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Subject: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,worried
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 03:49 PM

So for many years there have been people walking around with sandwich boards which tell us that "The end of the world is nigh" So is it so????? Someone told me to read my Bible to see the truth and so I have.The references they gave me are seemingly saying that there will be earthquakes in places where they were not before YES There will be pestilence,(Mosquitos in an American city, which had to be destroyed only last year) Wars and rumours of wars etc etc etc.....So are we in the end times that the Bible predicts and if so what do we do about it??? Tell me as it really has me gripped.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 03:52 PM

Which American city was destroyed last year because of mosquitoes? I must have missed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 03:54 PM

I doubt if there is anyplace on earth that hasn't ever had earthquakes.

and dang few that don't have mosquitos or sickness of one sort or another.

Likewise point out to me any time period greater then possibly a few days in the last few centuries where there hasn't been "war or rumours of war" SOMEWHERE


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 03:55 PM

probably somewhere in michagen Rapaire - they grow 'em big there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:03 PM

GUEST, you are among millions and millions of people who have been worrying about this ever since the 1st Century A.D. There has never been a century in which the various signs you mention did not occur. There are always wars and rumours of war, pestilences, unexpected earthquakes in unexpected places, etc. Always! You just have to look for them and by golly you will find them. :-)

Believe me on this. The world has been "about to end" ever since the year 1, and it will be "about to end" long after you or I have shuffled off this mortal coil.

There's a pschological reason for people to think that way...which is this: they are mortal. They know darned well that the drama of their particular little physical life is going to end at some point (though I believe their soul goes on afterward, but that's another issue). Knowing that their own end is in the cards, it hardly seems fair that the whole World should go on so nicely without them. All our stories have an end, so why shouldn't the World? It makes for a neat, complete, and satisfying conclusion to the whole thing, right?

This is foolish. The World is not going to end, it's going to change. The Universe is not going to end, it's going to change. Everything changes.

Besides, those passages in the Bilbe are not really so much about an outward physical event as they are about an inner spiritual event that occurs inside each person when they go through spiritual development and change. When your spiritual consciousness undergoes a profound shift (as it does when you attain "Christ consciousness", for example) then the old World that you knew does indeed end...because you are seeing it through new eyes. That doesn't mean that the physical planet has ended, it just means that your way of perceiving life has changed radically.

So many Christians were terrified about the "end of the World" around the approach of the year 1000 that thousands and thousands of people went crazy and killed themselves....or killed other people....or did various ridiculous things, creating social chaos.

Guess what? It didn't end in the year 1000. It won't end this time either, but I would be very surprised if it didn't keep changing some. That's the nature of Life.

Anyway, whether it ended or not, that wouldn't change your spiritual challenges one iota as far as I'm concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:08 PM

Pretty well put Little Hawk, except I would add that guest, worried is watching his life pass by and not doing enough living.

I would first suggest getting a picture of Alfred E. Newman (What, me worry?) to gaze at everyday and to consider finding something that gives his/her life meaning. Christ might not be the answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:22 PM

Awright!!! LOL! That is a great idea, Martin. What an icon.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:29 PM

Guest worried...If you wish to find out more about Christianity...which I would imagine your friend is trying to interest you in...go to Alphacourse.org and find a course near you. Go on the course, learn what is there and then choose for yourself which path you take. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:35 PM

Of course, you could get even more confused if you go that route.

Hmmm, should I choose Lutheran, Catholic, Protestant, Episcopalan (supporting gay priests or not), Mormon, Baptist, Reformed church. I must be missing something else.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:40 PM

And remember this...within Christianity itself you will find many different opinions and interpretations regarding both the Bible and the life of Jesus. Investigate, follow your own best instincts, and keep an open mind. A teaching based on love is a far better guide than a teaching based on fear.

Then, if you have the time and inclination, look into the Muslim teachings, the Hindu traditions, the Buddhist traditions, the Jewish religion, the Zoroastrian and Bahai religions, the North American Indian Medicine Way, and so on. You may find that the central spiritual ideas in all of them have a great deal in common. Or you may not. That will depend on your nature, not the teachings themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:40 PM

Don't worry about the end of the world worried.

Worry about Martin Gibson's sanity. Its end seems much closer to nigh.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:41 PM

since, without exception, every living thing will die, why are you worried just because it may happen en mass?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:44 PM

Or, get a guitar and let music take your spirit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:46 PM

Seeing as that Jack the Sailor has now completely destroyed this thread, watch out that you do not get gonnorhea because he has posted here. Wear latex gloves when using your keyboard.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:49 PM

The Christian Bible? Probably only applies to that portion (less than half) of the world where there is a significant Christian population.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 04:50 PM

Are you crediting Jack with Godlike powers, Martin? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 05:40 PM

So...half of the World is going to end? That sounds awkward.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 06:02 PM

For my two cents worth you don't need to spend your time learning about Xianity. SPend it being who you really are, more and more. That's the only thing you leave with anyway!! :>))

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 06:03 PM

I'm waiting for the Rupture, when all the dead folks will be raised up bodily.

Sure is gonna be crowded.

Don't worry about the world coming to an end, wars and rumours of wars, stars falling from the sky, great beasts with 666 on their foreheads trotting around, or any of the rest of it.

I have it on excellent authority that no one knows the day or the hour.

                   Channel Firing

             That night your great guns, unawares,
             Shook all our coffins as we lay,
             And broke the chancel window-squares,
             We thought it was the Judgment-day

             And sat upright. While drearisome
             Arose the howl of wakened hounds:
             The mouse let fall the altar-crumb,
             The worms drew back into the mounds,

             The glebe cow drooled. Till God called, "No;
             It's gunnery practice out at sea
             Just as before you went below;
             The world is as it used to be:

             "All nations striving strong to make
             Red war yet redder. Mad as hatters
             They do no more for Christés sake
             Than you who are helpless in such matters.

             "That this is not the judgment-hour
             For some of them's a blessed thing,
             For if it were they'd have to scour
             Hell's floor for so much threatening ....

             "Ha, ha. It will be warmer when
             I blow the trumpet (if indeed
             I ever do; for you are men,
             And rest eternal sorely need)."

             So down we lay again. "I wonder,
             Will the world ever saner be,"
             Said one, "than when He sent us under
             In our indifferent century!"

             And many a skeleton shook his head.
             "Instead of preaching forty year,"
             My neighbour Parson Thirdly said,
             "I wish I had stuck to pipes and beer."

             Again the guns disturbed the hour,
             Roaring their readiness to avenge,
             As far inland as Stourton Tower,
             And Camelot, and starlit Stonehenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 06:13 PM

Worry about Martin Gibson's sanity. Its end seems much closer to nigh.
_______________________________________

Seeing as that Jack the Sailor has now completely destroyed this thread, watch out that you do not get gonnorhea because he has posted here. Wear latex gloves when using your keyboard.
______________________________________

Bingo!!!

and you can say you were there when he finaly went completely off the deep end!!!!!

