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Subject: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:22 PM

Seeing that my first thread was closed because no one one could discuss Alan Dershovitz's fine article with out getting in the usual anti-semetic mode, let's try again.

Please read this article from this fine Harvard law professor:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1391995/posts


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:27 PM

that isnt the reason it was closed...now fuck off.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:30 PM

The reason was you, Guest.

I'm not going anywhere. Did you read the article? What do you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:31 PM

I think you should fuck off.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:34 PM

Moderator, please delete the previous Guest's posts.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:35 PM

moderator please delete all of martins personal attacks.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:37 PM

ps and martin fuck off.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:37 PM

LOL!!

Guest, let's get back on the topic of this thread. Why do you think Dershovitz brands many left wing UK professors as anti-semites?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:50 PM

No idea. Now fuck off.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 05 - 09:06 PM

I think that it's because you, guest are a UK professor and are having a homosexual affair with someone named Abdul.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 05 - 09:21 PM

I see nothing that would exempt people from being bigots just because they are teachers. A fellow in Alberta named Jim Keegstra taught his students that the Holocaust didn't happen He was also the mayor of Eckville. He did that for years before a parent brought it to the attention of the school board and the Alberta Teachers' Association. His certification was yanked by the ATA.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 05 - 09:25 PM

Good brucie. He deserved it.

I have heard other incidents similar to that.

It was in the June copy of the World Jewish Digest, which claims that it is the number one Jewish periodical.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 05 - 09:30 PM

The "Simon Wiesenthal Centre for Holocaust Studies" points out the prevasiveness of the problem worldwide. Some years back kids in an Austrian school were visiting a 'game' site. The player could put in the 'people' of his choice and run an extermination camp--and if I recall, there was the choice of Blacks, Muslims, Jews and Turks. This sick crap seems to have no end. I should point out that when it was brought to the attention of the school authorites, they blocked the site(s).


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Interested
Date: 29 May 05 - 09:58 PM

The more important question is why part one of this thread was closed down ? Who is protecting Martin ? Why does Martin feel like he needs protection ?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Bemused
Date: 29 May 05 - 10:00 PM

And why would that make you Interested?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Interested
Date: 29 May 05 - 10:05 PM

Because Martin says some of the most vile things imagineable and someone is allowing him to do it. All some of us are trying to do is ask Martin to talk about issues instead of making foul personal attacks. Martin calls women c**ts all of the time. But people who ask him not to do so are deleated.

But if that's the website you want then so be it.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 05 - 10:24 PM

Ditto, GUEST, Interested....

The BS threads before MG were more interestin' because the didn't get highjacked by one highly bigoted individual...

I remember the first thread I started here. It was about the Department of Peace and it went somewhere around 100 posts an', though I didn't agree with too many folks, it was at least intellectually stimulatin' and in the end I came away with a few things to thing about...

Not these days!

Anything that remotely resembels a thread that might steer off the beatine' path of Bush-conformity gets highjacked by one individual...

Like what is this all about? How come one individual can continually be allowed to dominate and highjack otherwise thoughtfull threads???

Hey, I don't mind folks disagreein' wid me... But this is getting rediculous...

Not too sure how to correct it but it needs correctin'....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 May 05 - 02:02 AM

What dou think Martin?

Honestly ....are you reaping a bit of what you've sown?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 May 05 - 04:39 AM

Hammer this thought into your brains folks.

DO.......NOT.....RESPOND!

Problem solved.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 30 May 05 - 05:07 AM

Right on the button Don.
Now everybody, repeat after Don and me - "DO....NOT.....RESPOND, DO....NOT.....RESPOND", "DO.....NOT..................."
Got it?
Good.
Now perhaps he'll fuck off.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 05 - 06:45 AM

He is a closet homosexual crying out for attention he can't speak to his Rabbi about it......move on you sicko you will not succeed in giving homosexuals a bad name.

What part of FUCK OFF dont you understand.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: CarolC
Date: 30 May 05 - 10:36 AM

So was it a case of "anti-Whiteism" when the same thing was done to the academic institutions (as well as athletes, artists, and business people) of South Africa in the early 1970s?

