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Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song

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CLAUDE DALLAS
FOUR RODE BY
FOUR STRONG WINDS
RED VELVET
SOMEDAY SOON
SONG FOR CANADA
SPRINGTIME IN ALBERTA
SUMMER WAGES


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Mr. BEEF
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:12 PM

personnally i like the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: dianavan
Date: 14 May 05 - 09:40 PM

Scollin thru this thread was a medley! Wow - I hope Canadians keep pumping out the tunes. I can't imagine a memory without Ian and Sylvia or Leonard Cohen or Valdy or Joni Mitchell or Ronnie Hawkins or...

Beautiful songs!


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 14 May 05 - 08:51 AM

"I'm Movin' On" was #34 on the list. See the link in the first posting in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: number 6
Date: 14 May 05 - 12:39 AM

How about "I'm movin on" by Hank Snow!

sIx


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Will A Scot
Date: 14 May 05 - 12:21 AM

I'm a poor excuse for an authority on best Canadian songs, but one I would like to throw in the mix would be Hart Rouge "Danny Gaudry"


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:07 PM

Mon Pays was #30. American Woman was #5. Northwest Passage was #4. I too find Northwest Passage very moving, despite the bathos of the song turning out to be about a guy on a car trip (en route to the Vancouver Folk Festival, presumably). I think the "one warm line" is the vanishing thermal trace of a solitary warm-blooded explorer traversing a frozen landscape. It refers to the ephemeral human presence in the wilderness which IMO is the true essence and symbol of Canada--not some crummy highway or railroad.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Burke
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:50 PM

Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald is another one that is not about Canada. The boat was taking ore from one US port to another US port. The ore was probably mined in northern Minnesota.

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconson

Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:02 PM

For an Expatriot Canadian, it is Joni Mitchel's "If I had a River." or Lucie Blue Tremblay's "Tour Song", or of course, Un Canadien Errant".

For a pure poetic discription of a single aspect of Canada, "Let Me Fish off Cape St. Mary's is good. I grew up 100 miles from Cape St. Mary's. But INMHO, 'Mon Pays' by Gilles Vigneault (1965) is better.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 03:50 PM

By the criteria on the CBC website, I'd have to go with "American Woman"

50 Tracks Essential Song Criteria:

- Does it woo you with words?

"Woo" isn't the word I'd use, but the words are very powerful and memorable

- Does it move you with melody?

The rythm is more moving than the melody, but its Rock and Roll, Its supposed to be that way.

- Does it have you from the hook?

It has several excellent hooks, The repeated phrase "American Woman" the guitar vamp at the start, a very memorable guitar solo, and the twist where the "American Woman" being sung to represents the whole United States. The lines "I don't want your war machines, I don't want your Ghetto scenes" completely reframe the whole meaning of the song. A "break up" song with geopolitical overtones. Wow. It was masterful!

- Does it define a generation?

It not only defines a generation, it defines how a generation of young Canadians, and a lot of young Americans, were starting to view the US. see the lines quoted above.

- Did it create a musical revolution?

Not really, but then, neither did any other song on the list. Musical revolutions are pretty rare.


For the most essentially Canadian song, I'd go with Northwest Passage. A Canadian folk singer driving across some vast expanse of Canadian countryside thinking about the explorers of the past. What id the "One warm line?" The Railroad? The Trans Canada Highway? Canadian Identity? Canadian Unity?

More than any other song, that one gets me thinking about Canadian history and what it is to be Canadian. Canadian Railroad Trilogy is a dry history lesson in comparison.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Willie-O
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:03 AM

Didn't mean to kick your opinions around PoppaGator--yup, just having fun. The best thing about listening to 50 Tracks all winter was the arguments between the panelists.

I had actually thought about phoning in "Cold Missouri Waters" last year when they were doing 50 Tracks without a Canadian Content proviso--but it wouldn't have gotten more than a two-second audio clip, cause, again, both this year's and last year's selections were for POPULAR songs. And I'm a big fan of James Keelaghan, but however terrific a writer/performer he is, and obviously well-established on the international folkie circuit, he is sadly NOT on the popular radar. Pretty much like every other folkie singer-songwriter type whose career started after 1975. (Fire away, no doubt I'm wrong and you can dig out the discographies to prove it!)

I have this view that western writers are an entity unto themselves--in the forty-odd years of Ian Tyson's writing career, his songs have been notably about the west, and which side of the forty-ninth parallel a song was set on hasn't been made much difference. One reason his writing is so good is that he has never succumbed to any kind of flag-waving approach to songwriting...always tells a real story.   

