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BS: The end of the world is nigh.

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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:15 PM

To you, Wolfgang, because I respect your opinions, I intended no insult.

I made an estimate, judging from the length of Teribus' posts and the deluge of statistics that he includes, that he posts more wordage than I do in the same period of time. I did not actually count. If I am wrong, very well, then I am wrong and I am sorry. I do wonder, however, why this matter seems to be so important, unless the purpose is simply to discredit me.

I grow extremely weary of the silly, stupid remarks that some people seem to feel impelled to post in a thread that has the possibility for a serious exchange of viewpoints and information. Partly, I am at fault for even responding to these trolls. I shall attempt to refrain in the future, and if a thread becomes too silly, I shall simply withdraw from it and go elsewhere.

Once again, Wolfgang, although I wonder why you felt it necessary to spend your time counting my wordage, I meant no insult to you.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:23 PM

So, Don

Have you considered taking a full page ad out in the newspaper on this?

You should consider the Yahoo forums. They are very serious there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:01 PM

Don,

I had somehow the impression you did not mean me and I'm really glad for that.

The tactic to point to a minor error (and/or bad spelling) to try to discredit a position is often used in Mudcat too. I personally find it best in such a case to post 'thanks for the correction' and go on with the main focus of the discussion. Every other reaction in my eyes only helps the others do what they consider their job.

Speaking about job, part of my research is about human errors of all types. Whenever I find a possibility to objectively check the accuracy of an impression or a memory I do it. Everywhere else, but also in Mudcat, when the opportunity comes. So when my wordprocessor was counting the words I was actually working. One of the rare situations when I can consider Mudcatting being part of my work.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:26 PM

In that case, Wolfgang, I thank you. Keep up the good work, and keep us honest.

And as for you, Marty, I was talking to Wolfgang. Go sit in the corner!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:22 PM

I would rather sit on your face.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM

Ooooh just the thought of that is giving me palpitations....poor Don...just don't think about what he said ...don't want you suicidal friend. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:38 PM

Not to worry, Georgiansilver.

That's not a very good idea, Marty. I have very sharp teeth!

[Fin cutting through the water, staccato cello playing in background.]

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:28 AM

Don and Martin,
Big boys and girls do name call in the street, or on Mudcat.
Please use the PM facility and give us all a break.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:03 AM

Whack! Bitchslapped again! Oooooo...the nastiness! Y'know, it takes two people to make a fight, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 12:56 PM

Yes the end of the world is nigh


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM

No, the end of the world is night.

No one ever says the word "nigh" in everyday language.

I'm not impressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:48 PM

Well, they used to though. They used to say things like "Thy doom is nigh, varlet! Hither hasteneth thy miserable demise! Repent while yet thou hast time to."

I miss those days. Now it's all I'm like,
whaddya mean?" So he's like, all "This is so OLD!" and I'm like, "Gimme a break!" and he's like, "Well, you can go if you want to...I'm not, like stoppin' you!" and I'm like, "Whatever!"

Gah! I think perhaps the end IS nigh...culturally speaking.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 04:41 PM

Obviously convincing you that the word nigh is in common use Martin is NIGH on impossible. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 04:54 PM

No one says it in America, georgiansilver. It's old English, like "arse" "aye" "yea"

The King's English is unacceptable here.

You should learn to speak American. Do me a favor with all of this Be Blessed stuff. Is this to constantly show us how religious and pious you are?   ditch it. what are you, Friar Tuck or something? It's like how some old fashioned English priest would talk in a castle in the 1500's after he had some fun with some choir boys.

Sheesh!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:05 PM

Be Blessed Martin...who knows it may be the only blessing you get onhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:11 PM

My rabbi blesses me all of the time.

he's qualified. What makes you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM

How do you know for sure that he's qualified, Martin?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:32 PM

Martin, I believe I am fully qualified to Bless anyone... that in itself does not make me holier than thou or something special..just someone who enjoys asking Blessings on anyone...from the really nice people to the downright pompous, nasty, unkind, stirring, etc etc. I'm sure you fit in there somewhere. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:03 PM

Little Hawk, I know that he is qualified because I see him all of the time, know his wife and family, know that he is a true spiritual leader of our community and is a good person.

all I know about georgiansilver is that he hangs around this web site and fancies himself as some kind of spiritual leader here. I picture him to look like friar Tuck in a monk's robe tied by a rope and a monk hair style with a bald spot in the middle.

