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Need to be heard?

Lancashire Lad 19 Oct 05 - 12:15 PM
katlaughing 19 Oct 05 - 12:22 PM
Lancashire Lad 19 Oct 05 - 12:30 PM
jeffp 19 Oct 05 - 12:43 PM
Lancashire Lad 19 Oct 05 - 01:02 PM
frogprince 19 Oct 05 - 03:14 PM
number 6 19 Oct 05 - 03:39 PM
Stephen L. Rich 19 Oct 05 - 03:57 PM
mack/misophist 19 Oct 05 - 05:15 PM
Lancashire Lad 19 Oct 05 - 07:13 PM
skarpi 19 Oct 05 - 07:18 PM
Maryrrf 19 Oct 05 - 07:40 PM
Lancashire Lad 19 Oct 05 - 08:02 PM
michaelr 19 Oct 05 - 08:20 PM
Amos 19 Oct 05 - 08:37 PM
Lancashire Lad 20 Oct 05 - 04:10 AM
Lancashire Lad 20 Oct 05 - 07:56 AM
Morticia 20 Oct 05 - 08:17 AM
Lancashire Lad 20 Oct 05 - 08:21 AM
GUEST,Gerry 20 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM
GUEST,Gerry 20 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM
GUEST,Mark Coyle 21 Oct 05 - 04:33 AM
Lancashire Lad 21 Oct 05 - 05:30 AM
Briagha 21 Oct 05 - 11:34 AM
Lancashire Lad 21 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM
Lancashire Lad 21 Oct 05 - 06:12 PM
Lancashire Lad 22 Oct 05 - 08:58 AM
Chris Green 22 Oct 05 - 09:02 AM
alanabit 22 Oct 05 - 02:09 PM
Lancashire Lad 22 Oct 05 - 02:26 PM
Lancashire Lad 23 Oct 05 - 05:05 AM
tarheel 23 Oct 05 - 09:07 PM
GUEST,Mark Coyle, Woven Wheat Whispers 24 Oct 05 - 07:11 AM
Lancashire Lad 24 Oct 05 - 09:50 AM
Crane Driver 24 Oct 05 - 05:49 PM
Lancashire Lad 25 Oct 05 - 03:48 AM
Lancashire Lad 28 Oct 05 - 02:18 AM
Peace 30 Oct 05 - 04:40 PM
Lancashire Lad 02 Nov 05 - 11:55 AM
Lancashire Lad 09 Nov 05 - 03:16 AM
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Subject: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:15 PM

Hi all
This message goes out to any catters who are struggling to have their music heard by a wider audience. I am about to launch a new dowload service which will differ considerably from iTunes, Napster, etc in that the music offered will be purely folk music (in it's broadest sense). I wont bore you with all the tech details here, but heres a brief outline.

The service will enable you to offer new or older pre - recorded works to the public via a secure server.

The artist will receive 50% of the download fee (current industry standard is a miserable 20%). All costs for hosting and publicity will be met from our 50%

All due payments will be made on a monthly basis to the musician / artist / copyright holder.

All payments will be accompanied with a full royalty statement enabling the artist to check number of dowloads.

The artist will be able to link his website too, making this a valuable promotional tool.

As I said earlier, the service covers folk in the widest possible tense with no geographical restrictions. Maybe you are a singer songwriter, a shantyman, a group of madrigal singers or a folk consort, your music will be welcomed. Possibly you recorded an LP 40 years ago that has long been out of print or maybe you are a new musician who wants to gain some exposure for a demo album. It doesn't matter.

There will be no costs to you whatsoever, and you retain the FULL rights to your material.

If this sounds like an avenue you wish to explore, please drop me a line. There are no promises of great riches to be had, but I hope this project will grow over the coming months to become an invaluable folk music resource of benefit to musicians, singers and purchasers of the music we love.

Feel free to drop me a line with any questions ammoniteuk@yahoo.co.uk or let me know your thoughts via mudcat.

All the best
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:22 PM

That is a wonderful idea!!

Good luck and thanks!


