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BS: The end of the world is nigh.

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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Read the signs
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 06:58 AM

For those who are familiar with End Times prophecies, key institutions and prominent individuals have been observing the signs and pointing them out for some time.

The Catholic Church recently referred to this as "a time of wars and rumours of wars", a direct quote from the apocalyptic prophecies of the Christian scripture:

http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0064

To all those in this group who dismiss prophecy as childish nonsense, I would remind you that the US President, the most powerful man in the world, is a self-confessed believer, and openly looks forward to the end of the world when, he believes, Christ will descend to judge and rule forever.

As one commentator wrote at the turn of the millennium:

"You may not believe in gods or prophecy, but among the leaders of nations there are those who do." (T. Acheson, 1999)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 11:00 AM

I told you before: it ended in October, 1844.

Or maybe before that. Or after that. But William Miller said October, 1844, even though he'd been wrong earlier that year.

Frankly, I don't give tinker's damn WHAT other people believe about this. Even the friggin' Vatican.

But I suggest, since they are all supposed to be Bible-readin' folks, they re-read Matthew 24:36, Matthew 24:50, and Luke 12:46 -- among others.

And then stop worrying about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 01:32 PM

Amos, if I grow up as you call it, I will be as constipated and unenlightening as you are.

If you were to grow up, as I call it, you wouldn't be such an old-fashioned out of date hippie that's still having a hard time with the world as it is, instead of enjoying the one life you get.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 05:03 PM

I'm enjoying the hell out of life, Marty, as I am sure Amos is. Amos, if you care to check member profiles, has had a pretty darned adventurous life (and what have you done?). A major aspect of our enjoyment is folk music and all aspects of it, and that's what draws us to a web site like Mudcat, where we can exchange knowledge and experience. But being intelligent people with wide-ranging interests, we discuss other things as well. Some people spend a lot of time on Mudcat (such as people like Teribus, who seems to have little else to do), but others of us pop in for a few minutes maybe a couple two or three times a day to see if anything new has been posted on threads that interest us.

Granted, I spend most of my day at the computer, but off-line, flogging the word processor, because I am now a writer by trade (several published magazine articles and a book in the works). Not all that much of my time is spent in cyberspace, but I do spend some time there doing research for my writing. I also pull out one of my guitars at least once a day, practice for an hour or so and sing through a number of songs, both old and newly learned, partly to keep my hand in and mostly because I love it. I don't perform three or four nights a week as I did some years ago, but I do still perform with some regularity. Contrary to what you seem to think (encountering me only here on Mudcat and not having enough imagination to think that this might be only a small facet of my life), I have lots of contact with the world outside of cyberspace. I am married to a wonderful woman, we live in a large, comfortable apartment, we have many friends, we enjoy a full social life, and we entertain often.

But what puzzles me is how someone who gets his jollies (you've said so several times, Marty) by coming into a thread in which a serious exchange of information is occurring and, having nothing of consequence to add, attempts to disrupt the discussion by posting snide and snotty remarks, replete with insults consisting mostly of references to bodily functions (invariably centered around the crotch) of people he has never met can still reasonably insist that he is a happy man with a full life. If he is indeed happy and has a full life, why does he not have anything of consequence to add? Why does he want to disrupt the discussion? Why is he so full of bitterness, nastiness, and—yes, quite probably—hatred? And what sort of perverted outlook can convince him that he's having fun doing this? This is the same sort of fun a street-corner lout gets by pulling out the spray can and defacing the front of a building. Very mature.

No. This is a person who is narrow-minded, intellectually shallow, and fixated at the emotional level of a three-year-old (characteristically fascinated by bodily functions, especially excrement), and who, again, like a three-year-old, is ego-centered, has nothing to add to an adult conversation, but demands attention anyway.

You may be be fifty years old, Marty, but Amos has you pegged. Obviously you never grew up.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 06:14 PM

Martin,

I have to thank Don for rising to my defense, but I also have to give you some credit -- your creative insults would be just the right thing to draw blood if I was who you think I am. Unfortunately, I ain't. So they fall flat in the dust.