My rabbi's blessings seem to come natually while this guy seems to be trying to play some role. Also, I know my Rabbi asks for blessings from the one true God, the God of Moses and the people of Israel. I have no idea who G-silver is asking to bless me. Be Blessed? by whom or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:21 PM

Martin could you please explain to me in what way I seem to be "fancying myself as a spiritual leader" and the "some kind of role" that I am playing is what??. I give opinions on things in which I am interested and always sign off with "be blessed" because that is part of my way of life. What is your problem with that?
Is your way is to try to upset as many people as you can on here? I will not be upset or intimidated by your words. There are many people on Mudcat whose opinions I value...even if I do not always agree with them. Unfortunately, your opinions seem to revolve around what you think of other people...which always seems to be negative..not their opinions on threads. It would appear that many of your comments on other people are unjustly made in any case. Such a pity you don't channel your thoughts into sensible conversation which I am sure you are capable of.
I don't intend to reply to any of your "taunts" but will reply to opinions you give on relevant topics.
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:25 PM

Okay, Martin, fair enough about your rabbi. So what bugs you about Georgiansilver is...you DON'T know him...and you're not sure where he's really coming from. Well, so what? Why worry about it? If God is in everyone (and by definition, He must be), then to bless everyone would seem to be a reasonable spiritual practice to follow. I don't think it necessarily indicates any kind of smug superiority on GS's part, but rather a belief in equality.

We agree there is one God. So obviously it is by that one God that GS is suggesting people be blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:26 PM

God Bless you Little Hawk. Thank you for your support.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:58 PM

There's no god.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:28 PM

You are right, Little Hawk. I don't know G-silver. But how am I to know what God he is into. He may be into devil blessing for all I know. I find it very weird that this guy has to bless everyone he addresses whether he knows them or not. No body cares. It's just weird and obsessive on his part. My rabbi is a spiritual man, but he doesn't go around blessing everyone he has a conversation with.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:32 PM

Well, I think Christ and Gandhi blessed everyone. That's good enough for me. :-) Be blessed. (Gotcha!) Meanwhile, we've got a Guest who says there's "no God". I wonder where we could find proof of that?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:16 AM

The Guest is a half-full douche bag.

Or half-empty.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: mg
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:26 AM

People say nigh all the time..like we've been married nigh on 50 years...nigh on 10 miles...it is quite common in America. And many variants of English, including the King's or Queen's own, are spoken here. The reason we do not sound more English is because we were a Dutch place for quite a while and speak English (some of us) with Dutch accents, or so I have been told. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:40 AM

Nah, I really don't believe that. Nobody says nigh in this country. Nobody, Italian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, black, German, Chinese, Japanese anyone who lives in a big city or can't relate to any King or Queen.

There might be a few Dutch in Iowa though who use it. Or a few decendants of the Puritans or Quakers. Maybe a couple of Amish.

Nah.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:23 AM

Why does 'prayer' scare people
This old thread (and the part II thread with the same theme) may give Georgiansilver some ideas about the diversity of the people here.

The reaction of the Mudcatters to the use of religious formulations in daily exchanges is mixed.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:40 AM

There's hardly any decade in the last millenium for which there has not been a prediction of the end of the world. In the last hundred years, there has been an average of about one prediction per year. Last year, I know of two predictions of the end of the world (last time I looked one was still in the web in 2004!), this year I only know of one (for some date in October; if someone is worried when exactly to bid goodbye to the friends and relations, PM me for the exact date).

The next "this time for sure" prediction is for 2012 when for some believers the Maya calendar runs out of numbers and therefore...

One thing seems to be sure to me: when the world comes to its end there'll be someone who has predicted the end for exactly that year.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Sweetfia
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:52 AM

Sure it is!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:30 PM

The Gospel according to Merriam-Webster (please rise):—
nigh (nî) adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German, adverb, nigh, preposition, nigh, after, Old Norse nigh.
Date, before 12th century

Definition
1 : near in place, time, or relationship — often used with on, onto, or unto
2 : NEARLY, ALMOST
(You may be seated.)

It is also listed in Merriam-Webster (lastest electronic version, by the way) as an adjective, a preposition, and a verb; and in compound form as well-nigh.

Although it may be considered an archaic term (from the 12 century or earlier), it is still very much in common usage in English speaking countries (but perhaps not in Chicago — or perhaps not to those who have a limited vocabulary)

Your welcome,

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM

Correction:   erroneous diacritical mark in the pronunciation of "nigh" in the above post. In the cut-and-past from MS Word to Mudcat, it did not translate properly; it switched from a dash to a caret. The correct pronunciation is with a long "i"; rhymes with "my". But I'm sure most of use know that.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:00 PM

Correction again.

I have my nigh head up Merriam Webster's ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:29 PM

Obviously the post "GUEST,Don Firth" is not me. Care to take a couple of guesses as to who it really is? I have a pretty good idea myself.

Don Firth (the real one)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:41 PM

Yes Don...The guy pretending to be you is obviously living to a particular type of character....perhaps we should try to forgive him as he knows not what he does. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 10:28 PM

He is probably someone who takes a kind of perverse delight in consuming ever larger amounts of your time, energy, and emotional attention, Don. :-) Now, who might that be? (it isn't me)

A conversation is like a dance. It takes two to tango.

I like the word "nigh". It's a lovely word. I hope it soon regains popularity in Chicago. The word "like" on the other hand is getting over-used these days, and should be accompanied by a 25 cent surcharge for each unnecessary utterance. If this were done the national debt could be paid off in a week, due solely to the efforts of teenage girls!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:25 PM

Like, uh, wasn't me. But I couldn't have said it better. Maybe you have some other fans, Don. A lot here hide behind Guest postings. I don't. It's more fun to be bluntly honest with you.