LOL LOL LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 06:21 PM

Called it clap when I was a kid. However, . . . .

The world will end or it won't.

If it does, you won't be here to worry about it. If it doesn't end, you will be here to worry about it.

You will end or you won't. If you do end, you won't be here to worry about it. If you don't end, you will be here to worry about it.

So, it goes like this: Keep worrying, because it means the world didn't end. And if we know YOU are doing the worrying, then the rest of us can relax.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 06:30 PM

Worrying puts a strain on the nervous system and accomplishes nothing useful whatsoever.

I can easily recall numerous occasions in the past 50 years when various people assured me that the World was shortly going to end (sometimes on a specific day even). It never did.

One was a friend I had when I was ten years old. She had heard the World was going to end and was very concerned. I said that if she really believed it, she might as well give me all her toys and stuff, cos she wouldn't be needing them. She refused! Evidently her faith was not rock solid. Well, when the World didn't end she was kind of embarrassed, but glad that at least she hadn't given me all those toys.

Now, imagine the frustration and chagrin of someone who's been telling everyone the World will end at noon on July 30th, so they'd better repent...and then he gets hit by a truck and killed on the afternoon of July 29th...and MISSES the whole thing by a day!!! ARGH! He never even gets to find out if he was right all along...and if so, to say, "See? I told you it was going to end!" to all those people who scoffed at him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 06:52 PM

What on earth do you mean, LH? Of course he gets to find out, assuming he recovers from the shock of death.


( Imagine waking and finding yourself gone completely!! How would you ever figger it out?)


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:01 PM

In fact the world has ended every time somone has said it would, according to string theory, in some other probable world.
In another probability Chongo is typing the compleate Shakespeare, without error as we type gibberish in something called monkeycat.org


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:06 PM

Yeah, sure, Amos...but I mean he doesn't get to be there "in the physical" for the big event, as it were. This would be rather anticlimactic, don't you think, after having spent so much time getting all people all worked up about it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Lanfranc
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:08 PM

Contemplating the following restores a sense of perspective. Nowadays the end may come in different ways, but the sentiment is still the same!

WE WILL ALL GO TOGETHER WHEN WE GO

When you attend a funeral
It is sad to think that sooner or
Later those you love will do the same for you
And you may have thought it tragic
Not to think of other adject-
Ives to think of all the weeping they will do
(But don't you worry)
No more ashes, no more sack cloth
And an arm band made of black cloth
Will someday never more adorn a sleeve.
For if the bomb that drops on you
Gets your friends and neighbors too
There'll be nobody left behind to grieve.

And we will all go together when we go,
What a comforting fact that is to know.
Universal bereavement,
An inspiring achievement,
Yes, we all will go together when we go.

We will all go together when we go.
All suffused with an incandescent glow.
No one will have the endurance
To collect on his insurance
Lloyds of London will be loaded when they go.

We will all fry together when we fry.
We'll be french fried potatoes bye and bye.
There will be no more pain or misery
When the world is our rotisserie,
Yes, we all will fry together when we fry.

Down by the old maelstrom
There'll be a storm before the calm.

And we'll all bake together when we bake.
There'll be nobody present at the wake.
With complete participation,
In that grand incineration
Nearly three billion hunks of well-done steak.

We will all char together when we char.
And let there be no moaning at the bar.
Just sing out a Te Deum
When you see that I.C.B.M.
And the party will be "come as you are".

We will all burn together when we burn.
There'll be no need to stand and wait your turn.
When it's time for the fallout,
And Saint Peter calls us all out
We'll just drop our agendas and adjourn.

You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas
Go directly. Do not pass GO. Do not collect two hundred dolla's

And we will all go together when we go
Ev'ry Hottentot and ev'ry Eskimo
When the air becomes uranious
We will all go simultaneous
Yes we all will go together when we all go together
Yes we all will go together when we go


Words and music by Tom Lehrer

Alan

(who still hasn't figured out how to set an internal blue clicky to Digitrad)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: freda underhill
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:17 PM

Whatever fears, philosophy, beliefs you might have, the unconscious ones have just as powerful impact on your life as the conscious ones. eg do you believe life is a struggle or that things will always work out for the best; are people basically good or basically lousy.. other larger philosphical positions tend to get influenced by those unconscious ones, that are learnt as a kid through the way people treat you.

but the test for any views held has to be..   does this enhance my life or limit it. do these views make me feel good or bad. and what sort of people do i meet who share these views - are they worth knowing? i am cautious of many people who purport to have "answers" - remember, if you don't like the answer, are you asking the wrong question?

there's absolutely no point worrying about things you can't control, this is not denial, its sensible. its a good thing to occasionally look at small parts of your life that you can control, and make them more enjoyable. (from cooking more interesting food, reading different things, changing the channel, joining a film club, hiking, going one night a month to a comedy club, who knows what).

these things don't answer the big questions, but they make the many small moments more fun.. and that, to me, is the answer..

best wishes

freda


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:38 PM

Well said, Freda.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:51 PM

Any slice of time you look at real closely can look just like those prophecies. Not to worry about which slice is THE slice, though. The good news is, the principles for living are not time-specific. The bad news? Ya still gotta figgger 'em out for yourself and then actually try to LIVE them.

So never mind the temptation to hysteria-- assume you had forever, available to you: What would you like to be doing, that you know would be a good thing to do, that you aren't doing? Do it! :~)

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 08:02 PM

I hear yoyu, LH -- he would probably just hang around in space muttering "I was right!! I was right!!" over and over for a few millenia.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 08:39 PM

This "Repent! The End is Near!" stuff is from nominal Christians who have spent more time reading The Book of Revelation than they have reading the Gospels, which, to me, calls their "Christianity" into question. The core of Christianity is to be found in Matthew 25:35-40, and Matthew 5:3-11, not in The Book of Revelation, which, historically, was less of a religious text and more of a polemic against the Roman Empire. There are many Bible scholars who maintain that it doesn't even belong in the Bible and wonder why the geezers back then chose to include it.