I have a life, working as an engineer and systems analyst; I have a place of my own in the world, friends and family, and am generally p[retty damn happy with my life. What I protest about in the world is usually things like man's inhumanity to man, and the stupidity of a nation that votes for storm troopers. Aside from that, and wishing I could have my 35-year old weight and muscle tone back, I'm doing fine, thanks!

Aside from that I think Don pretty well said it all.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 06:30 PM

'"You may not believe in gods or prophecy, but among the leaders of nations there are those who do." (T. Acheson, 1999)'

If all this is true, does it mean that whoever has the most toys when it ends wins?

Keriste, give me a break.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 07:45 PM

Well, who says I don't believe in Gods or prophecy, GUEST? I just may interpret that prophecy in a different way, though...as a metaphor for something that happens inside a human being rather than out there in the outer World. Or I might not. Depends on the prophecy. A lot of the prophecies in Revelation appear to me to be about the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, for instance. If so, they were fulfilled quite some time ago. Christ also prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem (by the Romans). The persecution of Christians by Imperial Rome was also prophesied. Any number of things have been prophesied here and there...many of them by holy men who are not part of either the Bible or the Christian religion. Same came true, and some did not...or not in the way that people expected.

I imagine that Hitler figured the World was ending in April 1945! For him and his regime, it most certainly did.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

The world has no end. It's a sphere. I though Columbus settled that years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 08:34 PM

And the Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, and Chinese settled it a long time before Columbus! (Not to mention the Lemurians and the Atlanteans...) These things tend to get forgotten in less civilized areas as time goes by.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:33 PM

Actually, Ferdinand Magellan was the first one we know of to circumnavigate the globe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:38 PM

dear "Read the Signs"...I did-- they all contradict each other. Prophets have been predicting the 'end' for centuries, and will continue to do so...and they will all be wrong until the last one..and he will be wrong about the details.

"I would remind you that the US President, the most powerful man in the world, is a self-confessed believer, and openly looks forward to the end of the world when, he believes, Christ will descend to judge and rule forever."    ......and if he believed in elves at the bottom of the garden?
ANY man who mixes his religious beliefs with his politics like that should not have such a job.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,freda
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:29 AM

as the old Hindu saying goes, "even if the lotus born Brahma says something illogical, it should be rejected like a straw".


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 09:37 AM

Look, it won't happen until I decide that it will. Since I created it all, including all of you (whether you realize it or not), I and I alone will decide when it's over. And it's not over yet, because I'm having too much fun.

And if you doubt me on this, shame shame on you. Nyah, nyah, nyah. You'll know soon enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 10:39 AM

From Don Firth: "Some people spend a lot of time on Mudcat (such as people like Teribus, who seems to have little else to do), but others of us pop in for a few minutes maybe a couple two or three times a day to see if anything new has been posted on threads that interest us."

Clicking on Don Firth you get oldest post Sept 1999 and a total of 3383 posts, or 59 per month.

Clicking on Teribus you get oldest post Feb 2002 and a total of 1477 posts, or 49 per month.

Looks more like you're the one that's got little else to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 10:44 AM

GUEST,

Facts are not allowed to be used against anyone with the proper political viewpoint.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:56 AM

And you will find earnest, dedicated people on both the Right and the Left faithfully practicing that precept which Bearded Bruce mentioned! (while disagreeing totally with one another) :-)

Accordingly, what is the "proper political viewpoint" all depends on whom you are talking to...

The same phenomenon can be seen happening with Israelis and Palestinians or Protestant and Catholic Irish.

Never pay ANY attention to a fact that does not support your accustomed position! Such facts do not deserve your attention, and are probably the work of the Devil!!!! (he can alter reality to mislead people, right?)

Heh! Heh!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:00 PM

Poor Rapaire..Read a lot of your posts but never suspected the "delusions of grandeur"..... but take heart it can be treated friend.
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:04 PM

Bye bye.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:13 PM

Thanks, Guest for the stats on don firth. It is obvious by your thankful contribution, you've proved a real point.

Don and amos, I don't try to justify my existance to you. why do you feel so necessary to justify yours to me?

Mudcat is to me something different than it is to you. I like the music part of it and like to contribute. The BS section represents to me some of the most egotistical and pompous personalities I have seen. It has nothing to do what you do for a living or having a wonderful wife. I am not full of hatred, bitterness, or nastiness as you say, however I am somewhat fun loving and mystified that this vehicle means so much to you to feel important.