Summer Wages is my favourite too--you can play that sucker anywhere, in a country bar or a folk club. (Maybe not at a womyn's festival, but you won't see me there anyway)

The thing about Someday Soon is that there is no one way to sing the lyrics, you have to make all these decisions--is he going to ride the rodeo and she'll follow, or can he ride but follow her, or maybe she rides the rodeo and his pa can't stand her cause he's a chauvinist patriarch who thinks she should be barefoot in the chuckwagon? This can be kind of fun but personally I don't like to think that hard.

I could go on and on, but I have to go to work instead.
Cheers
W-O


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:36 PM

And all those missing Kate & Anna McGarrigle compositions, not to mention those by the amazing Nancy White .....


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:56 PM

Blackfly Video Clip

Hi there, P/A. I see that the link I posted earlier to Wade H.'s obituary has already become obsolete. Try the link just above. There you will find (I hope) a video clip of an animation which gives a couple of verses of the song as sung by the man himself, plus another video clip of "Log Drivers' Waltz". I agree that the Digitrad midi doesn't sound much like the sung version, even if most of the notes are the same. The grassed-up version of Blackfly you located is kinda fun. I have recently added this song to my repertoire--the chords and words are in Rise Up Singing. Bob.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 06:05 AM

http://www.blackflyhunt.ca/blackfly[1](1).mp3

I searched all night and found the above link.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:27 PM

The Black Fly song was mentioned by Bob the Postman in this thread.
I recall a "folkie" who sang that song in Dublin in the 60's and I haven't heard it since. I have checked out the Lyrics in Digitrad but the "Midifile" there does not sound anything like the air that he sang. Can anyone verify that the midifile (in Digitrad) is the correct air to this song?


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Severn
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:41 PM

The wounds of Mary Ellen shall be cauterized again!!!


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:06 PM

Point taken, Keelo (a few messages up). Still, oughta be room in the top 50
for Hillcrest Mine, or Red River Rising, says I.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:38 AM

How could they not inclue "Mary Ellen Carter" by Stan Rogers.   Summerfolk ends each festival with this song.    How many other songs on the list have a festival dedicated to that song?


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: John Hardly
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:39 AM

best new music from Canada -- The Duhks


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Keelo
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:12 AM

"I'm astonished that there's nothing by James Keelaghan in the top 50,
and I'm astonished that I'm the first to point that out here. Surely
Cold Missouri Waters deserves a place."

Greetings,

While I'm Canadian, that song is about an American and an event that took place in the USA. So I don't consider it a "Canadian" songe per se.

Cheers,

Keelo


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:31 AM

Can I put in a word for Tony Cuffe's arrangement of 'When First I Went To Caledonia'? Never bettered (Sorry Martin!).


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:59 PM

Little Hawk

I gotta agree. If "Summer Wages" isn't my favorite Ian Tyson song then "Short Grass" is. I'd have to live or die on difference.

Don

or maybe its "Wild Geese"


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Severn
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:21 PM

Shouldn't this poll be entitled "50 Strong Whims?"



Severn


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:37 PM

"Summer Wages" is a brilliant song. No doubt about it.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,mkebenn@work
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:06 PM

My vote for best Tyson song is "Summer Wages", hands down, and them ain't no 'merican names in thar. I also think "Someday Soon" is a stronger if different song the way he wrote it as opposed to Judy's "missing my boy friend" reading. Mike


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:50 AM

okay... maybe I am too young (36) or not been listening to this style of music long enough, or maybe it is just a regional thing... but I have never heard of the song Canadian Railroad Trilogy. Anyone know of where I might find this on this inflammation highway? not just lyrics (that part's easy!)...

Brian


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Peter T.
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:23 AM

It is history, it happened -- no railroad, no country, that is just the way it was. It was a romantic dream, captured. The thing that makes it work is the intercutting of the natural scene with the bustling of the railroad workers -- it paints the vast backdrop and the dreams, toil, and inspiration of the human beings.

If you had to pick one song for a space capsule that said Canada, it would be CRT, for better or worse.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 03:56 AM

In the early 70s, we used to play both CRT and FSW in bars and coffee joints in the Mid Atlantic states. Guys liked CRT, girls liked FSW, but everybody listened to both. CRT makes a stronger statement for Canada, whether one likes the environmental impact or not. The Edmund Fitzgerald is too much a niche song to make it any higher on this list.

