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BS: Foxhunting Banned.

Rapparee 22 Nov 04 - 10:00 PM
Metchosin 22 Nov 04 - 10:46 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 23 Nov 04 - 12:05 AM
Gervase 23 Nov 04 - 09:35 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Nov 04 - 11:51 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Nov 04 - 12:10 PM
Metchosin 23 Nov 04 - 12:21 PM
Folkiedave 23 Nov 04 - 02:20 PM
Metchosin 23 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM
dianavan 23 Nov 04 - 05:36 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 23 Nov 04 - 06:04 PM
Metchosin 23 Nov 04 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,Colyn 23 Nov 04 - 08:11 PM
Blissfully Ignorant 23 Nov 04 - 08:40 PM
ard mhacha 24 Nov 04 - 05:33 AM
*Laura* 24 Nov 04 - 10:37 AM
Peter K (Fionn) 24 Nov 04 - 03:30 PM
*Laura* 24 Nov 04 - 04:18 PM
*Laura* 24 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM
Tam the Bam (Nutter) 25 Nov 04 - 03:23 PM
Blissfully Ignorant 25 Nov 04 - 03:28 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 Nov 04 - 03:29 PM
*Laura* 25 Nov 04 - 05:17 PM
Wotcha 26 Nov 04 - 12:39 AM
Metchosin 26 Nov 04 - 02:12 AM
John Routledge 28 Nov 04 - 11:45 AM
Peace 28 Nov 04 - 08:13 PM
GUEST,Terry K 29 Nov 04 - 02:28 PM
Metchosin 29 Nov 04 - 03:17 PM
*Laura* 29 Nov 04 - 04:11 PM
Metchosin 29 Nov 04 - 04:38 PM
GUEST,Terry K 29 Nov 04 - 06:52 PM
dianavan 30 Nov 04 - 01:38 AM
Metchosin 30 Nov 04 - 04:01 AM
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Blissfully Ignorant 30 Nov 04 - 03:20 PM
Peace 30 Nov 04 - 03:41 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:00 PM

Excuse me, but I thought I said, and said quite strongly, that I am NOT in favor of fox hunting as it has been traditionally done in England.

If the fox is a problem, shoot it or trap it and release it far away.

If you can't shoot well, get someone who can. If you object to killing an animal, live trap the critter and either remove it or have it removed to a remote area.

I am someone who has hunted and who hopes to, perhaps, someday, maybe, go hunting again. If I do that AND I have the chance to kill an animal for food I will do so as humanely as is in my power -- with one shot if at all possible. Anything less degrades both the animal and myself.

Tearing an animal to pieces with dogs is NOT hunting as I know it. (Neither, for that matter, are some of the things I'm seen done by...I can't dignify them by calling them "hunters").


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:46 PM

dianavan, training doesn't have to be gruesome at all, one can use bottled scent on a drag and reward and young hounds soon learn from the older dogs as well.

Unfortunately, at one time, some dickheads involved in this kind of "sport" in this country found the realism of using a live animal (any old housecat will do) far more exhilarating, especially with a dust up and a bit of blood and guts as their reward. (The dogs themselves were just as excited and pleased with a terrific run and a pat, dust up or not, a lot more sensible than a lot of humans in most cases.)

It was also a very stupid way to train, because, particularly in the case of cougars, you don't want your hounds too nonchalant about approaching a supersized cat, as you will quite possibly end up with a lot of vet bills or one or two very expensive dead dogs. Even a large raccoon can inflict some pretty deep wounds and scars by hanging on to one dog's nose while another dog is simultaneously pulling on its tail, in the opposite direction.

Conservation officers here still require the use of hounds to track cougars that are causing problems on sheep farms or have strayed into residential areas. And if you think getting a good shot off in the comparatively open terrain of the UK is difficult, try using a tranquilizer gun in the bush here. Those involved here become very adept.