Just look at those 3300+ posts Don.

Don, you're boring.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:16 PM

There is no justification for your existence, Martin!

But at least you ain't boring...


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:30 PM

Chongo, Martin Gibson only exists here. Only that there is a Mudcat is reason for him to exist.

Otherwise, life is pretty normal away from here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:37 PM

the work of the Devil!!!! (he can alter reality to mislead people, right?)

well - according to strict canon - no.

However he can alter the perception of reality - which for all intents and purposes is the same thing - however should the devil "change" say - molten lead to wine and you drink it - you still end up with a scorched and seared esophagus and a bellyful of lead - you just wouldn't notice it at first.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:21 PM

It looks to me like GUEST and Marty don't have enough to do if they spend their time counting up who posted how many times. I wasn't referring to the number of times Teribus has posted, but to the length of his posts. And as far as the number of times I've posted, note that that works out to about two posts a day. Not that much less than Teribus, but thoroughly understandable if you note that, granted I do write up some fairly long posts sometimes, many of my posts are one-liners   Terubus' posts tend to run on to 1,000 or more words, full of statistics and stuff that he's had to research (at least, he claims he has), so the actual time that goes into one of his posts is probably a lot more than mine. Since you have so much time on your hands and you seemed to be so interested in statistics, you might try downloading all of my posts and all of Teribus' posts, doing a total word count on both of us and then compare. That would give you a better indication of who spends more time doing what. Also, some of the things I post are cut-and-paste from the book I'm writing. Takes only a moment. And some of the things I write here qualify as first drafts for the book or for magazine articles. So many of my posts do double-duty. I make no apologies.

And Marty, of course you find me boring. You have to dismiss me. If you agreed with my assessment of you as a total person, your bitterness, nastiness, and your level of intellectual and emotional maturity, it would be a major blow to your sick little ego and you'd probably wind up in a corner curled up in the fetal position sucking your thumb.

Have a nice day.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:33 PM

Don, don't tell me what kind of day to have.

I didn't count your posts. Guest did. but you count others words and criticize.

You are obsessed with your own importance.

I find your posts boring because they have nothing to say. I don't agree at all of your assessment of me because it is wrong. Your level of intellectual and emotional maturity is just what is so boring about you.

You say nothing but blah, blah, blah and expect people to nod their head and agree with you.

It's just blah, blah, blah. Bottle it and sell it to insomniacs. No swearing, Don. No name calling as you do. Just my truthful and honest assessment of Don Firth's biggest fan. Himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 04:50 PM

Rave on, little man, rave on.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 04:53 PM

Rave On was a great song by Buddy Holly.

There I taught you something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Read the signs
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:23 PM

At first I thought this was a serious discussion. I apologise for any misunderstanding.

It's easy to jump on the cynical bandwagon when prophecy is mentioned and refuse to take it seriously. Most people do, but they rarely have anything original or insightful to contribute to the debate. Congratulations to everybody who made cheap jokes and sarcastic remarks, I was impressed by your wit. No, really.

For those of you on this forum who have an open-mind, you may wish to seek the facts and consider them for yourself before passing judgement.

If you're looking for answers, you could do worse than start here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:38 PM

GUEST,Read the signs

Just because some people don't agree does not make them closed-minded and your own sarcasm does not trump that of others.

You're also asking us to believe in these prophecies based upon the fact that George W. Bush believes. This is the same man who believed the people who told him there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Have you anything a bit more concrete to offer?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 07:40 PM

Something seems to be emerging on this thread as it has on many others. I would call it unhealthy competition but perhaps I am misled.
Is it important who puts the longest write ups on a thread or replies to most threads? Personally I like to reply to the ones I feel I have something important to say on but also allow myself the joy of putting replies or starting threads of a light hearted nature. Once again some nastiness appears....It costs so little to be courteous to and tolerant of people even if you fail to accept their opinions. Of course I once again expect to have to survive another attack for voicing this opinion and will no doubt be told I am "holier than thou" in manner by some of those who feel "shot at" but there you go.
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM

Read the signs...it's hard to tell whether a post is serious when it is anonymous, ("worried") and "worried" does not come back to continue the discussion. ...unless that was YOU...kinda hard to tell.

