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BS: Coffee

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A PROPER CUP OF COFFEE
I'D RATHER MAKE COFFEE THAN LOVE
MAKIN' COFFEE


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Rapparee 11 Dec 05 - 05:28 PM
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Subject: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 05:09 PM

Coffee - My last vice. I do love a good cup of coffee in the morning - or just about anytime. I'm not as addicted as some of my friends. I can get by on four or five cups per day before I get "coffeed out". I put creamer in my coffee which makes me a heathen to a lot of people. But never sugar - to me that's wimpy.

I prefer to grind my own beans - but I'll drink whatever is available. Lately I've been fond of some coffee beans from Sumatra that I found at our local grocery store. In rarely buy coffee out at any of the chains of coffee houses around.

So how about you ? What's your favorite cup of joe ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 05:28 PM

Some paid for by someone else, of course.

I drink about 3.5 cups per day, at work. I'm currently drinking "Lodge Blend" from the Heritage Coffee Company in Juneau, AK.

My brother roasts and grinds his own. He uses a hot-air popcorn popper for the roasting -- he got it at a yard sale for about US $0.75 and it works excellently well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Guest: Padre
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 06:04 PM

Tanzanian Peaberry or Ethiopian Harar


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 06:08 PM

Although I can't have my coffee this way because I'm allergic to milk, my favorite coffee is Folgers instant, with milk and sugar. I'm bad, I know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 06:28 PM

Colombian made in a cafetiere, black or with a dash of something of the Rum, Amaretto, or Cognac variety.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Padre
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 06:33 PM

Ethiopian Harrar or Tanzanian Peaberry are my favorites - thanks to Jonathan Eberhart for introducing me to them (or them to me)

Padre


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 06:51 PM

I do like Harrar....and various rich blends...but that Peaberry stuff is kinda strange...(come to think of it, so was Jonathan (Had a friend bring me some NICE coffee from Uganda last year.)

But for day to day all day long, I might choose Guatamala Antigua....and I grind my own. I like a bit of chicory in it often, but the stores have quit carrying the raw stuff....I guess I'll have to order some.

I make a 4 cup pot in the morning and again about 5PM, which works out to 2 large mugs...and often make it half & half decaf...that way I can increase the strengh when the need arises. (I usually use good Columbian for the decaf)


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Leadfingers
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:13 PM

'Black as Sin and Sweet as a Womans Kiss'


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: number 6
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:35 PM

President's Choice dark roast from the George Weston chain is my brand of choice for everyday (at home) brew ... nothing tops Tim Horton's though, it certainly beats any of the gourmet brands (Starbucks etc).

My preference is to have it served with 4 shots of milk and 1 teaspoon of sugar.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,A wanker
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:44 PM

I love to grind my own beans too. Good on ya mate!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:53 PM

I buy whole bean (roasted, unlike my brother!) and grind them. Currently I have Kenya AA, Arbuckles (the blend the cowboys drank), and a couple of others. My brother sent me some more AA, Antigua, some Panamanian (coffee -- watch it!), and a couple of others in whole bean that he'd roasted himself.

Oh, yeah. I keep the whole beans in airtight packages in the freezer until I'm ready to grind them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:54 PM

If I drank Folgers, Carol- I too would try to disguise it. *G*

I grind mine fresh too. I'm not really picky about the brand or origin or roast- most of the time I buy Costco's San Francisco blend. Cheaper, and tastes fine to me.

But even whole beans are not equal. A live-in museum volunteer one day came home with a bag of Folger's Whole Bean and suggested that we give it a try.

She made a pot and brought me a cup. I sipped a bit and then let it sit. She came in the room a bit later and said, It really is bad, isn't it!

Eventually I gave the bag to a man who said he would drink anything. Come to think of it - haven't seen him in a long time...

Rap, I have a hot air popcorn popper. How does one roast coffee beans in it? How can you tell when it's done?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: black walnut
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:14 PM

Chocolate raspberry or hazelnut cream. Yum.

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: LilyFestre
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:15 PM

Well, well, well...I can see where I don't fit in!

My favorite cup of coffee comes from the local gas station. I don't like Starbucks coffee at all...if I wanted to drink a burnt tasting bra concoction, then I suppose Starbucks would be my first choice.

I like plain old coffee...not the hazelnut or vanilla or any of that other stuff...just coffee.

And at the gas station you might ask...well, yeah. The coffee is always fresh and hot. On the rare occassion that it isn't, they will make you a brand new pot while you wait and then it's free for the inconvience. I also happen to enjoy the folks who work there..it's friendly, fast and a smile in the morning is always a good thing. Did I mention it's only 35 cents to fill a 16 oz. mug and that every 10th cup is free? Cheap...yep...but it truly is delicious coffee.

My husband also makes a decent pot of coffee....Maxwell House, 1892.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Allan C.
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:17 PM

You're on the right track, Wesley, but French roasted Sumatra, aka, Dark Sumatra, is, in my opinion, the finest there ever could be. I've introduced it to a LOT of people, nearly all of whom loved it. My wife tasted it for the first time shortly after she met me and now feels that I have "spoiled" her in that she will now not enjoy any other nearly so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:18 PM

I remember being in New Orleans and ordering coffee with chickory. I started pouring in milk to get it the way I liked it. I kept pouring - and pouring.... The stuff didn't lighten up at all. I finally decided that it was the black hole of coffees. Tasted pretty darn good though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:20 PM

I also like plain old coffee. Number 6, here the President's Choice is marketed by what is probably our version of the Albertson's owned supermarket, Jewel. You can't beat it fresh brewed.

All of those fru fru boutique and bistro coffees are just so yuppie-ish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:23 PM

I just missed you post Allen. I'll try to track some down and give it a try. Thanks.

I've often wondered who bought those coffee beans that were flavored with things like raspberries, chocolate, pecan, or other nuts. I will confess to enjoying some snickerdoodle coffee once. But that's about as strange as I get.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JennieG
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:29 PM

I like Ethiopian Yirgacheffe which is apparently naturally lower in caffeine that many other beans. I grind my own - there's nothing like the smell of freshly ground coffee, unless it's freshly brewed coffee..........!

And I make my coffee in a plunger, because I'm usually the only one here having coffee. My husband prefers tea.

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:35 PM

OK. Once again the vagaries of language raises its ugly head.

