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GUEST,petr 22 Jun 05 - 08:18 PM
CarolC 22 Jun 05 - 02:38 PM
GUEST,Bardford 21 Jun 05 - 11:45 PM
dianavan 21 Jun 05 - 11:21 PM
kendall 21 Jun 05 - 09:35 PM
Troll 21 Jun 05 - 02:45 PM
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Big Al Whittle 21 Jun 05 - 01:48 PM
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JohnInKansas 21 Jun 05 - 10:18 AM
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DougR 21 Jun 05 - 12:51 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:18 PM

well Dgr, when oil hits $100 a barrel, (and it has doubled in price in 2years) we'll all keep driving down to the Walmart to get our $3 underwear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 02:38 PM

After all, he has lots of choices down on the ranch ...sheep, goats, cattle, maybe even pigs. Why would he choose you?

Hate to break it to you, boys... this one cuts both ways.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,Bardford
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:45 PM

Here ya go, Dianavan:
Laura Bush Bio


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:21 PM

kendall - Whats up with the Laura Bush car incident? I must have missed it.

You are right. Why attack Iraq when they should have been searching for Osama instead of weapons of mass destruction. Why didn't the U.S. let the U.N. handle Iraq? In other words, why didn't the U.S. mind their own business instead of starting a needless war?

At this point, Osama is just a symbol created by the Bush administration to justify armed aggression on foreign soil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 09:35 PM

We were ATTACKED BY Saudis. We invaded Iraq. That is the bottom line.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Troll
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 02:45 PM

The problem seems to be in the interpretation of the following:

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

Specifically the phrase "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

On MSMBC's Hardball last night, two of Mr. Matthews guests were Mr. Kay, a former UN inspector and Mr. Wooten (?) who was the head of the CIA under the Clinton Admin.

They did not seem to think that it was anything important and that it was not a "smoking gun".

Mr Wooten pointed out that the while the American use of the term "were being fixed" meant that the books were being coked, the British uasge is somewhat different. Kay agreed.

As they never clarified the statement, perhaps some of our British members could offer an explaination?

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,Phantom of the Uproar
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 02:44 PM

Of course come to that, who needed the Downing Street memo to clue them in that the whole WMD, "they attacked us first", "Saddam is a threat to the world" excuse for invading Iraq was a tissue of lies? Anyone who was paying attention knew that. The memo just brings it back into the news, not something Republicans want people to be reminded of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 02:15 PM

John in Kansas: thank you for that correction. Of course you are right. I expect Tom DeLay to begin impeachment proceedings at the earliest.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:48 PM

no you got me, wheres it going?


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:46 PM

Yeah, ptr, I understand Wal-Mart plans to open a supercenter pretty soon in Iraq. The plan is to drive all the mom and pop businesses our of business.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:16 PM

well it was never about getting rid of shitbag regimes.
It was never about oil either.
Rather about establishing and maintaining Pax Americana.

Al Qaeda's project just happened to collide with and energize
the neocons project for a new American Century.
WHoever planned 9/11 is not a simpleton, he must have known
that the US would respond militarily and aggressively, at Al Qaedas
bases in Afghanistan. Did anyone expect the US to suddenly withdraw and start a new isolationist policy? of course not. So why would Bin Laden
do it. The obvious answer is to instill more anger in the muslim world and get more recruits for their cause. The trouble is that Afghanistan fell quickly,
because the US mostly fought an air war, and co-opted the Northern Alliance and other warlords to do their work.

On the other hand, it must have been a gift to Bin Laden to invade Iraq, and judging from the number of foreign muslim recruits that flocked to Iraq, it was exactly what Al Qaeda wanted.

All the muscle flexing, the biggest and most advanced military in the world, attacking a fifth rate 3rd world army, cancelling the ABM treaty, and developing small usable nukes etc. is all intended to show
AMericas power to everyone else.

Of course it never works, (just look at all the other empires consigned to history, Rome, Spain, Ottoman, Britain) in the end economics trumps all. And with Walmart exporting manufacturing jobs to CHina, software and information services going to INdia, and the ongoing Republican destruction of the American middle class you can see where its going.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 01:07 PM

I saw an interesting bumper sticker yesterday, it said;
"Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than my gun." It was close to an NRA sticker.

If it had been parked, I would have left him this note:

"Laura Bush's car killed more than your gun too."

I'll bet he doesn't even know about that little incident.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 12:28 PM

Obviously a lot more intelligent than their owner.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 12:27 PM

Bush's livestock must be very well trained.......if they give blowjobs..Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 12:17 PM

After all, he has lots of choices down on the ranch ...sheep, goats, cattle, maybe even pigs.