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/worldwide/story/0,9959,1463754,00.html


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 May 05 - 01:25 PM

(I believe that this thread has brought out the best of the British Nazis.

Anti-semitism is running rampant in Great Britain and much of Europe. The Mudcat BS section has plenty of these Nazis here.

No one is protecting me here. Perhaps some are finally wise to the BS and agendas here.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 30 May 05 - 06:55 PM

In comes the new year, just like the old year...

It's been a whole ten months since I stopped reading the 'Cat (and the thought of catching up on the Mother of all BS Threads dismays me...)

So why haven't the conversations changed? The same complaints as before. *Yawns*

Cya


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Don (Wysiwyg) T by the back door
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:07 AM

Martin,

As your last post was a genuine expression of opinion, it's worthy of rational discussion. So here goes!

1. I don't have sufficient knowledge of the situation in the US to agree or disagree with your comments on anti semitism there, tho' I have seen references to jews having difficulty in becoming members of certain country clubs and golf clubs. I have no way to know whether these are true or not.

2. I would suggest that you are in the same position in terms of your knowledge of my country. There are jews in every walk of life here from dustmen to MPs, and there is no problem for those of the Jewish faith in attaining to the highest positions.

Jew haters here are a tiny insignificant minority, and I haven't heard of any club or association that asks prospective members "Are you Jewish?", let alone turns they away.

I don't know where your info on British anti Semitism comes from, but I would suggest that they are less persecuted here than in Israel, where they run the risk of being blown up by suicide bombers.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 05 - 04:05 PM

Don, there is probably no more actual anti-Semitism in the United States than there is, as you have described, in Britain. Here, too, Jews are in every level of society and in every level of politics (Joe Lieberman was one of the candidates for the Democratic nomination, but the fact that he wasn't nominated had to do with his stated policies, not with his religion). There may be a few pockets of anti-Semitism here or there in groups like the Ku Klux Klan, the American Nazi Party (with the death of George Lincoln Rockwell, I'm not sure that even exists anymore), or Aryan Nations, but these organizations are minuscule and powerless, and are regarded by all but themselves as a collection of sickos, psychopaths, and freaks.

When the Aryan Nations hold their annual parade in that great world metropolis, Hayden, Idaho (population in 2002, 9,885), rather than being cheered, the local townspeople usually greeted them with hoots, cat-calls, and unsanitary missiles. The locals regard this group as an embarrassment to the community, and have tried to deny them a parade permit, but legal eagles pointed out that this would be a violation of the First Amendment (which permits freedom of expression of all viewpoints, no matter how distasteful). Anti-Semitism in general is essentially non-existent, and when and if encountered, even if there are no Jews present at the time, such attitudes are usually met with scorn and vigorous admonishment.

Martin Gibson's claims of rampant anti-Semitism, whether here on Mudcat or in the country in general, stem less from reality and more from his contention that anyone who feels that Palestinians are human beings too and deserve to be treated humanely are, ipso facto "anti-Semitic."

This, of course, is nonsense. Oppression is never justified, no matter who does it. And if the Palestinians felt that they were getting a fair shake and that they actually had some hope, such things as suicide bombings would greatly diminish or cease entirely.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 May 05 - 04:05 PM

Don T. all I have done is call attention to an article by a prestigous Harvard law professor, trial lawyer, author, and spokesmen for many who read his work in many Jewish periodicals.

I would not think anything is made up. There must be basis for this.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 May 05 - 04:36 PM

No Martin, that's not quite ALL you have done.

You have indeed drawn attention to an instance of genuine concern. If the chain of events was as described, the action was indefensible, and the instigator should be subject to punishment for such action.

What I am objecting to is the several casual references to anti semitism being rife, and routine, in the UK.

I don't believe that you have sufficient knowledge of the UK to make such observations, and you certainly cannot extrapolate from one incident, however reprehensible, to that sweeping generality.

Please believe me when I say that sixty five years of living here, in a culture which includes a very large number of Jews, in all walks of life, does qualify me to say that I would be aware of any large scale animosity toward them. In the main, it just does not exist.

The BNP, and certain others who may hate Jews, are a very tiny proportion of the population of this country, and most of us work and socialise with members of our community, without necessarily becoming aware that they ARE Jewish, and certainly without being concerned if they are.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 May 05 - 05:35 PM

Sorry, don T.