"Plunger", JennieG? Quite sure you don't refer to a toilet plunger which is the only one I'm familiar with. ?? Are you referring to an espresso machine? I know that's got some kind of gizmo in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:38 PM

I'm guessing that Jennie is talking about a coffee press. About six inches in diameter and less than a foot tall. They're great for making just a couple of cups at a time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Allan C.
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:48 PM

Wesley, you almost undoubtedly stopped at the French Market for a beignet and that lovely French Market Coffee. The blend is now available at many grocery stores. I am of the firm belief that it only tastes that good when served at that particular New Orleans venue. My attempts to make it at home have always lacked something. I guess I'll have to make another trip to the Crescent City to get a cup that tastes just right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:59 PM

If you can find what's left of it, Allan C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Maryrrf
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:11 PM

Coffee is one of my favorite things in life! I am perfectly happy with the store brands of whatever grocery store I happen to shop in - Food Lion, Krogers or whatever. I brew it up strong and love to use evaporated milk and either Splenda or Sugar. I drink four or five cups a day. I now limit myself to mornings, although I used to drink coffee all day long and have a cup before I went to bed as well - at that time it was around 10 to 12 cups a day. I am seriously addicted and if I don't have at least 2 or 3 cups by noon I get a splitting headache that just won't go away. This worries my son, who wants me to wean myself off caffiene, but it's my last remaining vice and it isn't like I have to break into people's houses and steal things in order to support the habit...so what's the problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:17 PM

I like coffee every morning on my way to work.

But I like it best about 4:00 in the afternoon on a Saturday after I have just taken a nice nap and Saturday night is ahead of me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: bobad
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:19 PM

Anybody here tried Kopi Luwak coffee, possibly the ultimate in coffee snobbery. Here is a description :

This is the rarest and most definitely extraordinary coffee in the world! This coffee has been selected for us by paradoxurus hermaphroditis. Better known as the Common Palm Civet Cat. It prowls the Sumatran coffee plantations at night, choosing to eat only the finest, ripest cherries. The stones (which eventually form coffee beans) are then collected by cleaning through the droppings.

Kopi Luwak as it is known, is considered to be the finest coffee by native Sumatrans. Kopi Luwak has a rich chocolate like flavour and no aftertaste, which is unique. This flavour is due to the fact the coffee has been partially fermented by passing through the digestive system of the Kopi. Only about 50 kilos of this coffee is collected per year making it the ultimate in uniqueness and rarity!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: frogprince
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:46 PM

Mmmmm, good shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: bobad
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:49 PM

Don't bogart that coffee, frogprince.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:51 PM

JAVA JIVE
by Milton Drake and Ben Oakland

I love coffee, I love tea
I love the Java Jive and it loves me
Coffee and tea and the java and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup (Boy!)

I love java, sweet and hot
Whoops Mr. Moto, I'm a coffee pot
Shoot the pot and I'll pour me a shot
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup

Oh slip me a slug from the wonderful mug
And I'll cut a rug just snug in a jug
A sliced up onion and a raw one
Draw one -
Waiter, waiter, percolator!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 10:00 PM

I used to be proud of how bad my taste in coffee was. I would make a big carafe of it in the coffeemaker and keep reheating it for days. Now I have a little coffeemaker on my desk, and make it one mug at a time, but I have never figured out how to work the grinder in the supermarket, so I buy it in cans. If I can get it, I buy the brand called 1893, for sentimental reasons: it is the only brand, these days, that still has a whole pound in the can, and it's the year my father was born. (Weirdly, the can is the same size as all those cheaty kinds that have 12½ oz or whatever. How do they manage that?)

--- Joe Fineman    joe_f@verizon.net

||: He knew what's what, and that's as high As metaphysic wit can fly. :||


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Metchosin
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 10:07 PM

I'm consider myself a discerning coffee addict. I grind my own, use a Melita filter and dislike most coffeeshop coffees (too weak or has sat too long) and Starbucks (over roasted, odd flavoured crap), but in a pinch will drink any of it......and whine. Best other kind is bush or boiled coffee, over an open fire with a bit of cold water to settle the grounds and drunk, ash, sticks and all, at scalding temperature.

I like Level Ground's Pangoa Light Roast, but if I'm not feeling particularly flush, my ethics go out the window and I get Costco's 2lb bags of Java Club and enhance it a bit with some French Dark Roast.

One really should drink coffee within the first 2 or 3 minutes of being brewed or its crrrrap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 05:45 AM

I make it in a coffee pot - remember those?
You put the ground coffee in the pot, pour on boiling water, stir, let stand for a few minutes, and if the grounds are at the top, just stroke the surface with a spoon and they sink down leaving clear coffee - no need for a strainer, let alone a plunger.
And don't put cognac, etc. in it. It spoils the coffee, and besides the cognac tastes better on its own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 06:32 AM

Even the cheapest coffee can taste pretty durn wonderful when made at a campfire. But then, nearly everything does! First, you bring a pan of water to boil. Remove the pan from the fire and set it aside on a nearby flat stone. Add the coffee, stirring it in so that all of the grounds are immersed. If possible, nudge the pan close enough to the fire to just barely simmer it; but this isn't vital. Watch the pan closely as it simmers because it can suddenly break into a boil and bubble out most of the grounds. After about five minutes, remove the pan from heat. Sprinkle a small amount of cold water over the surface of the coffee. This will make the grounds drop to the bottom like stones. Enjoy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: mooman
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 07:40 AM

I drink zero cups of coffee from Monday to Friday upon medical advisement, tea or yerba mate being my preferred poisons on those days, and one very large cup of coffee each on Saturdays and Sundays. It has to be Guatemalan biologically-grown of one particular provenance. Mr Skipjack K8 of Barrow-on-Humber can vouch for the entheogenic qualities of this particular blend and, indeed, I sometimes smuggle a can or two past UK customs for his personal delectation. I am sure that time must be coming due again.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,*daylia*
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 07:41 AM

I buy big tins of President's Choice "Great Canadian Coffee". Every morning I mix it with a tablespoon or two of hazelnut flavoured special grind, wait impatiently while the house fills with that intoxicating aroma, pour it into a HUGE mug with a teaspoon of sugar and voila!. Ahh, life is sooooo good .... as my dad always said, it's the "nectar of the gods".

I'll never forget getting off the plane at the Paris airport (Paris France, that is). Eight hour flight, chaperoning five dozen teenage exchange students, eyeballs barely open ... man I needed a coffee! Nervoulsy managed to get the message across to the guy working at a coffee counter there (like how hard can it be? "Cafe, s'il vous plait") waited impatiently while he shuffled around - then he handed me this TINY little cup filled with, um, molasses???   I said "Mais non, cafe, s'il vous plait!" ... and he pushed the cup toward me again with a shake of the head "C'est ca!"

So, in France, THIS is coffee??? I paid for it, tried to drink it, gave up. Egads, talk about making hair grow on your chest! That expresso stuff is deadly, just couldn't take it ... and after 10 days in France, I was callin out for Tim Hortons in my sleep! OR even Maxwell House, or Folgers. Good ole Folgers, with a double shot of milk nad sugar ...

ANyways, gotta go. Coffee's ready!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 08:57 AM

I want a cup of coffee from a proper coffee pot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 09:15 AM

Green Mountain "rain forest".
I've tried every brand in the super market, Maxwell House, Folgers, Chock full o' nuts, etc. None of them comes close to Green Mountain.

