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BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?

Escamillo 24 Sep 04 - 12:12 PM
Strollin' Johnny 24 Sep 04 - 12:26 PM
John MacKenzie 24 Sep 04 - 12:28 PM
Bassic 24 Sep 04 - 03:32 PM
HuwG 24 Sep 04 - 04:02 PM
Dave Wynn 24 Sep 04 - 06:34 PM
Sorcha 24 Sep 04 - 07:27 PM
LilyFestre 24 Sep 04 - 07:28 PM
Gurney 25 Sep 04 - 03:16 AM
John MacKenzie 25 Sep 04 - 05:03 AM
Chris Green 25 Sep 04 - 06:50 AM
Big Al Whittle 25 Sep 04 - 07:48 AM
Fergie 25 Sep 04 - 12:45 PM
John MacKenzie 25 Sep 04 - 12:50 PM
Bassic 25 Sep 04 - 03:26 PM
Escamillo 25 Sep 04 - 05:22 PM
Stilly River Sage 26 Sep 04 - 10:07 AM
Escamillo 26 Sep 04 - 09:25 PM
GUEST,Raggytash 27 Sep 04 - 04:05 AM
Gervase 27 Sep 04 - 04:45 AM
Hrothgar 27 Sep 04 - 06:10 AM
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Subject: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Escamillo
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:12 PM

My son is looking for a good car at a convenient price. Here in Buenos Aires, among a hundred possibilities, we have found that many used Rovers (416, 400, 214, etc.) model 1996 to 2000, made in England, are now on sale for much less than the price of brand new small (and weak) Corsas and Gols. No comparison is possible respect to quality and performance, but the price of spare parts for Rovers in Argentina are seriously high.

If you own a Rover, would you keep it even when spare parts are 4 to 8 times their original cost ? If you use it (carefully) every day,would you trust in the quality of the car and not worry very much about spare parts? Or do they require frequent repairs?

I know that if we can wait two weeks, we could get any spare part from any dealer in England at the normal price. He could use my car (mmmhh..) in the meantime. Any comment will be welcome.

Un abrazo,
Andrés


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:26 PM

No, my dog's called Elvis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:28 PM

Rover parts have always been expensive, particularly Land Rovers etc. All I can suggest is buy the dearest one you can afford, preferably a diesel, and pre order from the UK consumables like oil, and fuel filters, and fan and timimg belts.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Bassic
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:32 PM

Generally solid cars..........with quite a bit of influence from Honda is the design and build quality which helps. I personally find the 1400cc models a bit lacking in power but the engine is Honda based so is reliable. The interiors, (of UK specification models at least) are usually of above average quality and materials. Still plenty around on UK roads and many being used as Taxis which is re-assuring to a certain extent. Agree with Goik, get the best one you can afford and look after it and it should give good service.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: HuwG
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 04:02 PM

I have a Rover 420. The 2 litre engine has been criticised for various reasons, but I have never had any problem with it.

A personal anecdote here. A friend bought a Rover 820, same engine, but bigger, heavier car. After he had owned it for a few weeks a warning light came on which suggested that catastrophic engine failure was imminent. He had to have it towed to the garage, they replaced some chip attached to the ignition system. The fault came back again, they replaced the chip again ...

Looking at the wiring diagram for the car, I could see at least eight input wires to the suspect chip. The garage seemed to be checking none of these. Eventually my friend sold the car in exasperation with the fault. He asked me whether I had ever had similar problems. I said no, I had removed the bulb from the warning light.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:34 PM

I have had 6 Rovers. Three 214s One 216Si and two 400 Diesels. Had each one from new for a one year period (comapny car). Had one squeeky rear door and one heated mirror fail. The rest performed admirably. I do approx 28K miles per year.

Spot


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:27 PM

catsPHiddle has a friend who has an older one. Suggest you PM her. And, I thought Rovers were either Jeep or Toyota? Honda????


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: LilyFestre
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:28 PM

I test drove a Rover and while I loved the vehicle, the saftey (crash) ratings were not to my satisfaction. For a vehicle that demands such a price, I would it expect it to carry a safety rating closer to that of a Volvo.