I have no faith in what you are saying at all.

I posted an article and I have not reason to not believe it as I have quite a lot of respect for Mr. Deshowitz who has some pretty inpressive creditials while you have as far as I can see, zilch.

Nor do you know everyone in the UK and how they think.

As for Don Firth, he is another one who has no scope of the matter, nor has he ever been threatedned in his life with anti-semitism nor does he know if any but a very small handfull of people who are affected.

Dorry you two Dons. This article was written by someone very close to the subject of which neither of you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:11 PM

Martin Gibson has no way of knowing what scope I have on the problem, nor does he know the people I know. The son of a good friend (Jewish) lived in Tel Aviv for some years, and I've talked to him a lot on occasions when he returned to visited his mother here in Seattle (by the way, he's living in London, now, and likes it very much). And he is only one of many people of the Jewish faith I know and have had occasion to discuss things with.   Nor does Martin have any idea of any discrimination that I may have been subjected to.

Martin is quick to make pronouncements regarding people he does not know and about whom he knows nothing.

That's called "prejudice."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 31 May 05 - 06:57 PM

WHAT - Martin has prejudice in his heart ?

Say it isn't so !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:35 PM

Don Firth,

Ditto.

I had already agreed with him on that one case, but still can't see where that gives rise to the belief that that kind of thing is rife.

And, of course, he, 3000+ miles away, would naturally know more about my country than I, who have lived there all my life.

My many Jewish friends and acquaintances will get a huge laugh out of this, when I tell them that they are being persecuted. It'll come as a big surprise to them.

None so blind.........

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:37 PM

waht all this is about?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Bill D
Date: 31 May 05 - 09:13 PM

it's about over, j0hn...

we were just telling MG that a few loud & noisy anti-Semites, stupid as they are, are not exactly a world-wide movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 May 05 - 09:56 PM

(Allow me) oh


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 May 05 - 10:25 PM

Don T, I am saying that Alan Dershowitz has a better handle than you do and even though you live in the UK, you have published nothing credible if anything at all on the subject, nor do you and Don Firth have any reputation what so ever as being experts in the subject.

Don Firth claims to be an expert on virtually every topic that comes up on Mudcat and is the original knows a little about some things and a whole lot about nothing.

In short, you are both just old men with very, very limited experience with Jews and have very little concept on what anti-semitism really is and how it can affect one's psyche.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 May 05 - 11:01 PM

Judging by what it's done to yours, Marvin- I agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: dianavan
Date: 31 May 05 - 11:26 PM

We all know that Martin suffers from a persecution complex.

Most of us have been discriminated against for one reason or another. Most of us, however, have better ways of dealing with it. Its how you deal with it that really matters. You can cry about "poor me" or you can change your response to the situation. Its really about how you react to the problem that defines the solution.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,cissco & sonny & ledbelly to.
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 07:31 AM

great u are named after to great guitars could have been hofner & horner.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 07:59 AM

like u hofner, the well known misprint who started playboy magazine

all we're saying martin is that we DO have a free pree press over here and you'd have thought SOMEONE, apart from this Harvard professor, would have mentioned the problem. I'm not sure, but isn't Michael Howard , Leader of her majesty's opposition a jew? he'd have had something to say.

Anyway do you really subscribe to the idea that college folk know everything - a lot more than everybody else.

Like Leopold and Loeb maybe.

Do you think the English college professors in Oxford and Cambridge know about what goes down in your town?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:05 AM

this could be your answer, martin


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:20 AM

Great link to a very good article.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,The Barden of England at work
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:51 AM

I went to a school that was two thirds Jewish, I lived in a prodominently Jewish area of London for 35 years, had and still have many Jewish friends, none of whom is Mr. Deshowitz but many of whom have pretty impresive credentials too and they don't share your views of my country. A Harvard professor can have his views the same as anybody else, but it certainly doesn't mean he's right. By the way 99.99% of the population of this country, and I dare say yours, aren't published either, but it doesn't make them any the less knowledgeable.
Finally, your statement

"Date: 30 May 05 - 01:25 PM

(I believe that this thread has brought out the best of the British Nazis.

