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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:06 AM

Now back to the subject:

Terri's folks won a ruling from Atlanta Court of Appeals (March 29, 2005), that they would hear the case on the facts, not on procedure.

I can only remark that while I think this whole media/legal battle has become a farce, if it were punishment it would be cruel and unusual, as the procedures being used on Terri are COMMONLY used to ease hopeless (in this case brain dead) physical wrecks out of their burden of existence.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:01 AM

Martin:

Good posts should be about the subject. If egos are involved, then the intelligence and thought put into the thread gets sidelined. And again, I think mud flinging as a message and as a response can be fun, but they can also be ignored when they detract from a subject which might in fact be fun and interesting all its own self.

If we're going to be concerned with "LOOK AT ME!" types of posts, we might as well post photos to go with.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:31 AM

I just heard on CBC that Terry's parents received many letters and e-mails from people that also sent money to help pay for their legal fees. Now they are selling the addresses of the donators to a marketing firm. If you are one of those who helped support the parents because you thought they were morally righteous, you might want to think about this twist in the story.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 10:47 PM

You saw it here first, folks!


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST,ME ME ME
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 08:46 PM

IT IS ALL HERE SAY


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 11:28 AM

Eagle Wing apparently doesn't know much about life, Robo.

I am never really looking for responses Robo. I don't need to feed my ego in the way you imagine.

Merely stating my opinion and comments in a public forum is really good enough for me.

I know it gets read, some people nod yes and some people nod no.

Big deal.

The problem stems when someone else's ego is bruised, not mine. I just don't take it all that seriously, please believe me.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 06:57 AM

I think we're faced with a question of common sense against common humanity. Mud gets flung because folks tend to love a mud fight. If people ignored the flinger, the flinger would go elsewhere, because the flinger only really cares about the response.

The question of policing the threads rapidly becomes a two pronged problem. Someone has to spend a lot of time doing the policing, even installing a holding pen so that posts get sequestered for analysis by assigned 'masters'. If you try just revoking memberships, you have to justify what you do and people just change their names and re-up and the problem persists.

The best solution is for folks to learn what to ignore and plow ahead, responding to worthwhile posts.

It's a lot like life.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 06:17 AM

Joe,

Is there no way of just preventing Martin Gibson from coming onto every serious thread and goading people into these slanging matches? If not then I shall stop using Mudcat since I find that every time I want to discuss something of worth Gibson manages to force its degenration into slime and filth.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST,Gringo
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 12:56 AM

Who has been paying for her care for the past few years? G


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:37 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)If you fucking well want to, Big Mick.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:20 PM

Martin, your post seems to adopt a different stance than usual. When you suggest that liberal tolerance is quite phony, does that mean we should tolerate you using filthy language, and making lewd references?

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:16 PM

Uh, threads weren't really closed down because what I've said.

They've been closed down because of Guests and others who have their undies in a big bunch up their cracks getting so bent out of shape that they show their real colors.

Liberal tolerance is quite phony it seems.

Eagle Wing, I most certainly don't admit to trying to foul all threads. The majority here I don't bother with. Some I do because they are relatively interesting. Others just need a dose of reality that all people just don't have that far left radical drug induced train of thought.

See ya.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 12:06 PM

Would that I were MG... I'd relax, pass you, and send you swirling down the drain to be in the company of your betters....


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 06:58 AM

Hm! I have seen Joe close down at least 2 threads on this subject because of Gibson and his detractors.

Any moment now . . .

We have allowed this person to goad us into slanging matches on threads about something as serious Terri Schiavo's life and death situation. Perhaps we should take previous advice and ignore Gibson who only exists to foul all threads (and has admitted it).

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 06:00 PM

Your the asshole of Mudcat, Clinton


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:58 PM

Awwwww... but -I- wanted to be The Wicked Witch Of Mudcat!


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:52 PM

hahahah


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:37 PM

Ha! She doesn't even know that my wife and I are very much in love.

She does know that she is quite a wretched old woman and about as desirable to a man as her old lady underwear.

Ebbie. The wicked witch of Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:30 PM

Ha! He doesn't even know where his own wife's pictures are to be found!


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:13 PM

And what are your favorite topics, Doc?

I love women, always have.

Learn how to spell feces. I have. There is plenty of being dished out by the likes of jerks like you.

I gave up drugs years ago. Obviously, you haven't.