Lily


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Gurney
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 03:16 AM

Don't know about modern Rovers, but all second-hand cars have a life, and certain parts are of a sacrificial nature, particularly brake-pads and shoes, clutch parts, cam-belts, and exhaust systems, all of which will require replacing anytime after 70,000kms. This is why many cars are for sale at that mileage (KMage?) so perhaps you can pre-order these items, as advised by your mechanic.

When buying ANY used car, promptly change the brake-fluid. No-one does, but I used to test it in the factory, and you could measure the increased water content after the holidays, and it had just been sitting in a part-used drum.
This applies to traditional fluids, not the new silicon-based ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 05:03 AM

That falls into the category of things nobody ever does.
Like fit new HT leads every 2 years
Fit a new battery every 2 years
Flush and refill the radiator every year.
Mind you modern engines are so hard to get at, they don't make life easy for us DIY motorists.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Chris Green
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 06:50 AM

Word is that Rovers of the 600 series and up have Honda engines and are therefore good. I had a fairly new Rover 414 and the head gasket blew three weeks after I bought it. The guy at the garage told me that the 1, 2 and 400 series are a bit notorious for this!

Hope that helps

Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 07:48 AM

We are a skint family and we have pursued a similar policy albeit in the uk.. My brother in law did it with Rover, I bought a volvo. Both getting on in years. the volvo cost less in parts but was heavier on petrol.

all the best


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Fergie
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:45 PM

A driver was flagged down by a cop, The cop says "can I see your license" when he looks at it he says "Hey this is a dog license" "Yeah" says the driver "I'm driving a Rover".
Boom Boom


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:50 PM

I don't remeber dog licences!
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Bassic
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 03:26 PM

Jeweling Bazookas, there was a mix of Honda Petrol, Rover Petrol and Diesel, VM Diesel and Peugeot Diesel engines in all the Rover 100/200/400/600/800 series cars, I am afraid it isnt that simple!!

But again, Goik`s advice is sound, buy a good one to start with, (low miles, service history, etc.) Get it checked out by a competant mechanic before you part with any money, maintain it regularly and it should serve you well. There is a risk in buying any used car but the 200/400 series have no serious flaws, should give good service, and are relatively simple to service and maintain. I would avoid the 800 series however.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Escamillo
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 05:22 PM

We saw today a small 214 and fell in love with that machine. Love is no good way to decisions, so we will wait a little longer while we hear your comments which are very, very valuable ! One characteristic of the land in Buenos Aires is that the terrain is absolutely flat, and we hardly drive in mountains more than once in several years. The climate is mild in Summer and Winter, and this adds to the low demand we put on our cars.

Thanks a lot for you comments and if you have further stories or advice, please post them or PM me

Un abrazo,
Andrés and Mariano


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 10:07 AM

Here in the Western Hemisphere there must be as many U.S. vehicles that find there way down there as British ones from across the pond. Are you only considering Range Rovers or do Japanese/American vehicles like the Toyota Land Cruiser come into consideration (the old ones around the U.S. are considered classics)?

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Escamillo
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:25 PM

Thanks SRS, we look for a small car, a Rover series 200 or 400 or small Hondas, in the range of 6,000 us dollars (used, 1994 to 2000) since American/Japanese cars are much higher in price. Yes, 6k dollars buy a perfect condition Rover, Honda or Alfa Romeo, while a brand new (base, no air con) VW Gol or Chevrolet Corsa made of cheap plastic costs 7,000 and a used Land Cruiser could reach 15,000.

Another limitation is that the car should be easily adaptable to natural compressed GAS which is the popular fuel here, and we know that the small Rovers run on gas very well (one fourth the price of gasoline)

Un abrazo,
Andrés


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 04:05 AM

My Rover 600 now has 173,000 miles on the clock, starts first time, every time and has been nothing but reliable, I'm off on holiday shortly and will drive 1500 in a week and aprt from checking the oil, water and tyre pressures will have no concerns about doing so. We also drive a Rover 25 which we bought from new, in 20,000 we have not had one iota of trouble from the mechanics of the car, a few niggling trim issues but nothing to affect the performance of the car.
On the 600 the can-belt MUST be changed at 120,000 or you will have trouble


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 04:45 AM

Watch the cam belt, Escamillo. On many Rovers they go at around 75,000km, and you don't want it going when you're half-way up a mountain and far from the nearest garage. Consider replacing it pre-emptively, and carry a spare!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 06:10 AM

I have a Rover lawnmower.

