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BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?

Dewey 11 Feb 05 - 04:12 PM
Dewey 11 Feb 05 - 04:16 PM
GUEST,? 11 Feb 05 - 04:28 PM
Teresa 11 Feb 05 - 04:38 PM
CarolC 11 Feb 05 - 04:46 PM
Dewey 11 Feb 05 - 04:53 PM
Peace 11 Feb 05 - 04:56 PM
Dewey 11 Feb 05 - 04:57 PM
CarolC 11 Feb 05 - 05:02 PM
Amos 11 Feb 05 - 05:31 PM
GUEST,Jon 11 Feb 05 - 06:05 PM
John O'L 11 Feb 05 - 06:09 PM
Amos 11 Feb 05 - 06:10 PM
GUEST,Jon 11 Feb 05 - 06:26 PM
Catherine Jayne 11 Feb 05 - 06:32 PM
Little Hawk 11 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Feb 05 - 07:30 PM
Little Hawk 11 Feb 05 - 08:02 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Feb 05 - 08:11 PM
Peace 11 Feb 05 - 08:23 PM
Little Hawk 12 Feb 05 - 06:19 PM
greg stephens 12 Feb 05 - 06:34 PM
Little Hawk 12 Feb 05 - 06:43 PM
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Little Hawk 12 Feb 05 - 07:01 PM
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Little Hawk 13 Feb 05 - 05:00 PM
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Subject: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:12 PM

Hi Guys! Its Dewey Again. I've been researching the Collective Conscious Universal Mind on the Internet. No matter what I choose to put into the search engines I always get back the same infomation on this subject, namely, the New World Order, Sorcery, Divination, Paganism, Human Sacrifices, Witchcraft, Various Secret societies, Alchemy, Shamanism etc.

PLus, every sight I go to relating to this topic either uses a Satanic or NWO symbol to express itself.

I don't desire to be re-incarnated into a great ball of nothingness, if you get my drift , merely because my mind is in tune with an intelligence that appears to give me everything I could ever want.

Does one's positive thinking and higher instincts alway have lead back to the seeds of Lucifer and World Domination of the Occult.



Does Positive thinking always have to end up drawing on deceptive world peace, supposedly the tools of Satan.

While I do not want my Relgious ignorance to get in the way of understanding this higher form of intelligence, it direction always seems to lead into dark powers, elitism etc. and ALWAYS SATANIC SYMBOLS, whether the Freemasons, Blavatsky etc.

Help!

I've never been at bigger crossroad in my life, having now posessed the powers of my mind and the universe, but not knowing whether doing so is going to be in my long-term best interest.

Dewey (the cautious one)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:16 PM

By the way Norman Vincent Peale (father of positive thinking) was an elitist 33rd degree Mason.

Makes you REALLY wonder!

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST,?
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:28 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Teresa
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:38 PM

Oh goodness.

Ok, Christians, you may or may not want to switch to another thread here. Here come my thoughts.

I don't think positive thinking is satanic. I think satanists and satan worship is simply another aspect of Christian cultural background. Many satanists were once fundamentalist Christian, and worshiping Satan is a sort of rebellion on their part, IMO. It's a kind of reactionary religion.

Those who are Pagans (Wicca, etc) do not worship Satan as a rule, but date their belief system as pre-Judeo/Christian, and therefore pre-Satan. So Satan is moot among Pagans.

I think you just have to trust your hunches and go with what feels right. Analyzing it too much can be an obstacle to learning when it comes to faith, IMO.

Teresa


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:46 PM

Hi Dewey. I think there are a lot of people in the world who want to control other people and to control their thought processes. I think those sites you have been encountering are quite likely owned and operated by those kinds of people. You can probably substitute the word "faith" for the phrase "positive thinking" and get different results on the internet, even though the two concepts aren't all that different. With a lot of the various spiritual communities, and spiritual cultures, there seem to be certain catch-phrases and ways of saying things that tend to be used a lot. So you'll sometimes find that the specific wording you use will tend to lead you to certain kinds of sites.

Maybe when you ask your questions (from the universal mind, higher consciousness, or whatever), you'll want to put some kind of protection around yourself and specify that you want whatever information or help you get to be for the highest good of all concerned. You probably can't go to far wrong with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:53 PM

Hi Teresa!

I feel I have an open mind on religion. I just wish to know why all the people who believe in collective consciousness also believe in re-incarnation, satanic symbols, world peace, elitism etc.

I don't think you will find a single example on the internet in reguards to collective consciouness where masonic symbols are not used, and if you research it furhter, you will find everyone of these symobls are used in conjunction with higher-consciousness specifically.

