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GUEST,Janice way up North 26 Oct 05 - 01:01 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,saulgoldie 26 Oct 05 - 01:22 PM
GUEST,Chief Chaos 26 Oct 05 - 01:33 PM
Wesley S 26 Oct 05 - 01:54 PM
gnu 26 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM
pdq 26 Oct 05 - 02:36 PM
Bill D 26 Oct 05 - 02:37 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 02:39 PM
Les in Chorlton 26 Oct 05 - 02:40 PM
gnu 26 Oct 05 - 02:41 PM
TheBigPinkLad 26 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM
Morticia 26 Oct 05 - 03:38 PM
MMario 26 Oct 05 - 03:41 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Oct 05 - 03:48 PM
Rapparee 26 Oct 05 - 03:53 PM
Wesley S 26 Oct 05 - 04:05 PM
gnu 26 Oct 05 - 04:09 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM
Janice in NJ 26 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM
TheBigPinkLad 26 Oct 05 - 06:31 PM
bobad 26 Oct 05 - 07:34 PM
Janice in NJ 26 Oct 05 - 07:54 PM
Bobert 26 Oct 05 - 08:10 PM
Bill D 26 Oct 05 - 08:15 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 08:28 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 08:48 PM
Janice in NJ 26 Oct 05 - 08:51 PM
John O'L 26 Oct 05 - 08:53 PM
bobad 26 Oct 05 - 09:03 PM
Rapparee 26 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM
John Hardly 26 Oct 05 - 09:20 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM
John O'L 26 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM
John Hardly 26 Oct 05 - 09:28 PM
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Peace 26 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 09:37 PM
pdq 26 Oct 05 - 10:08 PM
Rapparee 26 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM
Peace 26 Oct 05 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,Ingrid Frances Stark 27 Oct 05 - 01:31 AM
Paul Burke 27 Oct 05 - 04:12 AM
GUEST,philologist 27 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM
artbrooks 27 Oct 05 - 09:48 AM
Elmer Fudd 27 Oct 05 - 03:31 PM
Ebbie 27 Oct 05 - 05:01 PM
TheBigPinkLad 27 Oct 05 - 05:38 PM
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Janice in NJ 27 Oct 05 - 06:33 PM
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Subject: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,Janice way up North
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:01 PM

Hello Catfolk! I've been away for a while, but I'm headed back home. Seems to me like the climate's been getting just a tad too cold, and I don't mean the temperature, whether you measure it in Celsius, Fahrenheit, Kelvins, of what-have-you. I mean the social-sexual climate. Ready for a new word boys and girls? It's called BIPHOBIA and it ain't at all pretty! Just ask Holly Near, or Joan Baez, or -- well, go ahead fill in the name. Talking about the love that dare not speak it's name! Anyone else got similar experiences?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:04 PM

Boys and girls, huh?

Doesn't bother me because I really don't give a shit what people do. It's their business, not mine. Have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:22 PM

Being bi-sexual doubles your chances of getting a date. (I think Woodie Allen said that.)


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:33 PM

THe real fear is Triphobia.
Someone who'll try anything sexual at least once!


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:54 PM

I was unaware that Holly Near and Joan Baez were having any problems. Fill me in please.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM

How can you try anything more than once?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: pdq
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:36 PM

You can't. That would be double jeopardy.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:37 PM

" It's called BIPHOBIA and it ain't at all pretty!"

I guess it depends on whether you are discrete about your proclivities or tattoo it on your forehead....


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:39 PM

Back to the issue. Who really gives a rat's ass?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:40 PM

I am really surprised that this thread has got so far without someone mentioning Morris Dancing and incest


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:41 PM

"...it ain't all pretty!" Of course not. Girls are pretty. Boys are not.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM

Talking about the love that dare not speak it's name!

bodhranophelia?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM

Incest? Keep it in the family.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Morticia
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 03:38 PM

How can you try anything more than once?