I'm not at all familiar with how they train hounds in the UK for fox hunting and its been many years since I've had any close contact with the cougar hunting fraternity here, but human nature being what it is, I'd consider myself very naive to think that abuses and animal cruelty have been entirely eliminated from the equation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:05 AM

Second time in quite a short while that I'm in tune with DougR. Dangerous territory.

The guest who mentioned the Blencathra/Saddleback hunt was spot on. This is far removed from the toff-led image usually projected, and if there were an acceptable face of fox-hunting, this would be it. But I don't think there is, as I have just made plain in my longest-ever Mudcat post. (Takes for ever to load if you haven't got broadband, but worth teh wait of course....)

What kind of idiot Laura is I can't imagine. Prefers drag hunting to foxhunting but now finds herself compelled to go foxhunting before it is illegal, even though she is not yet up to it, and even though the ban will no doubt result in more drag meets (by which time she might also be more competent on a horse). Won't go deerhunting because of a Disney cartoon character, but couldn't care less whether foxes are hunted to the death or not, even though she finds foxes (the real things, this time) cute and cuddly (which they're not). Maybe when she grows up, she'll come back to this nonsense and try to make sense of it. But with any luck she'll get to do that foxhunt for which she isn't ready but has to do in protest; hit a ditch while gaily yelling Tally-ho, and break her neck. I just wouldn't want the horse to get hurt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 09:35 AM

FolkieDave, a fox with its jaw shot off takes about three days to die. I've seen it happen. I've also seen (and smelled) foxes with shattered legs and gangrenous wounds that most have caused a slow and agonosing death.
Trouble is, most farmers use a shotgun to shoot foxes, not a rifle, and that doesn't kill quickly or cleanly. Very few of them are going to get out a rifle powerful enough to despatch a fox and carry it around with them day to day. The result is that most DIY fox control is pretty inhumane. Good keepers will go lamping with a proper rifle and account for many foxes, but they are looking after their own game, and tend not to roam around helping out local farmers because they've already got enough to do.
To shoot a running beast with a rifle takes a lot of skill, which most people don't have. The Welsh packs near me shoot their foxes, and the marksmen are superb shots. It also helps to have hilly and sparsely populated country so the terrain can cope with rounds that miss rather than having them travel for maybe half a mile - letting off rifle rounds in flat territory like Norfolk or Lincolnshire is asking for trouble!
I'm afraid I can't agree with Peter's view of working class hunters as a bunch of rednecks. The packs I've come across (away from the Country Life-reading belt) are as varied as folkies (and sometimes one and the same - there are at least three non-toffs who hunt who post here on Mudcat).


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:51 AM

Folkiedave, a fox will be dead within a minute of being seized by a hound.
What happens afterwards hardly matters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:10 PM

Folkiedave
"I see, Now it is about suffering"
Suffering and cruelty was my expressed concern in each of my posts.
Read them.
As I said, that thousands of rural families are sustained is a bonus.
Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:21 PM

Time flies when your having fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Folkiedave
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 02:20 PM

"Folkiedave, a fox will be dead within a minute of being seized by a hound.
What happens afterwards hardly matters".

Well.........to the fox it does.

Anyway let me know when you are off hunting again lads/lasses. Since you aren't insured I need to stay well clear of both you and your vehicles.

Best regards,

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM

The quick kill justification was used here with regard to housecats and while one quick flick by a single terrier can dispatch a rat in seconds, it has been my experience with a pack of hounds that any body part of an animal it can reach will do in the frenzy and on occasion things do not go exactly as anticipated.

Sloppy predator control, regarding farmers is a different matter and IMO should be regarded as a separte issue, not a justification. Perhaps better education of farmers and more trained animal control or conservation officers would improve the situation, especially in areas where large populations of opportunistic foxes are demed to be causing serious economic damage to those in the poultry industry. It certainly would add a few more gainfully employed bodies. Live trapping is an option, as is better security for the animals in ones care.