Old Maine saying, "Instant coffee is neither"


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 09:39 AM

I should have added that if you are going to use a coffee pot, choose one with the spout near the top, like a jug - not those ones they made in about the 1970s with a thin spout coming out lower down. Those spouts just get clogged with coffee grounds, and you need a pipe cleaner to get the grounds to sink to the bottom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: LilyFestre
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 09:45 AM

The folks who make Green Mountain coffee used to live right next door to my husband's grandfather. They are down to earth, nice folks who frequently shared coffee with their neighbors. I do have to say that that stuff isn't good unless it is FRESH from the pot. In Vermont, they sell it everywhere....lots and lots of gas stations have it, but usually it has been sitting and gets very bitter.

And Martin, I'm like you in that I like to drink my coffee on my way to work or class. I also like to have it on road trips...something nice and warm to sip on. I have a travel mug that goes with me everywhere and even fits in a side pocket of my backpack for school. If you are an on the go coffee drinker like me, check out the Tredeau coffee mugs....they shut and seal...you can tip them upside down, drop it on the sidewalk, knock it over on your desk and it won't spill a drop. They are stainless steel on the inside and keep my coffee HOT for about 3 hours and then very warm for another 3....not bad!!!   Barnes and Noble/Starbucks sells a mug like this too. They run about $20.00 but are worth every single cent as far as I'm concerned. I've had mine now for over 2 years.

I don't drink it in the morning at home unless it is snowy out and I can snuggle up in a blanket with a good book. I also drink it on Saturday afternoons so I have a little perk in me for playing.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JennyO
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 09:55 AM

I like it best about 4:00 in the afternoon on a Saturday after I have just taken a nice nap and Saturday night is ahead of me.

Martin, that sounds like a perfect Saturday!

I like Melitta German Premium. Once the pack is opened, I keep it in the fridge to keep it fresh. Unfortunately, I'm the only one in the house who likes real coffee - John prefers instant (ugh!). I usually make it in an insulated plunger, something like this,, so that I can have a cup or two later. I'm one of those lucky people who can drink coffee at night and still get a good night's sleep. It's one of life's little pleasures!

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: mack/misophist
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 09:57 AM

Mine comes from a wholesaler/retailer. I get 5 pounds of brasns at a time and work my way through their list. So far I've tried about 30 varieties. Except for French Roast, they're all good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: jets
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 10:03 AM

My introduction to coffee was at sea during the war.It was a big 10lb can with the insciption on the label; Coffee for the men of the sea.
I will say this much for it: It made men of us boys real fast.
Every thing since has tasted just fine.
Being a watch stander all of my working life, both at sea and ashore ,I was always a heavy drinker of coffe , but I now limit myself to 2 morning cups a day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: RangerSteve
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 10:21 AM

There's a Southern Comfort coffee, all the flavor without the alcohol that's really good. As for regular brands that you can buy in any store, Chock Full O' Nuts New York Blend is my favorite, followed by Hills Bros.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: leftydee
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:05 AM

Coffee (any brand) boiled over an open fire, with the grounds loose in the water, then splashed with a cup of cold water to settle the grounds, is the best. It'll curl your hair and keep you awake for a week, but what a flavor!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:30 AM

For preference, a nice, light East African coffee, brewed quite mildly, and black. I've had some rather nice Kenyans, but also Ethiopian and Tanzanian ones as well

There are times when a strong, european blend is good, but for the ultimate 'It feels better now I've finished that' coffee, it has to be a strange concoction I ran into in Slovenia.
Very, very, strong expresso, with a big enough squeeze of lemon juice to bring it down to a drinakble temperature. Intersting, and the nearest available thing to where we were staying to actual coffee, being only 7 minutes walk away....

Quickly sorted out the relative importance of caffine/breakfast for people, that did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:06 PM

I like espresso. All of Anchorage and a good deal of Alaska is espresso dependent. There are drive-in espresso joints which are just a block or two from each other on the way to work, one that specializes in cute young baristas in tight jeans, and the coffee isn't bad either.

There are several local roasters. The popular local chain is called Kaladi and you can find them on the web under that name. I recommend mail ordering your coffeenut a pound of 'Trieste' blend, which is not expensive and damnfine. (And I am not on a retainer).

There's also a cat lover's coffee den which used to roast their own but not now, you can post your cat's photo on their bulletin board.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:11 PM

Would that be the civet cats?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:19 PM

There are folks who treat coffee very much like they do beer....anything that Budweiser makes will suit them fine! I guess I can't argue..De gustibus non disputandum>...but coffee which is instant, re-heated, or made with cheap, poorly roasted beans is, to me, not worth the effort. I'll take a No-Doz if I need caffeine that bad!

Preferences for the VERY strong, bitter coffee like *daylia* encountered in Paris are learned, and, I suppose can become a habit once you get used to it, but I simply cannot see deciding that what YOU like will therefore be what is available to guests, customers and friends! France has some VERY peculiar ideas about local customs!

Unlike...oh, maybe 79.453% ...I do NOT care for milk/cream in coffee, but I might learn if I had to drink BAD coffee every day! (I will sometimes mix a 'little' flavored coffee...chocolate, Hazlenut, vanilla in, but that's not a regular thing).


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:59 PM

Thank you, Canada, for sending us a few Tim Hortons down here below the border; we have one about a mile from home, now, and we're in there pretty regularly.
I never once thought of drinking the stuff iced until I caught my wife doin' that to it; I thought she was crazy; she said it was from her family's New England background. Now it's available that way all over, and I'm addicted to Tim's iced capacino (sp?) in hot weather.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Steve Benbows protege
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 03:08 PM

I love proper arabic coffee. Dont really amke it that often anymore. I am a coffee adict. Buy beans roasted, grind them myself and have a bout 9 cups a day. I make arabic coffee by the jug load and it doesn't do much to me these days. I don't drink alcohol and this is one of my few vices left.

When I was in Canada Tim Hortons was the best coffee shop around. lovely selection of cakes etc and wonderful coffee. At the time the exchange rate fron u.k pounds to canadian dollars was good so it was cheap to!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 03:16 PM

Among "enlightened" consumers Tim Horton's has the reputation of contributing to obesity, diabetes, atherosclerosis and other problems associated with junk food that is filled with fat and sugar. They are also known to treat their employees very poorly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Charmion
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 03:44 PM

I'm another ex-military person who learned to drink coffee while living the half-life of a watchkeeper. The first thing I noticed after the truly unique flavour of Canadian Forces' messhall coffee was its stimulant effect on the lower intestine.

Today I benefit from my husband's coffee snobbishness, and start my day with three cups of Il Cremoso, an espresso blend we buy from a local roastery, brewed in the Rancilio espresso machine that crouches expensively on the kitchen counter.

There is little to top the sheer luxury of accepting a cup of top-notch espresso brought sofa-side as one lounges with the Globe & Mail and the cat, and H-Hour at the office still in the hazy future ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 03:53 PM

My favorite coffee is 100% Kona, but I can't afford it so I drink Folgers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 05:48 PM

My parents both drank iced coffee in the summer. But they were both from Minnisota - maybe it's a Yankee thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: number 6
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 07:03 PM

"Among "enlightened" consumers Tim Horton's has the reputation of contributing to obesity, diabetes, atherosclerosis and other problems associated with junk food that is filled with fat and sugar."

