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Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P

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Subject: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:56 AM

Why did Mike Harding have a ' TEXT ONLY ' vote to decide between playing a track by Fotheringay or Martin Carthy's new version of Famous Flower of Serving Men on last nights show ?

When he announced this, I told friends that Fotheringay would win and I was proved right, this was because Fotheringay were folk rock orientated and more younger people have mobile phones than my generation, so the outcome was guaranteed.

Why is he excluding some of his audience because they don't own a mobile phone.

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:04 AM

This texting idea has to be a money making scam surely? Anyone know how it works?


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:14 AM

I think the caller is charged a fixed amount which is in excess of the time used, and the BBC pockets the difference.
Just a theory.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: muppitz
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:15 AM

Not sure of the technicalities, but I would imagine it would save manpower cos you don't have to have people to answer the phone.
Not quite sure of his excuse for excluding the internet voters, as Mick Peat and Lester Simpson welcome that on Folkwaves.

Muppitz x


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: muppett
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:24 AM

Could it not just be taken on face value for once, why does everything have to have a conspiracy theory attached to it.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:32 AM

I should just point out to everbody that muppett is actually married to Mike Harding.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:43 AM

Because it's more fum Muppett

For how long have you been married to Mrs Harding kid


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: muppett
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:38 AM

'OH it's ard being a Muppett in Bradfud'


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:40 AM

Does his moustache tickle your back then Mrs H?


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:16 AM

No conspiricy theory Muppett, it just excludes people.

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 02:39 PM

These grand themes are all very well but can't we find something small and clearly focused? People get off the point so quickly.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:14 PM

well then, to get back on the point, I think the young (say, under 25 years) folkies I know would have been more likely to vote for Martin C. And the 50+'s who remember Fotheringay would have maybe voted for them. So your theory just doesn't hold water.
Oh, and while we're talking about Smooth Ops. etc., why not a panel of festival organisers, agents, record companies, etc. etc. to vote for the Folk Awards (as is the status quo). If the public had to vote for all the categories, no new blood would ever appear in them.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:49 PM

I like Mike Harding's show, and listen every week.

I didn't really care whether he played Fotheringay or Martin Carthy as I have both songs on CD.

I do think that it's a rather pathetic thing to moan about.

Ed
(aged 37 and a quarter)


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,Dan Abnormal
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:03 PM

"fortheringay were folk-rock and more younger people have moblie phones than my generation..."

What planet are you on???

Do you seriously think that young people are more likely to vote for thirty year old folk-rock than thirty year old Martin Carthy?

The programme had a text vote because people like you complain that it nevers takes your views into account. OK - a text vote is hardly full blown democracy on the subject, but its an attempt to involve people at least. I would imagine John Leonard only allowed it through exasperation at people who have no concept of the constraints and circumstances Smooth Ops are under with that radio show.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:52 AM

How can you take anything from a cardboard cut out seriously ? I'll
huff and I'll puff and................

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:32 AM

Shot down in shit again.

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:57 AM

I've seen under 20s totally transfixed by Martin Carthy's update of FFoSM. But I don't think many of them had even heard of Fotheringay and have precious little interest in 70s folk rock anyway. They're far more likely to have come across Nancy Kerr & James Fagan doing BotN.

However, I would guess that a fairly large proportion of the MH show's core audience would be hard put to register a preference between the two and would already have both tracks on CD.

I am therefore unable to see any point in the exercise. Yes, maybe Smooth Ops are trying to take public opinion into account but I don't think this is the way.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Merina
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:52 PM

Don't understand the logic. My 75 year old mother has a mobile and is a demon texter. My teenage daughter thinks Martin's Famous Flower is the most transfixing thing she's heard all summer. More to the point, neither of them are ever likely to listen to Folk On 2 - my mother because she watches telly in the evenings and my daughter because she thinks the show is crap. So what does this prove? Bad theory i) says Harding was looking for a cute way to not have to play 2 long traditional English ballads so he could fit in more Irish bluegrass singer songwriters. Good theory ii) says they were trying a genuine experiment to get some audience feedback. Are there really any people left who don't have mobiles, other than the types also liable to also be whingeing old folk technotoads (the kind who also moan about programmes being on BBC4TV)? Blimey, what a shower . . .


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 04:42 AM

I watch all the really good folk programmes on BBC4, best thing thats happened to British telly for years, these programmes alone were worth the cost of the set top box.

I play in a duo with my mate Clive and neither of us has a mobile phone, apart from emergencies when they can be vital they are really just fashion accessories and kids toys.

And exactly what point are you trying to make Merina.

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 05:21 AM

Speaking for myself, Eric, one of the points I'm making is to persuade you to stop whingeing, get real, grow up and do something constructive about the raw deal that public service broadcasting (and the status quo in general) metes out to our traditional heritage.

I expect Merina would wish to make the same point. Like most people (and as you very well know), MH reponds not at all well to constant carping (even though he richly deserves it, given the highly public position he occupies). The words "cat, skin and more than one" spring to mind.

And get a cellphone. As soon as you do, you'll never believe how you existed without it (but turn it to voicemail on public transport and in music venues, please).


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:19 AM

NO.

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,MurkeyChris
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:33 AM

Thirty year old Martin Carthy?!