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:30 PM

Thanks Kat'
I'm hoping that others will think so too

LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:43 PM

This sounds very nice. I'm planning to work on a CD this winter, so I may be looking into taking advantage of your service.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 01:02 PM

Well feel free to drop me a line whenever you want info

LL


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From: frogprince
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:14 PM

Please keep us posted!


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: number 6
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:39 PM

Yeah LL, please keep us posted ... sounds interesting. You will hear from me.

Thanks for your efforts.

sIx


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:57 PM

This is an idea whose time has come. Good job. Good thinking. Good luck.

Stephen Lee


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:15 PM

Individual reviews would be helpful to help those of us who may be unfamiliar with specific cuts.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:13 PM

Hi all
Thanks for the positive response so far. The plan is for every available download to be accompanied by an artist profile / biog which you can read in advance. This section can also be linked to the artist's homepage (if they have one). This section will also contain a small free downloadable sample (aprox 1 min). This will give potential customers the chance to try before they buy. Hopefully this will encourage people to not only download tracks by artists they are familiar with, but also listen to (and possibly investigate) some artists that are "new" to them.

Someone has asked how the system will operate. I'll keep this brief, but as always feel free to email for more info.

The customer will pay the dowload fee through Paypal or similar. Once payment is received, they receive via email a link to a secure page that they can access for 48 hours. This address will function for 48hours only and will then change. The address is only known to the paying customer.

In addition the the "album", the customer will receive artwork and any other material that the artists wishes to offer. The artwork will be pre sized so it can be printed off by the purchaser to fit a standard CD case.

All transactions are viewable by the artist and they will receive a copy of all on line transactions on a monthly basis. This way, they can be sure to receive their royalty payment in full. It is vital that this accounting process is transparent and that performers and copyright owners are assured that they are receiving every penny they are due. The days of artists being ripped off by record companies, distributors and via illegal downloads should be long gone, but sadly they remain all too common.

However, we are doing everything we can think of to make sure the music makers get the rewards owed to them.

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:18 PM

I´ll look into that , thanks LL
All the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Maryrrf
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:40 PM

I'm interested!


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:02 PM

Hi Maryrrf and anyone else who is interested too.

The site aims to launch in november. We are currently running the software to make sure its completely bug free. We should have a beta version of the site on line in the next seven days. The site will give all the info you need. If you want me to notify you when it's on line, please send me an email to ammoniteuk@yahoo.co.uk

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:20 PM

Hi LL --

I sent you a CD of my band Greenhouse for your radio program last year. Can you use it for the downloads? Have you played it on the radio?

Good work you're doing.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:37 PM

Great plan, LL. I wish you every success with it.


A


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:10 AM

FAO Michaelr.
I think you possibly have me mixed up with someone else. I dont have a radio programme, nor have I ever received a CD from you.

However, if you want details of the site / service please drop me an email to ammoniteuk@yahoo.co.uk.

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 07:56 AM

Hi all
Many many thanks to all who have shown their enthusuiasm for this project.

I'm happy to tell you that the beta version of the site is up for viewing at Folk Music Download site

Just follow the menu on the left hand side of the page. It gives you a full overview of how the site will work for both artists and customers.

If you have further questions, suggestions or comments in general feel free to voice them via the mudcat forum or direct via email to

email download site

Many thanks for your support so far

LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Morticia
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 08:17 AM

what an interesting site, thank you


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 08:21 AM

Just a word about submissions to the download site.

We can certainly handle your submissions via mp3 attachment, but due to heavy traffic, postal submissions are preferred.

You can send your music as a CD or CDR in any audio format. (we will convert to high quality mp3 for download)

With your music, we need all the following

Artwork to accompany the download. However if you don't have anything ready, we can prepare something with your approval (with no cost to yourself)

A track listing. Sounds obvious I know, but I got a CDR a couple of days ago that didn't have one.

Any promotional material you may wish to make available (photos, reviews, web site links, etc)

Your email address. In case we need to contact you urgently

Your full postal address. Before making your material available for download, we need to send you a documment for signing which confirms you are the owner of the material submitted. (We will NOT offer any music without having received this documment)

Any relevent info regarding previous or current availability of your music. IE has it ever been issued? If so, in what format and by whom?