Geeesh ... I just go there for my coffee, not for a donut. In all seriousness I agree with you on their food .. same with all fast food joints.

"They are also known to treat their employees very poorly." ... where else is one to go for their java Bobad?? All fast food chains treat their employees like crap ... that's why I always tip (least I can do).

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Metchosin
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 08:30 PM

frogprince, Ice Caps are more akin to milkshakes than coffee, that being said, I'm addicted to them too, but only if they're Tim Horton's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 08:35 PM

Inerestin', Wesley; I grew up in Minnesota, on a farm 15 miles east of Austin; never heard of iced coffee back then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 08:39 PM

Jets, your post brought back memories.
The ship I was in had the world's worst coffee. It was made fresh at supper, and left standing all night. By the time we got off watch about 4 am it was an evil shade of gray/green.

The strongest coffee I ever had was in Jamaica. As they say, "One cup of that and you are awake the rest of your life."


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 10:24 PM

We used to have iced coffee when I was growing up in Rhode Island. That was my first experience with coffee. After discovering the wonders of iced coffee, coffee flavored ice cream became my favorite for most of the rest of my growing up years. I think that's why I like Folgers instant the best. When you dissolve it in a very small amount of hot water, and then add enough milk to fill your (tall) glass (and add sugar), it's the best iced coffee there is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 10:31 PM

A friend of mine mentioned that he takes expresso crystals {??} and adds them to melted coffee ice cream and then refreezes it. All I know is that it tasted sinful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:02 PM

Used to love it. Gave it up after a long struggle. I now only drink it on very rare occasions...to cure a headache. (like once in 3 or 4 months, maybe) It works for that...if you only drink it on those few occasions. Go back to a regular habit, and it can actually GIVE you headaches, specially when you're trying to quit.

It dehydrates the body (as does black tea also to some extent), and it damages the digestive system.

But, yeah, when you've got a taste for it, it tastes and smells lovely. And who's perfect?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:44 PM

**pedant alert**

Wesley...it is eSpresso, not eXpresso..this 'can' be important in some places..*grin*

**end pedant alert**


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:04 AM

I was given iced coffee in Tobago in the 1960s, but unfortunately they didn't seem to be able to make it without sugar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: LilyFestre
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:37 AM

Seems to me that when I lived in Rhode Island, they had coffee milk as well.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: kendall
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:45 AM

putting sugar in coffee is like putting diet pepsi in Glen Morangie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 10:25 AM

I used to make coffee in the politically correct "French press." (thing with a plunger) After the second one of those shattered, dumping the hot contents wherever it happened to fall, I went back to a percolator, a nice stainless steel one from the local gourmet kitchen shop.

Whatever coffee you buy and however you make it, it is important to stop a process called steam distillation. In steam distillation, the tiny steam bubbles in the hot fluid continue to remove chemicals from the coffee particles in the brew. After a few minutes, these chemicals start becoming bitter. Our method is to perk it for four minutes, pour the coffee into an insulated carafe, drop an ice cube in, and put the lid on.

My mother learned this on a radio program which got the info from the coffee manufacturer's association (whatever its real name is). They were right.

The DH and I make 5 cups every day and split it. One weekends we put in some chicory coffee from the Cafe Monde in New Orleans. I feel that this coffee goes rancid easily, so now we keep the can in the freezer door. It's easy to get one scoopful out.

xx


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:07 PM

My favorite coffee is Jamaica Blue Mountain -- NOT a blend, but the real thing. At at least US $40/lb. I can't afford it, though.

I have some real Kona at home, and that's good too.

Right now I'd drinking "Headless Chicken Blend." That's made up of the dabs left in the bags and mixed together.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:21 PM

In Patrick O'Brian's naval series there's a scene where the Captain and the Doctor complain to the steward that the coffee tastes odd. Killock the steward replies that is because rats broke into the coffee store and ate up all the beans therefore he made coffee with the turds. The two friends remark on this while drinking every drop. I think that accurately captures coffee dedication.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:24 PM

I inherited my grandparents' pyrex coffee maker, a sealed lower globe and an open upper chamber. You boil the water below and the water is pressed through the coffee into the upper section. The filter unit is ground glass as well. Looks like lab equipment. Never use it but it's lovely to look at.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: wordfella
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:25 PM

My wife and I make at least three pots a day. We have become very fond of Eight O'Clock's "Balanced Blend," which we call Half-Caff. We can't find it in our new location (Peoria Area,) nor does it seem to be available online.

Blends are fine with us, but not flavors. Ugh.

I love Kona and Blue Mountain--but my wife doesn't.

I hate to say it, but Mickey's D's stuff is very good, Just don't spill it in your lap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: bobad
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:36 PM

robo

I think the filter part of your grandparent's coffee maker would most likely be made of sintered glass not ground glass, don't mean to get too technical but it is an important distinction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: billybob
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:36 PM

Just love Greek coffee ,but only when in the Greek islands,warning! do not drink to the bottem of the cup...mud!! Also you need to have a glass of Metaxa brandy in other hand,
There is a wonderful coffee warehouse in the village of Porlock, Somerset, UK. The best coffee in Britain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:25 PM

Bobad:

I certainly didn't mean glass grounds: It's a globular affair with a rod through it for orientation (all one piece of glass mind you). The globular part has a kind of 'matte finish' for want of a better word. If the proper term for that is 'sintered' then I've learned something today and I'll try not to blame you overmuch!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 10:36 PM

Coffee
by Wallace McRae


The feller who invented coffee
Rates pretty high in my book.
You could prob'ly run the Tongue for a week
On the gallons that I've partook.

Sawyers, Butternut or Hills Brothers
Arbuckle or MJB,
Them old brands, and a whole batch of others,
Has been sipped and savored by me.

From a bucket done in the camp fire,
Or a porcelain cup in town,
It's all good, but some of it's better --
A-steamin' and velvety brown.

Cream or sugar? No thanks. Black's for me,
And strong. Yep, and hotter than Hell.
Them contented chemists' Dixie-cup cream
Don't really suit me too well.

Some day when I turn hoofey-side up,
Joinin' Hell's (or St. Peter's wing'd) ranks,
I'll work the herd for coffee's inventor,
To give him a Howdy,...and Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JennieG
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:57 AM

Coffee press???? just goes to show that different words have different meanings doesn't it.

I still call it a plunger. You plunge the dooverlacky down into the coffee and water don't you?

Cheers
JennieG.....who has just enjoyed a coffee and is looking forward to another later this evening!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 08:58 AM

The "glass coffee maker" mentioned by a couple of people in its time was called a "vacuum pot." The lower pot was the "serving pot." You filled it with (preferably cold) water. The upper "globe" had a straight stem that extended down to within about a quarter inch of the bottom of the lower pot, and a glass rod sat in the stem.

Generally there was a fairly massive rubber(ish) gasket surrounding the stem that "sealed" the upper affair to the lower one.