That sort of post is bound to get negative comments, but this crowd will debate it seriously, even if we disagree. It didn't really 'feel' like a question, but only a request for assurance and agreement.

Your post was barely more than that, and included the silliness suggesting that if GW Bush agrees, it sure oughta be true! What DO you expect when you lead with your chin?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:43 PM

Aw jeeze. Ya know, I would like you-all to meet my friend Harvey, too. He's seven feet tall, a white rabbit. Nicest white rabbit in this part of the world.

He doesn't bite. Hey!! Come back and shake hands, fellas. Fellas??? FELLLLAS?

Aw jeeze, Harvey!! NOW what are we gonna do???


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:56 PM

I have met Harvey, and I was...well...unimpressed. Frankly, Amos, I think Chongo Chimp is much more entertaining, and I am surprised that you are still hanging out with that silly rabbit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 12:08 AM

Thanks LH. At least he doesn't rub against my coat pocket all the time. He comes from a more civilized era, when delusions were an honorable profession.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 09:51 AM

Silly Rabbit.

Trix are for kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 10:52 AM

I wasn't referring to the number of times Teribus has posted, but to the length of his posts. (Don Firth)

That comes close to argumentaum ad ignorantiam which you have so beautifully explained in a recent post. It could be done in principle but it would be very time consuming.

I did it the easy way, Don, with two small samples.

In this thread, you have posted an average of 255 words per post in seven posts. I took Teribus last seven posts in the old Mudcat search for comparison (eliminating one empty post) and found an average of 121 words per post.

I know that Teribus writes very long posts sometimes but so do others including you and me.

My cursory impression, Don, is that you have claimed something as a fact which was based on faulty personal impression and nothing else. When you have been corrected on the number of posts you quickly did switch to length of posts. My first quick check did not come out in favour of your claim.

Could it simply be that you are wrong? We all know that diatribes from people we do not agree with seem to be much longer (and unnessessarily so) than those of people we agree with. And the posts we ourselves write are concise and mostly too short to tell all the good arguments we know. You may have been a victim of this bias.

I have often done some counts when people have claimed something on the posting history, for here personal impression can be checked against reality (and as many know, I always look for dsicrepancies between personal impression and reality). One more example: Ake recently has claimed that right-wing posters use more often than left-wing posters words belittling opponents. If one actually counts one finds that that is simply not true. Ake here is partially blind, for he spots the offenders on the other side of the political continuum and overlooks them on his side.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 10:55 AM

hear, hear, Wolfgang!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 12:42 PM

wolfgang, you are right.

Don was wrong.

(7 words total)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 01:44 PM

Excluding the parenthetical observation. ;o)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:24 PM

So I was wrong about the word count. Now, just what does all this prove?

It's amazing how much free time some folks have.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:32 PM

This was not free time. That was time well spent.

(10 words, about 10 seconds)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM

Martin:

Go piss up a rope. (5 wds).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 03:34 PM

Only if you are standing below it for the descent of that piss.

Do you need an explanation about gravity?

6 words Amos, including my name. Do you need help in this department?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 03:43 PM

This thread started out as a fairly interesting topic for discussion, but it has been taken over by twits, philistines, trolls nit-pickers and nincompoops. I'm outta here. I've got better things to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 03:50 PM

Nincompoops? Don, this is the 21st century.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Hey I heard Chicken Little was interested in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:42 PM

But did you know that in England Chicken Little is known as Chicken Licken?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:51 PM

I suppose the "Love thy neighbour" thing is not possible where some are concewrned, as all they seem to do is go from thread to thread causing mayhem and trying to upset or wind up others who at least have valid opinions. You know who you are...why do you do it?? what is so wrong with your balance of credibility that you have to attack others just because their opinion differs from yours.
Learn to Bless others and "Be Blessed" I say....


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 06:01 PM

When you sneeze, I will say bless you.

OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 07:24 PM

Crap.

(One word.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:49 AM

Don,

I would have thought (and still tend to think) that you belong to the people who can acknowledge a correction with style and without insults.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: el ted
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:51 AM

100. I thank you, my work here is done.


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