Anti-semitism is running rampant in Great Britain and much of Europe. The Mudcat BS section has plenty of these Nazis here.

No one is protecting me here. Perhaps some are finally wise to the BS and agendas here."

Well - what can I say except I don't believe the miniscule amount of people on this board from any one country can be used to prove that anything is running rampant anywhere. I believe my country is as tolerant a country as you will find anywhere, which wasn't always the case in its Imperial past, but it is the past and not relevant to modern times.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:54 AM

"DO.....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND". It's not difficult.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 09:17 AM

"DO.....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND". It's not difficult.

Totally agree and lets get back to some proper bullshit


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 09:23 AM

That boycott is a success of the recent PACBI campaign based upon a spurious similarity between Israel and apartheid-South Africa. I wouldn't support such a boycott in this case.

The apartheid analogy, like the Nazi analogy, comes up a bit too often and too easily. Yesterday I read an interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the woman mentioned as the next victim on the breast of the Dutch filmmaker murdered by an islamist. She said that "the idea of multiculturalism that is the concept to treat all cultures as equal is a well meant form of apartheid" (her reasoning: (1) because it supports the segregation of men and women in the Muslim society and (2) because it supports the segregation of different subcultures in Europe).

Should we now boycott all Muslim countries as well as long as they do not give up the literalist interpretation of the Koran?

Such boycotts are usually stupid unless (1) the dislike of a regime is close to universal and (2) it is an economic boycott being able to force down a regime effectively (and not only to give some academics a good feeling).

Academic boycotts (and sport boycotts as well) are inherently silly and fly into the face of what one basic idea of science is. Should I for instance disregard a mathematical proof from an Egyptian colleague and write that the theorem...has not been proven yet? Should I disregard a warning about fatal side effects of a vaccination for it has been found by a colleague from Israel? Bullshit.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:12 AM

Strollin' Johnny. do not respond to this.

Go fuck your mother.

OK? thanks!

Strollin' Johnny just might be a Nazi trying to censor this thread and the article I wrote, it must bother him and hit home with him so much. The ones that cause the biggest reaction to stuff like this obviously are.

Anyway, I still believe that Alan Dershowitz's article says a lot about the left wing college professors in europe. College professors such as these British ones (and some we do have here) are not gods on a pedestal.

They should be criticized for and Dershowtiz has done just that.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:19 AM

DO.....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND".


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:20 AM

DO.....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND"   "DO....NOT.....RESPOND".


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:20 AM

you just did! You just did! You just did!

Guests like you are morons!

Please respond!


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:09 PM

" Strollin' Johnny. do not respond to this.

Go fuck your mother.

OK? thanks! "

How is this bastard MG getting away with this verbal abuse?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:13 PM

Treat like with like.

Gibson, go fuck your son.

Do not respond


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:17 PM

As Don Firth, whom I have always found to be quite knowledgeable and articulate, says, "Martin is quick to make pronouncements regarding people he does not know and about whom he knows nothing."

When Martin Gibson claims that the two Dons "are both just old men with very, very limited experience with Jews and have very little concept on what anti-semitism really is and how it can affect one's psyche," he's just doing it again, proving the point. He has no way of knowing what their knowledge and experience is. And when he goes on to accuse Strollin' Johnny of being a Nazi and says, "Go fuck your mother," that tells you all you need to know about Martin Gibson.

Martin, if people regard you as a thoroughly hateful and contemptible person, it's because you are a thoroughly hateful and contemptible person, not because you are Jewish.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:20 PM

He is a sad little man. To be pitied rather than hated. Thank God we're not like him.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:34 PM

I believe he is a dangerous person going by the filth he bestows on this forum, he probably practices what he preaches.
God knows what he is doing in his local community.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:50 PM

Thanks for the link to that article, freda. I'm going to google for more information on her. I especially like:


"It is important to me as a social justice activist to not only speak out against any kind of oppression or bigotry against Jews, but also to speak out for justice for all people, including speaking out against ant-Arab and anti Muslim racism. And this is an obligation, in part, because as Jews, we know what it's like to be targeted, deported, and attacked.