The style existed before "modern materials," and some very old ones might have had a "ground glass" fitting between the stem of the upper bowl and the glass rod. Few of these survive.

After about 1940 or so, both of the bowls were made of "pyrex," which is reasonably heat resistant. The glass rod was usually a "soft glass" that could be molded to fit where it seated in the stem of the upper pot, so no "ground glass joint" was required, although in "transition era" pots they may have simulated the ground glass seal area, for appearance sake.

The rod kept the coffee grounds, placed in the upper bowl, from falling down into the lower pot.

The pot worked well on gas stoves, but occasionally an electric burner would crack one, so people with electric stoves (rare then) used a "heat diffuser" under the pot - which often was just the lid cut out of the top of a can of coffee, although you could buy a "heat spreader" for about a dime at the local five-and-dime.

When you heated the water in the bottom pot, the build up of pressure forced the water up into the top globe. If you heated too fast, occasionally the glass rod would "lift" and drop a few grounds back down into the bottom. Not recommended.

When all of the water was pushed up into the top, steam would come up through the stem. When the upper globe "bubbled" you turned off the burner and let the whole thing sit.

As the bottom pot cooled, the liquid (now coffee) was "sucked" back into the lower pot - hence the "vacuum pot" name. The "fit" between the upper globe stem and the glass rod was the only "filter" required.

The theory of this method was that when the water reached precisely the local boiling point it was pushed through the stem and up into the grounds in the upper globe, so that it was virtually impossible to "overheat" the coffee while it was brewing in the upper globe.

This was the standard coffee brewer in restaurants and in many homes in the central US from mid 1940s through the late 1950s, and makes a very consistent brew. If you have such a pot with a usable gasket, no cracks, and the glass rod isn't seriously chiped or cracked, there is no real reason not to use it if you like, although if it has "sentimental value" perhaps just for "special occasions."

Later on in the era when this style of brewing was commonly used, some restaurants went to an aluminum pot based on the same theory of operation, but there was something "unsatisfying" about not being able to see the color of the brew, so often the glass bottoms came back and only the aluminum "top can" was used - out of sight of the drinkers.

For research purposes, the popular brand name here was the "Cory" (or was it Corey?) coffee maker.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 09:09 AM

Well done JiK, again. Confusion caused by ignorance of the real object again, you see...

When you ASS-U-ME....


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 10:27 AM

JinK

You are right again as usual, it is the fittings that are made of ground glass, I was thrown off by robo's description of the FILTER UNIT being ground glass.

There is an excellent piece on the history and evolution of vacuum coffee makers at http://baharris.org/coffee/History.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 10:58 AM

bobad -

Most of the brewers at your history site are the "ancient and primitive" kind, but of course the site's intent is to show all the variations.

So far as I recall, none of the later (Pyrex) domestic use pots had any ground glass joints or fittings. The vacuum pot didn't get popular for home use until the big rubber gasket between the pots came into use and was reliable enough for home use. The common ones I recall looked most like the 1938 Silex shown at the site. Silex did market in my area, but the essentially identical Cory was far more common for home use.

Brewers of this kind are available at local hardware stores now, and they do still work, although the "automatic" electric things have pretty much taken over the consumer market. Commercial places all pretty much have the Bunn automatics: punch a button and something brown comes out - marginally drinkable unless you've deadened the buds with a recent Starbucks - which makes anything else taste good.

When I say 7 cups a day, I mean seven fourteen ounce mugs. But that's just an average.

Good coffee brewers are easily available, unless your standards run to the exotic; but a decent coffee mug is unobtainable in my area. My favorite is more than 55 years old, and irreplaceable.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 11:11 AM

John - What makes it your favorite coffee mug ? Size ? Shape ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:15 PM

Wesley S

In the local market, (and apparently in the mass market as well) all the potters have decided that anything that holds liquid has to have a "turned out rim." That's not a cup, or a mug, that's a pitcher (or a dribble glass).

There is also a tendency to find "objects posing as cups" with steeply tapered insides, or with "balloon shaped" innards. Either is difficult to sip from when the cup is just "on the side" while you're working.

Cups with sufficient capacity for sipping at the desk need to be - for my purposes - somewhat larger than the "novelty cups with smart sayings" that are the fall-back, and are about the only thing available with straight sides and no flare.

1. A coffee cup/mug should have a straight cylindrical inside with as little taper as possible.

2. A reasonable (2.75 inches - 6.5 cm) inside diameter is about right.

3. About 4.5 inches - 11.5 cm is a proper inside depth.

4. The lip is for sipping, not for pouring, and should be as thin as is structually sound, and a simple radius with no flare - in or out. A lip radius of about 1/16 inch - 0.16 cm gives a nice 1/8 inch thick lip.

6. A thin, straight lip cools a bit quicker and helps to avoid scorching your lip with the first few sips.

7. The outside of the cup/mug ideally should expand gracefully as you move down the cup. A thicker wall as you sip your way down not only adds to the stability of how the mug sits, but helps to keep the coffee a bit warmer for a little longer. An outside diameter of about 3 inches (7.6 cm) is about right at or just above the bottom.

8. The clay should be close to "stoneware" since the higher silica content retains the heat better than simple "red clays" (it seems to me). Real porcelain seems to conduct heat too rapidly and the coffee gets cold.

9. A smooth glaze, especially inside, that will withstand a few decades of "wash only when the inside coating crumbles" is mandatory.

10. A heavy bottom to resist tipping, and to hold the heat in the last few sips. Close to 1/2 inch thick would do, and also helps keep the last drops warm. A bottom rim that is absolutely flat lends stability, so the center probably needs to be slightly recessed.

11. A convenient and easily grasped handle is mandatory. My favorite has a 3 inch (vertical) opening inside the handle, about 3/4 inch gap between the outside of the cup and inside of the handle, a 3/8 inch thick x 5/8 inch wide handle cross section. The outside of the handle should be nearly flat and as close to vertical as convenient, with due considertion to smooth and functional curves and radii.

12. The handle should not go past about 3/4 inch from the bottom, so that those whose fingers don't all fit inside can have a place to prop the first one outside. It makes a much more stable grip. For a relatively heavy mug, most people will hold the handle a bit below the centerline of the cup, and push with the outside finger to tip comfortably. (Beer mug style doesn't usually work well this way, but it's close perhaps if the handles and mug body are smooth.)

Other than that, I'm not too fussy.

The one I'm using now is the next to last survivor of a set of 6 purchased at a pottery shop "somewhere between Wichita KS and San Diego CA" ca 1943 or 1944 by an ancestor. I have not been able to identify a maker, and have not found anything close since I got "serious" about searching sometime around 1960.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:08 PM

Have you ever though about having one made ? Maybe if you got specific about the measurements.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:38 PM

I've attempted to talk to a couple of people who make stuff for sale at the festivals around here, but when I say they can't put a dribble lip on it they're not interested. They seem to think that "nonfunctional" is a critical part of their "art."