I have plenty of other topics I like to talk about.

Your wife's naked pictures is one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST,the shrink
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:57 PM

Martin's obsessions centre around a few main topics. Women, faeces and drugs. What female influence in his life abused drugs and left him lying in a dirty diaper. Discuss.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:55 PM

I'm having trouble seeing anything informative in those two brain scan pictures. Probably because they view the brain from two differen angles, and also because I'm not trained to read brain scans.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:53 PM

Clinton

I figured you smoke your pot from a kettle.

Good stuff, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:46 PM

I think this information should be disseminated, so, to repeat:

Here is a 'Normal Brain'


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:32 PM

Sandra like many others has probably landed on Mudcat because we turn up in Google, and for no other reason. And she's nuts if she can't see that Terry's spirit has been trapped by her non-responsive body for 15 years. She's close to freedom, as her husband understands her wishes. The horror her parents would visit upon her for years and years is no life. The irony of all of this is that Michael Schiavo is also going to finally release her parents from 15 years of the prison they have erected for themselves as well as their daughter.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:31 PM

Pot... meet kettle... kettle... meet pot...

Yawn...


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:23 PM

Clinton, I don't care if you think if I am sad and pathetic. go ahead.

But remember, I think of you as a pompous, egomaniacal asshole caked with feces. You rate as one of the most arrogant here.

I and many others know how true this is.

Many others.

big Mick, I don't know what you are more: fat or naieve. It's a close race.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

CT Scan of Terri Schiavo's Brain, 1996


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:02 PM

Sandra, did you bother to read the thread before you posted? If Michael Schiavo were that shallow, why didn't he just take the money a few weeks ago and run? If he really only wanted to be shed of her, why not just give up his guardianship to the parents, divorce and then marry this woman? It seems to me that the only reason he would continue to subject himself to the rantings and ravings of the Zellers, and to the likes of this slime called Martin Gibson, is because he believes he is carrying out his wife's wishes.

You are transferring what you think should be done, and then saying it is the only decent thing to do. He believes that it would be far from decent to leave his wife in this state.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST,Sandra Silva
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:55 PM

Imagine if such went with you...   
   
Anyone of us could be in Terri Schiavo's place or of her parents... Think about...   

The correct would be the Terri's husband to request the divorce and consequently to give to the Terri's parents the right to drive their daughter's destiny.   
   
Is not right that the husband or the wife decide in cases like this, when their spouse should die or where should be buried, if the parents or any other member of the family with sanguine connection want to assume the responsibilities of defenseless relatives...      

Is evident, the Terri's husband only wants to be free to join to another woman legally... The Judge could give to him the right of the automatic divorce, but to ignore the despair of the Terri's parents it's inhuman! If He was a good man he could abdicate of this difficult decision...   

The laws are wrong and they need to be corrected. I agree, the euthanasia could be admitted in some cases, but it should be absolutely painless and it should only be applied in the own patient's case to sign the authorization or not being possible, the parents, siblings and or children to sign. Spouses should only to authorize the deliberation in the lack of another closest member of the family of blood.      

I think that should be allowed to the parents of Terri to take she to their house and to rent the machine for maintenance of her life.   
   
It's inhuman to leave a defenseless patient without feeding to die of starvation...      

Today the drama is of the Terri's parents. Tomorrow can be our !


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM

Nothing you do makes me uncomfortable MG...   Cause I and everyone else can tell how sad and pathetic you really are... Pitiable really...

Or you would be if I could be bothered...


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM

Calm Down You Folks:

Rabbi Sol was posting back in January, getting more and more upset when he didn't pick up the support he expected. I submit that something else was going on with him, so EagleWing's one on one posts two months after the event are of limited utility since obviously the Rabbi has "left the building".

Please speak for yourself in the NOW at someone who's likely to respond.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:28 PM

I'm not really entertained by ignorance such as yours and Big Micks.

It's not me who's digging. It's you responding to something here that makes you so uncomfortable.

It's just not that much of a safe haven here for mentally disturbed society misfits such as yourself to hide in.

Your world just continues to shrink.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:17 PM

It is I who am entertained by your ignorance martin...

mildly at any rate...

Keep digging...


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:13 PM

Big Mick, too bad.

If I ever meet you, which I wouldn't bother wasting my time with, I would expose you as the ignorant, drunk, baby-killing veteran you are.
And fat, also.