"In that same vein, just as I will always stand against real antisemitism-the blanket condemnation of Jewish people just for being Jews-I don't believe that criticizing Israeli policies is inherently antisemitic. In fact as progressive Jews we are called upon to speak out against any human rights abuses against any people; and to speak out against any violations of international law including violations by the U.S. government."


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:58 PM

Actually Guest - My guess is that he's a good little boy in the 3-D world because he knows someone would smoke his ass if he ever acted out like he does here.

This is the ONLY place he has any power. Over anything. He'll deny that of course. And unfortunatly we're the ones who give him that power. It's a sad existance he has - to be sure.

To think that the only way he has to be powerful and have any control over his world is to come here and talk dirty. Sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 01:22 PM

Ebbie is right. That is an excellent article, freda. Thank you for posting the link. And just in case anybody missed it, let me post the link again

Read it, if you haven't already.

Don Firth

(By the way, GUEST, Casual Observer, thank you. It's nice to know that my comments are not just disappearing into the ether.)


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: number 6
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 04:02 PM

This is an excellent article MG. Something we should take notice of. Antismeitism (and discrimination in genreal) is creeping in amongst us in a frigtening pace. Problem is very few are taking notice. Academia taking a step such as this only provides fuel for any type of discrimination and hatred.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: wildlone
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 08:03 PM

big to try what?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 10:40 PM

That's true Number 6 and I appreciate your comments. Too many here are blind to what is going on in the world.

BTW, all you others, I will also tell any one else to go fuck themselves or their mother like I did to Strollin' Johnny for his immature attempt at trying to censor me and to not read what I post. It was really quite childish and so is all of Ebbie's handwringing about what is and what isn't a Jew.

Haven't you noticed that a Jew today, just like Israel itself is one who doesn't take no shit. The saying is "Never again." Turning the other cheek gets you two sore cheeks.

But I know you will anyhow because I am your best drama in life I would think. Pretty obvious it's that way for bobert and a few other morons here.

Thanks again Number 6.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:13 PM

As Kinky Freidman sings - " They ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore "


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: number 6
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 11:42 PM

No problem MG .... I fear too many people are blind these days. Decrimination is discrimination ... period.

As to Kinky Freidman singin "They ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore" ... if they did, he'd be crucified again.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 02:32 AM

BTW, all you others, I will also tell any one else to go fuck themselves or their mother like I did to Strollin' Johnny for his immature attempt at trying to censor me and to not read what I post. It was really quite childish and so is all of Ebbie's handwringing about what is and what isn't a Jew.

Marvin, that's pretty rich, coming from someone who brags that you NEVER click on the links. Do you truly not realize what a silly man you are?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 05:01 AM

Hofner Hofner said "Anti - semitism is running rampant in Great Britain." Could I just point out that the following blokes are jewish - Michael Howard, Nigel Lawson, Leon Brittain. They must be superhuman to have done so well in such a vile anti jewish country!


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:02 AM

Guest, Ebbie - DO....NOT....RESPOND!!
Martian - I read EVERYTHING you say, it gives me a great laugh, but I CHOOSE not to respond.
S:0)

D'Oh! I responded! (ROFL)


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:26 AM

Hiya johnny. How come you weren't at Barrow on tuesday? Frightened by the true path?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:00 PM

I don't click on the links, Ebbie. Never.

Sleepless Dad, If I talk dirty it's because it annoys you like a few other girlie-men here.

Isn't it time you change those ripped pany hose you are wearing?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 12:44 PM

Making comparisons between South Africa's occupation of Namibia and Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem is spot on accurate, and my guess is that the reason people like Mr. Dershowitz are making the anti-Semitism charge against the the boycott is because it just might work (as it did in the case of South Africa).

And you are right, number 6... intolerance in all of its forms is definitely on the rise in the world today.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 01:06 PM

And leading the pack is Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 03:46 PM

guest Casual Observer, what makes you so casual?

Is it the Dockers you wear or the Izod shirt?

I am only intolerant of assholes and a few liberal, politically correct, self-righteous, pseudo-intellectuals here. And there is really only about 10 or 12 who think they own this place.