Will the world come to an end? Most certainly. Life, of course, could be obliterated on earth any number of ways:   some group of morons at the helm of some aggressive and/or paranoid nation could start an all-out thermonuclear war, precipitate a "nuclear winter," and wipe out all higher forms of life, but will probably leave a few life forms about to begin evolution again (unless, of course, radioactive saturation of the planet is sufficient to destroy all life); with our polluting of the oceans and the atmosphere, we could poison the planet's ecosphere and wipe out most or all life (what would be particularly lethal would be for humanity, through carelessness, stupidity, and greed, to push the planet beyond the point-of-no-return into a runaway greenhouse effect, in which the earth could become like Venus, where there are no oceans and the atmosphere is somewhat hotter that a well-stoked pizza oven); the planet could be struck by any one of a number of earth-orbit crossing asteroids big enough to blast away much of the atmosphere, cause tidal waves thousands of feet high, and earthquakes of a power beyond imagining. Or maybe some tenacious, virus, undetectable or unstoppable by medical science could sweep through both human and animal populations of the world, leaving only plant life. Or perhaps some equally unstoppable blight might evolve and destroy all plant life on earth( the basis of the food chain), in which case, animal life (including us) would starve to death. Or maybe—

But earth abides. If we humans cause a planetary catastrophe and obliterate ourselves, the earth, following the natural processes it has followed for billions of years, will cleanse itself, heal, and quite probably evolve many new species—possibly a species far wiser than we.

But even than, the world will come to an end—when the sun has used up all of its fuel and begins to implode into a white dwarf. In the first phase of this, the sun bloats temporarily into a red giant, with its outer atmosphere expanding as far out as the orbit of Mars or beyond. This, of course, will blow away the atmosphere, boil off the oceans, and incinerated all life on earth. Following this, the sun's outer atmosphere will dissipate into space, leaving a hot, dense, white star not much larger than the earth. It will continue to burn intensely for many billions more years, then gradually fade into a red dwarf (famous in British telly), a brown dwarf, then fade into a dark cinder that continues to drift through space. But not a black hole. The sun does not contain enough matter to implode that violently.

And when will all this begin to happen? Approximately five to seven billion years from now.

When this happens, it may be that we, should we manage somehow to transcend our own flaws and acquire wisdom, or that inherently wiser species I spoke of, will have survived long enough to have spread to many other planets, and are living in peace among themselves and the others they may encounter in the Universe.

There is the joke about the astronomy class, in which the professor outlined the eventual death of the sun, as I have above. A hand went up in the back row. "Yes?" asked the professor. "How long will it be before this happens?" asked a tremulous voice. "Well, astronomers estimate that it would be five to seven billion years." "Oh, thank God!" said the tremulous voice, "I thought you said five to seven million years!"

I wouldn't sweat it a lot.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 10:05 PM

Don't say no.
It's the end of the world.
It ended when you said goodbye.

..............Skeeter Davis   Nashville, Tn. C.1962


Don Firth, the world is at threat when you fart.
I'm concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 10:19 PM

well, Don Firth told my joke, so I will just say, yes, the world IS in trouble....but I doubt any "Supreme Being" has any interest in it all. It isn't going out suddenly with water, fire, earthquakes etc., but going 'downhill' slowly and sneakily with pollution, overpopulation, famine and human enhanced entropy.

"Ww have met the enemy, and he is us!"
                Pogo Possum


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 11:01 PM

So, uh, Don, what's the BAD news?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: InOBU
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 12:03 AM

Dear Guest:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the world ended a week and a half ago... but no one noticed. Cheers Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 09:11 AM

I've been partial to Frost's

Fire and Ice

Some say the world will end in fire,        
Some say in ice.        
From what I've tasted of desire        
I hold with those who favor fire.        
But if it had to perish twice,              
I think I know enough of hate        
To know that for destruction ice        
Is also great        
And would suffice.        

The great prophet William Miller predicted, correctly, that the world would end on 22 October 1844. It did, and the Millenium came and the Rapture came and all the rest happened. It's been over for nearly 160 years. However, humans are perverse and either didn't notice or chose to ignore it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 02:19 PM

My post was not written for your benefit, Marty. It's too long for your attention span, I used words of more than two syllables, and the concepts are far beyond your ability to grasp. A comparison between our two posts will, I think, give people a pretty good idea of how far each of us has advanced on the scale of evolution.

Sorry, Bill D. I first heard that joke in an astronomy class I took while at the U. of W. It was told by the professor.

And GUEST, the bad news is that we could be wiped out in a whole variety of wild and hairy ways. The good news is two-fold:   
1. Some of the ways we could be wiped out, we have control over if we choose to exert that control; and
2. We're still here.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 02:34 PM

I noticed, Larry! I really did. The trouble is, though, it no sooner had ended than everthing started up all over again!

Kind of like dogs and barking.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 02:51 PM

Besides , Marty, you misquoted the song, which goes, "Don't they know it's the end of the world...." in the context of "Why do the birds keep on singing...?", etc.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 04:55 PM

Don, we could get wiped out by your big, hairy behind.

If you wrote a post here, I reserve the right that it is for my benefit and the right to respond.
You take yourself and this crap way too seriously.

You are about as profound as ham sandwich.

Amos, BFD.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 05:38 PM

And you are as shallow as a birdbath.

". . . full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 05:57 PM

an old man walks the cities
a large sign in his hand

it says the world will end at midnight
12:30 in Newfoundland


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 06:01 PM

You are not so significant Don.

No one here is getting too excited about your end of the world crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: ddw
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 06:30 PM

Well, I'm fairly certain the end of the world is near. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw a post from Bobert that I agreed with.

cheers,

david


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 08:32 PM

You misunderstood him, ddw.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: ddw
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 11:38 PM

Nope. Nothing to misunderstand. The thread was about the worst president the U.S. ever had and he named Lincoln. Can't disagree with that, tho' JFK and LBJ gave him a good run for the title.

cheers,

david


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 11:57 AM

(Don...the wonderful thing about that joke is it's universal application to Large Parts of Humanity...I LOVE jokes that make a point about attitudes & thinking in general!~) I can't remember when I first heard it..30-35 years???)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Megan L
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 12:38 PM

Never leave home or go to sleep in anger you might never get the chance to say sorry. If you love someone tell them, do not expect them to "know it" tell them now tommorrow may be to late. Share lifes small pleasures with those you love, for if you spend your time looking for great joy you may leave them no happy memories. And live every day as though it will be your last, some day you will be right.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 04:21 PM

I'm not trying to get people exited, Marty, I was merely discounting the apocalyptic view of the end of the world and outlining a few real possibilities.

You seem to be one of these people who approaches anything you don't understand with an open mouth.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 05:19 PM

Marty....

GROW UP. It doesn't hurt. Honest.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Read the signs
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 06:58 AM

For those who are familiar with End Times prophecies, key institutions and prominent individuals have been observing the signs and pointing them out for some time.

The Catholic Church recently referred to this as "a time of wars and rumours of wars", a direct quote from the apocalyptic prophecies of the Christian scripture:

http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0064

To all those in this group who dismiss prophecy as childish nonsense, I would remind you that the US President, the most powerful man in the world, is a self-confessed believer, and openly looks forward to the end of the world when, he believes, Christ will descend to judge and rule forever.

As one commentator wrote at the turn of the millennium:

"You may not believe in gods or prophecy, but among the leaders of nations there are those who do." (T. Acheson, 1999)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 11:00 AM

I told you before: it ended in October, 1844.