Keep it up. Shanty Irish shooting their mouths off are common in Chicago. but ones posing as intellectuals are especially laughable.

Clinton Hammond, you are another one. It's you who are ignorant. And too fucking bad, it's not your message board. If it was, it would be a porno sight or at least one about poor musicians, which I have heard first hand that you are no big deal.

My comments ring so true to you, that is why you respond and keep coming back for more. Pretty good entertainment, much better than your singing, I'm sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:04 PM

I don't want to stop anyone posting about Rabbi Sol, but the irate responses come a bit late, the last post by him is two months old.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:55 PM

"I respect Rabbi Sol as a fine Rabbi"
In the same way that other loonies respect Charles Manson...   Birds of a feather...

Keep posting Martin... you're only confirming what a doofus you are, and justifying peoples low opinion of you... Be glad it's not MY message board... your IP'd be blocked in a heart beat...

Now go ahead... string together some more meaningless profanity, like the good little troll you are... Prove my point...


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:53 PM

Martin, once again you demonstrate your considerable intellectual deficit. The best you can do, because you are ignorant, is make these comments. Aside from exposing you for the idiot you are here on the Mudcat, I sincerely hope that I meet you face to face one day so I can do the same in public. And, with any luck, you will react in a violent way so that I may show exactly what it is that I know. In the meantime, please continue to demonstrate what a fine Jewish man you are.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:43 PM

Your a fat pig, Big Mick

Isn't it time for another pint? I'll bet you've known more priests who have fondled little boys than Rabbis.

BTW, I am not Orthodox. but I respect Rabbi Sol as a fine Rabbi.

And EagleWing/Frankie boy, Jesus sure has let you down. but keep the faith, Bud, and put some extra change on the plate for him, will ya?


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:26 PM

I hate to start a post like this, but I will never again refer to Sol Zeller as Rabbi. Any man who starts a thread talking about the sanctity of life, then puts out a thinly veiled OK to murder is no Rabbi. As I read his posts, I am astounded at the contradictions. I have known, and sought the guidance of, several Rabbi's. One of them I count as the wisest holy man I know. They would never advocate that which was implied by Zeller's post.

Folks, my understanding is that Schiavo used most of the $1,000,000 to take care of his wife. Zeller's crude comments about Schiavo's motives with regard to his "dick" are inexcusable. Zeller has absolutely no knowledge of what drives this man, as I don't. But I do know that he was a loving husband, that he has tried to take care of his wife and honor her wishes. Zeller mentioned in one of his posts that convicted killers have more right to appeal than Terri. I would love to hear her appeal. OH ...... that's right ....... we can't hear her appeal, because has been vegetative with no chance for recovery for 15 years.

What this issue comes down to for me is that folks view death as a failure, a horror. It is not. From the moment we are born, we begin to die. It is the final act in this part of the journey. The inability to accept it as a part of the journey is what makes folks think that a tragedy is going on.

Terri, God be good to her, is only "alive" because we keep her that way through extraordinary means. When we judge Michael, we need to look at his actions prior to the tragedy. He was a loving husband. There is nothing to suggesgt anything else. Looking at his actions at the beginning of the tragedy, we can see that his intentions were to do all he could to do right by his wife. It was only when it was clear that all hope was gone that he decided to let inevitability take its course. He gave another look at himself when he was offered an extraordinary amount of money to let others decide his wife's fate a few weeks ago. He turned it down and pursued what he felt was the wishes of his spouse.

Of all the players in this tragedy I ache most for the parents. The damned politicians with there incessant meddling for political gain have caused these people to be able to cling to a thread. Understandably they want to believe, they do not want to let go of their child. On an intellectual level, I believe what I said a couple of paragraphs back. From the perspective of a Dad, I would want to cling to any hope. By their craven pandering, these flyshit politicians are prolonging the agony, and not allowing these good folks to face the inevitable, and deal with it. Will they ever recover? I don't know, but what chance they had is likely over now.

One cannot respect life without respecting death. In the 21st century we seem to have forgotten that.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:10 PM

Oh dear, Martin,

I was beginning to think that your posts to this thread were a little more balanced than usual.

I was wrong. I am also saddened to hear that Orthodox Judaism is genuinely represented by yourself and Sol.