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:56 AM

Not all people have Moblie Phones, it's the same with cars not all people drive Cars, I don't own a car and yet if I want to go somewhere I have to get a lift from one of the memebers of the wee group I'm in, and what happens when I phone up to find a place, the person on the other phone (home for me) because I hardly ever use my moblie phone, and what is the use of having a mobile phone in your house when you have a 'landline' why can't you use that, saves money and time, but as for the car I get told how to get to the place and the person on the other phone thinks that I have a car, and then when I tell them, they become cofused, because they don't use the bus/train. so they can't give you directions.
So please Mr Harding don't asume that everyone that listens to your programme has a phone/computer.
I can go on all day/night.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:59 AM

What I meant to say is that not everyone has either a moblile phone or a computer to send e-mail messages, so if Mr Harding is running a copmation then plese include those who don't have a mobile phone or a computer.
Get them to send the answer in by Letter.
And that way you include everyone


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,pete
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:12 AM

wh sys ld ppl dnt use txt. i m 50 nd cn b as illiterate s th nxt tngr
(sorry about the full stop. old habits die hard)


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 01:20 PM

Merina -- thanks for the characterisation of mobile phone haters as 'whingeing technotoads'! Whether it suits your view of the world or not, there are actually millions of us who don't even want a mobile phone. I accept that they are useful to some people in their work, but that's a very small per centage of the one-eared geeks who live with them in their hand.
A few months ago I came out of the National Film Theatre in London and sat on the patio while the rest of the audience came out. Fully 3 out 4 of them whipped out their mobiles as they came out of the building and called. What were they saying so urgently? From where we sat we could hear most of them saying, 'Hi darling, I'm just leaving the NFT'. Gosh! What an absolutely necessary device!


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,cllr
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 07:03 PM

I could don't use a mobile I use my black berry instead


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 01:18 PM

The problem with a serve-all, popular-by-sheer-volume station like Radio 2 is that it can try to serve everyone but it never will. I couldn't vote, not because I don't have a mobile but because I live in a rural area with no reception (I'm under 30 still and never would have voted for Fotheringay-not because they were folk-rock, but because I've never heard them. Although I know that I may be biased here and not the best example. If they had asked for a vote for a ten-minute track that I did like over Dad it would have been a toss-up, honest!:-) ).
The issue as always, is not the Mike Harding Show but the lack of other shows, lack of choice. The MH show is patently not the folk music show we want it to be. Fortunately they do play some folk music, they are pretty much the only show on R2 that does. It's not an ideal situation by any means.
For what it is worth, keep lobbying for a dedicated folk music show and for inclusion of more folk music in the other, "mainstream" shows on Radio 2. I just can't see how whining about Mike's show, the only one that plays even close to what we like, is helpful. John Leonard was very excited about the possibility of showing the people at Radio 2 once and for all that ten-minute rendiditons of folk songs on Mike's show was what some people wanted to hear and I do appreciate it. Cut the poor man some slack and direct attention to the BBC's genuine deficiency in overall programming policy.
What would happen if Mike's show was cancelled due to excessive complaints about its content? Do you think they would replace it with something that would make us happy, or do you think they would put on a sport show, like they have done with most of our regional folk programmes?
eliza x


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 02:31 PM

Amen Eliza, Amen.
SJ :0)


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 06:34 PM

Eliza, how dare you spout such disarmingly good common sense to folk who have been whingeing for twice your lifespan? You are really scuppering the plan to get the only remotely folkie programme taken off air so that we have something genuine to whine about. We would've got away with it too, if it hadn't been for you pesky kids...............


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST,Blowzabella not at home
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 07:30 PM


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 07:32 PM

...and pushing wrong buttons! Blowz again - sorry. I don't have mobile phone reception where I live either and, (am I right - does Mr H live in Dent?)- if he does, then I'd be surprised if he does either!


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:26 AM

Whilst we moan at the content of the Mike Harding show (Mike once told me that if he had the choice then his playlist would be somewhat different), don't forget that the BBC is making local radio programmes accessible via the internet. North West England is well served by having a folk programme on all three of its stations and other stations around the country have their own folk progs.
Click HERE for more info on BBC local radio. Have a look - you may be surprised at what's out there.
No I don't work for the BBC but I've been on various folk programmes a few times in the past. If you listen to the programmes then write and tell them that you do. It's the only way that station managers know that we're interested.

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Stu
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:36 AM

This is a good point, a trip to the BBC radio web site reveals some excellent local folk progs. I have the luxury of listening to BBC music on their listen again service as I work at home, and hear a bit more folk music on the radio than you may think. Mark Radcliff often plays folk in his eclectic choice of music, being in a group himself - Eliza was on the other week - and this is an excellent show.

Stuart Maconie recently had a folk feature on The Freak Zone, although this was very singer-songwritery (?). Rather disparaging to session players unfortuately, but interesing enough.

Go http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/ and click on 'Folk and Country' in the bottom right corner. It has to be said though, English folk music is, as usual, under-represented in comparison to the other Isles traditions.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Brakn
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:32 AM

Here.


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Pied Piper
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:16 AM

I used to listen to Mikes program every week but then I fell out of the habit, and have just returned to listen the past 3 weeks, and I've really enjoyed them.
I didn't real care which of the tracks got played and certainly wouldn't have texed in.
I think Mike does a good job (certainly better than any of the previous incumbents) and his enthusiasm and love for the music comes over very well.
We already inhabit a very small but important area of the musical Cosmos lets not try to fracture it into even smaller competing factions.
Of cause I have my own favourites but when listening I enjoy a mixed bag best.

PP


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Subject: RE: Review: Another grumble about the Mike Harding P
From: Stu
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:31 AM

Thanks Brakn!


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