I keep trying to play the mandolin, gnu.....many more times than once


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: MMario
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 03:41 PM

Peace - that would be beastiality


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 03:48 PM

Bikephobia?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 03:53 PM

Biphobia? Fear of the number two?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:05 PM

Banjoral sex ? Licking a 5 string ?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:09 PM

"bodhranophelia"? I beat all my Hrans the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM

"Peace - that would be beastiality"

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

Have to admit, I do have biphobia. I slipped outta third gear on a hill when I was younger. Any of you guys or gals ever hit that bar on bicycles? Hard? Talk about yer crushed-nuts for the sundaes. Youch!!


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM

Biphobia is the antipathy bisexuals get from the lesbian and gay communities. It ranges from mild ridicule to severe derision and complete exclusion. (The antipathy bisexuals get from the straight community is just plain old fashioned homophobia.) Holly Near and Joan Baez were on the receiving end of biphobia, particularly from lesbians, when it became know that each was bi. Holly had previously been thought of as lesbian and Joan as straight, so each was viewed somewhat differently. Joan was perceived as a coward who just couldn't face her homosexuality, while Holly was seen as a traitor to her sisters. In both instances, however, the sentiment was the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:31 PM

(The antipathy bisexuals get from the straight community is just plain old fashioned homophobia.)

That's indefensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: bobad
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 07:34 PM

I don't really see why anyone would want to have their sexual orientation made public and why anyone's sexual orientation would be of interest to someone who didn't have a sexual interest in that person.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 07:54 PM

Straight people make their sexual orientation public all the time. It's considered the norm, and if they don't there is always the suspicion that they are queer. Lesbians and gay man simply want to be afforded the right and opportunity to display their own sexual orientation without the society holding it against them. What makes me angry is that many people in the lesbian and gay communities are ready and willing to treat bisexuals the same way they, lesbians and gays, have been treated by straights.

As for not seeing why "anyone's sexual orientation would be of interest to someone who didn't have a sexual interest in that person," why was there so much general public interest in J. Edgar Hoover's sexual orientation? Or Liberace's? Or Martina Navratalova's? Or Ellen DeGeneres's? Could it be that there are a lot more gay men and lesbians out there than anyone will acknowledge? Maybe there are just a lot more bisexuals.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:10 PM

Can't we all just get along???....


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:15 PM

get a long what?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:28 PM

"As for not seeing why "anyone's sexual orientation would be of interest to someone who didn't have a sexual interest in that person," why was there so much general public interest in J. Edgar Hoover's sexual orientation? Or Liberace's? Or Martina Navratalova's? Or Ellen DeGeneres's? Could it be that there are a lot more gay men and lesbians out there than anyone will acknowledge? Maybe there are just a lot more bisexuals."

I never gave a shit about that, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:48 PM

A bisexual in Scotland is a guy with a ram under one arm and a ewe under the other.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:51 PM

For those who tire of NOMAD, the third biennial America's Conference on Bisexuality will take place right up I-91 at the Sheraton Hotel in East Hartford, CT, that same weekend, November 4-6. For info click here!


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: John O'L
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:53 PM

I'm buy-sexual.

I have to pay for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: bobad
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:03 PM

Peace, would'nt that make him a biovineophile and there must be some law against that, no?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM

Ain't no such word as "biphobia." It's a construct with little or no relationaship to the Greek. Besides, the "phobia" suffix would mean "fear of". "Hatred of", which I suspect is what is wanted here, would have the prefix "miso", as in "misogyny".

The word for hatred of bisexuals would be something like "misoermafroditism" for the condition and "misoermafrodit" for a person who hated bisexuals.

Personally though, I agree with Peace. If you're a decent human being I don't care what you do in your spare time; if you're a shit as a human being, I'll think you're a shit no matter what you do alone or with others.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: John Hardly
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:20 PM

What Rapaire said.

It's always been my understanding that the current use of the word "homophobia" has changed from it's original implication -- that the reason some "straights" were intolerant of gays was because, so the arguement went (and was just accepted as true), in reality those "straights" were actually afraid (hence "phobia") of their own homosexual proclivities.

It now means "hatred or intolerance" of gays -- no relationship whatsoever to "phobia". But even trying to point out the error was too politically incorrect, thus "phobia" is now a suffix with a new politcal meaning -- like "-gate" tagged to the end of every scandal.