These symbols always have a ritual nature and it is not always been positive, it fact it has been down right scary!

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:56 PM

The question requires rewrite. It's much like asking if nuclear power is good or bad. It is neither. The application determines whether it is positive or negative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:57 PM

Thanks Carol,

I never once had a bad experience, nightmare, entity presence or anything else. I have a faith in God and do not mess around with entities siances etc.

I already feel "protected as my purposes are not vain or selfish" nor am I seeking something from anyone or anything else that I do not already possess myself.

Thanks again!

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:02 PM

Sounds like you're in good shape then, Dewey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:31 PM

Put your faith in God, then Dewey, and use the gifts you have received. There's nothing satanic about it.

What can be satanic is mass agreement without understanding but that doesn't sound like what you're interested in.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:05 PM

There is Positive Thinking and Positive Thinking...

From a Christian angle, the idea that you are controlling anything by your positive thinking most likely would be considered satanic. On the other hand a positive thought such as "God loves me" or desiring good things for others would not be - in fact quite the opposite. The difference is in the attribution of where the power comes from.

Just one of many views. I don't think anyone can give a definate right or wrong - unless there is a God and we know him personally. I'm stuck with belief on that...

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: John O'L
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:09 PM

Dewey -
It seems to me that the groups who are most interested in control and domination for elitist reasons are very good at positioning themselves where they can most easily mislead those who are seeking genuine information.

I think you just have use your common sense to sort out the malevolent from the benevolent. As you have noticed, the're pretty easy to spot.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:10 PM

Geeze Louise, Jon!!

How come doing something with your own positive influence has to be satanic? What if God gave you that power, and wouldn't you look silly worrying about it then?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:26 PM

Amos, I didn't write the book. I'm just giving a possible interpretation of it.

I am not claiming that interpretation is right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:32 PM

Hi Dewy...why don't you post this question on this site

They may be able to give you answers from a Pagan, Witchcraft point of view too.....

Best of luck
Khatt


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM

No, positive thinking, speaking, and behaviour are anything but satanic.

Believing in duality, though, might indeed be termed "satanic" and it is that type of thinking that presupposes the existence OF Satan in the first place! :-)

(unless you take Satan as a metaphor for man's own destructive thinking, which I do...)

I'll tell you what's satanic (in effect)...divisive and hostile thinking. Thinking which pits people against one another. Preferring to be "right" than to be happy or loving. Conspiring to dominate others and control their thoughts is satanic. Thinking which identifies otheres as enemies and proposes one's own superiority or exclusivity in comparison to those others is satanic. Hatred is satanic. Jealousy is satanic. Envy is satanic. Contempt is satanic. Loathing is satanic. Condemnatory judgement of others (and self) is satanic. Recognition of moral responsibility is positive.

It can be plainly seen that various extreme zealots on BOTH sides of any war or hostile dispute are indulging in various types of extremely negative thinking.

Thinking which divides is negative. Thinking which unites is positive.   Examine the lives of Gandhi and Jesus for pointers on positive thinking.

As for the Net, Dewey, yes it is full of much negativism and wild, sensationalist stuff....some of which is probably true, much of which is not. Figuring out which is which is tricky, but whatever one decides may be true, it should not lead one to hate other people, regardless of whether one disagrees with them on some political issue or not.

It should be possible to disagree with people and still respect them...and possible to see your imperfect self in their imperfect self. If you can do that, you will feel compassion for them.

That's my take on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:30 PM

I thought positive thinking just meant things like "always look on the bright side" or "cheer up, it may never happen" , or indee "whistle while you work" and "keep smiling through", "while there's life there's hope" and indeed, "don't let the bastards grind you down"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:02 PM

Actually, that last one contains 2 thoroughly negative thoughts...

"bastards"

and being ground down...

It's not really a positive thought at all, it just sort of sounds that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:11 PM

I call it positive, because it means you aren't going to give in. Any "positive" that makes out there aren't troubles to deal with in this world is just a lie, and negative as you can get.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:23 PM

"Nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so." Listen to The Bard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:19 PM

While not wishing to consume a lot of calories arguing the point, McGrath, I suggest that you are mistaken. :-)

He who expects and seeks opponents in life finds them. He who adopts an "I'm not going to give in to the bastards" attitude is imagining himself to be under threat in life as a matter of course. He doesn't trust life or other people.

Now, he may really BE under threat sometimes, of course, in which case he must handle it in the most expeditious way possible. We can both agree on that. But it's secondary to positive thinking, which is not founded in girding oneself against the nasty World out there, but in finding positive things to do with one's time.