I live in an area with a healthy population of raccoon and mink, (neither species providing the side benefit of rodent control), which can and do cause problems regarding poultry, if the opportunity presents itself. The key word is opportunity. The occasional loss of a bird that I have experienced here, has been due to my own stupidity and was not the fault of the predators basic instinct.

If the true appeal of the hunt is the riding, I cannot for the life of me see what substantial difference it should make when the route is determined by hounds pursuing a predetermined set trail using a drag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:36 PM

True Metchosin -

There is nothing sadder than entering a chicken coop the morning after a visit from a mink. A good dog will keep the predator away. No need to chase after the mink with a horse or a pack of hounds. I doubt very much if a fox hunt is really the answer to predator control.

Its a blood sport. Those that partake need to have their heads adjusted.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 06:04 PM

I think Folkiedave must have misread Ketih's comment that "what happens next hardly matters." My difficulty with what Keith said is that though it may be true that a fox is dead within one (presumably unpleasant) minute of being seized by a hound, this is not what happens in a foxhunt. Hounds get in each other's way, they are frantic with excitement and sometimes they even catch each other with their teeth. It is not unknown for the fox, similarly frantic for other reasons, to break loose and make a yard or two before being re-seized. Neither is it unknown for the fox to be despatched by being stretched to tearing point between two sets of jaws.

In response to Gervase and Metchosin, I do agree that opportunity shooting by amateurs - eg farmers armed with shotguns aiming at moving targets - would be a whooly unsatisfactory substitute for the hunt, and I would be delighted if such practice was banned ahead of hunting with hounds. Lamping is a different proposition, not least because the marksmen are there specifically for the purpose, with appropriate rifles, and will not usually be aiming at moving targets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:11 PM

Peter K (Fionn) Thank you for confirming my suspicions that what I have observed happening here to raccoons and housecats, beset by a pack of hounds, is similar to what happens in the UK, with regard to foxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,Colyn
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 08:11 PM

Obviously people are never going to agree about the rights and wrongs of hunting. Unfortunately too many people seem to be able to express an opinion, and seek to tell others what they should do, without ever having been near a hunt, let alone having been at the kill. All they might have seen is edited highlights from a newscast or propaganda film produced by either side.
I have seen my own single dog kill a fox with one bite in the neck. Any half-decent dog should be able to do that, otherwise give the dog to a "townie" as a fashion statement.
Hunt do not ride rough-shod over land over which they do not have permission, otherwise the laws of trespass are flouted. Farmers invite the hunts to their land. If the hounds stray where they are not wanted they are called off immediately.
Previous comments regarding the "class issue" seem again to have been made using surmise rather than knowledge. Hunt members cone from all walks of life, as widely varied as folkies, football fans or any other interest. It is purely because it makes good TV news to state that a member of the aristocracy has been hunting, or to interview Colonel Double-Barrelled for a news feature. My daughter, the wife of an agricultural labourer, hunts and she spends less on her horse and hunting than many of you might spend on watching first-team football.
Regarding the shooting of foxes, yes, the majority of those shot are put up by coincidence and often the gun is loaded with too light a cartridge, the shooter not expecting to see a fox. If the fox is "pricked" it will likely die of gangrene, it's only natural enemy. That is a most painful death I would not wish on any creature.
Use of a rifle in UK, compared with a shotgun, is very strictly controlled and there have been cases where the police will not allow use of a rifle due to proximity of public footpaths. The "right to roam" legislation and insistence upon ancient rights of way being left open has made this problem more acute. One cannot compare the situation in UK with that of any other country. We have recently had situations in this country where an army of armed police with helicopter support have descended on perfectly legal clay-pigeon shooters because some member of the public heard spent shot falling and assumed they were the target!
Yes, let's have the Scottish system. The same number of hunts before and after the legislation and more foxes killed. I wonder how they manage it?
Colyn


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 08:40 PM

"Hunt do not ride rough-shod over land over which they do not have permission, "

Sorry, but they've done it to me. Three times, in fact...