Or maybe before that. Or after that. But William Miller said October, 1844, even though he'd been wrong earlier that year.

Frankly, I don't give tinker's damn WHAT other people believe about this. Even the friggin' Vatican.

But I suggest, since they are all supposed to be Bible-readin' folks, they re-read Matthew 24:36, Matthew 24:50, and Luke 12:46 -- among others.

And then stop worrying about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 01:32 PM

Amos, if I grow up as you call it, I will be as constipated and unenlightening as you are.

If you were to grow up, as I call it, you wouldn't be such an old-fashioned out of date hippie that's still having a hard time with the world as it is, instead of enjoying the one life you get.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 05:03 PM

I'm enjoying the hell out of life, Marty, as I am sure Amos is. Amos, if you care to check member profiles, has had a pretty darned adventurous life (and what have you done?). A major aspect of our enjoyment is folk music and all aspects of it, and that's what draws us to a web site like Mudcat, where we can exchange knowledge and experience. But being intelligent people with wide-ranging interests, we discuss other things as well. Some people spend a lot of time on Mudcat (such as people like Teribus, who seems to have little else to do), but others of us pop in for a few minutes maybe a couple two or three times a day to see if anything new has been posted on threads that interest us.

Granted, I spend most of my day at the computer, but off-line, flogging the word processor, because I am now a writer by trade (several published magazine articles and a book in the works). Not all that much of my time is spent in cyberspace, but I do spend some time there doing research for my writing. I also pull out one of my guitars at least once a day, practice for an hour or so and sing through a number of songs, both old and newly learned, partly to keep my hand in and mostly because I love it. I don't perform three or four nights a week as I did some years ago, but I do still perform with some regularity. Contrary to what you seem to think (encountering me only here on Mudcat and not having enough imagination to think that this might be only a small facet of my life), I have lots of contact with the world outside of cyberspace. I am married to a wonderful woman, we live in a large, comfortable apartment, we have many friends, we enjoy a full social life, and we entertain often.

But what puzzles me is how someone who gets his jollies (you've said so several times, Marty) by coming into a thread in which a serious exchange of information is occurring and, having nothing of consequence to add, attempts to disrupt the discussion by posting snide and snotty remarks, replete with insults consisting mostly of references to bodily functions (invariably centered around the crotch) of people he has never met can still reasonably insist that he is a happy man with a full life. If he is indeed happy and has a full life, why does he not have anything of consequence to add? Why does he want to disrupt the discussion? Why is he so full of bitterness, nastiness, and—yes, quite probably—hatred? And what sort of perverted outlook can convince him that he's having fun doing this? This is the same sort of fun a street-corner lout gets by pulling out the spray can and defacing the front of a building. Very mature.

No. This is a person who is narrow-minded, intellectually shallow, and fixated at the emotional level of a three-year-old (characteristically fascinated by bodily functions, especially excrement), and who, again, like a three-year-old, is ego-centered, has nothing to add to an adult conversation, but demands attention anyway.

You may be be fifty years old, Marty, but Amos has you pegged. Obviously you never grew up.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 06:14 PM

Martin,

I have to thank Don for rising to my defense, but I also have to give you some credit -- your creative insults would be just the right thing to draw blood if I was who you think I am. Unfortunately, I ain't. So they fall flat in the dust.

I have a life, working as an engineer and systems analyst; I have a place of my own in the world, friends and family, and am generally p[retty damn happy with my life. What I protest about in the world is usually things like man's inhumanity to man, and the stupidity of a nation that votes for storm troopers. Aside from that, and wishing I could have my 35-year old weight and muscle tone back, I'm doing fine, thanks!

Aside from that I think Don pretty well said it all.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 06:30 PM

'"You may not believe in gods or prophecy, but among the leaders of nations there are those who do." (T. Acheson, 1999)'

If all this is true, does it mean that whoever has the most toys when it ends wins?

Keriste, give me a break.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 07:45 PM

Well, who says I don't believe in Gods or prophecy, GUEST? I just may interpret that prophecy in a different way, though...as a metaphor for something that happens inside a human being rather than out there in the outer World. Or I might not. Depends on the prophecy. A lot of the prophecies in Revelation appear to me to be about the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, for instance. If so, they were fulfilled quite some time ago. Christ also prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem (by the Romans). The persecution of Christians by Imperial Rome was also prophesied. Any number of things have been prophesied here and there...many of them by holy men who are not part of either the Bible or the Christian religion. Same came true, and some did not...or not in the way that people expected.

I imagine that Hitler figured the World was ending in April 1945! For him and his regime, it most certainly did.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

The world has no end. It's a sphere. I though Columbus settled that years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 08:34 PM

And the Greeks, Egyptians, Indians, and Chinese settled it a long time before Columbus! (Not to mention the Lemurians and the Atlanteans...) These things tend to get forgotten in less civilized areas as time goes by.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:33 PM

Actually, Ferdinand Magellan was the first one we know of to circumnavigate the globe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:38 PM

dear "Read the Signs"...I did-- they all contradict each other. Prophets have been predicting the 'end' for centuries, and will continue to do so...and they will all be wrong until the last one..and he will be wrong about the details.

"I would remind you that the US President, the most powerful man in the world, is a self-confessed believer, and openly looks forward to the end of the world when, he believes, Christ will descend to judge and rule forever."    ......and if he believed in elves at the bottom of the garden?
ANY man who mixes his religious beliefs with his politics like that should not have such a job.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,freda
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:29 AM

as the old Hindu saying goes, "even if the lotus born Brahma says something illogical, it should be rejected like a straw".


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 09:37 AM

Look, it won't happen until I decide that it will. Since I created it all, including all of you (whether you realize it or not), I and I alone will decide when it's over. And it's not over yet, because I'm having too much fun.

And if you doubt me on this, shame shame on you. Nyah, nyah, nyah. You'll know soon enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 10:39 AM

From Don Firth: "Some people spend a lot of time on Mudcat (such as people like Teribus, who seems to have little else to do), but others of us pop in for a few minutes maybe a couple two or three times a day to see if anything new has been posted on threads that interest us."

Clicking on Don Firth you get oldest post Sept 1999 and a total of 3383 posts, or 59 per month.

Clicking on Teribus you get oldest post Feb 2002 and a total of 1477 posts, or 49 per month.

Looks more like you're the one that's got little else to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 10:44 AM

GUEST,

Facts are not allowed to be used against anyone with the proper political viewpoint.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:56 AM

And you will find earnest, dedicated people on both the Right and the Left faithfully practicing that precept which Bearded Bruce mentioned! (while disagreeing totally with one another) :-)

Accordingly, what is the "proper political viewpoint" all depends on whom you are talking to...

The same phenomenon can be seen happening with Israelis and Palestinians or Protestant and Catholic Irish.