Gandhi didn't seek to attack the British, he sought to encourage Indians to strengthen their own national identity and independence. That's positive thinking. If he had thought in negative terms of attack, the British would have had a handy target to counterattack and destroy: a "terrorist". That would have been great for the British, and they would have been in India much longer.

Lao-Tse says that to oppose an enemy is to give it strength. To strengthen oneself instead is a much better idea.

The biggest troubles one usually faces in Life are one's own habits of negative thinking...about both self and others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:34 PM

What on earth is all this about? I'm with McGrath on this. have I strayed into some American kind of thing????


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:43 PM

I don't know. McGrath is from the UK, and I'm Canadian. Does that help? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:51 PM

Hawk maketh a subtle point, viz: to postulate that you are nto going to let the bastards grind you down means you subscribe to the beliefs in bastards who might grind you down if you didn't resist. This in turns mean you have to create the mental image of those bastards and their grinding natures, in order to detect what to resist and be sure to resist it in time. The consequence of tuning your radar to be ever-alert to grinding bastards is that you will see a lot more of them.

On the other hand if you elect to believe you are infinitely self-regenerating, instead, you don't have to worry about the Illegitimi anyway!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:01 PM

Precisely. Thou speaketh a jawful, Amos. Verily, thou shalt live long and prosper! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:21 PM

I think that if we expect most people and most life experiences to be interesting and enjoyable, they will be - and if our experiences are positive, our effect on others will be positive, too. I guess that's positive thinking.

We're fragile creatures, though. If we immerse ourselves in too much negativity, we become negative and defensive. then it's time ot come up for air, or we won't do anyboy any good.

I find I have to limit my intake of some threads around here, or at least avoid the temptation to be defensive. I think I'll stay out of the religion threads for a while.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 03:09 PM

No one in their right tree would take Mudcat advice on religion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 03:38 PM

I'm pretty positive there are some bastards out there. And I'm even more positive they won't be able to grind me down.

To quote Chesterton (quoting a little girl, he said) "An optimist is a man who looks after your eyes, and a pessimist is a man who looks after your feet."


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 04:34 PM

Dewey -- "No matter what I choose to put into the search engines I always get back the same infomation on this subject..."

Garbage in, garbage out. Still applies.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 05:00 PM

LOL! Oh, you are a nasty one, Michael... Forgive him for that, Dewey. :-)

McGrath, yes of course there are some bastards out there. Definitely. I prefer not to fixate on them too much, though. I think what it was you were indicating in your original statement was assertiveness more than positive thinking. Assertiveness in itself can be a good thing, as long as it isn't underpinned by habitual fear or hostility, masquerading as an independent mind defending itself.

Not that I'm accusing you of that. I'm just doing a philosophical analysis of possible interpretations of that one statement you made. You don't strike me as a particularly negative individual. Rather the contrary, in fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: khandu
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 05:36 PM

Positive thinking is positive.
Negative thinking is negative.

It is not godly. It is not satanic. It is human.

There is a buffet set before you. The feast is prepared. You have the choice to eat what you wish, or to not eat. Some foods are excellent for your health, some are bad for you; nonetheless, the choice belongs to you.

Enjoy the feast!!

Ken (BTW-a Christian)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 05:49 PM

Positive implies Negative, the same way North implies South.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 07:32 PM

Correct, McGrath. In a relative Universe, based on perceptions of duality, positive implies negative.

The idea about God is that God is a single, infinite Unity. Within that Unity there IS no duality, and nothing is outside that Unity...except illusion. Illusion is a matter of perception. Things are neither bad nor good until someone who sees those things as outside himself decides to rate them on a scale of his own choosing.

Relativity, therefore, is an illusion...based upon an isolated perspective that sees itself as separate from the rest of "creation". Being separate, in its own estimation, it forever divides things up into good and bad, according strictly to its own interpretation of what benefits it and what doesn't.

Relativity implies separation out of which arise both fear and desire. And there are the problems in human consciousness, in a nutshell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 07:34 PM

Positive implies Negative, the same way North implies South.

Or Norther.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 08:02 PM

No matter what I choose to put into the search engines I always get back the same infomation on this subject, namely, the New World Order, Sorcery, Divination, Paganism, Human Sacrifices, Witchcraft, Various Secret societies, Alchemy, Shamanism etc.
It's a Christian plot!**bg**

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 08:32 PM

... which reminds me positively of the Sun Dial I found installed reversed... pointing South instead of North (in the Southern Hemisphere)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: John O'L
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 08:35 PM

So then, is there duality or not?
Are we correct to view the cosmos from a personal perspective and interpret what we perceive in our own unique individual way, or should we see ourselves as an infinitely small part of a single organism that simply IS, and that's that?