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: ard mhacha
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 05:33 AM

The hunting fraternity are NOT blissfully ignorant, they know well that farmers have been rode rough-shod, without asking any permission, and as for those crack-shot Yanks, well, if they miss their prey they make up for it by shooting a human, it`s called "friend in the line of fire".


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 10:37 AM

Fionn - don't pretend you know me.
Or anything about me.
You have no idea why I feel this way about foxhunting, or how competent I am on a horse. (which, for the benefit or the argument, is about twelve years worth of riding - competent enough for you?)
You're making up what you want to say on the basis of a few things I've said on here. (if you can point out exactly where I said foxes were cuddly I'd be grateful.)
If you have to resort to insults you obviously don't have any valid points to make and therefore should keep out of the discussion unless you have something constructive to say.
Don't patronize me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 03:30 PM

Apologies Laura, you didn't say cuddly. You said "I like foxes as much as the next person, very cute, very lovely." But it's a small distinction, I would have thought - not enough to put any logic into your enthusiasm for joining the hunt. As for your hosreriding skills, it is possible to be a good rider yet still not confident to follow hounds. I thought this was where you were at, purely on the evidence of your own posts. I won't look it up now,but I thought you said somewhere that because of the forthcoming ban you would now join a hunt, even though you would have preferred to leave it a while yet. Have I got that wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 04:18 PM

Well - it's more a fact that the horse in question is far more experienced in the hunting field (ha. ha.) than I am - which could go either way.
Apologies if I seemed umm... hostile. I was being defensive - but then you did say I'm an idiot!!! And you appeared to be loosely basing your argument on my comments, and presenting your opinions as though they were fact.
I think I am more against the idea of the government going around banning things - I mean, where does it stop? But hunting is something that has always looked quite fun - I don't care enough to break the law once it's banned - so I shall go while I still have the chance. Even if I'm a bit nervous!
And having re-read your post I almost feel inclined to withdraw my goodwill! You implied you would rather I died.
Humph.
:-~


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM

But I'm just a poor misguided teenager. No - I'm misunderstood! hahaha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 03:23 PM

GREAT NEWS


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 03:28 PM

"But I'm just a poor misguided teenager. No - I'm misunderstood! hahaha."

I understand you...but then i'm a misguided teenager, too...:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 03:29 PM

Boxhunting fanned? Won't that make any fire in the boxes worse and make them harder to hunt? What if they burn all the boxes and there are none left to hunt?

Scary thought...

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 05:17 PM

"Ain't no delinquents, we're misunderstood!
Deep down inside us there is good!"
- West Side Story

yeh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Wotcha
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 12:39 AM

"Poor Tommy's Dead

Grey Goose, Gone Home,

And the Fox is away, Oh!

In the morning ..."



Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 02:12 AM

Guest Colyn, I have no doubt that a "good dog" is capable of snapping the neck of a fox. I know that a "good dog" can also dispatch a more robust prey in the same manner. I also know from "intimate experience", that even with "good dogs", things can and do go awry and subsequently, things can get a bit "messy", particularly with a pack.
      
Initially when I looked at this thread, from all the sturm und drang regarding the red fox, I was under the impression that the rural areas of the UK had been over run by foxes and that the animal was somehow a very serious predator that caused a lot of economic hardship.

When I looked further, according to data from the UK's own DEFRA, the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland and other recent studies, the damage to agriculture caused by the fox is rated as insignificant and apparently there was no change with this "insignificant" problem when the Hunt was banned because of BSE.

I also discovered in my search that artificial earths are quite commonly constructed and foxes are sometimes fed at these manufactured dens, to ensure a healthy population of foxes. This sounds like a pretty bizarre method of predator control to me.

In this context, "The Hunt" as a form of pest control, looks rather like an animated version of a Heath Robinson or Rube Goldberg contraption. LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: John Routledge
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 11:45 AM

How many people are really concerned with foxhunting? Very few.