Never pay ANY attention to a fact that does not support your accustomed position! Such facts do not deserve your attention, and are probably the work of the Devil!!!! (he can alter reality to mislead people, right?)

Heh! Heh!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:00 PM

Poor Rapaire..Read a lot of your posts but never suspected the "delusions of grandeur"..... but take heart it can be treated friend.
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:04 PM

Bye bye.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:13 PM

Thanks, Guest for the stats on don firth. It is obvious by your thankful contribution, you've proved a real point.

Don and amos, I don't try to justify my existance to you. why do you feel so necessary to justify yours to me?

Mudcat is to me something different than it is to you. I like the music part of it and like to contribute. The BS section represents to me some of the most egotistical and pompous personalities I have seen. It has nothing to do what you do for a living or having a wonderful wife. I am not full of hatred, bitterness, or nastiness as you say, however I am somewhat fun loving and mystified that this vehicle means so much to you to feel important.

Just look at those 3300+ posts Don.

Don, you're boring.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:16 PM

There is no justification for your existence, Martin!

But at least you ain't boring...


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:30 PM

Chongo, Martin Gibson only exists here. Only that there is a Mudcat is reason for him to exist.

Otherwise, life is pretty normal away from here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 12:37 PM

the work of the Devil!!!! (he can alter reality to mislead people, right?)

well - according to strict canon - no.

However he can alter the perception of reality - which for all intents and purposes is the same thing - however should the devil "change" say - molten lead to wine and you drink it - you still end up with a scorched and seared esophagus and a bellyful of lead - you just wouldn't notice it at first.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:21 PM

It looks to me like GUEST and Marty don't have enough to do if they spend their time counting up who posted how many times. I wasn't referring to the number of times Teribus has posted, but to the length of his posts. And as far as the number of times I've posted, note that that works out to about two posts a day. Not that much less than Teribus, but thoroughly understandable if you note that, granted I do write up some fairly long posts sometimes, many of my posts are one-liners   Terubus' posts tend to run on to 1,000 or more words, full of statistics and stuff that he's had to research (at least, he claims he has), so the actual time that goes into one of his posts is probably a lot more than mine. Since you have so much time on your hands and you seemed to be so interested in statistics, you might try downloading all of my posts and all of Teribus' posts, doing a total word count on both of us and then compare. That would give you a better indication of who spends more time doing what. Also, some of the things I post are cut-and-paste from the book I'm writing. Takes only a moment. And some of the things I write here qualify as first drafts for the book or for magazine articles. So many of my posts do double-duty. I make no apologies.

And Marty, of course you find me boring. You have to dismiss me. If you agreed with my assessment of you as a total person, your bitterness, nastiness, and your level of intellectual and emotional maturity, it would be a major blow to your sick little ego and you'd probably wind up in a corner curled up in the fetal position sucking your thumb.

Have a nice day.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:33 PM

Don, don't tell me what kind of day to have.

I didn't count your posts. Guest did. but you count others words and criticize.

You are obsessed with your own importance.

I find your posts boring because they have nothing to say. I don't agree at all of your assessment of me because it is wrong. Your level of intellectual and emotional maturity is just what is so boring about you.

You say nothing but blah, blah, blah and expect people to nod their head and agree with you.

It's just blah, blah, blah. Bottle it and sell it to insomniacs. No swearing, Don. No name calling as you do. Just my truthful and honest assessment of Don Firth's biggest fan. Himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 04:50 PM

Rave on, little man, rave on.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 04:53 PM

Rave On was a great song by Buddy Holly.

There I taught you something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Read the signs
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:23 PM

At first I thought this was a serious discussion. I apologise for any misunderstanding.

It's easy to jump on the cynical bandwagon when prophecy is mentioned and refuse to take it seriously. Most people do, but they rarely have anything original or insightful to contribute to the debate. Congratulations to everybody who made cheap jokes and sarcastic remarks, I was impressed by your wit. No, really.

For those of you on this forum who have an open-mind, you may wish to seek the facts and consider them for yourself before passing judgement.

If you're looking for answers, you could do worse than start here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:38 PM

GUEST,Read the signs

Just because some people don't agree does not make them closed-minded and your own sarcasm does not trump that of others.

You're also asking us to believe in these prophecies based upon the fact that George W. Bush believes. This is the same man who believed the people who told him there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Have you anything a bit more concrete to offer?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 07:40 PM

Something seems to be emerging on this thread as it has on many others. I would call it unhealthy competition but perhaps I am misled.
Is it important who puts the longest write ups on a thread or replies to most threads? Personally I like to reply to the ones I feel I have something important to say on but also allow myself the joy of putting replies or starting threads of a light hearted nature. Once again some nastiness appears....It costs so little to be courteous to and tolerant of people even if you fail to accept their opinions. Of course I once again expect to have to survive another attack for voicing this opinion and will no doubt be told I am "holier than thou" in manner by some of those who feel "shot at" but there you go.
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM

Read the signs...it's hard to tell whether a post is serious when it is anonymous, ("worried") and "worried" does not come back to continue the discussion. ...unless that was YOU...kinda hard to tell.

That sort of post is bound to get negative comments, but this crowd will debate it seriously, even if we disagree. It didn't really 'feel' like a question, but only a request for assurance and agreement.

Your post was barely more than that, and included the silliness suggesting that if GW Bush agrees, it sure oughta be true! What DO you expect when you lead with your chin?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:43 PM

Aw jeeze. Ya know, I would like you-all to meet my friend Harvey, too. He's seven feet tall, a white rabbit. Nicest white rabbit in this part of the world.

He doesn't bite. Hey!! Come back and shake hands, fellas. Fellas??? FELLLLAS?

Aw jeeze, Harvey!! NOW what are we gonna do???


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:56 PM

I have met Harvey, and I was...well...unimpressed. Frankly, Amos, I think Chongo Chimp is much more entertaining, and I am surprised that you are still hanging out with that silly rabbit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 12:08 AM

Thanks LH. At least he doesn't rub against my coat pocket all the time. He comes from a more civilized era, when delusions were an honorable profession.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 09:51 AM

Silly Rabbit.

Trix are for kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 10:52 AM

I wasn't referring to the number of times Teribus has posted, but to the length of his posts. (Don Firth)

That comes close to argumentaum ad ignorantiam which you have so beautifully explained in a recent post. It could be done in principle but it would be very time consuming.

I did it the easy way, Don, with two small samples.

In this thread, you have posted an average of 255 words per post in seven posts. I took Teribus last seven posts in the old Mudcat search for comparison (eliminating one empty post) and found an average of 121 words per post.

I know that Teribus writes very long posts sometimes but so do others including you and me.

My cursory impression, Don, is that you have claimed something as a fact which was based on faulty personal impression and nothing else. When you have been corrected on the number of posts you quickly did switch to length of posts. My first quick check did not come out in favour of your claim.