You can submit by post to
Mr I Southworth
9 Fazackerley St
Preston
PR2 2SQ
UK

Many thanks
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM

"the music offered will be purely folk music (in it's broadest sense)"

Am I the only one who thinks there's something odd there (and, no,
I'm not referring to the surplus apostrophe)?


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 09:36 PM

"the music offered will be purely folk music (in it's broadest sense)"

Am I the only one who thinks there's something odd there (and, no,
I'm not referring to the surplus apostrophe)?


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: GUEST,Mark Coyle
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 04:33 AM

Hi all,
just a quick reply to the following. I'm the person working with LL on this service.

"the music offered will be purely folk music (in it's broadest sense)"

Am I the only one who thinks there's something odd there (and, no,
I'm not referring to the surplus apostrophe)?"


>>>Well first, apologies for the unwarranted apostrophe, a slip of the finger.

>>>What LL was trying to reflect in the above wasn't anything odd, it was just reflecting that people often have varying views as to what is and isn't folk. We are trying to support new and older artists and what a new artist calls folk in all sincerety might not be accepted as such by a traditional artist. We are also trying to include music that is inspired by or connected to folk. This might be like the George Butterworth 'rural song' styled settings of Richard Moult or experimental acoustic inspired by the likes of John Fahey and Sandy Bull etc (who even back in the 60s many never accepted as folk). Then there is the whole area of music that combines folk with influences from the late 60s psychedelia period. We want to be able to include such music but recognise that again, it's not folk in the purest sense, USA mountain songs in the style of Dock Boggs or Roscoe Holcomb some might say are more blues or formative bluegrass, folk-rock of course isn't pure folk. All we're trying to do is recognise that folk has been an evolving form that has taken in other influences and retained its traditional heart. We want to try and help all of this.

>>Rather than try and be strict about what is and isn't folk, we're working with the artists directly and trying to build something positive that can support a broad range of artists - we will be careful how we present them though and will ensure we don't give the impression that a new freeform release isn't represented as being traditional folk and so on. LL and myself bring together complementary and overlapping interests across the range of folk music - and it is that we're trying to reflect.

Obviously we're also keen not to scare people away from expressing interest, we both get a lot of emails saying 'I think what I do is folk but I don't quite know' - for a lot of people folk isn't something they have experienced much but like the idea of or take some inspiration from but with encouragement and support they can go on to have an active interest. So we're being careful to encourage people to get in touch rather than feel the service is too specifically defined to apply to them. Already it is turning up some incredible music that might otherwise not find release such as an amazing instrumental acoustic folk set from Slovenia with guitar playing comparable to John Renbourn or Adrian Legg.

>>I know it is easy to see ulterior motives or something odd in such initiatives, but this is a sincerely meant service that rather than see folk and music inspired by it fade away (as another post here said the other day) we want to provide some support and passion to help it be seen as a contemporary and vital form in its own right. If we stuck to only the purest sense of folk, we would lose the ability to bring artists together across eras and genres and to bring a new set of musicians towards folk music. We're also in active discussion now with a number of traditionally focussed, contemporary folk artists who see this as a viable route for them - I talked with two artists yesterday that everyone here would know and accept as part of folk music in the strictest sense of definition.

I know people will say this or that release isn't pure folk but we have to start somewhere. Let me finally say, we actively and specifically do want traditional / acoustic folk and it will have pride of place in the service. If you make such music and would welcome some support, do let us know.

Anyway, I hope that helps and thanks for reading it.

cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 05:30 AM

Just as a footnote to what my partner has just said

We are trying to take a wide defination of what folk "is". People have argued for years over this - See Dylan "judas" incident! Rather than try to argue what is or isnt suitable.music in the styles of the following artists would all fit easily into our service.