So said Deputy Prime Minister - John Prescott - this week.

And we all thought that the ban was about stopping cruelty to foxes.:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 08:13 PM

Metchosin: To quote Dianavan, "A+ on the homework."


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,Terry K
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 02:28 PM

Banning foxhunting is a sop to the left wing by Blair and New Labour. It will work because the only people who care are those who are naive enough to still think that hunting is a pursuit of the foxhunting stereotype.

It's sad, I know, but I went through the thread to identify some of the dickhead stereotyping that naive people have posted, in order;

"aristocrats, conservative, Charles, upper class, bastards, unspeakable, Rodneys, Charles and Camilla, station in life, a class, the rich, high class incestuous deviances, rich and aristocratic bastards, monied class, scarlet jackets" etc etc. What a load of bollocks.

As anyone brought up in the countryside knows, and as has been said throughout the thread, foxhunting is populated by ordinary people from all walks of life. I would have thought these days that only the really stupid would any longer believe the stereotype.

One guy referred to how they might now have to resort to.....sailing. Sailing? What the fuck does he think sailing has to do with anything -does he think that is another sport that only toffs do? He'd get a shock if he came to my sailing club!

I don't do foxhunting, but I don't see it as a big issue either. I just think this government is meddling for meddling's sake.

Another fascinating bit of legislation they went through with recently at taxpayers expense was passing a law to make it legal for homosexuals to indulge their sexual practices in public toilets. Just who exactly thought up that little gem?

cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 03:17 PM

Why should it be any surprise that "ordinary" people from all walks of life would be any less capable of being thick skinned, oblivious or outright sadistic, along with the supposed "best" of them, when it comes to the treatment of animals. After all, to some, mimicry is the highest form of flattery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 04:11 PM

thankyou Terry! I take my hat off to you.
that is what I have been TRYING to say these last... God it feels like years!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 04:38 PM

I rest my case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,Terry K
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 06:52 PM

No, Metchosin, you have completely missed the point. Whether or not you think that foxhunting should be banned is of no real importance, no matter what your reasoning. The issue is only about the incredible degree of interference that Blair and his cohorts have inflicted on us. All of the reasons behind the ban are as nought, the goverment have no interest in cruelty to animals, it's simply a bit of cynical political manoeuvering. And no doubt the sheep-like electorate, armed with their stereotypes, will once again completely fall for it.

Personally, I think they should have spent a little more of that time and energy deciding whether it was a good idea to follow a congenital idiot into ill thought out wars at the expense of the loss of who knows how many innocent Afghans and Iraqis.

But for those who believe a few foxes should take priority in the political priority list, so be it.

cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:38 AM

Sounds like you have your priorities straight, Terry.

...but now I'm curious, you said: "Another fascinating bit of legislation they went through with recently at taxpayers expense was passing a law to make it legal for homosexuals to indulge their sexual practices in public toilets. Just who exactly thought up that little gem?"

How stupid is that? Does that go for hetero's too? Won't they have to build special little 'he and she' rooms to accomodate the lusty?

I don't get it. What was the rationale for such a law and how was it worded? Are you putting me on?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Metchosin
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:01 AM

Just out of curiosity....what does fox taste like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Terry K
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 02:30 PM

Dianavan, I kid you not - the Blair Government has such a huge majority that they can get away with anything they like. It does not go for hetero's - I suppose on the principle that public loos are all single sex. Or that they are trying to ban heterosexual sex as well as foxhunting!

Their excuse for such a distasteful affront to public decency is that the practice is so widespread that if all the participants were arrested, it would flood the Courts. The answer? - stop it being illegal! Great news for the battle against AIDS.

Like cannabis was de-rated on the drugs register so that they wouldn't have to arrest people any more. Like burglary no longer carries even so much as a fine for a first offence - they get "a caution" - what kind of message does that send to a burglar. And to a burglar's son. And to his son, and so on and so on.