Or should we do a little of both, depending on circumstances? We're only human, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 08:37 PM

Let me counter with this: "Is thinking Satanic positive?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 09:06 PM

Well, John, I think a little of both is the way to go. :-) Duality is fine as long as one wants to play the game, but it's good to be able to see beyond the game as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: John O'L
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 09:44 PM

I think you're right there, Little Hawk. This is the only way it makes sense. One does not preclude the other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 09:36 AM

As John (Marion) Wayne said

the Hhhhhhhhhhhhhell it is


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:55 AM

I read a book of complete drivel masquerading as a fantasy novel once. Can't remember the author or title. Blanked it out I think! Basicaly, small town America, things going wrong around town. Angelic spirits are 'brought in' to solve the problem as all the things going wrong are down to devils and all manner of other ghosts, ghoulies and long legged beasties. In there it suggests that ANY form of thought process other that christianity is the work of the devil! I stopped reading it when it was suggested that children of good christian families who claim they were sexualy abused are usualy suffering from demonic possesion:-(

The (ex)friend that gave it me was a christian fundementalist. I though she was OK until I realised she believed all this. After reading it I understood why she had refused to do a group 'clearing the mind' session at a training course we were on. If you have been involved in any personal development courses you will know the type of thing. Anyhow, she was frightened that if she went in for meditation or any other unchristian excercises she would be possesed.

So, in answer to Dewey's question, Yes. Some people realy do believe that positive thinking is satanic. As to the question 'Are they right?' I know my feeings. I'll leave you to yours...

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:15 AM

No, but intolerance is.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:32 AM

Why assume that Satanic is bad? How do we know who the good and bad guys are? We have only heresay to go of. Or is it heresy..?;-)

It would be a lot easier if the good guys wore white hats and the bad ones had horns and tail...

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: DougR
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 12:51 PM

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I hate it when I agree with Carol C.! (Her post at 5:02 PM Feb. 11)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:35 PM

Just think of the mental torment, Doug, if you actually got a chance to meet her and found out what a great person she is! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:41 PM

Being a great person or not isn't the point, which is about agreeing with people. (And I am in agreement with both Doug and Carol...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 02:32 AM

Napolean Hill also has a Second Book, "Grow Rich with Peace of Mind" In the back of this book he talks about the "Ascended Masters" which were guiding his every move and conscious thought sent directly into his conscious field of experience through the astroplane throughout his lifetime.

These master were responsible for his success. According to Napolean Hill, These masters were a one world brotherhood of past sages, representing each and every concieved religion. There purpose was to unite all religions and bring forth a new intergrated and peaceful one world religion and evolution to a state of higher consciousness.

Do a search engine of the Maitreya (anti-chirst) and ascended masters

These ascended masters were from varius "schools" and appeared to select individuals (the elite) across the astroplane. They were great sages from the ancient mysteries, and represented all know religions they were described by him as "the venerable botherhood of ancient india"

This is from Napolean Hill's very own book, and perfectly lines up with the Benjamin Creme's Description of the Maitrya, Freemason's, New World Order.

All these organizations talk about the "ascended masters" the "enchanted black forest" which man must pass through to reach the final illumination: which is the buddhist, "Nirvana" the highest plane in which all of mankind is united with the infinite spirit.

Also intesresting is to note that most of the famous, who are either in Napolean Hill's Famous Book or have read Napolean Hill's Famous Book (Think and Grow Rich) were also members of Freemasonry itself.

Some examples, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, Teddy Roosevelt etc.

Napolean Hill also talks about the special handshake, and secret code that the "master" appearing to him through the astoplane displayed to unto him. A code "which is known only to a few men throughout the world"

I didn't get this information, from a bunch of mis-lead ignorant bible thumpers, but from Napolean Hill's own book, Grow Rich with Peace of Mind.

Please visit:

The www.maitreya.org website.

You will see the same literally duplicate information, that Naoplean Hill take about in "Grow Rich With Peace of Mind" displayed at this sight.

As far as my esoteric writings at http://believersguide.blogspot.com, I am beginning to think they have been channeled from this un-holy force.

My writing deal with the subject of Quantum Physics, Tiime Ditribution and the unity of all thoughts, times and events, This formula leads to the manipulation of futurist events and thoughts by expanding one's and each others consciouness. This is what the freemason's do. This is why Ronald Reagan planned his press conferences at certain times, to extract the benefit that might arise from a particular wave of experience sent across the astroplane.