Nothing to do with the car company.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 09:40 AM

what about a wild rover. will that do


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 09:47 AM

I have a family of weasels nesting in my beard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 09:49 AM

Me too! Can't get the buggers out either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 10:08 AM

I've had a white Rover for many a year
and spent all my money on spare parts and gear:-)

I'd concur with most things said. Remember if it is a Honda engined version then lots of parts will be interchangeable. Are Honda parts cheaper than Rover there in B.A.?

I had an older (1993) Rover diesel for 6 or 7 years with no trouble at all. That had a Peugeot engine though...

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 10:09 AM

so you are still there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: HuwG
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 10:55 AM

I did own a "G" registration (i.e manufactured in 1986 or 1987 in the UK) Rover 216. My experience with this wasn't as happy as with my current 420. I disposed of it after it was stolen for the second time, and the thieves did a lot of damage to the steering and ignition.

It had one alarming fault; it didn't like trips to the seaside. On three occasions after visiting my parents, who live on the Pembrokeshire coast, the piston which carried the carburettor float needle would get stuck in its cylinder. So at traffic lights, it would cough and then refuse to pull away; then after a prolonged run at 70 mph on the motorway, I would take my foot off the throttle and find that the car actually accelerated; not a pleasant prospect with a roundabout approaching at the end of the slip road !



(Prior to that, I owned a Triumph Acclaim. It didn't do well in the German export market, since its name translates as "Sieg Heil". It had exceptional performance for a 1300cc engine, because it was made very light. Too light in fact. In my case, the battery kept breaking its stays and going for a waltz across the top of the engine, and it blew a hole in a piston, under no particularly heavy load. Eventually it rusted, faster than an apple turns brown when it falls off the tree.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 04:59 AM

I learned to drive in a Rover..... nice car. Bastard to park because the rear windows were too small to see properly through whilst craned round at an angle and me too short to see the kerb without practically standing. I still managed to pass my test first time though!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Escamillo
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 07:28 PM

Looking for Rovers and falling in love deeper... would someone in England tell me what's the street price of a cam belt for a 214 or 216? Break pads ? Clutch cable ?

Note: I will not bug anyone asking for sending me spare parts, I'll do it directly to a dealer ! :))

Un abrazo
Andrés


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Grab
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 02:38 PM

Andres, Rovers are best avoided. As the name sounds, they're dogs... ;-)

Seriously though, they aren't very good cars. "Traditional British workmanship" for the last 30-odd years has meant "kludge it together and with a bit of luck no-one'll notice until it's out of warranty - there hasn't been a good British production car for a very long time. Stick to Japanese if you can.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Bassic
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 03:08 PM

Well I have just put my money where my mouth is and bought a Rover.........a 1997 420 SDi. Its got a huge milage and been very neglected but it is responding to some TLC and is a little gem!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Bassic
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 03:18 PM

Escamillio, I will do some checking for spare parts prices for you. Also there is a good supply of recycled used spare parts for these vehicles which are available on line which also helps keep running costs down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Nerd
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 04:24 PM

You should check The Village. They had a Rover, if I recall...


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 05:28 PM

I bought an M reg 214 |(1995) in 2000 for £1850 and sold it last week. Was very happy with it and it was higher specced than most cars in that range. They don't have a great reputation but I loved mine!!!

I now drive a Fiat Marea Weekend!

Mj


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 05:00 AM

Grab, there hasn't been a good British production car for a very long time. Stick to Japanese if you can.

The Rovers in question are Honda designed and built! Both the Rover series in question and the Honda Civic come from the same factory in Swindon. If British workmanship means kludge it together and with a bit of luck no-one'll notice until it's out of warranty how come not only Honda and Toyota but a host of other manufacturers chose to locate their production plants in the UK?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a die hard patriot and I do know we have a lot wrong here but I don't think this sort of misinformation does us any good. What's next? English Folk Music is crap and only good for taking the piss out of? Now, where do we often see that...;-)

BTW - I moved from a Rover 218 to a Honda Civic 1.5is VTEC last year. I had the Rover 7 years. I hope I have as little trouble with the Honda.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,Andy Garfield
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 07:32 AM

have owned a 414 from new since 1998.

