and busy New Year, full of more accurate observations than heretofore.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,A
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:40 PM

Bobert, you are the eight wonder of the world.


Or so you think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:39 PM

The relavance is the whiners here like Amos and Bobert think that negative thinking is good and positive thinking is stupid.

This makes them miserable, unhappy, whining, crybabys. They ooze sarcasim, hatred and anarchy and they change nothing. They need to grasp reality and adapt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Advice for anti-war anti-bushites here
From: GUEST,Bobert Still in North Carolina
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:35 PM

Haha, O-Guy,

I know all about that stuff and more...

In my family it was not only NVP but Dale Carniegie... My father taught Dale Carneigie and I took several classess...

No, it's more tha just having a good attitude but having a good heart... Hitler had a good attitude...

Bobert


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