This is known as divination!

Look it up in your dictionary and your will find that it deals with calling on evil entities for the purpose of controlling and manipulating time for futurist events. According tothe bible (which of coarse no one here believes) this is a SIN.

Also a sin in the bible is the inpretation of dreams. I too have the ability now to interpret dreams through the aid of my sixth sense. (i.e. a dream will come to my consciousness which matches my current life experience: that little thing that infuences my consciousness, and helps me fortell on the the timeline of life what is about to transpire on the timeline because of my conscious activity and focus. And low and behold, if my mental STATE is right, the event to be fortold to me and will eventually come true, this formula also helps me to continue to plan my day, for the possiblity of infulenceing even futher consciousness.

The world under divination is one big brain and we are all tapped into it through our thoughts and consciouness expressly, for every action there is an EQUAL and OPPOSITE REACTION this is part of the serect of the ancinet mysteries which I have been unveiling in my writings..

The interpretation of dreams is also part of one of the ancient mysteries recorded in the bible. Although I am able to this in my consciousness, it was then, and is now exclusive forbidden, despite its awesome power.

This stuff is REAL folks, And so is the DEVIL!

Its just a shame, so few of you out there really believe in the devil.

Do a webster's dictionary of some of these terms, divination, sorcery, mysticism, enchantment etc.

Them return to the authors that mention these words expressly: (Norman Vincent Peale, Napolean Hill, Wayne W. Dyer, Blavatsky, Castaneda etc.)

I didn't just start this thread of the top of my head!

There is a pattern. My subconscious writtings lead me right to these terms concepts etc.

I s was serching for success, but if the Maitreyic Anti-christ of the Coming is my fate, I will rejevct the success that might follow.

And my good friend, if there really was a devil, (which I believe there IS!!!!) wouldn't you???

Check out some of this stuff. There's more to it than just panic stricken church folks.

Especially ckech out Napolean Hill's second book, Grow Rich with Peace of Mind, in which he does everything but admit the existance and coming of the Maitreya (anti-christ)

"What does it profit a man, if he gain the whole world and lose his soul, and what would a man give in exchange for his soul"

Jesus


I know you folks are probably either going to hate this post or this person's shifted position on this subject of higher consciousness. And I am sorry, but I am at a crossroad, and the picture that is emerging within the frame work of these higher mind powers that I am developing is also one that is not going intrensic self-based direction that I had intended, it is leading me into areas and subjects, that I am very unwilling to explore (unless the subject matter I am extracting begins to lead me into a different one than the one I am currently un-veiling)

Dewey (satan's former secretary)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Peace
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 02:54 AM

The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing people he didn't exist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 04:10 AM

My God!!!!!!! I'm Channeling the Anti-christ somewhere it Tibet. I'm not joking!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check this out! www.inoohr.org/gaiabackgroundinformation

Compare to Napolean Hill, Grow Rich With Peace of Mind and my esoteric writings.

I can almost see the black helicopters hovering over me now. (LOL... SORT OF)

This is getting a be like a bad sci-fi movie, only its real!!!

The anti-christ is coming folks. Wake up!

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM

Dewey, I would have PMed you the following if the forum's tech glitches were not currently preventing me.

It's been said by many Christian writers that the fear of the occult is, itself, occult. Meaning that a preoccupation with that, or with "battling" it, is itself an instance of evil in operation-- with which one need not engage, at all. Their recommendation is usually to let go of the worry, to claim one's identity in Christ, and to get back to doing His work and being praiseful (internally). And I can tell you from personal experience, this works. You cannot be negative while at the same time being genuinely grateful and praiseful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 09:00 PM

Joe Campbell said once that Satan was God's greatest worshiper. That because he chose to go to hell rather than...

And I can't recall the rest of the equation. Anyone out there recall this at all?

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 09:54 PM

That's an interesting shift in perception on your part, Dewey. I did not particularly identify with the general thrust of Napoleon Hill's book, so it didn't really grab me. He seemed to have too much focus on being a "success" in life, something that strikes me as relatively meaningless. I never finished reading it.

I have read some other material, however, that did. If you act out of Love you are in accord with the Spirit of God. If you act out of Fear, you are not. It's that simple. Love is based on Truth, Fear is based on illusion. (And I'm not talking about using normal common sense and taking sensible safety precautions when I use the word "fear"...)

All the spiritual wisdom in the World is not confined to the Bible, and indeed the Bible has been much edited and tampered with by the early Christian church authorities...mostly to secure their worldly power and control their congregations.