Consider coming here in a Tuxedo. You can then be a formal observer. but either way, you will still be a moron. Or a shit head.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 04:23 PM

Ted - too tired, working long hours just now because my boss left so I'm covering his stuff as well as my own. But I shall grace the hallowed halls again in the near future.
Flamingo, the True Path!
S:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 04:27 PM

Surely you mean: Flamingo, the True Bird?!


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:00 PM

The true bird is my middle fingew pointed in your direction.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 07:20 PM

"fingew?"

Why are you getting so upset, Martin? You say your just a fictional character and that you don't really exist in real life. Well, I'm just a fictional character too. I don't understand what you're getting so worked up about.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 10:25 PM

You don't get it, Casual Observer. I'm not at all worked up. There is a bit of sport in this whole thing.

Did you do as I said and rent a tuixedo so you can become a formal observer? Maybe you can borrow one of Ron Davies' evening gowns or cocktail dresses?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 10:31 PM

Ahhhhh, is the same Alan Dersowitz who wrote a book about how Bush's daddy's Supreme Court stole the 2000 election fir the son...


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 10:46 PM

Don't burn those hamburgers tomorrow "Martin" (for once).

Sweet dreams.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:24 AM

I'm not a great admirer of Mr. Dershowitz, or any grandstanding lawyer.
I'm not a great admirer of anti semetism, or anti anybody.
But what really disturbs me are the guest postings on this thread.
Any sentence that begins with fuck isn't an arument, it's an obscenity. This is a discussion forum, not a men's room wall.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: number 6
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:31 AM

MG posts a thread that has serious substance (whether you agree or disagree) and it evolves into absolute stupidity. It is disturbing.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 02:36 AM

Gibson defined the rules of the game, people just play along.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 04:40 AM

It's obvious that the British university organization which advocated boycotting Israeli universities is unjustified in this, as I've said earlier.

It's equally obvious that to extrapolate a widespread anti-Semitism from this is also unjustified.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 08:30 AM

I've been avoiding this thread, beacuse MG is such an obvious foaming loony that he's incapable of responding other than tribally.

But the article he pointed out was also an utterly simplistic and one sided report of the situation. The proposed boycott was NOT antisemitic. It was in protest against the oppression of the inhabitants of the occupied territories by the state of Israel.

You do nobody any favours if you automatically assume that all criticism of Zionism indicates a hatred of Jews. Not even to Israelis, who eventually, one way or another, will have to live alongside their neighbours. They can build a fence, but what next? Put a roof on it? Armour plate the underside? For ever and ever?

The USA has an effective boycott (including academic) of Cuba. I don't hear the Burning Bushites complaining about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,catsphiddle@work
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 10:03 AM

What I don't understand is why Martin you have to be so fowlmouthed and rude about it all. Surely you should be able to rise above all that and put your point accross with out being so nasty and rude. I agree that the subject matter is serious but you take that away with the way you communicate with other people. You are a member of this forum and you give it a bad name with your abusive postings you come accross as being no better than some of the Guests that post here....note I am not saying all guests as some add valuable information to this forum. Martin I suggest you think before you type and help make The Mudcat a nice place to be around (which it generally is) rather than making mountains out of mole hills and being abusive.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 10:28 AM

Catsphiddle - Your request makes sense but remember you're talking to Martin - aka Burger Boy. He has said repeatedly that he doesn't come here for debate. He's here to disrupt and cause discord among the "liberals" - which is anyone who isn't him. He's a troll. And for some reason the moderators here do little or nothing to contain him. So we can only suppose that what Martin does here is acceptable to them. Burger Boy hates everything including himself. So when he pushes the envelope some of us push back. It's not very mature but when you have a two year old throwing a tantrum on a grocery store floor the time for mature discussion is over. And currently the Mudcat is the equlivant of a grocery store floor. Sad but true, just like Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:46 PM

Ron Davies said,

"Don't burn those hamburgers tomorrow "Martin" (for once)."

am I supposed to find this offensive? Is this the best this girlie-man schmuch with a flap over his pussy can do?


BTW, sleepless dad, you are obviously sleepless because of all the amphetimines you pop. the only thing you can't take is when I shoot something truthful at you that bursts your drug induced bubble.

and catsphiddle, your lectures are boring. this is not some politcally correct classroom, thank God.