...not that there's anything wrong with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM

"homophobia"

So it's not an irrational fear of homogenized milk? The things I learn here just boggle the ol' mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: John O'L
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM

Do I detect a trace of gatephobia here?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: John Hardly
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:28 PM

LOL!

....the beginnings of misophobia.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: John Hardly
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM

hmm. ...and just as I hit the "submit" button, I realized that misophobia would imply the fear of hatred, when what I meant to imply was the hatred of fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM

That then gives new meaning to the term "tailgate".


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM

List of phobias with brief outlines/definitions.

Please note the dearth of phobias starting with the letter Q.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 09:37 PM

Hey, if Bill and Monica had got it on in the back of a pickup truck, would it have been called "Tailgate"?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: pdq
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 10:08 PM

Yes, Peace (love and happiness) that was a good one. Best chuckle of the day. Even beared repeating. Really.

BTW, my favorite phobia is one I don't have: tridecaphobia.

Means irrational fear of tripple cheese burgers.

At least it does to Commander Cody fans.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM

Actually, "homophobia" means "fear of sameness."

I'm kind of pantophobic, myself -- and also tyrannophobic.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 10:16 PM

Commander Cody. Bio here.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,Ingrid Frances Stark
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 01:31 AM

I once had a boyfriend who, when I mentioned I considered myself bi, exclaimed, " So that means that not only do I have to worry about losing you to some other guy, but I could lose you to a woman, too!?!"
He ultimately lost me to myself. Much better company than he was.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:12 AM

In the words of the old song,

You'd be sweet
Upon the seat
Of a bisexual made for two...

Why J Edgar Hoover? Because he used his power to pry into OTHER people's sexuality. He made it the issue.

If you go to the Antarctic, will you suffer from bipolar disorder?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,philologist
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM

Fear of twos?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:48 AM

Misophobia? But I like miso soup!

Can't really understand why anyone should care about who does what to whom, and what assortment of body parts they choose to do it with...as long as, of course, those parts are attached to one body or the other(s).


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 03:31 PM

As long as you don't do it in the streets and scare the horses...only now it would be SUVs instead of horses bearing down on a loving couple and it would be no contest as to what scares who first!

Semantics aside, it seems to me that prejudices in the identified gay community against bisexuals are largely based on intellectual notions of politically correct sexuality that some outspoken individuals have decided are right for everybody. Prejudices in the identified straight world are largely based on religious biases, historical precedent and plain old ignorance.

Either way, both are intellectual/emotional constructs that deny the variety and richness of human experience by attempting to corral peoples' desires into carefully defined categories and attach moral judgements to them. Nothing new about that. It's crying a shame that humanity's bad habit has been ressurected once again by some whose near brethren in the bedroom have suffered terribly from its oppression for so many centuries in the past.

Elmer


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:01 PM

The only time that I can remember that I was dismayed about someone's sexual orientation was in connection with Flip Wilson, an American comedian who was very popular in the 70s. I never met the man, of course, but I was very taken by him and one day it occurred to me to wonder whether he might be gay - and I thought, What a waste!

#1: I realize that if he were gay it wouldn't be a waste in that sense. Only to me. *G*
#2: I have NO idea if he was gay.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:38 PM

Well, he was always laughing, Ebbie ...


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM

hahaha That he was.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:33 PM

At last someone, "Elmer Fudd" to be exact, is taking this issue seriously. I raised the question of biphobia -- which is what it is called within the LGBT communities -- on Mudcat because so many current folk musicians identify themselves as lesbians (e.g. Ani DiFranco, Pat Humphreys, Sonia Rutstein, Janis Ian, Melissa Ethridge, Cathy Fink). Yet it is from the lesbian community, but not necessarily from the folkies, that bisexual women get the most biphobic responses. They are either branded cowards like Joan Baez or traitors like Holly Near.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: bobad
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:40 PM

That may be because they are trying to politicize sexuality.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:57 PM

