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GUEST,Geoduck 10 Nov 05 - 09:24 PM
Peace 10 Nov 05 - 09:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:24 PM

Read my first post.

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:24 PM

And for another view:

Look here.

Click in the right-hand column. Another page will come up. Look to the left side and click there.

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:21 PM

Still awaitin' a non cut-n'post answer to my question, duck...

Or aren't you capable of makin' such a dangerous step into the real world here in Mudville???


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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:19 PM

Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
Post-Invasion Cache Could Have Been For Use in Weapons

By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, August 14, 2005; Page A18

BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.

Monday's early morning raid found 11 precursor agents, "some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lt. Col. Steven A. Boylan, said in Baghdad.

Materials found in a warehouse in Mosul could yield an agent capable of "lingering hazards" for those exposed to it, according to a U.S. military spokesman. He said the lab was relatively new, dating from some time after the invasion of Iraq in 2003. (Photos By Department Of Defense)

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Combined, the chemicals would yield an agent capable of "lingering hazards" for those exposed to it, Boylan said. The likely targets would have been "coalition and Iraqi security forces, and Iraqi civilians," partly because the chemicals would be difficult to keep from spreading over a wide area, he said.

Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.

Military officials did not immediately identify either the precursors or the agent they could have produced. "We don't want to speculate on any possibilities until our analysis is complete," Col. Henry Franke, a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer, was quoted as saying in a military statement.

Investigators still were trying to determine who had assembled the alleged lab and whether the expertise came from foreign insurgents or former members of Hussein's security apparatus, the military said.

"They're looking into it," Boylan said. "They've got to go through it -- there's a lot of stuff there." He added that there was no indication that U.S. forces would be ordered to carry chemical warfare gear, such as gas masks and chemical suits, as they did during the invasion and the months immediately afterward.

U.S. military photos of the alleged lab showed a bare concrete-walled room scattered with stacks of plastic containers, coiled tubing, hoses and a stand holding a large metal device that looked like a distillery. Black rubber boots lay among the gear.

The suspected chemical weapons lab was the biggest found so far in Iraq, Boylan said. A lab discovered last year in the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah contained a how-to book on chemical weapons and an unspecified amount of chemicals.

Chemical weapons are divided into the categories of "persistent" agents, which wreak damage for hours, such as blistering agents or the oily VX nerve agent, and "nonpersistent" ones, which dissipate quickly, such as chlorine gas or sarin nerve gas.

Iraqi forces under Hussein used chemical agents both on enemy forces in the 1980s war with Iran and on Iraqi Kurdish villagers in 1988. Traces of a variety of killing agents -- mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX -- were detected by investigators after the 1988 attack.

No chemical weapons are known to have been used so far in Iraq's insurgency. Al Qaeda announced after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States that it was looking into acquiring biological, radiological and chemical weapons. The next year, CNN obtained and aired al Qaeda videotapes showing the killings of three dogs with what were believed to be nerve agents.

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:14 PM

Who Says There Were No WMDs in IRAQ?
by Doug Edelman
Nov 7, 2005

There is no truth to the disinfomation propogated by the mainstream media, which postulates there were no WMDs, and that Saddam's stockpiles were all destroyed after Gulf War One.
While it is true that no assembled or launch-ready nuclear or chemical/biological weapons have been found, the fact is that many component parts of these weapons have been found – and they even got some mention in the press!

For example:

The U.S. has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month.

"This operation was a major achievement," said U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement. He also said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists".

Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed.

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:10 PM

Islamic terrorists will likely sneak across the Mexican border. There have been no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. Osama bin Laden is gravely ill. These are but a few of the claims that Richard Miniter attacks in his new book, "Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror." The author, an investigative journalist and writer of two New York Times bestsellers, discussed these and other issues during a speech given at the Heritage Foundation.

For those who favor greater border security with Mexico, the threat of terrorism is a popular argument. Conservative websites such as WorldNetDaily have written extensively about this subject. A 2004 book, "Illegals," attested to the danger of Islamic extremists entering through the southern border. Richard Miniter argues that there are many valid reasons to secure the vast frontier between Mexico and America, but terrorism isn't one of them. He asserts, "There has never been a known Al-Qaeda operative who has been arrested on or near the Mexican border." According to Mr. Miniter, Canada is the country to be concerned about.

The author summed up his reasoning with three main points: First, unlike Mexico, Canada has a large Muslim population. This makes recruitment easier and allows potential terrorists to conceal their activities. Miniter described this aspect by observing, "If you're a terrorist you want to blend in. You want to be the shark fin hidden among the swimmers." His second argument revolves around the instructions of recovered Al-Qaeda manuals. They direct cell members to get on welfare. This strategy, Miniter attests, makes it easy to devote all energies towards terrorism. Canada has a very generous welfare program, Mexico does not. Regarding his third and final claim, the author commented, "I'm not going to argue that the Mexican police are the world's finest. However, once they have you in custody, you tend to stay there for a while." This, Miniter asserts, is not true with Canada. He references the case of Ahmed Rassan, the so-called "Millennium bomber." In the year 2000 Rassan attempted to blow up Los Angeles Airport on New Years Day. His plan failed, but it was later learned that the Canadians had previously arrested the bomber several times. They never held Rassan for more then a day.

