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Where is that singer coming from?

GUEST,Tunesmith 19 Dec 05 - 03:33 PM
kendall 19 Dec 05 - 04:07 PM
Cluin 19 Dec 05 - 04:22 PM
Big Al Whittle 19 Dec 05 - 06:12 PM
GUEST 19 Dec 05 - 07:50 PM
kendall 19 Dec 05 - 07:54 PM
Once Famous 19 Dec 05 - 09:44 PM
frogprince 19 Dec 05 - 09:57 PM
GUEST 19 Dec 05 - 11:17 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 19 Dec 05 - 11:25 PM
bobad 19 Dec 05 - 11:27 PM
Dave Hanson 20 Dec 05 - 01:35 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 20 Dec 05 - 05:35 AM
David C. Carter 20 Dec 05 - 06:16 AM
muppitz 20 Dec 05 - 10:21 AM
Judge Mental 20 Dec 05 - 10:25 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 20 Dec 05 - 01:13 PM
Cluin 20 Dec 05 - 01:30 PM
Cluin 20 Dec 05 - 01:32 PM
frogprince 20 Dec 05 - 06:20 PM
kendall 20 Dec 05 - 07:24 PM
Judge Mental 20 Dec 05 - 08:21 PM
Once Famous 20 Dec 05 - 09:32 PM
GUEST,Bert. 20 Dec 05 - 10:16 PM
Once Famous 20 Dec 05 - 10:36 PM
Seamus Kennedy 21 Dec 05 - 01:57 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 21 Dec 05 - 03:46 AM
kendall 21 Dec 05 - 07:50 AM
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Jim Krause 31 Dec 05 - 12:20 AM
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Bob the Postman 31 Dec 05 - 11:31 AM
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Subject: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 03:33 PM

All artists - in some way or the other - are products of artists who come before them. In some cases, the precendents are pretty clear; for example, Roy Orbison is, surely, "The Platters meet Don Gibson". Any more suggestions?


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 04:07 PM

There is a lot of Gordon Lightfoot in Dave Mallett.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 04:22 PM

And a lot of nicotine in Leonard Cohen.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 06:12 PM

theres an awful lot of coffee in Brazil

I always thought there was a lot of Paul Robeson in Snooks Eaglin and Howlin Wolf


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 07:50 PM

Sorry kendall, mallett is a much more succinct and craftsmanlike lyricist than Lightfoot. Musically, they have an affinity.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 07:54 PM

That was tongue in cheek, and I screwed it up, I meant it the other way around. By the way, Dave Mallett is a very good friend of mine.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:44 PM

It all boils down to Hank Williams. And if you don't like Hank Williams, you can just kiss my ass.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:57 PM

Martin, you mean Hank Williams is to blame for Madonna and Marilyn Manson?


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 11:17 PM

Martin, I certainly hope you don't mean Hank Jr.?

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 11:25 PM

If you list all the singers that come from Frank Sinatra it would take six pages..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 11:27 PM

Louis Armstrong and Captain Beefheart in Tom Waits.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:35 AM

Yeah Jerry but Frank Sinatra did it Paul Anka's way.

eric


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 05:35 AM

Another, related theme, that interests me is the use of exaggerated vocal mannerism. For example, Buddy Holly's " hiccups ". Now, Elvis did a bit of "hiccupping", and I believe that Buddy simply took it from Elvis and drove it in to the ground. Likewise, Shirley Bassey ( not one of my favourite singers)who has - what I would call - a, way over the top, dramatic delivery; think of her singing " I, I who have nothing". Again, I'm pretty sure she got that from the great Dinah Washington. Again, Dinah used that device a very subtle way, whereas Shirley lays it on with a trowel.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: David C. Carter
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:16 AM

Hank Williams singing"My Bucket's Got A Hole In It"I think,leads you straight into Early Presley.No need to explain further.Paul Anka got his way, from the French singer Claude Francoise,who got it from...... It's worse in French than Anka's version.I got a tape of early unreleased Tom Waits.Sounds just like Dylan,and a few other people along the way.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: muppitz
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:21 AM

James Keelahan just sounds like John Gorka.

Or John Gorka just sounds like James Keelahan.

Whichever way you choose to look at it.

muppitz x


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Judge Mental
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:25 AM

Kendall,

I was first introduced to David Mallett around 30 years ago by Noel Stookey. After hearing him the first time, I mentioned to David that he reminded me of Gordon Lightfoot early in his career. David told me then that Lightfoot was probably his biggest musical influence.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:13 PM

Any suggestions on which David Mallett album I should buy? ( I don't know his music, at all)


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:30 PM

With a very few exceptions, every male country singer today comes from Jimmie Rodgers, either through Hank Williams or Lefty Frizzell.

