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BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?

GUEST 17 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM
GUEST,Art Thieme 17 Feb 05 - 09:00 PM
Little Hawk 17 Feb 05 - 09:54 PM
Dewey 20 Feb 05 - 02:13 AM
Dewey 20 Feb 05 - 02:23 AM
Little Hawk 20 Feb 05 - 10:35 AM
Amos 20 Feb 05 - 10:43 AM
Little Hawk 20 Feb 05 - 11:06 AM
dianavan 20 Feb 05 - 07:44 PM
Dewey 22 Feb 05 - 01:56 AM
Amos 22 Feb 05 - 08:46 AM
Cluin 22 Feb 05 - 09:19 AM
Cluin 22 Feb 05 - 09:31 AM
mack/misophist 22 Feb 05 - 11:22 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM

Dewey, I would have PMed you the following if the forum's tech glitches were not currently preventing me.

It's been said by many Christian writers that the fear of the occult is, itself, occult. Meaning that a preoccupation with that, or with "battling" it, is itself an instance of evil in operation-- with which one need not engage, at all. Their recommendation is usually to let go of the worry, to claim one's identity in Christ, and to get back to doing His work and being praiseful (internally). And I can tell you from personal experience, this works. You cannot be negative while at the same time being genuinely grateful and praiseful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 09:00 PM

Joe Campbell said once that Satan was God's greatest worshiper. That because he chose to go to hell rather than...

And I can't recall the rest of the equation. Anyone out there recall this at all?

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 09:54 PM

That's an interesting shift in perception on your part, Dewey. I did not particularly identify with the general thrust of Napoleon Hill's book, so it didn't really grab me. He seemed to have too much focus on being a "success" in life, something that strikes me as relatively meaningless. I never finished reading it.

I have read some other material, however, that did. If you act out of Love you are in accord with the Spirit of God. If you act out of Fear, you are not. It's that simple. Love is based on Truth, Fear is based on illusion. (And I'm not talking about using normal common sense and taking sensible safety precautions when I use the word "fear"...)

All the spiritual wisdom in the World is not confined to the Bible, and indeed the Bible has been much edited and tampered with by the early Christian church authorities...mostly to secure their worldly power and control their congregations.

I do not believe that Jesus intended to found a religion at all...nor to turn himself into an exclusive idol to be worshipped. He intended to show people the way to personal salvation in this World. He set the living example of Love and Forgiveness, so that others could follow it. Fear does not forgive. Nor does it Love. It seeks and demands punishment. It expects damnation (particularly for those it deems to be its enemies). It shows little or no mercy. It judges and condemns. It is jealous and vindictive. It retaliates for imagined slights. It believes in guilt. Love does none of these things. Love can set you and others free.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 02:13 AM

The "ascended masters" currently live in Tibet. They have channeling schools in the U.S. Somewhere close to 20,000 members in each school.
They are filled with business executives and success gurus, most multi-millionaires, and the famous including politicans.

Run a Google search of Ascended Masters, followed by any of the following authors, Anthony Robbins, Deepok Chopra, Wayne W. Dyer, Stephen Covey etc.

An ascended master can telepathically channel his/her students in various countries around the world, direct head to head contact through the aid of the Master Mind (see Mastermind Principle is Napolean Hill's Book: Think and Grow Rich)

Some of the students of these Ascended Masters have websites that read the following:

WRITTEN BY ST. GERMAINE CHANNELED THROUGH THE BRAIN OF STUDENT SO AND SO (FOR EXAMPLE)

The student works with an Ascended Master, and the ascended master feeds off and directs the brain power of the student providing direct dialouging capacity through the channeling of a specific master.

Some of the best selling books of all time, by some of the most famous auothers have been channeled through the means of a specific Ascended Master.

YOU MAY ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS, THE ANSWER: BECAUSE THE AUTHORS OF THESE BOOKS ADMIT THAT THEIR BOOKS WERE CHANNELED FROM AN ASCENDED MASTER. LOOK IT UP! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME! GO TO THEIR WEBSITES.