Could it simply be that you are wrong? We all know that diatribes from people we do not agree with seem to be much longer (and unnessessarily so) than those of people we agree with. And the posts we ourselves write are concise and mostly too short to tell all the good arguments we know. You may have been a victim of this bias.

I have often done some counts when people have claimed something on the posting history, for here personal impression can be checked against reality (and as many know, I always look for dsicrepancies between personal impression and reality). One more example: Ake recently has claimed that right-wing posters use more often than left-wing posters words belittling opponents. If one actually counts one finds that that is simply not true. Ake here is partially blind, for he spots the offenders on the other side of the political continuum and overlooks them on his side.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 10:55 AM

hear, hear, Wolfgang!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 12:42 PM

wolfgang, you are right.

Don was wrong.

(7 words total)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 01:44 PM

Excluding the parenthetical observation. ;o)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:24 PM

So I was wrong about the word count. Now, just what does all this prove?

It's amazing how much free time some folks have.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:32 PM

This was not free time. That was time well spent.

(10 words, about 10 seconds)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM

Martin:

Go piss up a rope. (5 wds).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 03:34 PM

Only if you are standing below it for the descent of that piss.

Do you need an explanation about gravity?

6 words Amos, including my name. Do you need help in this department?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 03:43 PM

This thread started out as a fairly interesting topic for discussion, but it has been taken over by twits, philistines, trolls nit-pickers and nincompoops. I'm outta here. I've got better things to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 03:50 PM

Nincompoops? Don, this is the 21st century.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Hey I heard Chicken Little was interested in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:42 PM

But did you know that in England Chicken Little is known as Chicken Licken?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:51 PM

I suppose the "Love thy neighbour" thing is not possible where some are concewrned, as all they seem to do is go from thread to thread causing mayhem and trying to upset or wind up others who at least have valid opinions. You know who you are...why do you do it?? what is so wrong with your balance of credibility that you have to attack others just because their opinion differs from yours.
Learn to Bless others and "Be Blessed" I say....


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 06:01 PM

When you sneeze, I will say bless you.

OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 07:24 PM

Crap.

(One word.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:49 AM

Don,

I would have thought (and still tend to think) that you belong to the people who can acknowledge a correction with style and without insults.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: el ted
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:51 AM

100. I thank you, my work here is done.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:15 PM

To you, Wolfgang, because I respect your opinions, I intended no insult.

I made an estimate, judging from the length of Teribus' posts and the deluge of statistics that he includes, that he posts more wordage than I do in the same period of time. I did not actually count. If I am wrong, very well, then I am wrong and I am sorry. I do wonder, however, why this matter seems to be so important, unless the purpose is simply to discredit me.

I grow extremely weary of the silly, stupid remarks that some people seem to feel impelled to post in a thread that has the possibility for a serious exchange of viewpoints and information. Partly, I am at fault for even responding to these trolls. I shall attempt to refrain in the future, and if a thread becomes too silly, I shall simply withdraw from it and go elsewhere.

Once again, Wolfgang, although I wonder why you felt it necessary to spend your time counting my wordage, I meant no insult to you.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:23 PM

So, Don

Have you considered taking a full page ad out in the newspaper on this?

You should consider the Yahoo forums. They are very serious there.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:01 PM

Don,

I had somehow the impression you did not mean me and I'm really glad for that.

The tactic to point to a minor error (and/or bad spelling) to try to discredit a position is often used in Mudcat too. I personally find it best in such a case to post 'thanks for the correction' and go on with the main focus of the discussion. Every other reaction in my eyes only helps the others do what they consider their job.

Speaking about job, part of my research is about human errors of all types. Whenever I find a possibility to objectively check the accuracy of an impression or a memory I do it. Everywhere else, but also in Mudcat, when the opportunity comes. So when my wordprocessor was counting the words I was actually working. One of the rare situations when I can consider Mudcatting being part of my work.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:26 PM

In that case, Wolfgang, I thank you. Keep up the good work, and keep us honest.

And as for you, Marty, I was talking to Wolfgang. Go sit in the corner!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:22 PM

I would rather sit on your face.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM

Ooooh just the thought of that is giving me palpitations....poor Don...just don't think about what he said ...don't want you suicidal friend. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:38 PM

Not to worry, Georgiansilver.

That's not a very good idea, Marty. I have very sharp teeth!

[Fin cutting through the water, staccato cello playing in background.]

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:28 AM

Don and Martin,
Big boys and girls do name call in the street, or on Mudcat.
Please use the PM facility and give us all a break.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:03 AM

Whack! Bitchslapped again! Oooooo...the nastiness! Y'know, it takes two people to make a fight, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 12:56 PM

Yes the end of the world is nigh


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 02:41 PM

No, the end of the world is night.

No one ever says the word "nigh" in everyday language.

I'm not impressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:48 PM

Well, they used to though. They used to say things like "Thy doom is nigh, varlet! Hither hasteneth thy miserable demise! Repent while yet thou hast time to."

I miss those days. Now it's all I'm like,
whaddya mean?" So he's like, all "This is so OLD!" and I'm like, "Gimme a break!" and he's like, "Well, you can go if you want to...I'm not, like stoppin' you!" and I'm like, "Whatever!"

Gah! I think perhaps the end IS nigh...culturally speaking.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 04:41 PM

Obviously convincing you that the word nigh is in common use Martin is NIGH on impossible. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 04:54 PM

No one says it in America, georgiansilver. It's old English, like "arse" "aye" "yea"

The King's English is unacceptable here.

You should learn to speak American. Do me a favor with all of this Be Blessed stuff. Is this to constantly show us how religious and pious you are?   ditch it. what are you, Friar Tuck or something? It's like how some old fashioned English priest would talk in a castle in the 1500's after he had some fun with some choir boys.

Sheesh!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:05 PM

Be Blessed Martin...who knows it may be the only blessing you get onhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:11 PM

My rabbi blesses me all of the time.

he's qualified. What makes you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM

How do you know for sure that he's qualified, Martin?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:32 PM

Martin, I believe I am fully qualified to Bless anyone... that in itself does not make me holier than thou or something special..just someone who enjoys asking Blessings on anyone...from the really nice people to the downright pompous, nasty, unkind, stirring, etc etc. I'm sure you fit in there somewhere. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:03 PM

Little Hawk, I know that he is qualified because I see him all of the time, know his wife and family, know that he is a true spiritual leader of our community and is a good person.

all I know about georgiansilver is that he hangs around this web site and fancies himself as some kind of spiritual leader here. I picture him to look like friar Tuck in a monk's robe tied by a rope and a monk hair style with a bald spot in the middle.