It's lunch time. I'm going out for a good cheeseburger today. don't gag on your tofu.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 12:49 PM

Hey Burger Boy why go out for a Cheese Burger, don't you trust the one you flip all day!


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 02:07 PM

"Burger Boy?" Oh! I thought that was "Bugger Boy!"

No tuxedo, thank you, Martin. I prefer casual to formal. But I do lean toward a certain level of elegance. I have French cuffs on my sweat shirt.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: sixtieschick
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 02:36 PM

Anti-Semitism is an insidious phenomenon that is far more widespread than appears on the surface. Old prejudices die hard. People who probably don't even consider themselves bigoted have made vicious anti-semitic comments to me, not realizing that I'm Jewish. Such comments are inevitably accompanied by the sort of nudge-nudge-wink-wink "just between us" gestures indicating that they know they are saying something un-P.C., but are quite sure that I--and everyone else--agrees with them.

There is also a widespread, not-so-subtle anti-semitism in the guise of being pro-Israel and honoring Jews being played out in the beliefs of born-again Christians who believe that Jews and Israel play a big part in Christ's return to earth--that ultimately involves the Jews being wiped out and going to hell like all the other poor slobs who haven't been born again into the true faith. Scary that this belief permeates the highest levels of U.S. government and is influencing foreign policy--not that any born-again policy maker would ever admit it.

Ever wonder why the "No Child Left Behind" act is named remarkably like the "Left Behind" book series fictionally depicting the entire born-again scenario?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM

60sbabe, I thoroughly agree with the first half of your post. that is factual. that is something we truly interact with.

The second part though, I am not so sure about and do not feel threatend by it.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 05:30 PM

I don't know why I just denied the post I did. I must have blacked out. I am throwing in the towel and admitting I have been way too harsh here about not letting others have their opinions.

I want to apologize to Martin Gibson for stalking him and trying to ridicule him. I hope he accepts my apology because if he doesn't, I will be............................sleepless.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 05:36 PM

Gosh Martin - when you start posting as me it's proof that I'm getting under your skin. Are you starting to feel guilty for the way you verbally abuse women here ? It' not too late to repent and change your ways. You seem to need a LOT of attention.

Lets stop our squabbles and let the adults get back to talking about issues. Be a good little boy. You can start growing up now.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 05:43 PM

Well, sleepless dad, you must have some other detractors here, because it wasn't me.

I can tell you my skin is way to thick for you to get under.

Abusing women is not my cup of tea. I don't care if an asshole is a man or a woman, they are still an asshole. Women work and do respectful things in all walks of society and I would vote for one for president ( condi, perhaps), but your position about abusing women is either outdated and cheuvenistic (sp) or you are some broad yourself who is fucked in the head because you were obviously abused yourself. That's probably the case because of how thin skinned you are and how a little profanity makes you squeemish.

Get help. Then go to hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 05:59 PM

I've had some time to think about it. I realize now that I am an abuser of women and liberals. I'm not sure why. I wasn't breast fed as a child. Perhaps thats why.


I know I need help but I just can't stop. I'm a sick, sick person. Carol C, Ebbie and others - please forgive me.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 07:07 PM

Oh, Guest/Martin Gibson, of course, of course. Let me wring my hands for you. Please don't feel bad. Don't cry. Here, here is a tissue- now BLOW.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 07:15 PM

Ebbie - I need to redeem myself in the eyes of the women here at the Mudcat. How do I begin ??

Help me please ?


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 07:28 PM

Time to close yet another thread, Joe?

DT.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,World Jewish Digest
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:54 PM

Martin Gibson wrote: It was in the June copy of the World Jewish Digest, which claims that it is the number one Jewish periodical.


YES Martin, We are the largest Jewish publication in America. Check us out at www.worldjewishdigest.com


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:41 PM

You are still around. He's gone.

Things are definitely looking up.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 07:41 PM

BTW, 100
DT


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Subject: RE: BS: From Britain With bigtotry Part2
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:52 AM

Well, GUEST,World Jewish Digest, you should be ashamed of yourself for publishing such an unbalanced, kneejerk article. You help nobody by screaming "RACISM" every time someone criticises Israel. The only time we (and you and they) will get peace is when you (and and we and they) learn to listen. You can only control your end of it, so start listening and understanding NOW.


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