"There is no evidence," Mr. Miniter intoned, "of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. No evidence. None. Zero. The only problem is that's not true." He then cited a 2004 Department of Energy operation that recovered 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium in Iraq. Additionally there is the case of a roadside bomb found in Iraq that contained illegal chemicals, including the fatal nerve agent, Sarin. The author qualifies his comments by proclaiming, "I'm not saying vast stockpiles have been found…I'm not saying there's a grand central warehouse. That hasn't been found." However, insisting that no weapons have been found, according to Mr. Miniter, is simply a factual error.

Media reports regarding Osama bin Laden often depict him as ailing or report that he is on dialysis. Richard Miniter describes this as "provably false." He starts by mentioning that bin Laden has repeatedly denied being in poor health. There is also the testimony of Osama's doctor who was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 and interrogated by the CIA. This physician rejects such claims as well. Mr. Miniter expands on his thesis by claiming all "bin Laden is sick" stories grew out of one 1998 article from a small Pakistani newspaper. All other subsequent stories emerge from this starting point. Richard Miniter believes that such claims grew out of a need by Pakistan to pacify America. The author informs, "Here's where a little history helps. On August 7, 1998, in East Africa, two U.S embassies explode within nine minutes of each other. [This is] one of the deadliest attacks on U.S diplomats in the history of our country." Miniter claims that this resulted in the Clinton administration pressuring Pakistan to turn over bin Laden. So, a story that proclaims Osama is in poor health would be in the mutual interests of both Pakistan and a President that, Miniter alleges, doesn't really want to deal with the terrorism problem. "It allows the Clinton administration to have an easy victory without having to do anything," he announced. The Pakistanis, including President Musharraf, have since backed off the claims of an ailing bin Laden. Miniter described the entire situation, as "a classic case of disinformation."

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: leftydee
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:07 PM

The "liberal media" has, until the last few weeks, given the Bush Thugs the benefit of every doubt. If there were a shred of truth to it, it would be gospel by now. Just because some wacko says a grapefruit is a duck doesn't make it quack.

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:07 PM

From the book:

In a secret operation on June 23, 2004, U.S. forces seized 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium—the kind used to make fuel for atomic bombs—in a nuclear facility in Iraq, according to BBC News. The BBC has been consistently critical of Bush and the Iraq war. U.S. Department of Energy experts also removed 1,000 radioactive materials in "powdered form, which is easily dispersed," said Bryan Wilkes, an Energy Department spokesman. The material would have been ideal for a radioactive dirty bomb. Then energy secretary Spencer Abraham hailed the operation as "a major achievement." Polish general Marek Dukaczewski, Poland's military intelligence chief, revealed that troops in the Polish-patrolled sector of Iraq had received tips from Iraqis that chemical weapons were sold to terrorists on the black market. The weapons had been buried to avoid detection, the general told the BBC. Polish military officials bought seventeen chemical-weapons warheads from Iraqis for $5,000 each to keep them from Iraq's so-called insurgents. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine," the general said. "All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads." Tests confirmed that some of the warheads contained cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin. These chemical weapons were supposed to have been completely destroyed during the 1991–1998 UN inspector regime. Clearly, some WMD survived.
U.S. soldiers stormed into a warehouse in Mosul, Iraq, on August 8, 2005, and were surprised to find 1,500 gallons of chemical agents. It was the largest chemical weapons lab found in Iraq. The intelligence community remains divided over the origin of those chemical weapons (either from inside Iraq or outside) and whether they were made during Saddam's regime or after.

When a roadside bomb exploded near a U.S. convoy on May 17, 2004, it was found to contain the nerve agent sarin. Army Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told reporters that an "improvised explosive" was rigged to a 155 mm artillery shell that contained sarin. The shell was a "binary chemical projectile," in which the two ingredients that produce
sarin are separated by a propeller blade that spins while the shell is in flight, mixing the deadly gas to full potency. Since the chemical weapons shell was used as a bomb, and not fired from the barrel of an artillery piece, the internal rotor did not spin and the deadly agent was not widely dispersed. As a result, Kimmitt explained, only traces of sarin were produced and released. The soldiers were briefly hospitalized and decontaminated. Again, all such chemical weapons warheads were supposed to be destroyed in 1991—yet Saddam's WMD still threaten the lives of American troops to this day.

The Iraq Survey Group, led by David Kay and charged with finding WMD after the war, discovered a projectile loaded with mustard gas attached to a roadside bomb in May 2004. Fortunately, the mustard gas was "stored improperly" and was "ineffective." The mustard-gas shell is believed to be part of the eighty tons of such gas still unaccounted for.

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:06 PM

And further more, if you took 'umm all together they would represent about 1/1,000,000th of the WMD that the US brought with 'um to occyupy Iraq...

So exactly, G-duck, what is yer point here???


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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:03 PM

And, if true, why hasn't anyone told our glorious leader?

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Subject: RE: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:00 PM

Nice blurb for a book. So, who says anyone should believe this guy?

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Subject: BS: WMDs WERE found in Iraq!
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 08:56 PM

Dont tell the Anti Bushites here but WMDs were found in Iraq. Right now it is one of the left leaning Main Stream media's best kept secrets.

WMDs Found in Iraq Nov 9, 2005

Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.

Consider these shocking facts:

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.

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