I believe that the Nazi's were actually in favour of human experiments which is not the same as being in favour of allowing dying people to die in peace.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:51 PM

Martin said "I hope all of you who do not agree that her parents have no say get to watch your child die before your eyes, also.

Deal with that."

I find it difficult to believe that you are really laying such a curse on people, Martin. I do NOT hope that you will have to watch people keeping any of your loved ones artificially alive for decades while you know that all they want is to die peacefully. Having watched my wife die - and then had to answer questions of the police at 5 a.m. because the illness was sudden - I know what it is like to lose someone very dear to me. For you to wish that on anyone is unworthy.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:35 PM

Regardless of your personal feelings about the right or wrong of this case, perhaps a bit of compassion for Rabbi Sol's feelings?

WHY? Not only has he shown no compassion for anybody else, he has shown no respect. He has continually insulted and attacked. He knows nothing of showing mercy. He only needed a few more swear words to make me believe his initials were MG (though the one posting here that I've seen from MG was very, very balanced).

I would love to have more compassion for Rabbi Sol's feelings. I feel, somehow, that I'm letting Jesus down by not showing more compassion but even Jesus got angry about people who spouted only hatred.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:22 PM

Guest,
       I do no feel that I should have to dignify your last question with a response. Any human body, no matter what physical condition it is in needs sustenance to exist. It is only common sense. There are people in 3rd world countries starving to death every day. I do not understand where you are coming from.

                                              SOL ZELLER

SOL, Are you really as unintelligent as this post makes you seem or is it just an act?

I should have thought that the post that you were replying to was about as clear as anything could be. Yet your response appears to show that you neither understand life or death. Read it again, and again and again, SOL, until you understand what is being said to you.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:13 PM

McGrath says It always has struck me as the height of legalistic hypocracy for withdrawal of food and water to be somehow seen as an acceptable way of bringing about death in a way that doing it directly is not.

I have to disagree with you on this one McGrath. The point here is that the food and water are not so much being "withdrawn" as the forced feeding being stopped. We're not talking about starving the person but no longer force-feeding them. By removing these artificial stimuli the body is allowed to take it's natural course - to die.

Leastways, that's how I understand it.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:06 PM

"We are talking about food and water here; not pain meds and oxygen.
It will be an unnatural death without food and water rather than a natural death.
                                        SOL ZELLER"

You have obviously not read, or not understood, what has been said many times. When a body is dying naturally it begins, of itself, to reject food and water. The unnatural thing here is the forced feeding which prevents the body from shutting down naturally. If you cannot understand that then you should withdraw your remarks until you have had time to discover what dying actually is.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:59 PM

Frank Lane/Eagle wing/Toilet Stain

the rabbi is a good man and does represent the voice of Orthodox Judiasm.

You are a complete prick and represent the Orthodox Jew's biggest enemy, the Nazi

You support killers. Your favorite greeting is obviously zieg heil.

Fuck you in the nose.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:57 PM

You gonna answer each post in this thread with a post of your own Frank?

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:55 PM

The rabbit says "Therefore to carry the argument of the majority on this board one step further, we should also take all the Alzheimer patients who no longer recognize any of their loved ones and are mental vegetables for all practical purposes and refuse to give them food and water, so they will die sooner rather than later. Furthermore priority should be given to those who have partners with pressing sexual needs so that they can be guilt free when being serviced elsewhere. Make s sense to me.
                                              SOL ZELLER "


Sorry Brucie - this is SICK SICK SICK. How you can support this evil man is beyond me!

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:53 PM

What about that "in sickness and in health" clause?

Anyhow, I'd be curious to know how many people who side with Mr. Schiavo also oppose the death penalty. Just wonderin.


In sickness and in health has absolutely nothing to do with keeping a person alive artificially just because it can happen. In sickness and in health means that when a loved one is sick, you see them through it. When they are dying you care for them until their time comes to go. It also means that if they have expressed an opinion about not wanting to be kept alive artificially you respect that rather than turning them into a museum piece.

I oppose the death penalty for one reason only - the many people who have been executed and then discovered to have been innocent. However, I do not see the connection. The question seems to suggest that allowing a dying person to die is somehow the same as executing a murderer or swatting a fly. These are totally different things. The nearest "connected" things I can think of are Euthanasia (which this is NOT) and Abortion. On both subjects I have loose ends though in principal I'm against them both. (The loose ends are that I can always think of exceptions but the exceptions should not be the rule).

Frank L.


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