TYPE IN ASCENDED MASTERS FOLLOWED BY THE AUTHOR!

There are channeling maps, to channeling a specific ascended master in a specific location throughout the country.

Lord Maitreya might telepathically send his messages to the pacific northwestern united states for the Montana Based School, St Germaine might telepathically channel to the Chicago area etc.

There are what is known as, "The Golden Cities", certain areas where telepathic signals are more prevalent for certain desired purpose of the Ascended masters.

The Ascended masters have a higher master, The "master of masters" of them all is Lord Maitreya. He is said to be "the Christ" whose pupose is his to bring a message of peace a hope to the world.

The purpose of the telepathy schools is to raise the consciousness of everyone.

The goal of the Maitreya:

1. Unity of All religions, through the telepathic instruction to various consciouness schools around the world. (the schools are telepathical placed in Golden City areas of the nation for spritual instruction,

2. Heighten Consciousness throughout the planet: the purpose is to raise the general consciouness of the planet (telepathically) to welcome and prepare for the Maitreya (master of masters otherwise known as THE CHRIST... please note what the maitreya calls himself) THIS IS ALREADY GOING ON PEOPLE SO WAKE UP. RIGHT NOW ON THE INTERNET YOU CAN PAY ONE OF THESE GROUPS $1000.00 and YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A GOLDEN CITY SCHOOL AND RECIEVE A TELEPATHIC CHENNELING FROM ONE OF THESE MASTERS.

3. Peace

Through various wars throughout the planet. Atheism promotion, to disgruntle the Christian population, followed by war between the chistians, follow by the pure doctrine of Lucifer (funded by Lucis Trust, who's goal is also to control the world's food and water supply. The maiteya will telepathically inform the world of his powers, thorugh the various schools, declaring himself to be "the Christ" and will usher in an era of unified peace and oneness of purpose

Type the following is your search engine ascended master followed by a success author, celebtrity etc.

Type in also: Golden City Schools, Mystery Schools. Maitreya, Benjamin Creme.

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 02:23 AM

Type is Golden City Maps, Mystery schools, Maitreya, Ascended Masters, Benjamin Creme.

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:35 AM

Uh-huh. Fine. What is bad about that? Jesus was an ascended master. So were Buddha and Krishna. There have always been a few ascended masters around, and there always will be. They have always sought peace and unification of humanity on this planet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:43 AM

Besides, Dewey, there are lots of conditions that may LOOK like "channeling from an ascended master" that are actually one or another form of whacko dramatization. This is like taking a string and a safety-pin, tying them to a stick and putting a dead worm on the pin, dropping it into a mud-puddle, and announcing that you will shortly be catching a whale.

Even a popular belief with lots of assertions behind it can be false. Your own self-reliant critical examination is a much more powerful and reliable source of such information than a bunch of literature from wannabe saviors.

Personally I am very much in favor of mind to mind communicatios, but I don't think it should be used for domination. That's just another tired old form of suppression and the desire to control others.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:06 AM

Oh here's another suggestion. People have a way of making their mind up about something...and then looking around for supporting evidence. They will always find plenty of that, because their minds are made up already! :-)

Simply decide that there is going to be an "Anti-Christ". Lock that notion into your emotional structure. Then start looking! By golly, you will find evidence of it everywhere! :-)

This is a recipe for paranoia, and I cannot see how it will be of any benefit to improving one's grasp of spirituality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 07:44 PM

Dewey - There is good and evil but not everything can be put into neat little categories. Not everything is black or white. There are many shades of grey. Most of the time, we hover in the grey area.

You can look at anything as either positive or negative. A few days ago, I almost died. I can dwell on the pain or I can say I am glad to be alive. I can feel that I was lucky or I can feel angry that my plans have been curtailed indefinitely. My feelings fluctuate but I have control over my response to any given situation. So do you.

I liked the analogy of the feast. Its all there but by your own will, you decide what you will ingest. Thats called free will.