Allan


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 01:09 AM

I'm astonished that there's nothing by James Keelaghan in the top 50,
and I'm astonished that I'm the first to point that out here. Surely
Cold Missouri Waters deserves a place.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Rob Smyth
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 08:31 PM

From Australia, a long way away but having more than a little in common with Canada culturally, the greatest Canadian songs are:

Acadian Driftwood (the Band), Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot), Four Strong Winds (Ian & Sylvia), Suzanne, The Stranger Song, Famous Blue Raincoat, Seems So Long Ago Nancy and many other songs by Leonard Cohen.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:35 PM

Everybody but Clinton seems to adore Canadian Railroad Trilogy. Thirty five years ago I was in awe of this song but now I'm not so sure. First off, there's some kinda bad poetry in there: wild majestic mountains, song of the future, teardrops and toil. But my main problem with CRT is the central thesis--that the impact of industrial capitalism on this fair land is something to be celebrated rather than deplored. The green dark forests were plenty real, and full of sound for those with ears to hear, even before we white men arrived with our vaunted wheels. If I were king, every time they played CRT they'd also have to play, for instance, Buffy St. Marie's Now That The Buffalo's Gone. CRT is still an amazing, moving composition, but it's a case of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 05:15 PM

One of the great Canadian songs by a non-Canadian is Canadian Whiskey by Tom Russell.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: DonMeixner
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:33 PM

Regards Some Day Soon, John Stewart did this with The Kingston Trio quite effectively. I have done it the same way and never felt awkward or out of place.

I am a young man (and) so you'll know

My age is twenty one,

I come from down in Southern Colorado,

I'm just out of the service and looking for my fun

But Some day soon she'll be with me Some day soon.

Her parents can not stand me cuz I ride the Rodeo,

Her father says that I will leave her cryin'

But I would follow her right down the roughest rode I know...


It is mostly first person from the masculine perspective from this point on. I don't see this is a big deal.

Don


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: PoppaGator
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

Yo, Willie-O,

Since I'm the source of all but one of the questions you just quoted, I figger I should say something.

RE: "Someday Soon" ~ I first heard it from Ian and Sylvia, and really loved it. That was years before the cover version came out, of course, but I still hear the original rendition in my mind. But you're right, it's set in the US, not Canada, which probably means something in this context. Incidentally, I was reminded about it fairly recently by hearing an excellent perfomance by a male singer, Mudcatter Jed Marum. Some of the lyric-adaptation can be a bit awkward, but it's such a great melody and great song, who cares?

Sorry I only read the top ten, as shown here in this thread, and didn't go to the link to review the entire list. Sue me!

As for the rest of it, what the hell, I was just making conversation. I'm taking the attitude that that's all you're up to, too.

;^)


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 03:57 PM

All I can say is I hope the best is yet to come.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Willie-O
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:16 PM

>"Four Strong Winds" is OK, but I would have expected to see "Someday >Soon" listed first among Ian & Sylvia songs.

But you'd be wrong, wouldn't you? Mostly because although an Ian Tyson song, it is associated with Judy Collins, and like many of Tyson's compositions, it is full of American place names. It just sounds better with Judy singing it. (I have sung it a lot actually, but it's hard to make the gender switches sound natural). And realistically, her version is most significant for introducing pedal steel to mainstream radio.

>Among Gordon Lightfoot compositions, why not "Edmund Fitzgerald" >before "Early Morning Rain"?

Because it's boring I guess. Lightfoot was the only performer to have three songs on the list, aside from Rain and Railroad Tril, "Sundown" aka The Ballad Of Cathy Evelyn Smith Before She Killed John Belushi was farther back there.

>Nobody likes "In the early morning rain"?

Early Morning Rain is NUMBER TEN on the list. Do people not read before they post any more?

>Also, I have to wonder how difficult it must have been to pick one >or two individual numbers from the Joni Mitchell songbook.

Not at all. Enough people picked the ones they remembered and liked the most...Both Sides Now and Big Yellow Taxi. Not rocket science folks!

>Another great bit of Canadian songwriting from the Folk Scare >Era: "Child's Song," recorded and popularized by Tom Rush but >written by a Torontonian whose name escapes me.

Murray McLauchlan of course. He wrote a lot of good songs, but if he had made the list it would have been for "Farmer's Song" or possibly "Down By The Henry Moore". Farmer's Song would have qualified as "popular, essential and Canadian" by virtue of being a Top 40 hit on AM commercial and country radio--a rare achievement in 1975.

>Any why nothing by The Band? Are they disqualified by the presence >of Levon, who made them only 4/5 Canadian?

"The Weight" weighed in, as has been mentioned. Read the friggin list before complaining about what's on it.

As for qualifying as Canadian, I believe they used the standard formula that legally defines Canadian content for radio play: must have at least two of:

  1. lyrics by a Canadian
  2. music by a Canadian
  3. performer Canadian
  4. recorded in Canada


We have had to think about this kind of stuff way too much.