Thanks for the info Doug. Which does he choose most often, and how does he decide?


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 10:18 AM

A technical correction:

DougR If they were, every Democrat in the United States Senate, and John McCain, would be introducing legislation to start the party.


Only the House of Representatives can initiate an impeachment.

Supplemental:

Members of Congress cannot be impeached.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 08:01 AM

ooh....DougR

:-{


Nice response.

Remind me to never cross you.




Hubby ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 12:51 AM

Well, Blissful, as much as you might enjoy it ...I have serious doubts that your willingness to perform such an act would be welcomed by the President, even though you might enjoy it. After all, he has lots of choices down on the ranch ...sheep, goats, cattle, maybe even pigs. Why would he choose you?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:47 PM

Maybe i should go and give Bush a blowjob, then blab to the media. I'm not saying i'd enjoy it, but if it has thbe desired effect...


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: michaelr
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:25 PM

I repeat the question: Who appoints Special Prosecutors? Can anyone cite the procedure?

I'd really like to know.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Troll
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:10 PM

I don't know what part of my post prompted your little outburst, Ake, but I thought the thread was concerned with the Downing Street memo.

My country right or wrong. My mother drunk or sober.

I'm happy for you that you don't feel that you are a scoundrel and I don't see why you seem to feel that I am one.

As far as deaths are concerned, I have seen too many slaughtered on our nations highways by drunk drivers with nothing being done about it to be real concerned anymore about much of anything except surviving. I'm numb.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 06:58 PM

"As I heard on the news this afternoon,(ABC) the person who "leaked" the memo first typed it and then destroyed the origional so as to protect the person who gave it to him"




I thought Dan Rather retired?
Looks as if he didn't afterall!



Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 06:55 PM

troll...regardless of the impeachment question, does it not concern you that the war may have been illegal.
That the American and British people were deliberately mislead, to suit the agendas' of the respective governments

Is your heart so hardened that the deaths of innocents and American troops are just details deserving no consideration.

Is it still my flag and my country right or wrong?

I'm glad I was brought up to believe "patriotism the last refuge of a scoundrel".    Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Troll
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 06:43 PM

Well guys, good luck on your attempt to get rid of GW with the Downibg Street Memo.

As I heard on the news this afternoon,(ABC) the person who "leaked" the memo first typed it and then destroyed the origional so as to protect the person who gave it to him.

So here we have a memo with only the word of the person who leaked it that the contents are identical to the origional. And with THIS you're going to try to impeach a President?

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:21 PM

Foreverever!

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:18 PM

Yes! Yes!! You're Bloodywellright! YES!!! What a wonderful gift you have given the Free World." I love you man! The Downinging Street Memoes will stand!

Peter Woodruff


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:02 PM

Sorry, SH. Case still very much open.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:44 PM

"I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this yet."

michaelr,

It's already been done....


Give it up. Revenge has never the libs strong suit.

Case closed.....move on to the next topic.



Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:15 PM

Golly, Doug, I'm really surprised that they'd say that! That's amazing! I'm duly chastened!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: DougR
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:45 PM

Nope, sorry gang, but the memos are not grounds for impeachment. How do I know? Simple. If they were, every Democrat in the United States Senate, and John McCain, would be introducing legislation to start the party.

Anyway, both Bush and Blair have already addressed this issue, and both have publically declared that there is nothing substantive in the memos.

Sorry.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:26 PM

Yes we did set up those bad guys.

We set up the Taliban as part of the strategem to topple the Soviet Empire.

We bankrolled Saddam's war against Iran because, the Iran was behaving appallingly.

We don't elect saints - we elect people who will oppose our enemies ruthlessly.

I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying, is that right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:03 PM

Absolutely! all points worth pondering, but did he get it wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:02 PM

Donuel,

Don't expect any action from our local asshole. When the shit hits the fan, he will have as much to dodge as GW. He's no better, because he went along with it, and lied to us.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:58 PM

When a dog pisses on a fire hydrant it is not committing an act of vandalism; it is simply being a dog.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:01 PM

Let's not forget who put those "Shit bag" rgimes in there in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:00 PM

Why would corporate owned media , who has made a bundle on this war, wish to broadcast anything that would adversely effect their bottom line?

Cheney calls it the "so called" Downing St. memo.