Willie's always ploughed his own field, but in the early days was influenced by his pal, Faron.

Dwight Yoakam comes from Buck Owens, plain & simple.

Lyle Lovett is a one-off.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:32 PM

Tommy Duncan leads to George Strait.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:20 PM

Matt Watroba can tell you the name of the black singer from the '20s
from whom Hank Williams copied his performance of "Lovesick Blues"; when you hear the two back to back, that ain't no coincidence.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 07:24 PM

Tunesmith, depends what you like. I favor his early works because they are more "folkie" than his later works. This man is an outstanding poet whose songs have been recorded by everyone from John Denver to Emmylou Harris, to Kermit the frog, Pete Seeger and even me.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Judge Mental
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 08:21 PM

Matt Watroba can tell you the name of the black singer from the '20s
from whom Hank Williams copied his performance of "Lovesick Blues"; when you hear the two back to back, that ain't no coincidence.


I'm not Matt Watroba, but I can tell you that his name was Emmett Miller and that he wasn't black. He was a white, minstrel show singer who performed in blackface.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 09:32 PM

Seamus, Yes, even Hank, Jr. to some degree.

The whole rock and roll thing came from to a large degree (not entirely) from Hank. Argueably, his "Move it on Over" was the first white guy rock song, pre-dating bill Haley's Rock Around the Clock by about 4 years. Elvis was highly influenced by Hank, Sr.

Jimmie Rogers was the father of just about everything. Vernon Dalhart might have had the first big million selling hit with The Prisoner's Song which, along with Rogers, influenced, Tubb, Snow, Williams, and just about everyone else from that generation.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Bert.
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:16 PM

Yer right Martin. Rock Around the Clock was almost a direct rip off of Move it on Over. And it was a little over 4 years. I think Move it on over was written in 1947.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:36 PM

It all boils down to Hank Williams.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 01:57 AM

Martin, I agree wholeheartedly with Hank Sr., also Hank Locklin, and Hank Thompson.Anybody called Hank, but not Hank Jr.
I can't see any of the old man's ability in him at all.
Maybe I'm getting old, and can't see past the greats of the 40's 50's and 60's.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 03:46 AM

I love Hank Williams BUT he was a great "borrower" of other peoples songs/ideas!


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 07:50 AM

Just like Dylan.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:28 PM

Thanks for the correction, "Judge"; I had just heard the straight dope on that once some time ago; it was Emmett Miller I had in mind.
Just got back from traveling, so hadn't seen your post until now.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Jim Krause
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:20 AM

Alfred E. Newman came from Mort Drucker

Jim


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:44 AM

Martin Gibson came from Stella Harmony


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: number 6
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:53 AM

Hank sr. and Jimmy Rogers I agree MG ... when it comes to Hank jr. I agree Seamus.

sIx


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:31 AM

Leonard Cohen on his first album reminds me very much of Yves Albert, who appears on Columbia's boxed LP set Canadian Folk Songs--arpeggio finger-picking patterns and dreamily sombre singing. Surely they must have known one another in Montreal circa 1960.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 05:46 AM

When I first heard Dwight, I thought of Vernon Oxford.

What about the lady singers? Kitty Wells must have influenced a lot of them.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: van lingle
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 06:49 AM

On a recent American Masters on PBS someone said, maybe Ray Price, that Hank Sr. told him that he got his vocal style by meshing the styles of his two favorite singers, Tubb and Roy Acuff. Something to that effect.
I hear a bit of Billie Holiday in Sinatra's phrasing. Not in his long legato lines but in the way he sometimes clips the end of a phrase.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Auggie
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 10:34 AM

I always heard a lot of Paul McCartney and Harry Chapin in Billy Joel's earlier vocals.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 10:13 AM

Strange so little mention of Elvis and Buddy Holly


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 03:59 PM

Elvis lifted some famous songs from Otis Blackwell's demos.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM

Tori Amos is Kate Bush, Madonna has just become Donna Summer.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: breezy
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 05:34 PM

Theres Gavin Henson in Charlotte Lurch



sorry, very Welsh thing that


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: GUEST,Pelrad
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 06:28 PM

I was listening to Towns Van Zandt last night and thinking that Woody Guthrie had to be a heavy influence there. Also, that Bill Staines had a heavy dose of Van Zandt at some point.


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Subject: RE: Where is that singer coming from?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 07:18 PM

In a way i agree with Martin - i didn't hear Hank until I was in my mid twenties and already doing country music gigs.

Dylan seemed to be totally outlandish, when I first heard him as a teenager - so different from everything else - when I heard Hank - I thought - so that's who Dylan copied originally.

Moe Bandy I always see as being like George Jones.


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