Copper Family
Incredible String Band
Martin Carthy
Woody Guthrie
Bellowhead
John Fahey
Afro Celt Sound System
Six Organs of Admittance
Dock Boggs
Nick Drake
Alan Stivell
The Pogues
Michael Chapman
Fairport Convention
Sid Kipper

All the above are folk music, and possibly all have been accused at some point of not being!
The service is suitable for anyone working in an (even remotely) similar field.

The aim as I said in earlier posts, is not only to make music available by better known artists, but equally for "new" artists who want to access a wider audience. Mark and I will endevour in every way to promote your music be it something that was previously released and now deleted, a new experimental project or simply a finished demo that you would like to get some feedback for.

Keep the questions and thoughts coming in. Your feedback is important.
Mark and I will keep you updated on the service as things progress towards the launch

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Briagha
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 11:34 AM

Sounds like a great idea-- I'll PM you later and will definitely send my CD to you. Thanks for being the one to make this happen.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM

Many thanks Briagha
Looking forward to the CD and you PM

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 06:12 PM

Just a quick line to let people know that we have added some updated info to the site.

Folk Music Download site

Thanks
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 08:58 AM

Hi all
Flooded out with messages of support and interest. I'm overwhelmed!
Just to let you know we started to upload material. Also we have included a "try it" option in the menu. If you select, you will be able to see how quickly things dowload and also hear the high quality sound.

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Chris Green
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 09:02 AM

Isambarde are recording a new album as we speak - should be finished by New Year. We'll bung you a copy when it's done. Fantastic idea LL, that will doubtless be of service to folkies everywhere! :)


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: alanabit
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 02:09 PM

This looks like a great idea. I shall be getting in touch.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 02:26 PM

Thanks to both of you.

More features added to the site today

www.wovenwheatwhispers.co.uk

Feel free to take a look

LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 05:05 AM

Hi all

Just another update and clarification. For those of you who have just recorded a demo and have as yet, no music to offer for sale, the following will be important!

As a free means of promotion, we are happy to include demos as free downloads on the site. As usual there will be NO CHARGE whatsoever for this service. For details, view the newly started mudcat thread called Your Demos are Wanted.

Details of the free demo service plus details of our regular folk music paid download service are now available on line too. Go to FOLK MUSIC DOWNLOAD SITE and follow the menu.

PLEASE NOTE. The free demo service is only suitable for artists who as yet have no products to offer for sale.

Best wishes
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: tarheel
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 09:07 PM

well...i'll go on the presumption that...if it sounds too good to be true,it probably is....
sorry,no taker here!


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: GUEST,Mark Coyle, Woven Wheat Whispers
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 07:11 AM

Tarheel - what makes you say that? Is everything so tainted in this day and age that a genuine attempt to help *has* to be 'too good to be true'?

Don't let this put anyone else off - we're not about to rip anyone off. We've even put all the commercial terms up at the site - who else does this?

cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 09:50 AM

Also, why is it "too good to be true" ?

Would you be happier putting your music in the hands of someone who has no love of the music, nor any intention of paying?

Dont understand your negativity to be honest. No-one (and certianly not us) are making claims about great riches to be had.

If we wanted a get rich quick scheme, it would have been just as easy to set up an illegal site offering dowloads of the top 40 rock and pop albums.

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Crane Driver
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 05:49 PM

Well, I'm happy to look into this - seems the worst that could happen is that I'll lose a copy of my CD. I've emailed the site - hope to hear from you soon.

Andrew


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 03:48 AM

Hi all

If anyone wants to see the terms of our service they can visit the web site. Alternatively, you can EMAIL ME at any time and I will send you the terms direct for you to print off and read at your leisure.
There are no hidden catches

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 02:18 AM

refresh (as "folksinger" lost the thread)


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From: Peace
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 04:40 PM

Neat idea.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:55 AM

Hello everyone,
Thanks for those who emailed support for the site. Here is an update on progress so far.


Woven Wheat Whispers -  release news 1st November 2005.

I'm pleased to let you know that we have today put up seven new releases distributed by Woven Wheat Whispers with another 15 listed as coming soon (during November).

Our development has attracted a lot of artist interest and we have been keen to build on this by getting their releases available quickly and easily so that we can start to build awareness of them.  We have many artists working on new albums for the service and reissues possibly in the pipeline that we will announce in coming weeks.

