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GUEST,Folkie 14 Apr 05 - 03:26 PM
GUEST,Folkie 14 Apr 05 - 03:29 PM
Liz the Squeak 14 Apr 05 - 03:43 PM
Herga Kitty 14 Apr 05 - 04:11 PM
Malc R 14 Apr 05 - 04:14 PM
Cllr 14 Apr 05 - 05:13 PM
GUEST,Jon 14 Apr 05 - 08:45 PM
GUEST,Sandy Bell 14 Apr 05 - 08:47 PM
GUEST,Jon 14 Apr 05 - 08:49 PM
mindblaster 14 Apr 05 - 09:10 PM
Cllr 15 Apr 05 - 04:37 AM
John MacKenzie 15 Apr 05 - 04:49 AM
MBSLynne 15 Apr 05 - 05:40 AM
GUEST,FAE Member 15 Apr 05 - 06:18 AM
Jos 15 Apr 05 - 06:22 AM
GUEST,raver 15 Apr 05 - 06:56 AM
GUEST 15 Apr 05 - 07:20 AM
GUEST,raver 15 Apr 05 - 07:29 AM
GUEST 15 Apr 05 - 09:17 AM
GUEST,Syd muth 15 Apr 05 - 11:06 AM
GUEST 15 Apr 05 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,syd muth 15 Apr 05 - 11:33 AM
GUEST 15 Apr 05 - 11:37 AM
GUEST,Sy d'mouf 15 Apr 05 - 01:04 PM
GUEST 15 Apr 05 - 02:31 PM
RobbieWilson 16 Apr 05 - 09:56 AM
GUEST,mystic cid 16 Apr 05 - 01:20 PM
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Subject: The Olympics & Sidmouth Festival
From: GUEST,Folkie
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 03:26 PM

There is an interesting article in the latest newsletter from FolkArts England.

Under the heading 'Opportunity for Tradition in 2012' it reports on how a London Olympics could be good news for folk music.

"Have you ever seen an Olympic opening or a cultural festival that didn't include the traditions of the host nation?" it asks.

Comparing the Arts policies of the three main political parties, the article then notes that Tory Shadow Arts Minister Hugo Swire has "warned of major cuts in the Department of Culture, Media and Sport" if the Tories win the UK General Election (not much chance of that!).

The article then points out that Hugo Swire "is the MP for East Devon who made no intervention at all as the Sidmouth International Festival, after 50 years on what is now his patch, closed mainly due to lack of serious funding."

Since the Festival closed the Tory-run East Devon District Council has cut the £60,000 grant to the event meaning the small band of people trying to keep some form of Folk Week alive in Sidmouth will face an even greater struggle to make ends meet.

There's an old saying in politics. "Trust not what they say but what they do".

On that basis you can trust a Tory Government to be very bad news for the Arts and for the traditional music scene in the UK.

Folkie Dave


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Folkie
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 03:29 PM

I obviously don't understand mudcat technology as the thread above appears under the heading "Sidmouth Closed" when I thought I typed "The Olympics & Sidmouth Festival".

Sorry to anyone connected with the 2005 Sidmouth Folk Week.

Just to be clear, the Folk Arts England I quoted refers to the Sidmouth International Festival closing (which it has) but I believe there are still plans to stage a much smaller Folk Week in the town this summer.

One wonders whether the local MP Hugo Swire will attend?

Folkie Dave


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 03:43 PM

if he does, one wonders if he will survive....

LTS


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:11 PM

Dave

What planet are you on?

If you want to make a point about inadequate appreciation and funding by central and local government of our heritage of folk music,then fine, because it's true that central and most of local government haven't a clue about the value of folk music.

The only party leader who understands the importance of folk music is Charles Kennedy, because his father is a piper (and it was the record of his father's piping that would have been his final choice for a Desert Island Disc).

Sidmouth festival has been going for 50 years, and is still going. The international element arrived fairly early on, but Steve Heap changed the name from "Folk Festival" to "International Festival" comparatively recently.

The main problem for the future of the festival is not the withdrawal of funding by EDDC, but the increasing amount of regulation of public performances, even when by amateurs or semi-pros, and onerous licensing and insurance requirements. Steve Heap asked for contingency funding to cover the insurance costs, particularly of outdoor and weather-dependent Arena events, and didn't get it.