It wasn't lesbians, gays, bis, or trannies who politicized sexuality. It was straights, especial straight men, who have used to coercive power of the state to quash those forms of sexulaity they didn't approve of, or are scared to death of! I have an idea. Let's imprison people, or lock them up in mental hospitals, or physically mutilate them for engaging in voluntary penile-vaginal intercourse. Then when they organize and raise their voices in protesr, let's accuse them of politicizing sexuality. Hee-hee.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: bobad
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:03 PM

I don't see much evidence of those forms of sexuality being quashed, in the western world anyway, these days, on the contrary I see them being publicly celebrated.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 08:59 PM

Well, Janice...did you really think that gay people, of any particular disposition, are devoid of any prejudice by virtue of the fact that they aren't straight? It seems to me that a lesbian, whose sexual orientation is toward other women and doesn't relate to men in that manner, might tend to think of another woman who relates to both men and women as "different." For some people, the leap from differentness to prejudice is a very short one.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:09 PM

Well said, Art.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:31 PM

"Yet it is from the lesbian community, but not necessarily from the folkies, that bisexual women get the most biphobic responses.

"It was straights, especial straight men, who have used to coercive power of the state to quash those forms of sexulaity they didn't approve of, or are scared to death of! " Janice in NJ

One of the sad ironies of life seems to be that we tend to become like those who have oppressed or damaged us or otherwise impressed us. I don't know if it's because of imprinting or just a means of defense we take in with our milk.

It seems to me that what you are describing is some humans' actions or reactions. Education is about the only thing that has worked consistently against bigotted thought, slow though it be.

Surely in a smaller, fairly discrete populatoin like lesbians and gays, education should bear quicker fruit?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:39 PM

I'm with bodad in being unable to understand why anyone would be particularly interested in someone's sexual preferences unless they are interested in that person sexually themselves, and want to know whether it might be reciprocated.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:19 PM

Well, Kevin, all I can say is that I had no expectation that Flip Wilson would reciprocate my interest. :)

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM

I met Flip years back and spent an afternoon with him. Nice guy, very witty and very humble.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 03:26 PM

from bobad:

I don't see much evidence of those forms of sexuality being quashed, in the western world anyway, these days,

In the last major national round of elections in the US, ELEVEN STATES passed ammendments to state constitutions denying same sex couples the CIVIL right to marry.

This is in addition to about the same number of states who had already decided that "only the right people have rights" by ammendments to state constitutions or in state laws.

The ammendment to the Kansas State Constitution that was passed was almost a verbatim transcription of the Nazi 1936 "Declaration on Racial Purity" which denied Jews the right to marry Germans, except that it goes the additional step of denying homosexuals and lesbians the right to marry anyone.

How quashed do you want them to be?

John


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 03:41 PM

Janice Way up North, if you are not already familiar with her books and articles, Susie Bright is a very outspoken opponent of the PC mafia in the gay and lesbian communities and the women's liberation movement who are down on women, straight and gay, who also like to make love with or even, God forbid, be friends with men. She sometimes has a ready-shoot-aim way of shooting off her mouth, but more often her observations are rapier-sharp, funny, irreverent, and right on the money. Check out www.susiebright.com
Also, her books are widely available.

Elmer


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: bobad
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 03:54 PM

John in Kansas

I was referring to Janice's statement about people being locked up, put in mental hospitals or being mutilated for the expression of their sexuality.

Obviously as far as recogniton of their legal rights there is still a long way to go, more so in some jurisdictions than in others.

Coincidentally, I just this week filled out paperwork to start collecting my pension and was pleased to see that the definition of spouse, in the context of benificiary, included someone of either the same or opposite sex.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:22 PM

bobad -

They're still debating here whether the new state constitution would make it illegal for a company to pay a pension based on defining a person of the same sex as a spouse to anyone living in the state. It almost certainly would make it illegal for any company headquartered here to do so.