If anyone whould get the ball/heads rolling it should be the British. Afterall it is a UK memo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:54 PM

"He has pointed out to anybody else who thought that 9/11 was a pretty good wheeze, that there are consequences."

He has pointed out to Osama that 9/11 was a pretty good pretext to get rid of Saddam, and that's something that Osama has wanted for a long time.

How about getting rid of our own shitbag regime? Then if we were bright enough we could have a fairer government.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:45 PM

Whoever it was flying into your buildings - they thought you were too pro Israel, they thought you were decadent and couldn't take care of yourself, they thought you were a totally secular society and that they were spirtually your superior.

Its a bit like the bombing of Libya after the Lockerbie thing. Whether he did Lockerbie or not, Gaddafi wasn't so damn keen to claim the honour of 9/11 as he was in the days when he was sheltering every asshole from the IRA, to Black September, Baader -Meinhoff, to Carlos the Jackal. Everybody who thought a bomb in a shopping centre was a blow for freedom, Gaddafi was their pal.

Morally of course Bush was wrong - they were innocent men and women getting killed by the 'softening up' bombing that preceded these invasions.

But the question I was posing to you - did he get it right in terms of reapolitik. That's why we don't elect Saints.

Has getting rid of those two shitbag regimes made things better. he has given a two countries a chance which they may not be bright enough to take advantage of, to have a fairer system of government. He has pointed out to anybody else who thought that 9/11 was a pretty good wheeze, that there are consequences.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:04 PM

Might not be impeachable, but definitely peachy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:16 AM

It's our fucked up version of morality. It's ok to kill 100,000 people in an illegal war of aggression, but you should never get caught acting like a human being.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:23 AM

Difference between Clinton's lies and Bush's is, ohhhh, 'bout 100,000 dead people...


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 06:04 AM

They never were flying into our buildings, remember? That was our oil rich Saudi friends. The Afghans and Iraqi's were just whipping boys so that we could kick some ass without upsetting the money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:14 AM

Did he get it wrong though?

So he lied - he's a politician. Comedians tell jokes, and politicians.....Of course, I was forgetting there are those amongst us here who think that some banks are damn fine moral institutions.

The Taliban are no longer in power. Saddam Hussein is pretty much where he belongs. Whilst suicide bombers are directing their fury towards Baghdad sandwich bars, they aren't flying planes into New York buildings.

For what its worth, I liked Clinton better and I think maybe so did the American public. Why don't you change your system so that popular leaders can serve longer?

Then you could have the liar of your choice!


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:37 AM

Uh, we're gonna get the Republican view?


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:35 AM

Some reporters may be liberal. All media owners are republicans. Guess what that means.


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:25 PM

No, GUEST, they won't... But not because Bush is any "cleaner" but because more folks with lots o' money are stealin' from the workin' class and Bush is like the "gate keeper".... Ain't nuthin' clean about bein' that "gate keeper" fir the thieves...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:23 PM

diana -- the public is irrelevant here. Who appoints Special Prosecutors? Where's a Ken Starr when we need him?

Bobert -- yep, you got that right. You and I and a few others here have been calling the bastards on their lying for years. This should clinch it!

Well, I think the remaining Democrats in Congress need to look long and hard for a spine amongst themselves. I don't know what the drill is for beginning impeachment proceedings, but I hope someone here can enlighten me. If this ain't a smoking gun, I don't know what is.

Or can't they see the gun for the smoke??

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:20 PM

The Bush is much cleaner than old Billy's willie. They won't nail him on this one -- by George!


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 10:38 PM

Well, well, well...

Seems that this oughta end the "Liberal Press" BIG LIE... I mean, this is bigger than anything Clinton did... Waaaaayyyyyyy Bigger! Yet, not much of a peep from the "CONSERVATIVE MEDIA"... What's going on here, folks?

Seems that Bush wanted to manipulte the intellegence on Iraq to get the American people to go along with invading a country to pose no threat????????

Hey, this shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone here. I, as well as others, were telling the same story during the RUN-UP TO WAR, weren't we????????

Buit we had Teribus and Doug sayin' tnhat we were the loonies... Now who is lookin' like the loonies????????

Cookin' the intellegence impeachable?????????? Well, yeah, but by whom????? A Repub controlled Congress???? Lets get real here, folks??? We ain't talking Clinton here where the big money wanted hi out... We're talking big money and tghey got their BOY and they ain't gonna sacrice their BOY if he's caught solicitin' a whore up in NorthEast DC....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 10:30 PM

I saw a bumper sticker that said - "When Clinton lied - no one died"


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