It was Tony Blair's Government (and Kim Howells as Minister) who enacted the half-baked revised licensing legislation which was aimed at regulating pubs hosting lucratively paid professional performances and didn't take account of sessions where people just get together to sing and play for the fun of it.

Hugo Swire is no longer an MP, because Parliament has been dissolved and there is no Parliament to be a member of. If he is a candidate standing for re-election, I hope he will be asked if he supports his local festival.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Malc R
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:14 PM

He probably would, I doubt anyone in Sidmouth would even recognise the elusive Mr Swire :o)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Cllr
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 05:13 PM

yany one whi thinks folk is safe with labour i refer them to to the new PEL laws Cllr
(talk about shooting fish in a barrel)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:45 PM

A complete tech drift but.

I obviously don't understand mudcat technology as the thread above appears under the heading "Sidmouth Closed" when I thought I typed "The Olympics & Sidmouth Festival".

I can explain that one to you Dave. Thread creation is a 2 step process here. That is common with most relational database solutions as the details of the thread and of the posts that relate to that thread will be in seperate tables. They get joined by a related field (in this case it looks to be called threadid - incedentally thats how a post gets moved, change that number and a post becomes part of a different thread to a user).

On Mudcat, the 2 step process is visible (a system like mine at the Annexe makes 2 steps look as one - it does the work in the background rather than needing 2 submits). In the first step here, you created the thread and gave the thread the title "Sidmouth Closed" in the second step having created the thread you make the first post and posts here allow a Subject. On that you entered "The Olympics & Sidmouth Festival" and that can be seen by looking at the subject of your first post.

If you look at all the subsequent posts, they revert to "Sidmouth Closed" because they take the default from the original thread title.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Sandy Bell
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:47 PM

Cllr is of course from the same Tory party as Hugo Swire.

But it's never too late to see the light so maybe Cllr will defect.

P.S. What a good post from Herga Kitty.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:49 PM

Should add, the other common approach is a single step one in which the first message or post belongs to the thread table. Think message and replies...


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Subject: mexico
From: mindblaster
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:10 PM

I didn't realise you could change subject!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Cllr
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 04:37 AM

defect to a party that introduced the new PEL I dont think so. Cllr


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 04:49 AM

Has anybody thought about folk 'raves' where loads of people turn up without prior notice, and hold an event with morris sides, and mummers, and all other sorts of traditional stuff? If it's not centred on one building and is on common land, what can they do, who can they prosecute?
Giok


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: MBSLynne
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 05:40 AM

Cool idea Giok! I've been saying we should all rise up and rebel and that sounds like a good way to do it!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,FAE Member
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 06:18 AM

The article about The Sidmouth International Festival "closing" appears in a newsletter produced largely by Steve Heap so I guess he knows what he's talking about.

One interesting point which nobody else seems to have picked up on yet is the reference to the International Festival closing due to increasing regulation of outdoor public entertainment including insurance and licensing issues.

If they contributed largely to the demise of the International Festival then surely the individuals trying to put a Folk Week together this summer will face the same issues and problems?

As they don't even have the £60,000 public funding which Steve Heap enjoyed presumably they will face even greater problems meeting all the regulatory requirements with less funding to pay for everything?

One wonders whether the Olympics organisers will face the same problems?!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Jos
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 06:22 AM

Folk raves as well as a festival - maybe, but most morris sides would be too booked up in the summer for such spontaneity.

Folk raves to replace festivals would be to give in to people like the man who was serving me in the electrical shop near the Radway (the one with a display of festival photographs in the window) last year when the Sheffield giants went past. The fury and venom he displayed really took me aback - words such as 'idiots', 'holding up the traffic' [to me they seemed to be going faster than the usual traffic], and 'Why don't they stay in the fields where they belong?'


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,raver
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 06:56 AM



wouldn't this be prevented under the Criminal Justice Bill, just like ordinary raves?