It appears that some hope it will prohibit both.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: bobad
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:47 PM

The U.S. appears to be falling behind many progressive western countries in regards to social legislation. I think there is a correlation with this and the ascendancy of the religious right in political power. Hopefully one day those in power in the U.S. will adopt the principal of separation of church and state.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:25 PM

So, Janice in NJ, are you the one who prefers rubber duckies? Should there be a classification of misorubberduckiphile? Getaway attendees, help me out here. I am interested in the correctness of language.
And, Big Pink Lad, he (Flip Wilson) was always making ME laugh. What does that make me? A Flipophile? Should I be talking to a shrink about this stuff???
Thank you, Rapaire, for clearing stuff up.
Peace, I keep telling the Bartender there ought to be a registrar, degrees conferred, maybe tuition charged. This place is toooooo educational.
How does anyone have time to be nasty, exclusionary, frightened, hateful, when there's soooooooooooo much fun and laughter and love to be engaged in????????????????         Tw


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 02:21 AM

bobad -

The original drafters of the US Constitution neglected to incorporate separation of church and state in the original document. This was a primary reason why only a few of the states ratified it immediately.

At least six states, when they ultimately did ratify the original Constitution, made their ratification conditional on addition of an absolute ban on the establishment of any "official religion" - or they'd take their toys and go back home.

The FIRST AMENDMENT to the US Constitution states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It is the stated goal of a certain significant segment of the "born agains" to eventually repeal the the religion clause of the First Amendment. Until then, they will settle for "we're not restricting your right to worship any god you want to - as long as it's ours." Note that they do NOT consider not worshiping any god an option.

A lesser but vocal segment appear to have advocated in formal internal policy documents that have circulated publicly, albeit sparsely, that the 19th Amendment should be repealed:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Acquaintance with Kansans makes this latter claim entirely credible, although illiterate Kansans seem not to be unique in the country.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

Of course I am familiar with the writings of Susie Bright, one of the great contemporary erotic authors of either sex and of any orientation. Her works, whether essays, anthologies, or fiction, have been both celebrated and condemned within the LGBT communities, sometimes by the same people who at one time praised Susie for her very frank and playful lesbo-eroticism and who later denounced her as a pornographer. If nothing else, Susie gave us the quintessential eroto-feminist battle cry: Clits up!

When I made reference to people being imprisoned, locked up in mental hospitals, and physically mutilated for expressing their sexuality, I wasn't limiting myself to the USA, the UK, and Canada, the homelands of most Mudcatters. But please don't deceive yourself into thinking that all is sweetness and light in those countries. The state laws of Kansas provide just one example.

And no, I am not the rubber duckie lady.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 05:41 PM

Have you taken these issues up with the gay, lesbien, bi, tri, etc., communities?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:03 PM

Q: Have you taken these issues up with the gay, lesbien, bi, tri, etc., communities?

A: Yes, but I don't have to. They are widely discussed issues, and there are organizations such as Transcending Boundaries that raise them all the time.

Comment: The T in LGBT does not stand for tri. It stands for transgender. I haven't heard of a trisexual, although I would love to hear more. Three more terms that you may or may not alread know are intersex, pansexual, and polyamorous. I'll let you search Google if you are currently unfamiliar with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

Mostly, Janice, I don't give a shit about them. No offense.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,Slim Eric
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM

There are two ways of looking at this. Obviously! But don't get in a state about it peeple


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:24 PM

"Three more terms that you may or may not alread know are intersex, pansexual, and polyamorous."

PS I am familiar with the terms and their meanings. Mostly, I don't give a shit about them.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 07:42 PM

That last one would involve parrots, I imagine?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:31 PM

Peace - If you REALLY didn't give a shit about these issues you wouldn't be posting in this thread. Repeatedly.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Peace
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 10:13 AM

"If you REALLY didn't give a shit about these issues you wouldn't be posting in this thread."

Wrong, SD. I read to learn. When I learn something from the thread I will be somewhat more enlightened. So far that ain't happened. AND, you have yet to become the one who tells me where I may or may not post. Have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: open mike
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 10:29 AM

so who is (or was) Joan Baez's girl friend?


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 02:11 PM

Who cares??? Why does it matter to anyone except Joan and(if) the woman involved???                        Tw


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 02:38 PM

It's not exactly a secret which someone has unfairly revealed to the world: you'll find a detailed account in "And a Voice to Sing With" by Joan Baez.


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Subject: RE: BS: biphobia
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 05:35 PM

Fear of the number 2?
Fear of things in pairs?
Fear of twins?
Things you say to the dentist?

uhhh... pass!


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