Nobody will give you any definite answers. Part of your life's journey is to find an answer inside yourself. There will be people along the way to guide you but trust your feelings. If it feels 'ick', it probably is 'ick'.

Seek the light.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 01:56 AM

No Little Hawk,

First came my awareness of my own consciousness with the aid of thought adjusters (transcendant beings guiding my sub-conscious thoughts)

These were telepathic beings capable of retrieving information from the source (the source being the ascended masters)

The ascended master dwell beyond the plan of the physical and pyschic, they are the beings that Communicated by direct dialouging capacity to Napolean Hill in his last book, "Grow Rich With Peace of Mind"

They are the ascended beings that work and guide the principle of the Mastermind, the mastermind is the universal mind that channels all energies and thoughts. The ascended masters are beyond conscious experience and dwell in the domain of the infinite capacity.

As such they have become one with the Light (lucifer the lightbearer) They are from the supreme council of the 33rd degree, Mention not only in Masonic Literature, but by Naploean Hill as well in Grow Rich with Peace of Mind. (whose book and instruction taught me to communicate with these higher beings who introduced themselves to me on many occasion in my automatic writing, and showed me by example and through my consciouness how to expand my mind powers so as to be able to interact with the Mastermind, the Miatreyic Council of the 33rd Degree, also known as the ascended masters.

They are the top of the Masonic Pyramid, the all seeing eye, capable of movement in and out of any plane in the pyschical, biological and spritual this is why they have the capability of astral projection, intergrated mind telepathy with your consciousness as well and the mastermind that directs ALL conscious activities to meaningfulintergrated conclusions.

What none of you seem to understand is that these beings are part of the New World Order, which is alread firmly established in Government and throughouth the mystery schools, they are channeling and self-actualizing the supreme mission of the Maitreya (anti-christ) as we speak.

The mystery schools are already here and their Goal is to raise the consciouness of the planet to prepare the way for the coming of Maitreya (the Christ)

Salvation according to the Lord Maitreya website at www.maitreya.org is recieved through being one with the "light" and ascending into the "light" this is through becoming a self-actualized God, and I am NOT paraphrasing this definition is from the maitreya's own website.

Salvation of the soul is found through the Second Coming (Actualization) of the Lord Maitreya (the christ) In new age terms this is directly called attaining quote "CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS" The Christ is found through oneness and coming and ascending into the light, through this evelation will come world consciousness, and world peace everlasting, and these are the Maitreya own words at www.maitreya.org that mention this method God attained self actualization method to self salvation and world peace.

It is also interesting to note that the Maitreya wishes to impersonate himself as, "The Christ" Notice also at www.maitreya.com. Higher and above any other being, the MASTER OF MASTERS.

Some questions for those of you who do not believe the Bible and see it only as an effort tool of the Church fathers to control the ignorant masses of of the working poor of past ages.

Why would the great poliicians, leader's and religious groups thoroughout the world choose to join these secert societies, to study these ancient mysteries on such subjects as Alchemy, Wizards, Sorcery, Divination, Withcraft, Pagan Rites, Astrology, Re-incarnation, Mysticism, Channeling etc. If there weren't some soruce of power they wer gleaning from these eperiences and the collective consciousness that results

1/3 of our goverment is currently working in the New age Movement and the Masonic Order.

Of these most of not all dislike or disbelieve Christianity, yet they set at the head of there authority and power, "The Christ"(Maitreya)

Why even have a christ as your highest most lord of world power and consciousness, when you don't even believein him or practice his teachings.

Why the impostership over something and someone that the highly educated and elite do not believe in and worship anyway.

And why the need of this higher deity to call himselfthe christ in this day and time of reason, unless there wasn't an actuakl christ that he himself, and the entire world would have to contend with?

Why not just make William Shatner the God of everything. Why specifically target the name of Jesus and imposter him.

Folks! I've always believed in Jesus Christ deep down in my heart. There were times when education made me think otherwise.