Time to emigrate.

cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 03:20 PM

"As anyone brought up in the countryside knows, and as has been said throughout the thread, foxhunting is populated by ordinary people from all walks of life. "

I've been brought up in the countryside, and i've seen absolutely no evidence to support the above statement. Must be all that weed clouding my judgement...


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 03:41 PM

Tastes a bit like dog, but much 'gamier'. Slow simmer or it's tougher than poplar bark. Don't believe these aristocrat types who say it tastes like chicken. T'ain't so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:28 PM

It tastes like duck, with a hint of pork - nice with redcurrant jelly.
:-p


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:29 PM

It does NOT taste like duck, fer gawd's sake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:32 PM

oh sorry - maybe I was eating a duck not a fox..... :-P

I stick by the redcurrant jelly though!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:40 PM

Laura,

Where it says dog think fox. Bon appetit.

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black pepper
3 slices bacon

Mike DiRocco, who served three tours in Vietnam, offers a good tip on selecting the best dog for cooking. He says the Vietnamese judge how tender the dog will be by color; a white dog is best, brown second best and lastly a black dog. Skin and clean dog. Remove the glands from under the legs (they have a strong taste, though they are not harmful if eaten). Cut into sections. Put pieces in a pot. Add bay leaves or aromatics, then onion, red pepper and salt. Cover with cold water. Cover pot and boil gently for 30 minutes. Drain meat and discard water and seasonings. Cover again with cold water and boil for 1 hour. Again pour out the water and drain. Cover dog with cold water for a third time and cover pot. Boil gently until tender, about 1 hour. Drain. Put dog in pan. Season with plenty of black pepper and salt if needed. Cover with slices of bacon or fat pork. Put in a clay oven or a covered pan placed in hot coals and covered with coals. Bake for 1-1/2 hours. Make gravy with pan juices.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM

Good recipe on that site for both cat and rat. I'll try the rat one if I trap anytime soon. Lots of muskrat in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:48 PM

nice.

what - so not even apple source???
what kind of a recipe is that then!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:52 PM

You, my deah, seem to have led a sheltered life. The last time I ate duck it was thrown onto a fire to singe the feathers. It was scraped and boiled, and the people with whom I ate it felt lucky to have it. Me too, come to think of it. Potatoes, onion and some carrot; salt and pepper.

Oh, yeah, we gutted it before throwing it into the pot and the dogs ate the guts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:53 PM

PS It was teal, and they taste like shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:55 PM

Yes, but thats becasue I am a millionaire and I live off duck and roast 'snips and apple source. :-p


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:58 PM

"roast 'snips and apple source."

Neat. What are they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:59 PM

If i was a millionaire, i'd be living off drugs and groupies. I wouldn't last long...not as a millionaire, anyhoo...


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 05:01 PM

Well, Laura, take a tip from a colonial: Don't eat teal, because it really does taste like shit. Of course, if there is ever a bad slump in the market, remember to gut it before ya boil it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 05:08 PM

Well it has been ages since I visited this one....some interesting posts.

Terry K....I note you are thinking of emigrating. To where pray? And what are the criteria for the country you hope will let you in? Clearly supporting hunting is one. Any more?

Let's assume for a moment that hunting is a good thing. I can see it might take fifteen hounds or even pairs of hounds to catch one small fox..clearly the fox is brainier than the hounds because the hounds have suffered all that interbreeding (bit like the Royal Family I suppose)...but why so many people? The Beaufort had a hundred riders and 50 foot followers when Princess Anne went out with them last week. Never understood that bit. Clearly not about vermin control!!!

Since there are people from all walks of life perhaps someone could give us a rough idea of cost to go hunting on horseback. Hunt subscription per year, vehicle, horsebox, stabling, depreciation on horse, cost of days off work to go hunting etc.....Let's see how much you have to be earning to go hunting on horseback.

I might even get to understand the countryside a bit more.

Best regards,

Dave


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