My rabbi's blessings seem to come natually while this guy seems to be trying to play some role. Also, I know my Rabbi asks for blessings from the one true God, the God of Moses and the people of Israel. I have no idea who G-silver is asking to bless me. Be Blessed? by whom or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:21 PM

Martin could you please explain to me in what way I seem to be "fancying myself as a spiritual leader" and the "some kind of role" that I am playing is what??. I give opinions on things in which I am interested and always sign off with "be blessed" because that is part of my way of life. What is your problem with that?
Is your way is to try to upset as many people as you can on here? I will not be upset or intimidated by your words. There are many people on Mudcat whose opinions I value...even if I do not always agree with them. Unfortunately, your opinions seem to revolve around what you think of other people...which always seems to be negative..not their opinions on threads. It would appear that many of your comments on other people are unjustly made in any case. Such a pity you don't channel your thoughts into sensible conversation which I am sure you are capable of.
I don't intend to reply to any of your "taunts" but will reply to opinions you give on relevant topics.
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:25 PM

Okay, Martin, fair enough about your rabbi. So what bugs you about Georgiansilver is...you DON'T know him...and you're not sure where he's really coming from. Well, so what? Why worry about it? If God is in everyone (and by definition, He must be), then to bless everyone would seem to be a reasonable spiritual practice to follow. I don't think it necessarily indicates any kind of smug superiority on GS's part, but rather a belief in equality.

We agree there is one God. So obviously it is by that one God that GS is suggesting people be blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:26 PM

God Bless you Little Hawk. Thank you for your support.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:58 PM

There's no god.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:28 PM

You are right, Little Hawk. I don't know G-silver. But how am I to know what God he is into. He may be into devil blessing for all I know. I find it very weird that this guy has to bless everyone he addresses whether he knows them or not. No body cares. It's just weird and obsessive on his part. My rabbi is a spiritual man, but he doesn't go around blessing everyone he has a conversation with.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:32 PM

Well, I think Christ and Gandhi blessed everyone. That's good enough for me. :-) Be blessed. (Gotcha!) Meanwhile, we've got a Guest who says there's "no God". I wonder where we could find proof of that?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:16 AM

The Guest is a half-full douche bag.

Or half-empty.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: mg
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:26 AM

People say nigh all the time..like we've been married nigh on 50 years...nigh on 10 miles...it is quite common in America. And many variants of English, including the King's or Queen's own, are spoken here. The reason we do not sound more English is because we were a Dutch place for quite a while and speak English (some of us) with Dutch accents, or so I have been told. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:40 AM

Nah, I really don't believe that. Nobody says nigh in this country. Nobody, Italian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, black, German, Chinese, Japanese anyone who lives in a big city or can't relate to any King or Queen.

There might be a few Dutch in Iowa though who use it. Or a few decendants of the Puritans or Quakers. Maybe a couple of Amish.

Nah.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:23 AM

Why does 'prayer' scare people
This old thread (and the part II thread with the same theme) may give Georgiansilver some ideas about the diversity of the people here.

The reaction of the Mudcatters to the use of religious formulations in daily exchanges is mixed.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:40 AM

There's hardly any decade in the last millenium for which there has not been a prediction of the end of the world. In the last hundred years, there has been an average of about one prediction per year. Last year, I know of two predictions of the end of the world (last time I looked one was still in the web in 2004!), this year I only know of one (for some date in October; if someone is worried when exactly to bid goodbye to the friends and relations, PM me for the exact date).

The next "this time for sure" prediction is for 2012 when for some believers the Maya calendar runs out of numbers and therefore...

One thing seems to be sure to me: when the world comes to its end there'll be someone who has predicted the end for exactly that year.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Sweetfia
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:52 AM

Sure it is!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:30 PM

The Gospel according to Merriam-Webster (please rise):—
nigh (nî) adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German, adverb, nigh, preposition, nigh, after, Old Norse nigh.
Date, before 12th century

Definition
1 : near in place, time, or relationship — often used with on, onto, or unto
2 : NEARLY, ALMOST
(You may be seated.)

It is also listed in Merriam-Webster (lastest electronic version, by the way) as an adjective, a preposition, and a verb; and in compound form as well-nigh.

Although it may be considered an archaic term (from the 12 century or earlier), it is still very much in common usage in English speaking countries (but perhaps not in Chicago — or perhaps not to those who have a limited vocabulary)

Your welcome,

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM

Correction:   erroneous diacritical mark in the pronunciation of "nigh" in the above post. In the cut-and-past from MS Word to Mudcat, it did not translate properly; it switched from a dash to a caret. The correct pronunciation is with a long "i"; rhymes with "my". But I'm sure most of use know that.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:00 PM

Correction again.

I have my nigh head up Merriam Webster's ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:29 PM

Obviously the post "GUEST,Don Firth" is not me. Care to take a couple of guesses as to who it really is? I have a pretty good idea myself.

Don Firth (the real one)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:41 PM

Yes Don...The guy pretending to be you is obviously living to a particular type of character....perhaps we should try to forgive him as he knows not what he does. Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 10:28 PM

He is probably someone who takes a kind of perverse delight in consuming ever larger amounts of your time, energy, and emotional attention, Don. :-) Now, who might that be? (it isn't me)

A conversation is like a dance. It takes two to tango.

I like the word "nigh". It's a lovely word. I hope it soon regains popularity in Chicago. The word "like" on the other hand is getting over-used these days, and should be accompanied by a 25 cent surcharge for each unnecessary utterance. If this were done the national debt could be paid off in a week, due solely to the efforts of teenage girls!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:25 PM

Like, uh, wasn't me. But I couldn't have said it better. Maybe you have some other fans, Don. A lot here hide behind Guest postings. I don't. It's more fun to be bluntly honest with you.

As for Chicago, 8 million people can't be wrong. After all, we have Da Bears, da Bulls and our beloved Mayor Daley.

It is really a stupid, OUTFATED old English word, though and very, very WASPish. People don't use it in normal conversation, especially people who don't walk around quoting dictionaries, or Bible spouting wannabes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:26 PM

OUTFATED and OUTDATED!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:23 AM

Bless you Martin,it is such light relief reading your postings. The character you play is quite admirable really in a perverse sort of way but don't let him get a hold on the real you. Ber Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:27 AM

8 million people can be wrong! Hell, 100 million people can be wrong. I've seen it happen before. But can 3800 Chimps be wrong? That's the real question. I asked Chongo about it, and he says that no real Chimp he ever knew ever uses the word "nigh" in normal conversation. It appears that Chongo and Martin are in agreement on this one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: mg
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM

Yes, people use it in what is to them normal conversation. They might be more rural and Southern American, I don't know. I think it is more commonly used in the south, but we have had huge internal migrations, such as where I am from, especially following the dust bowl and in WWII to work in shipyards etc. Vancouver WA has a huge Appalachian population, and whole towns in Washington have a very large southern population. Lots of people use this expression. There is no one American accent or vocabulary (except we have been told that the PNW one is sort of news broadcaster standard). There is no reason any of us should be surprised that old, outdated English words should remain in usage in America. There are pockets in North America where English words and phrases are maintained that were lost in the Auld Country. Rural hamlets and poor roads and all. It's something we just have to deal with I guess.... mg


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 04:18 PM

Right as usual, Little Hawk. Although rather than a tango, this has been, perhaps, more like (nigh unto) a fencing lesson. I used to fence years ago and, as evidenced by a case full of trophies and medals, I grew to be a swordsman of considerable skill and force.