This is probably not typical, but I've had to do the following:
(1) first time I washed it in 1998 the Rover badges washed off. HAd to be replaced with "better glue".

(2) 1999 - the throttle body started sticking on at high revs. A bit worrying for pedestrians at zebra crossings, and made for a bumpy ride when coming off a motorway at high speed. Took it to the local dealers (three times) - they didn't fix it. In fact they made it worse. A mate of mine at Rover said it's a well-known design fault with the K series engine. The official Rover line was that it's very rare.

(3) 2003 - Head Gasket replaced twice within 1 year. V. Expensive, both times.

(4) 2002 - Gearbox started grinding and then seized in the middle of the high street - very embarrassing. Replaced. That was expensive.

(5) 2004 - Exhaust manifold replaced

(6) 2004 - Alternator replaced - twice

(7) 2000 - Drivers electric window mechanism broken. Apparently due to operating it when in freezing conditions. So bare that in mind!

(8) 2000 - 2004 : Blower fan broken and replaced three times.

(9) 2000 - 2004 : Battery replaced 4 times

(10) 2003: Throttle body finally replaced using the Rover kit that they finally made

(11) 2000 - 2004 : Various rear lighting cluster lights sometimes stop working for no obvious reason

(12) 2003 : Power Steering reservoir hose sprung a leak


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 08:31 AM

If this is any help, I have been driving Rover Group (or constituent companies) built cars for thirty years. Only two of the vehicles I have owned have not been Austin, Morris or Rover - one was a Chrysler Sunbeam (heavily overengineered) and a Talbot Alpine - the only car I have kept for less than twelve months (intentionally).

No - please don't laugh! I know the Group have been slammed over the years, mainly over quality - especially during the seventies (the Red Robbo years), but the best thing that happened to them was the partnership with Honda. I bought my first 200 series in 1987, and the last one I kept for eight years. It was a brilliant car! Towards the end, it developed one or two problems - I had the gearbox rebuilt, and the only reason for parting with it was that by then it was twelve years old, had done 130K miles and was going to start getting expensive with things going wrong. We bought a 414 five years ago (replacing a mini!), and have been very pleased with it - apart from tyres and exhausts, we had one manifold gasket go a year ago or so, and that is it (touch wood).

I plan to keep my current 416 for several years - and replace it eventually with another Rover.

epn


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: IanC
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 08:32 AM

I have a Rover 220, N-Reg (old model), 9 years old, which my father bought from new and gave me before he died. It's still in good condition with hardly any rust or bodywork faults.

It's done 179,000 miles to date with no trouble and still goes like shit off a shovel, especially between 90 mph and 110. When I first tried it out, I gave up trying to go any faster at 140 mph as it just seemed to want to go and go.

The only 2 problems with it are:

1. The brakes are not ABS so it's a bit easy to go into a skid in an emergency.

2. The car tends to steam up, which seems to be due to the design of the ventilation / heating system.

:-)


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Subject: RE: Can someone Help me?
From: GUEST,iki
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:21 PM

Does the rover 420 sdi have heated mirrors ?

If not then i may have an electrical fault behind my driver side mirror as it gets very hot.

Or may be my passenger side heated mirror is not working properly.

Please can some one help, do i have an electrical fault, i have noticed a bulb has also fused on my headlamp.

Are these common faults.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,Dáithí mag Fhionnaín
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 07:40 AM

Mnay years ago I bought second hand a Rover 827Sli (F reg I think)at about 4 years old.
It was superb.
I liked the styling, it was top of the range spec and had the Honda Legend 2.7 litre V6 engine, with an autimatic 4speed box and 3 speed sports mode. It was roomy, comfortable,smooth and could catch pigeons. The only thing wrong witrh it when I sold it was the body work, especially the pillars which were rotting badly.I don't thinkmit ever broke down in the 3 years I had it.
Just lucky I guess?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody owns a Rover ?
From: GUEST,el burro
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 04:06 PM

Ive had a rover414 sli 16v for nearly two years and done many many miles and the only thing to go wrong was the alternator.
But something is really baffling me, and im wondering if anyone else has had this problem....
When playing the radio, whenever i turn left the speakers cut out!
does any1 know why this happens? ive checked all the connections and theyre fine.

cheers


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