I'd probably have better luck going down to one of the local hobby shops and making my own - which of course is on my list of "things to do - - someday."

I have no objection if someone wants to use the dimensions and description above to try to make a decent cup. The world is in great need. If anyone happens to be particularly interested, I could take a couple of snapshots to email. PM an email addy. The sales pitch is up above.

Most of those that I know to be "in the business" are located where shipping would likely cost as much as a cup, so I've resisted long distance personal orders; and the detail requirements leave a lot of room for "close but no cigar" results.

Lin in Kansas suggested that I should relate that she's bought "more than a dozen" cups/mugs that she thought "looked like mine," and I've tried them all (actually closer to two dozen). Haven't found one that fills the need. Both of my kids have asked that I make a will and leave them "the cup," so it's not just my own solitary opinion. And I've offered both of them the "rejects" that Lin (and others) have brought home, and they've declined them all, for the same various reasons I don't use any of them.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 05:08 PM

Try a mix of 1 part Kenya AA with 2 parts Celebes Kalossi. Grind them together [as in start from whole beans] for a few seconds and use a Chemex. Then, after pouring into your pre-heated mug, sit down, put your feet up and enjoy the best coffee this world can offer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 06:46 PM

I chanced upon a mug years ago that works for me.

It seems similar to JiK's mug.

It holds about 2 standard cups.

The label fell off, but the base has a thin circle of cork.

It stands higher than my palm width - about 6 or so inches high.

The bas is 5-6 inches wide, the top is about 2-1/2 - 3 inches wide.

It tapers from the base up to about 4 inches, then rises cylindrically.

The handle allows all 4 of my fingers to fit fully, and is mounted in such a way with the tapering section and straight section, that it is on a slight angle, with about an inch under the bottom of it.

It is a plastic 'travel mug', with foam insulation inside the inner and outer walls. The inside is completely cylindrical. The top lip is awkward, as it has a clip on lid with a large hole to sip thru, and a small air hole on the opposite side. But when used with the lid on, it is easy to sip from, and the flow is restricted by the hole size.

It stays warm enough to drink for 3-4 hours.

I never realised before consciously just how comfortable it is, and why I drag it with me in the car (which is what it was sold for), then bring it inside for computing use. If going away for a few days to stay at a friends place, I often take it inside and then have tea in it while watching TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 08:57 PM

you mean something like this shape,


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in an insulating materiel?

http://www.liquidplanet.com/Planetary-Design-Wide-Base-Mug-p-564.html?

But to find one of the old fashioned ones, with a really wide base ( ~3 times wider at base than top), it would seem to be a case of find a freinly potter, or as they were for shipboard use, tin or pewter was used, so a friendly metalworker...


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:04 PM

Many of the "large capacity" cups/mugs have a taper on the inside. Some of the worst actually have a "globe shaped" innard. The problem with this is that you have to pay attention and tilt your head back to a different angle when the amount of coffee in the cup changes.

A good mug should be capable of totally autonomic and unconscious use.

You reach vaguely in the general direction and it "leaps into" your grasp.

You draw it close while peering over it at what you're working on, and tilt the cup until the nectar touches your lips.

You satisfy your need, and return the cup whence it came.

If you have to adjust your grip, tilt your head, or in the worst cases actually lean back in your seat to get to the last dregs, it ain't a righteous cup. The only good shape for the inside is a straight untapered cylinder.

The "superwide base" things are intended mainly for use in vehicles not equipped with "cup holders" and are really useful only if you need to set them on the dashboard (or on the seat beside you). The wide base resists tipping. You can also get them with a "sandbag base" that will conform to almost any surface. For safety, a cupholder and a more conventionally shaped cup is really better.

Since a good "sipping rim" is about 3 inches in diameter, I'd have to clear a large bit of my workspace to use one with a 3x (9 inch diameter) base. No thanks.

Unfortunately, cups with lids (to prevent splashing in a moving vehicle) all are (so far as I've seen) plastic, at least on the inside. I may have an unusual sensitivity, but I've never been able to enjoy my nectar from any plastic container. I detect an objectionable taint even from most paper cups - especially including those used by Starbucks.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: MMario
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:23 PM

I've yet to get a good cup of coffee at a starbucks - I don't know if that is because the help at the locations I have tried aren't trained properly or they've gotten sloppy - or what; but I've had instant better then what I've been served.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:41 PM

Way back some many years ago, a coffee processor burnt a very large batch of beans. Badly burnt

"Somebody" got a really cheap price on them, since the processor couldn't sell them through normal channels.

"Somebody" got the inspirations that "If we give it a fancy name and sell it for an exorbitantly high price, them yuppies in Seattle will be proud to buy it, 'specially if we funk it up with lots of yuppie flavors and spices and odd combinations."

"And we might even sell overpriced donuts."

Starbucks was born.

"Steam brewed" coffee was popular in gold rush towns in the 1860s at least, and several "back east" fancy restaurants now (or last time I was there) feature the original machines. Elaborate, beautiful, fascinating devices. Completely misused in most cases, since current regs won't allow real steam pressure (something about killing off the customers) so, like Starbucks, they now use "pretend steam" that condenses to hot(???) water when it's turned loose on the grounds. Not the original stuff, but then the original wasn't something you'd want a lot of maybe.

Most of the brews used make a pretense of "stronger than usual" by actually using beans "more burnt than usual," since it convinces the gullible that it's "something different" and therefor worth more money. This is akin to the "michelob" with the "import taste," specially brewed to taste like beer that "came over from far away" and is brewed to taste like STALE Lager . But people pay heaps more for it.

But then, maybe I'm a bit of a cynic. I'm old enough to be entitled.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:59 PM

John, I've long thought that once upon a time a bunch of guys 'n' gals Texas and New Mexico were sittin' around a barbecue, talkin' about the dudes back East. Someone said, "Hell, you kin sell 'em anything!" and bet somebody else that he could do it. Anyway, the betee chose mesquite, figgerin' that even Easterns couldn't be THAT dumb....

So I don't doubt your Starbucks scenario at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: MMario
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:15 PM

regarding iced coffee - it seems to have been a New England thing primarily up until the 70's; leastwise it wasn't until the mid 70's that anyone outside of New England didn't look funny at me if I ordered iced coffee.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Charmion
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:30 PM

My tee-total grandparents drank iced coffee in summer.

Their fellow residents in Almonte, Ontario, assumed they developed this odd habit in England, where they lived for 20 years, but I think it more likely they picked it up in Brockville, Ontario, where they shared a summer cottage with Granddad's brothers before the First World War.

Those who don't drink beer need to take fairly drastic measures in the heat of an Ontario summer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: frogprince
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:33 PM

What's wrong with you guys, putting Starbucks down; don't you know "You get what you pay for", and that means something expensive is always better than something inexpensive!
             ...damn unamerican commie pinkos...