I do not believe that Jesus intended to found a religion at all...nor to turn himself into an exclusive idol to be worshipped. He intended to show people the way to personal salvation in this World. He set the living example of Love and Forgiveness, so that others could follow it. Fear does not forgive. Nor does it Love. It seeks and demands punishment. It expects damnation (particularly for those it deems to be its enemies). It shows little or no mercy. It judges and condemns. It is jealous and vindictive. It retaliates for imagined slights. It believes in guilt. Love does none of these things. Love can set you and others free.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 02:13 AM

The "ascended masters" currently live in Tibet. They have channeling schools in the U.S. Somewhere close to 20,000 members in each school.
They are filled with business executives and success gurus, most multi-millionaires, and the famous including politicans.

Run a Google search of Ascended Masters, followed by any of the following authors, Anthony Robbins, Deepok Chopra, Wayne W. Dyer, Stephen Covey etc.

An ascended master can telepathically channel his/her students in various countries around the world, direct head to head contact through the aid of the Master Mind (see Mastermind Principle is Napolean Hill's Book: Think and Grow Rich)

Some of the students of these Ascended Masters have websites that read the following:

WRITTEN BY ST. GERMAINE CHANNELED THROUGH THE BRAIN OF STUDENT SO AND SO (FOR EXAMPLE)

The student works with an Ascended Master, and the ascended master feeds off and directs the brain power of the student providing direct dialouging capacity through the channeling of a specific master.

Some of the best selling books of all time, by some of the most famous auothers have been channeled through the means of a specific Ascended Master.

YOU MAY ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS, THE ANSWER: BECAUSE THE AUTHORS OF THESE BOOKS ADMIT THAT THEIR BOOKS WERE CHANNELED FROM AN ASCENDED MASTER. LOOK IT UP! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME! GO TO THEIR WEBSITES.

TYPE IN ASCENDED MASTERS FOLLOWED BY THE AUTHOR!

There are channeling maps, to channeling a specific ascended master in a specific location throughout the country.

Lord Maitreya might telepathically send his messages to the pacific northwestern united states for the Montana Based School, St Germaine might telepathically channel to the Chicago area etc.

There are what is known as, "The Golden Cities", certain areas where telepathic signals are more prevalent for certain desired purpose of the Ascended masters.

The Ascended masters have a higher master, The "master of masters" of them all is Lord Maitreya. He is said to be "the Christ" whose pupose is his to bring a message of peace a hope to the world.

The purpose of the telepathy schools is to raise the consciousness of everyone.

The goal of the Maitreya:

1. Unity of All religions, through the telepathic instruction to various consciouness schools around the world. (the schools are telepathical placed in Golden City areas of the nation for spritual instruction,

2. Heighten Consciousness throughout the planet: the purpose is to raise the general consciouness of the planet (telepathically) to welcome and prepare for the Maitreya (master of masters otherwise known as THE CHRIST... please note what the maitreya calls himself) THIS IS ALREADY GOING ON PEOPLE SO WAKE UP. RIGHT NOW ON THE INTERNET YOU CAN PAY ONE OF THESE GROUPS $1000.00 and YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A GOLDEN CITY SCHOOL AND RECIEVE A TELEPATHIC CHENNELING FROM ONE OF THESE MASTERS.

3. Peace

Through various wars throughout the planet. Atheism promotion, to disgruntle the Christian population, followed by war between the chistians, follow by the pure doctrine of Lucifer (funded by Lucis Trust, who's goal is also to control the world's food and water supply. The maiteya will telepathically inform the world of his powers, thorugh the various schools, declaring himself to be "the Christ" and will usher in an era of unified peace and oneness of purpose

Type the following is your search engine ascended master followed by a success author, celebtrity etc.

Type in also: Golden City Schools, Mystery Schools. Maitreya, Benjamin Creme.

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 02:23 AM

Type is Golden City Maps, Mystery schools, Maitreya, Ascended Masters, Benjamin Creme.

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:35 AM

Uh-huh. Fine. What is bad about that? Jesus was an ascended master. So were Buddha and Krishna. There have always been a few ascended masters around, and there always will be. They have always sought peace and unification of humanity on this planet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:43 AM

Besides, Dewey, there are lots of conditions that may LOOK like "channeling from an ascended master" that are actually one or another form of whacko dramatization. This is like taking a string and a safety-pin, tying them to a stick and putting a dead worm on the pin, dropping it into a mud-puddle, and announcing that you will shortly be catching a whale.