The music service also now has its own standalone site to facilitate growth at http://www.wovenwheatwhispers.co.uk (and also at the .com).  The site has new areas like a free demo submission, 'coming soon' and 'catalogue listing' pages.

Artists we have released today are:

WWW-0003    Boštjan Soklic  -  wonderful folk guitar and raga pieces from Slovenia
WWW-0004    Dave Jenkin   -   folk, blues, rag-time and folk-rock
WWW-0005    Barry Reeves   -   liberal christian folk
WWW-0006    Big Al Whittle   -   acoustic folk and story telling
WWW-0007    Gwilym Daves   -   traditional songs from Gloucester
WWW-0008    Puzzlejug   -   folk carols and customs songs from Hampshire
WWW-0009    Phantom Dog Beneath The Moon   -   soft psychedelic folk from Ireland

For each release there is a review, web links, three extracts to hear and supporting information.


Forthcoming Releases

Please do feel free to take a look at our 'coming soon' page where we show new albums and reissues coming very soon to the service.

We're very excited to exclusively be issuing two new compilations of work by Jancis Harvey from her classic out-of-print albums.

In our next announcement we should be ready to release a wonderful folk-drone-song work by 'The Triple Tree' (which is one of the foremost modern experimental folk artists).

We continually look for artists and labels to work with, new and old for either current or reissue albums.  In support of this we now have standard terms and conditions available for viewing.

Remember, we also host free downloads of demos for new artists too!


More information & promotions

The service may be emailed at ammoniteuk@yahoo.co.uk   As this is a service seeking to bring together artists and those who appreciate their music, we do value your thoughts, feedback and ideas

Please do visit the site, spread the word about the service and the releases.  For journalists and web promoters, please do get in touch about promotional copies.   We are in touch with many music press and internet promoters who we will be helping to promote the service in coming months.

Thank you for the early support we have received.   Thanks also to The Anvil for being the first artist to join us a few weeks ago and get things going.  With no prior promotional cover,  The Anvil's album sold within the first few days in UK, Denmark and USA.

cheers




Woven Wheat Whispers:  the music of the fields will be heard


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 03:16 AM

Hello All.
Just a line to let anyone know that we have now added more artists to the site

There are fantastic albums in the tradition of the SW of England from PUZZLEJUG

There is experimental folk from THE TRIPLE TREE

There are exclusive re-issues from Suffolk's JANCIS HARVEY

A great folk blues fingerpicker in PETE DOC

Chansonnier EDDIE LAWLER

Northern folk song and humour (ala Mike Harding) from DOM COLLINS

Add to this albums of Traditional UK folk music, good old folk rock, ragtime guitar, folk-blues and some very haunting psychedelic folk music from Ireland, and you will see the wide focus we are taking.

Feel free to submit your own music.
We officially launch the service on 1st December

Best wishes
Ian

_________________
Visit http://www.wovenwheatwhispers.co.uk the LEGAL folk music download site. Working with musicians and customers to offer music from the folk world to your home.


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Subject: RE: Need to be heard?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 01:34 PM

Hello All.
Just a line to let anyone know that we have now added more artists to the site

There are fantastic albums in the tradition of the SW of England from PUZZLEJUG

There is experimental folk from THE TRIPLE TREE

There are exclusive re-issues from Suffolk's JANCIS HARVEY

A great folk blues fingerpicker in PETE DOC

Chansonnier EDDIE LAWLER

Northern folk song and humour (ala Mike Harding) from DOM COLLINS

Add to this albums of Traditional UK folk music, good old folk rock, ragtime guitar, folk-blues and some very haunting psychedelic folk music from Ireland, and you will see the wide focus we are taking.

Feel free to submit your own music.
We officially launch the service on 1st December

Best wishes
Ian

_________________
Visit http://www.wovenwheatwhispers.co.uk the LEGAL folk music download site. Working with musicians and customers to offer music from the folk world to your home.


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From: GUEST,louise o'brien
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 03:16 PM


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