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: MMario
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:37 PM

expensive is always better than something inexpensive - it's taken me 30 years to get my b-i-l to admit this isn't *always* so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: M.Ted
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 03:12 PM

I like the coffee I like, made the way I like it, served in a vessel that I like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 04:28 PM

Rapaire - One lady entrepreneur was selling tumbleweeds to the easterners a few months ago. Doing a thriving business, and got a great writeup in one of the newsrags.

**

Iced coffee is fine, although I don't do it often. The problem is that few commercial places move enough of it to prepare for it, so they pour hot coffee over ice. The coffee needs to be brewed and cooled immediately while fresh, at least to room temperature but preferably to refrigerator temp. Add the ice only when ready to serve. People who like it, who don't "doctor up" their hot coffee, do seem to prefer a shot of milk and often a dab of sweetener. My problem with iced coffee is that you seem to drink it instead of sipping, and it's hard to stay with it all day like you can with hot brew.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: M.Ted
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 05:33 PM

Thai and Vietnamese restaurants always serve great iced coffee--Burmese restaurants too--


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 05:54 PM

Close enough to the shape

It was found in a auto shop I think - it was US in origin.

I have no problem with the taste - it has 5 years of accumulated insulating surface inside... :-0


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 06:55 PM

well, John, I read your specs for coffee mugs with interest, as I also have difficulty finding just the perfect one. I went and studied the 3-4 that I use most, and I note that they DO conform to your general design, though all have minor deviations. I note that they all are 'nearly' vertical inside, and 3 or the 4 have relatively thin rims, though two are a bit taller than you prefer. There is a bit of a flared rim to two of them, but it is mostly decorative, and not enough to be a problem.
   Interestingly, the one which comes closest to your specs was bought from a potter at the Kansas State Fair in Hutchinson about 1973! I would use it more, but it is one of the taller ones and holds more coffee than I 'usually' drink...that is, I usually brew 4 'cups', which makes 2 medium 'mugs', and my most used mug is just the right capacity.
   If I were to improve on it, I would make a thinner, more comfortable curve to the handle, as I like to slip 3 fingers thru it, with one outside/below....and I'd like that 4th finger to help support the mug from the outside (kind of a double-curve). I bought IT at a 2nd hand store, though it was originally also a stoneware craft item. I have a couple of smaller cups that are 'ok', but I use them only when I am making smaller amounts.

I guess the handle shape is my biggest complaint....I want to go to a potter and sit there while they make a handle precisely to fit my grip!........

(Oh, I will use plastic...the insulated type...when driving, and have built myself custom holders in my van for almost any shape of beverage container.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 07:12 PM

Mugs. My primary criteria is "does it leak?"

I've drunk coffee from mugs, cups, what appeared to be thimbles, canteen cups, styrofoam, paper, wood and god knows what else.

I have mugs. They work. They don't leak. They're reasonably comfortable to use. What more could I ask?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: maire-aine
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 07:43 PM

I rarely drink coffee at work-- only if there is a FRESH pot of decaf. But once in a while (winter only) I will make a small pot at home. My favorite is Decaffeinated Amaretto, prepared by Schuil Coffee Company of Grand Rapids MI, and distributed by R. Hirt at Detroit's Eastern Market. I love this stuff. They make 20 or more different varieties (all in both regular and decaf). I don't know if they have a website or not, but it's worth looking for.

Then I splash a little REAL amaretto liqueur, and I'm set for the evening. In fact, since we got 6 inches of snow today, and I've cleared my driveway, I have a pot brewing right now.

Cheer,
Maryanne


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 08:32 PM

The time to worry is when you ask how big a mug, at home, and she picks up the pint-and-a-quarterish stoneware tankard...


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:49 AM

Talk about leaking coffee cups: many years ago, we had a canteen at work, and used to get coffee in those styrofoam cups. I had several cups that caused a clear liquid to appear on my desk. Yep, the holes were just he right size to filter out all the coloured stuff!

I'm not making this up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 17 Dec 05 - 09:06 AM

Billybob
Does your description of the coffee from Porlock apply to all their blends, or are some even better than others?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 12:05 AM

During the early 50's I had the dubious honor of making coffee for the crew on the U.S.S. Helena CA 75. The coffee was made in a large cauldron about three feet in diameter and three feet from top to bottom. I'd fill the thing about 3/4 full of boiling water and put in gunny sack full of coffee. Don't really know how many pounds (they never told me but I'd guess around 10 to 15 pounds). Then I'd take a small paddle (like a tiny canoe paddle) and paddle the thing for several minutes. The early chow line would get "tea coff." around midway through the meal the coffee wasn't all that bad, by the end of the meal it would curl your hair. The process was repeated for each meal and around sometimes around 2200 for the guys on night watch.
Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 08:50 AM

So Cap't Bob, I've always been told coffee tastes better if you get it in bulk....


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 11:17 AM

Well foolestroupe that's the way I learned to make coffee and over the years I've tended to stick with the method. My wife thinks I go through way to much coffee ~ I make more than we need. Holding to the words of my Mother "waste not, want not", I hate to throw things away and as a result end up drinking more than I should.

Recently I've been playing at a little coffee house in Atlanta Michigan. Wrote this little blues type song for the place:

I went to Atlanta the other day,
Up in Northern Michigan not Atlanta G. A.
Back in the pine woods is a neat little spot,
The scenery is great and the coffees hot.

CHORUS:
at the north woods ~~~ that's where it's at,
at the north woods ~~~ I'm sure about that,
at the north woods, you can sit and chew,
say hi to Patty and the North Woods Crew

If you need some coffee and a scone or two,
and like to look at paintings while you sip and chew,
You need to escape from your day's routine
and spend a little time with the old coffee bean.
CHORUS
If you like your music in the acoustic style,
come on in, sit down for a while,
and listen to some tunes in the home spun way,
I'm sure you'll want to come back another day.
CHORUS

It's a neat little spot a great place to drink coffee.
Check it out....
http://northwoodscoffeehouse.com/
Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 11:40 AM

Coffee! Colombian - my friends used to bring me back the real thing when I lived in NYC. Black. No sugar.

I have 2 cups per day. I am allowed no more after recovering from a 40 - 50 cup per day addiction. It took six months to get rid of the dull caffeine headache. 24 hours a day even in my dreams, my head throbbed.

But when others order dessert I much prefer an expresso. My main vice, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: billybob
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 07:05 PM

guest Topsie
well, Billy and I were wondering round Porlock on a weekend away and we had been told that there was a coffee warehouse in the village, no idea where, so followed our noses, in the back streets found the origins of the fantastic aroma!!We bought a number of different bags of coffee .. all have been wonderful, looking forward to going back and trying some more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 09:21 PM

Lin's granddaddy had a hotel down in the Texas panhandle a long time ago, and we gained custody of his old hotel coffee pot a while back. It was about 2 feet (plus a bit) tall and about 19 inches in diameter. Two taps on the side. It had a cloth basket that hung at the top that I'd guess probably got about 2 or 3 pounds of coffee at a shot.

You heated one of those on the wood stove and carried it out to the counter, or - if you weren't in a hurry or just couldn't lift 20 gallons of hot water - you could light the little wicks (2 of 'em) in the kerosine burner it sat on and wait - and wait.