Even a popular belief with lots of assertions behind it can be false. Your own self-reliant critical examination is a much more powerful and reliable source of such information than a bunch of literature from wannabe saviors.

Personally I am very much in favor of mind to mind communicatios, but I don't think it should be used for domination. That's just another tired old form of suppression and the desire to control others.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:06 AM

Oh here's another suggestion. People have a way of making their mind up about something...and then looking around for supporting evidence. They will always find plenty of that, because their minds are made up already! :-)

Simply decide that there is going to be an "Anti-Christ". Lock that notion into your emotional structure. Then start looking! By golly, you will find evidence of it everywhere! :-)

This is a recipe for paranoia, and I cannot see how it will be of any benefit to improving one's grasp of spirituality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 07:44 PM

Dewey - There is good and evil but not everything can be put into neat little categories. Not everything is black or white. There are many shades of grey. Most of the time, we hover in the grey area.

You can look at anything as either positive or negative. A few days ago, I almost died. I can dwell on the pain or I can say I am glad to be alive. I can feel that I was lucky or I can feel angry that my plans have been curtailed indefinitely. My feelings fluctuate but I have control over my response to any given situation. So do you.

I liked the analogy of the feast. Its all there but by your own will, you decide what you will ingest. Thats called free will.

Nobody will give you any definite answers. Part of your life's journey is to find an answer inside yourself. There will be people along the way to guide you but trust your feelings. If it feels 'ick', it probably is 'ick'.

Seek the light.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Dewey
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 01:56 AM

No Little Hawk,

First came my awareness of my own consciousness with the aid of thought adjusters (transcendant beings guiding my sub-conscious thoughts)

These were telepathic beings capable of retrieving information from the source (the source being the ascended masters)

The ascended master dwell beyond the plan of the physical and pyschic, they are the beings that Communicated by direct dialouging capacity to Napolean Hill in his last book, "Grow Rich With Peace of Mind"

They are the ascended beings that work and guide the principle of the Mastermind, the mastermind is the universal mind that channels all energies and thoughts. The ascended masters are beyond conscious experience and dwell in the domain of the infinite capacity.

As such they have become one with the Light (lucifer the lightbearer) They are from the supreme council of the 33rd degree, Mention not only in Masonic Literature, but by Naploean Hill as well in Grow Rich with Peace of Mind. (whose book and instruction taught me to communicate with these higher beings who introduced themselves to me on many occasion in my automatic writing, and showed me by example and through my consciouness how to expand my mind powers so as to be able to interact with the Mastermind, the Miatreyic Council of the 33rd Degree, also known as the ascended masters.

They are the top of the Masonic Pyramid, the all seeing eye, capable of movement in and out of any plane in the pyschical, biological and spritual this is why they have the capability of astral projection, intergrated mind telepathy with your consciousness as well and the mastermind that directs ALL conscious activities to meaningfulintergrated conclusions.

What none of you seem to understand is that these beings are part of the New World Order, which is alread firmly established in Government and throughouth the mystery schools, they are channeling and self-actualizing the supreme mission of the Maitreya (anti-christ) as we speak.

The mystery schools are already here and their Goal is to raise the consciouness of the planet to prepare the way for the coming of Maitreya (the Christ)

Salvation according to the Lord Maitreya website at www.maitreya.org is recieved through being one with the "light" and ascending into the "light" this is through becoming a self-actualized God, and I am NOT paraphrasing this definition is from the maitreya's own website.

Salvation of the soul is found through the Second Coming (Actualization) of the Lord Maitreya (the christ) In new age terms this is directly called attaining quote "CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS" The Christ is found through oneness and coming and ascending into the light, through this evelation will come world consciousness, and world peace everlasting, and these are the Maitreya own words at www.maitreya.org that mention this method God attained self actualization method to self salvation and world peace.

It is also interesting to note that the Maitreya wishes to impersonate himself as, "The Christ" Notice also at www.maitreya.com. Higher and above any other being, the MASTER OF MASTERS.

Some questions for those of you who do not believe the Bible and see it only as an effort tool of the Church fathers to control the ignorant masses of of the working poor of past ages.

Why would the great poliicians, leader's and religious groups thoroughout the world choose to join these secert societies, to study these ancient mysteries on such subjects as Alchemy, Wizards, Sorcery, Divination, Withcraft, Pagan Rites, Astrology, Re-incarnation, Mysticism, Channeling etc. If there weren't some soruce of power they wer gleaning from these eperiences and the collective consciousness that results

1/3 of our goverment is currently working in the New age Movement and the Masonic Order.