But now our times reflect the evidence of his presence. Why would so many educated and scientific people, join these secret socities and new world order, if in the process these highly educated people would put an otherwise mystical "Christ" as their source of power?

A Christ!

By the educated and elite of this world!

Albeit a FALSE CHRIST!

But never the less their source is still a "Christ"

Can any ofyour here now doubt why in MY heart I choose to believe in the REAL ONE.

When all of these so called educated and powerful elite of our society choose to believe in the CHRIST of this world.

The anti-christ is real and is here RIGHT NOW.

He is all powerful, and is the prince of this world. But the real Christ is more powerful than him, and he will rule me and you and everything in this world forever and ever.

Just be ready when he comes,
And don't be too impressed by all that you see coming down the pike right now, It is nothing compared to what is about to happen.

Dewey

P.S.

I didn't get this info from any conspiracy sight, or bible thumping fanactics.

I got it from Napolean Hill, Grow Rich With Peace of Mind

I got it from pushing in the term "ascended master" and being directed to these established new age schools (which Napolean Hill talks about)

And lastly I got it from my own ascended master that has been channeling me, See my blog (which I no longer write) at http://believersguide.blogspot.com.

I believed, So I got this guide from reading Napolean Hill's think and grow rich. Hence the name of the site, "Believersguide"

This guide leads you to afflunece and perfection of every detail and event in your life. It will give you every great blessing and benefit imaginable, if you don't believe me, just look at the name of those that endorse the book from the Rockefeller's to the Rothchild's to the Carnegie's, the majority of which were also ascended masters engaged in high ordered telepathy and remote viewing.

Yes the world was theirs yet end the end they choose to join the pricne of this world and sold their souls in the process.

Not at all the great success, that you would think that might ahve become in the end.

The antichrist is coming folks so whatever it is you seek: fortune, God, Oneness, World peace, it isn't worth price you get in this life for the things in the next life that are to come for all that trust and believe in the living God, not the one of death void and nothingness.

Napolean Hill says at the end of his book, "IN the end nothing really matters,"

If this in the end is postive thinking......

it is NOT for me, Because in the end everything DOES matter, including one' soul, and nothing is more precious and of greater value than one's soul.


Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:46 AM

Dewey,

You really must find some kindred souls to talk to about all this.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:19 AM

Didn't they all chop their nuts off and catch a ride on Halley's Comet a few years ago?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:31 AM

And Art, I believe Campbell was referring to the Islamic story that Satan was God's greatest servant and that when God ordered the angels to serve and bow to man, Lucifer wanted to keep serving God and for his disobedience was banished from Heaven. One tradition concentrates on the pride of Lucifer, but another emphasizes the great love he had for God. "Go to Hell!" was a curse for it removed him from the presence of his greatest love, and Satan blamed mankind for his fall, and thus the malevolence towards humankind.

IIRC


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:22 PM

Amos already said this but let me put it a little differently.

I've been told that Ignatius Loyola once said something along the lines of this: 'If you ever feel the hand of god (fate, karma, an ascended master- whatever you want to call it),working in your life to accomplish something, the only correct thing to do is to ignore it. To begin with, you're probably wrong. It could easily be ego or a simple misunderstanding. Or it could be the 'other side' trying to fool you. If it's truly god, or whatever, you could fight it with all your might and it sould still happen. God is all powerful. It doesn't need your help. So take it easy. Wait and see what happens.'

If any one can identify the source of that, I'd appreciate it. It may be Meditations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:27 PM

Exclusive thinking is what is Satanic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:11 PM

I wonder, is Dewey a standup comedian? If so He is bloody hilarious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:43 PM

Amos said: Dewey,

You really must find some kindred souls to talk to about all this.


I'd recommend a psychiatrist.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:54 PM

The name Lucifer for Satan does NOT appear in the bible. The only Lucifer mentioned is the Lightbearer, the planet Venus, if I remember correctly. Wasn't Dante the first to name the devil Lucifer? Any bible scholars out there?


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