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 07:20 AM

No. Ravers are very welcome in Sidmouth, if they had more raves maybe the festival wouldn't have closed.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,raver
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 07:29 AM

Thanks thats good to know


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 09:17 AM

this is a race isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Syd muth
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 11:06 AM

we're winning!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 11:31 AM

quick lizzies comming hide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,syd muth
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 11:33 AM

sorry forgot to put my name


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 11:37 AM

aw where is she?????????????????


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Sy d'mouf
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 01:04 PM

I fang you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 02:31 PM


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 09:56 AM

Are the olympics coming to Sidmouth then?


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Subject: RE: The Olympics & Sidmouth Festival
From: GUEST,mystic cid
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 01:20 PM

yes


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: MBSLynne
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 02:14 PM

Ah Robbie...as a newcomer you wouldn't know that the 'Olympics' have been to Sidmouth before! I can't remember which year it was, but one of the Olympics years there were 'Marine Olympics' in the sea in front of the Bedford. I'm not sure if that was what led to Marine Morris, which happened for several years, with lots of Morris Sides dancing in the sea. That in turn led to the Middle Bar Singers parading down and into the sea and singing, which, though Marine Morris has long gone, we still do.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Maurice Mareena
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 06:56 AM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:08 AM

Why would any one post empties to keep this title at top of the page?
Guest, as always.
Saddo!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Marathon - LIve Report
From: GUEST,Honest Syd best odds available
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 09:35 AM

and the closed thread moves to the top of the page who will win this thrilling race? open alive and happening is fighting back but positive seems to be struggling


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 09:40 AM

WHAT THE TOWN!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 10:26 AM

well it is sunday


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Positve
From: GUEST,bonny
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:03 AM

who is going to be there?


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Subject: RE: Free the Sidmouth Festival
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:16 AM

im skint


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,fed up
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:49 AM

Can't you guys just let this one go?


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:11 PM

why?


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:15 PM

Why do you think there are more than one of these sad bastards?


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Subject: RE:The Olympics & Sidmouth Festival
From: GUEST,,WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:52 AM

I'm SOOOOO excited by this, just think of the opening!!!!!!!!!

Morris dancers, music, colour, meetings, marathons, beer!!!!!!!!!!

mmmmmmmm sexy athletes mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Flags, torches, more music, I CANT WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Tam the man
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:06 PM

to Guest Fed up,

NO we won't if you wont the this to close then DON'T POST ANY MESSAGES ON IT.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Tam the man
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:07 PM

I don't even know where Sidmouth is except it's in Englandshire somewhere.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:35 PM

its at the mouth of the sid, i think its moving though


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,joy
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:33 PM

We're being watched!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:17 PM

Hey, I love Lizzie's logic. An attack on the misrepresentation of the changes to Sidmouth Festival becomes an attack on Sidmouth 2005.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST,Lizzie Watcher
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:32 PM

Looks like Lizzie is posting lots of messages under GUEST names again... just so she can then answer herself and appear as Sidmouth's saviour.

What a sad person she must be.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:27 PM

wwwhooooooooooooooooossshhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Dave Earl
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 08:47 AM

Lizzie Watcher(Guest)

I don't know what she does elsewhere but Lizzie never posta as guest here.

The next time you want to make a point here please make sure you can be identified. either by registering with Mudcat or putting in your name.

Dave Earl


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 11:26 AM

dave you should maybe have a look at what she posts elsewhere and you would understand how she creates such turmoil shes been banned from longdogs and shes almost finished the radio 2 board sidmouth is becoming a joke thanks to her a lot of local residents dont like the festival i think shes one of them trying to finish it off


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: Dave Earl
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 11:57 AM

"i think shes one of them trying to finish it off"

You think what you like just don't expect every one round here to agree with you.

It seems you read my earlier post and still chose to remain anon.

Why? It is easy enough to add your name to your post.

Dave Earl


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Closed
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 02:02 PM

Guest,

I did just that and had a look at Longdogs, because like Lizzie I am a big SOH fan. I found Lizzie's name there among the list of members but no anonymous guests.

Curiously I also found none of these totally negative, unfriendly and detructive postings. Perhaps that's because there are no anonymous guests. I seem to remember Lizzie being slagged off on one of her earlier positive threads for being a fan of SOH but then again as you hide behind your anonimity your consistency is not reiewable so you might be a legitimate member of the sote for SOH fans, just hiding.


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