Wade Hemsworth was mentioned by a number of callers, but did not make the list. Remember, the song would have had to be popular, AND be associable with a particular decade to get enough votes.
It's not a measure of quality. Rick Fielding didn't make the list either.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:11 PM

Just to throw a little LESS emphasis on this list... remember that top three are only separated by a hundred or so votes, with the highest vote getter having about 3800 or so votes (i don't have the page in front of me now), and only 4% of the total vote. In other words, in a series of surveys, these are some of the essential Canuckian tunes. This also is not a one-vote-per-person survey, where folks could vote for multiple songs, or for one song multiple times.... it does provide for good chatter though :-)

Brian


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:10 PM

I love both the songs mentioned, Four Strong Winds and CRT but I must say that this appears to be a Toronto and points west of there list. Where is The Wonderful Rita MacNeil and her song "Working Man"? Or Her Flying On Your Own ? Where are The Rankins, Laura Smith, Great Big Sea , Lenny Gallant ? It seems to me that Rita alone should have at least three songs on the list. But if you look at the panelists, they are mostly, although not all, Toronto based. Too Bad, because they missed out on some great stuff...maybe the country is just so big that it all can't be seen from Bloor Street.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:45 PM

Well, it sort of depends on what you mean by folk music. The "real original" folk music has been issued in box sets from the CBC from time to time (that is, music fron Newfoundland - B.C. from 1650+). There have also been a number of beautiful box sets of Quebec music (I have one mammoth 5 disc thing). There are also some important surveys carried out by Folkways (e.g. Ken Peacock).

Anglo Folkie records would be different -- e.g. a recent 4 disc set from Vanguard of Ian and Sylvia; the reissuing of the early Gordon Lightfoot albums, etc.

yours,

Peter T


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 10:51 AM

Okay.

If I wanted to buy the 10 quintessial, most important, most defining, albums of Canadian folk, what would I buy?

This is serious, 'cause I'll do it -- for the library I run.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,bobad
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 09:08 PM

Hey Geddy

What you smokin man.

Take a look at the list again, specifically no.33 and no.48.

BTW no.33 sucks,IMO.

b


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,Geddy Lee
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 08:52 PM

Not a single Rush song! Rigged eh?


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST,bobad
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 04:03 PM

Guest

"Child's Song" written by Murray McLaughlin a singer/songwriter who did not make the list but should have IMO.

The Band is at no.15 for "The Weight".

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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 12:06 PM

"Four Strong Winds" is OK, but I would have expected to see "Someday Soon" listed first among Ian & Sylvia songs.

Among Gordon Lightfoot compositions, why not "Edmund Fitzgerald" before "Early Morning Rain"?

Also, I have to wonder how difficult it must have been to pick one or two individual numbers from the Joni Mitchell songbook.

Another great bit of Canadian songwriting from the Folk Scare Era: "Child's Song," recorded and popularized by Tom Rush but written by a Torontonian whose name escapes me.

Any why nothing by The Band? Are they disqualified by the presence of Levon, who made them only 4/5 Canadian?

Of course, I ain't Canadian, so my opinion has limited relevance, to say the least.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 09:07 AM

given the nature of the list as "essentially Canadian", I'd certainly substitute "Urge For Goin'" for the "Big Yellow Taxi" choice (if there must be a JM song in the list).


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 08:58 AM

I'd include Stan's "Macdonell on the heights," but that's for personal reasons. "Northwest Passage" is it.

Nobody likes "In the early morning rain"?

And there's also Stan's "Barrett's Privateers", which I've heard called "the greatest party song ever written, lots better than "Louie Louie."

"Cape St. Mary" and "Squid Jiggin' Ground" are also two of my fave raves. And let's not forget "Mary L. McKay."


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 28 Mar 05 - 07:41 AM

Another for Canadian Railroad Trilogy. I have to agree that it is in a league of it's own. I would also include Acadian Driftwood by The Band.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: paddymac
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 11:41 PM

Thanks for the edjamacation, Clay T. I didn't read that anywhere, though, I got the story from a saddle-maker client who has been a friend of Ian's for quite some time. He (my friend) is travelling that final slope at present, so I can't be too abrasive about it, but I will , er, pursue the question appropriately. It's also possible I just misunderstood.


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds (Clinton)
From: GEST
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 09:20 PM

How about Wade Hemsworth's The I'm Alone and Wild Goose?


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 03:49 PM

"Log Driver's Waltz" I know... But that's the extent of it....


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Subject: RE: Four Strong Winds Top Canadian Song
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 03:36 PM

In case you aren't kidding, Clinton, Wade Hemsworth is the guy who wrote the Black Fly song. Here is a link to his obituary


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