As for Chicago, 8 million people can't be wrong. After all, we have Da Bears, da Bulls and our beloved Mayor Daley.

It is really a stupid, OUTFATED old English word, though and very, very WASPish. People don't use it in normal conversation, especially people who don't walk around quoting dictionaries, or Bible spouting wannabes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:26 PM

OUTFATED and OUTDATED!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:23 AM

Bless you Martin,it is such light relief reading your postings. The character you play is quite admirable really in a perverse sort of way but don't let him get a hold on the real you. Ber Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:27 AM

8 million people can be wrong! Hell, 100 million people can be wrong. I've seen it happen before. But can 3800 Chimps be wrong? That's the real question. I asked Chongo about it, and he says that no real Chimp he ever knew ever uses the word "nigh" in normal conversation. It appears that Chongo and Martin are in agreement on this one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: mg
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM

Yes, people use it in what is to them normal conversation. They might be more rural and Southern American, I don't know. I think it is more commonly used in the south, but we have had huge internal migrations, such as where I am from, especially following the dust bowl and in WWII to work in shipyards etc. Vancouver WA has a huge Appalachian population, and whole towns in Washington have a very large southern population. Lots of people use this expression. There is no one American accent or vocabulary (except we have been told that the PNW one is sort of news broadcaster standard). There is no reason any of us should be surprised that old, outdated English words should remain in usage in America. There are pockets in North America where English words and phrases are maintained that were lost in the Auld Country. Rural hamlets and poor roads and all. It's something we just have to deal with I guess.... mg


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 04:18 PM

Right as usual, Little Hawk. Although rather than a tango, this has been, perhaps, more like (nigh unto) a fencing lesson. I used to fence years ago and, as evidenced by a case full of trophies and medals, I grew to be a swordsman of considerable skill and force.

Actually, my crossing blades with Marty has exacted minimal time, little energy, and the only emotional attention involved started with mild irritation when Marty first began responding to some of my serious posts some months back, not with contributions to a rational discussion, but toilet-oriented insults. The irritation quickly changed to a bit of fun:   a battle of wits in which I (cruelly, I admit) engaged an opponent who is poorly armed and ill-trained for such combat. This verbal fencing match involved my swift, humorous ripostes to his crude, clumsy, and easily parried thrusts.

This is essentially the method of handling hecklers that Bob Gibson (no relation to Martin Gibson, even though they are both associated with Chicago) explained to me back in 1958 when he spent a couple of weeks in Seattle. "Don't lose your cool," Gibson told me. "Turn it into an opportunity for comedy. Draw the heckler out and let him make a fool of himself." Since Marty started out by heckling me, this is the technique I adopted.

This has gradually morphed into boredom. Since Marty also heckled other people, some of whom also began responding with humorous barbs, I noticed that since Marty seems to have a compulsion to answer each one of us, it was possible for just a few of us working in relays to keep him spinning like a top. However, it has become tedious and repetitive, so I am leaving the field to others. Naturally, Marty will continue to heckle me wherever I go, but henceforth, rather than attempting to explain to him the error of his ways along thrusts of my rapier-like wit, all he will get from me now will be selections from my vast store of hilarious one-liners.

Due to my commitment to more interesting and important things, this will be my last lengthy post to or about Fartin' Gibbon. Any further responses from me to his feeble lunges with his dull sword will be to a) simply ignore him, or b) skewer him (once again) with a single swift and devastating riposte.

The mark of a great soul is to love all mankind, even the least lovable. Or, at least, to try. As Georgiansilver would say, be blessed.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 11:40 AM

Boring, Don.

Very self serving, as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:05 PM

Martin:

According to the auto-ad at the bottom of this page, the good news is that Christ is coming back.

Are you really ready for this?

Look around you, all you see
Is sympathetic eyes.
Walk around the grounds until you feel at home...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM

Boring, Marty? But you couldn't help but read the whole thing, could you!?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 06:18 PM

Barely skimmed it, Don. Really. Kept seeing blah, blah, blah, blah.

Except for about the hundreth time you said that you wouldn't react to what I write.

Otherwise, a big yawn.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:20 PM

Oh, I will react from time to time as I said. But I will no longer waste generous quantities of my deathless prose on you. That's rather like asking Shakespeare to write a procedures manual for cleaning toilets. A monumental waste of talent.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:33 PM

One taketh a shit; however, one must giveth a shit in order that one might then taketh . . . . Ah, fergit it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:50 PM

Stalked again, Don.

Your prose sucks. And your pompous snobdom shows me so much about you. For some, even smart and talented people, cleaning toilets is all of the work they can get. For them, it is an honestly earned wage. You owe hard working people like that an apology, but don't bother, I don't expect it from one of Mudcat's self appointed hero's in their own mind.

Hi Brucie, where have you been lately?


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