When the water got hot enough, you'd tap off a quart or so and pour it back in at the top, through the basket, and let it run down. If it wasn't strong enough, you'd just pour another couple of quarts through it.

The hotel, two story wood frame, came from a town a ways down the road that died when the railroad went the other way, so grandpa bought it and moved it (hoss power rollin' on logs) to the County Seat. The new location was almost a ghost town a few years ago, with nothin' but the Courthouse and a bitty little Post Office left, when a couple of young furiners moved in and and set up an art shop, put in a dance platform and started doin' Friday night dances. The hotel is now their frame shop, and they hustled up enough local public support and some grant money to build a "Regional Museum" down by the highway, so the pot's now on loan (probably permanent) to the Wolf Creek Museum.

Stop by and take a look at Lion's pot if you happen to be goin' past Lipscomb Texas (if you can find it). The pot's not extremely rare, but that little kerosine heater is the only one I've seen since I was a real little bitty kid that's in working order - and it still had good wicks in it when we got it. (Doesn't take a lot to get you excited when you've spent a day or two in the Panhandle.)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 11:48 PM

Sounds similar to the old Russian Samovars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 06:54 AM

billybob
While I'm sure you will want to go back to Porlock any way, you don't need to run out of coffee in the mean time - I've discovered they do mail order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 May 07 - 10:43 AM

I'm on my third cup this morning - how about you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 30 May 07 - 11:02 AM

my 2nd mug....which = 4 'cups'


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 May 07 - 11:07 AM

Thanks, I think I will. It just finished brewing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Becca72
Date: 30 May 07 - 06:39 PM

Had to give up daily consumption...really messes with my GERD. So I went from 3-4 cups daily to 1-2 cups per week. I sure miss it, but it's not worth the heartburn!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 May 07 - 08:13 PM

I have had GREAT success with the Folger's Smooth Roast. The taste is a bit pale till you get used to it, but my IBS no longer goes into high gear at the thought of coffee, IF the rest of my diet is well-handled (and as long as I don't stop eating in favor of reverting to 32 oz. of coffee with 32 oz. of cream and sugar). I bought a small container until I became a believer. It's not as yummy as the espresso, but it's at least coffee. Once you get used to it that is.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: MMario
Date: 31 May 07 - 09:29 AM

Occasionally red blood cells mix into my caffiene-stream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 31 May 07 - 11:14 AM

"Once you get used to it that is."

Oh, mercy....

I suppose one can get 'used to' diet Pepsi and Coors Lite, too...but..


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: MMario
Date: 31 May 07 - 11:27 AM

stop eating in favor of reverting to 32 oz. of coffee with 32 oz. of cream and sugar

black is fine - though occasionally when I'm tired, I'll go to cream; or if I'm *REALLY* tired - cream and sugar.

But ecstacy is 1/2 expresso, half coffee ice cream.

in a pinch, B&J's coffeecoffeebuzzbuzzbuzz melted and poured in a glass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: GUEST,Jay
Date: 31 May 07 - 12:30 PM

Someone said that they think putting sugar in coffee is wimpy.
It depends on how large the cup of coffee is, and how much sugar you
put in. At a coffee house, a large cup with only one sugar packet -
the taste of sugar really isn't noticeable; because of the ratio of
coffee ml to sugar ml.
I can agree with you when a small sized cup with three or four packets of sugar can be considered "wimpy"; because there's so much
sugar in such a small cup, it kills the taste and aroma of coffee.

For me, it depends on how hyper that I need to get.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 May 07 - 05:44 PM

Oh, mercy....

I suppose one can get 'used to' diet Pepsi and Coors Lite, too... but...


Yeah. Getting older is a bitch! I'll take what I can take.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 May 07 - 06:19 PM

oooooooooooooooooooooo..


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 May 07 - 09:09 PM

Someone gave me a coffee press (also known as a plunger, above) but I will have to buy a bur type coffee grinder if I want to use it. The paperwork insists that the coffee grounds have to be coarse and that a regular coffee grinder, with a blade type of grinder, won't do.

Problem is that my regular grinder cost $14; the bur type is $75! Not kidding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 May 07 - 09:51 PM

Try it with the coffee you have. We haven't died yet of inappropriate grind, and ya know, coffee is coffee. Oh yes, some folks like to worship it and fuss over it, but it's just coffee. We camped with our press and drank, happily, anything anyone brought to put ito it.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 08:23 AM

Time your blade grinder...a slightly shorter grinding time will give you something quite close to the coarser grind. (I did it accidently a couple of times.)[but once you stop, it's very tricky to put the cover back on]


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 11:16 AM

once you stop, it's very tricky to put the cover back on

Bill, Bill, Bill...... just dump it out into something through a little sieve (from the 99 cent store). What doesn't pass through the sive goes back into the grinder to re-grind. Or to make two separate grinds, with the very fine going through and the coarser left in the sieve.

When life gets too busy I just use the grinder at the store. "Horrors! Never grind a whole pound, it will dry out!" Nothing says you have to buy a whole pound at once!

Yeah, I do all that for Hardi's espresso and then drink the pale storebought stuff that comes ground. Iced, it's not bad coffee though.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: JennieG
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 12:20 AM

Ebbie, try what you have before you spend huge dollars on something else! Our grinder is a Bodum blade grinder which fortuitously was on special when our former grinder died, and I am very happy with it. I have a small insulated stainless steel plunger pot for drinking alone and a larger glass pot for when I have coffee company.

It's coffee o'clock now, I am off to make a pot.

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:48 PM

refreshing!


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 08:49 PM

wow... I remember those old posts! Nice to re-read my own remarks after 5 years. I still think mostly the same...but *sigh*.. have resorted to cheaper coffee at times. (Trader Joe's "Joe" brand, which is still decent, and I still grind it one day at a time.) I know where to buy the more expensive stuff, but $9-$14 a lb. scares me off.

BTW... I have had very marginal luck with French Market coffee with chicory. I suspect they have reduced the chicory.... (I used to see "Captain's Coffee", which had a higher chicory content, but that was many years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 11:49 PM

Thanks for refreshing this thread Charley ~ I thought the words to my coffee song about the Northwoods Coffee house were lost and gone forever.    Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee
From: ClaireBear
Date: 08 Aug 11 - 12:18 PM

I love a good, strong cup of Sumatra Mandheling, roasted Italian style. However, drinking brewed coffee without milk is something I can no longer do...I never recovered from the sensitivity I developed during pregnancy 12 years ago. And I don't keep milk at home. So no coffee for me...

...until recently when I discovered that coffee made Turkish style doesn't make me queasy! So I got myself a proper copper coffeepot (i.e., an ibric) and a supply of cardamom-scented Turkish coffee, which I mix half and half with Italian espresso for extra richness. I sweeten my Turkish coffee with raw sugar (which goes in before brewing), and augment it with a spoonful of rosewater before pouring. Just one BIG (16 oz.) cup a day is perfect.


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