Of these most of not all dislike or disbelieve Christianity, yet they set at the head of there authority and power, "The Christ"(Maitreya)

Why even have a christ as your highest most lord of world power and consciousness, when you don't even believein him or practice his teachings.

Why the impostership over something and someone that the highly educated and elite do not believe in and worship anyway.

And why the need of this higher deity to call himselfthe christ in this day and time of reason, unless there wasn't an actuakl christ that he himself, and the entire world would have to contend with?

Why not just make William Shatner the God of everything. Why specifically target the name of Jesus and imposter him.

Folks! I've always believed in Jesus Christ deep down in my heart. There were times when education made me think otherwise.

But now our times reflect the evidence of his presence. Why would so many educated and scientific people, join these secret socities and new world order, if in the process these highly educated people would put an otherwise mystical "Christ" as their source of power?

A Christ!

By the educated and elite of this world!

Albeit a FALSE CHRIST!

But never the less their source is still a "Christ"

Can any ofyour here now doubt why in MY heart I choose to believe in the REAL ONE.

When all of these so called educated and powerful elite of our society choose to believe in the CHRIST of this world.

The anti-christ is real and is here RIGHT NOW.

He is all powerful, and is the prince of this world. But the real Christ is more powerful than him, and he will rule me and you and everything in this world forever and ever.

Just be ready when he comes,
And don't be too impressed by all that you see coming down the pike right now, It is nothing compared to what is about to happen.

Dewey

P.S.

I didn't get this info from any conspiracy sight, or bible thumping fanactics.

I got it from Napolean Hill, Grow Rich With Peace of Mind

I got it from pushing in the term "ascended master" and being directed to these established new age schools (which Napolean Hill talks about)

And lastly I got it from my own ascended master that has been channeling me, See my blog (which I no longer write) at http://believersguide.blogspot.com.

I believed, So I got this guide from reading Napolean Hill's think and grow rich. Hence the name of the site, "Believersguide"

This guide leads you to afflunece and perfection of every detail and event in your life. It will give you every great blessing and benefit imaginable, if you don't believe me, just look at the name of those that endorse the book from the Rockefeller's to the Rothchild's to the Carnegie's, the majority of which were also ascended masters engaged in high ordered telepathy and remote viewing.

Yes the world was theirs yet end the end they choose to join the pricne of this world and sold their souls in the process.

Not at all the great success, that you would think that might ahve become in the end.

The antichrist is coming folks so whatever it is you seek: fortune, God, Oneness, World peace, it isn't worth price you get in this life for the things in the next life that are to come for all that trust and believe in the living God, not the one of death void and nothingness.

Napolean Hill says at the end of his book, "IN the end nothing really matters,"

If this in the end is postive thinking......

it is NOT for me, Because in the end everything DOES matter, including one' soul, and nothing is more precious and of greater value than one's soul.


Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:46 AM

Dewey,

You really must find some kindred souls to talk to about all this.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:19 AM

Didn't they all chop their nuts off and catch a ride on Halley's Comet a few years ago?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:31 AM

And Art, I believe Campbell was referring to the Islamic story that Satan was God's greatest servant and that when God ordered the angels to serve and bow to man, Lucifer wanted to keep serving God and for his disobedience was banished from Heaven. One tradition concentrates on the pride of Lucifer, but another emphasizes the great love he had for God. "Go to Hell!" was a curse for it removed him from the presence of his greatest love, and Satan blamed mankind for his fall, and thus the malevolence towards humankind.

IIRC


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:22 PM

Amos already said this but let me put it a little differently.

I've been told that Ignatius Loyola once said something along the lines of this: 'If you ever feel the hand of god (fate, karma, an ascended master- whatever you want to call it),working in your life to accomplish something, the only correct thing to do is to ignore it. To begin with, you're probably wrong. It could easily be ego or a simple misunderstanding. Or it could be the 'other side' trying to fool you. If it's truly god, or whatever, you could fight it with all your might and it sould still happen. God is all powerful. It doesn't need your help. So take it easy. Wait and see what happens.'

If any one can identify the source of that, I'd appreciate it. It may be Meditations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:27 PM

Exclusive thinking is what is Satanic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:11 PM

I wonder, is Dewey a standup comedian? If so He is bloody hilarious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:43 PM

Amos said: Dewey,

You really must find some kindred souls to talk to about all this.


I'd recommend a psychiatrist.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Positive Thinking Satanic?
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 07:54 PM

The name Lucifer for Satan does NOT appear in the bible. The only Lucifer mentioned is the Lightbearer, the planet Venus, if I remember correctly. Wasn't Dante the first to name the devil Lucifer? Any bible scholars out there?


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