Actually, my crossing blades with Marty has exacted minimal time, little energy, and the only emotional attention involved started with mild irritation when Marty first began responding to some of my serious posts some months back, not with contributions to a rational discussion, but toilet-oriented insults. The irritation quickly changed to a bit of fun:   a battle of wits in which I (cruelly, I admit) engaged an opponent who is poorly armed and ill-trained for such combat. This verbal fencing match involved my swift, humorous ripostes to his crude, clumsy, and easily parried thrusts.

This is essentially the method of handling hecklers that Bob Gibson (no relation to Martin Gibson, even though they are both associated with Chicago) explained to me back in 1958 when he spent a couple of weeks in Seattle. "Don't lose your cool," Gibson told me. "Turn it into an opportunity for comedy. Draw the heckler out and let him make a fool of himself." Since Marty started out by heckling me, this is the technique I adopted.

This has gradually morphed into boredom. Since Marty also heckled other people, some of whom also began responding with humorous barbs, I noticed that since Marty seems to have a compulsion to answer each one of us, it was possible for just a few of us working in relays to keep him spinning like a top. However, it has become tedious and repetitive, so I am leaving the field to others. Naturally, Marty will continue to heckle me wherever I go, but henceforth, rather than attempting to explain to him the error of his ways along thrusts of my rapier-like wit, all he will get from me now will be selections from my vast store of hilarious one-liners.

Due to my commitment to more interesting and important things, this will be my last lengthy post to or about Fartin' Gibbon. Any further responses from me to his feeble lunges with his dull sword will be to a) simply ignore him, or b) skewer him (once again) with a single swift and devastating riposte.

The mark of a great soul is to love all mankind, even the least lovable. Or, at least, to try. As Georgiansilver would say, be blessed.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 11:40 AM

Boring, Don.

Very self serving, as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:05 PM

Martin:

According to the auto-ad at the bottom of this page, the good news is that Christ is coming back.

Are you really ready for this?

Look around you, all you see
Is sympathetic eyes.
Walk around the grounds until you feel at home...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM

Boring, Marty? But you couldn't help but read the whole thing, could you!?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 06:18 PM

Barely skimmed it, Don. Really. Kept seeing blah, blah, blah, blah.

Except for about the hundreth time you said that you wouldn't react to what I write.

Otherwise, a big yawn.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:20 PM

Oh, I will react from time to time as I said. But I will no longer waste generous quantities of my deathless prose on you. That's rather like asking Shakespeare to write a procedures manual for cleaning toilets. A monumental waste of talent.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:33 PM

One taketh a shit; however, one must giveth a shit in order that one might then taketh . . . . Ah, fergit it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:50 PM

Stalked again, Don.

Your prose sucks. And your pompous snobdom shows me so much about you. For some, even smart and talented people, cleaning toilets is all of the work they can get. For them, it is an honestly earned wage. You owe hard working people like that an apology, but don't bother, I don't expect it from one of Mudcat's self appointed hero's in their own mind.

Hi Brucie, where have you been lately?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:03 PM

Whack! Smack! The beat goes on between Marty and Don. Okay, just who is getting a bigger laugh out of who here? That's the real question.

Amos, I have it on good authority that the Christ has already come back any number of times. Some people at the WSSBA think that he is presently incarnated as William Shatner. I wouldn't go that far, but I can understand people being that impressed by His Kirkness of course...because he is so...charismatic. Still, I think Shatner's mission differs from that of Jesus or Buddha or other such avatars in certain key areas which are fairly obvious...and that is why I am going to spare you by not listing all of them at this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:13 PM

Little Hawk. Guaranteed I am!! He's mixing it up with Martin Gibson, the ficticious King of the Vintage Guitar!

It's a total riot!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:32 PM

Chongo says he wants to get together with you and smoke a couple of cigars. Fine with me, as long as you're both downwind.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:10 AM

I kind of gave up all smoking, but I wouldn't mind visiting him at the monkey cage at Lincoln Park zoo.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 01:44 PM

Better make sure they'll let you back out of the cage, Marty.

By the way, what kind of guitars did you say you own? Taylor? Collings? Epiphone?

Or was it, as Stanley Kowalski would say, "STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"

[Rim Shot!]

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 02:05 PM

All contributots to this thread would do well to read Nicholas Kristof's essay in Saturday's New York Times called "Jihad and Jesus."

It is reprinted here:

thomasmc.com/0717/nk.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 02:48 PM

A Stella was the first guitar I rented for my first 6 guitar lessons over 42 years ago. They are the worst sounding pieces of crap ever. Student/low end guitars I would say are far superior today. At least the necks are not Louisville Sluggers and the pick-guards are painted on.

I play and own old Martins, Gibsons, and one fabulously set up vintage Harmony Sovereign. I personally think Taylor guitars have as much personality as a protozoa, Epiphones (modern) are just Gibson designs with inferior materials and workmanship, and Collings are half way decent but I wouldn't necessarily buy one as it has no vintage vibe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 02:48 PM

contributots ... very young contributors? ;o)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:24 PM

Marty, a genuine informative answer to my wisecrack post. Very good. It is possible. So in attempt at an actual exchange of information, which, if allowed to develop, could be interesting and informative for both of us. . . .

My start on the guitar was similar, but I think I got lucky. My first guitar was a "Regal." $9.95, plus $5.00 for a fiberboard case, a copy of Nick Manoloff's How to Play the Guitar, a genuine Nick Manoloff "Chord Wheel" (excellent device: it taught me the Circle of Fifths and which chords go with which keys right off), and a free plastic pick (which I never used). It sounded like it was made from old apple crates (probably was), but the fingerboard was fairly accurate and the action was nice and soft (somebody goofed at the factory and turned out one that was actually playable). I got my first really good guitar about a year later: a Martin 00-18. I've owned several Martins and they were all excellent, but fairly early on I switched over to nylon-string classics. In that category, European luthiers make the best instruments. I'm primarily a ballad-singer and I play some classic guitar, so that's the direction I took. Currently, my two prized guitars are a José Oribé concert classic that I've had for about thirty years and an Arcangel Fernandez flamenco guitar that I got in 1961 and has just kept improving over the years. It's been appraised at $18,000, but no sale! The only way anyone would ever get that guitar away from me would be to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

I think you mentioned once that you were mostly interested in country or bluegrass. Good choice of guitars for that. Did I get it right? Tell me more.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:53 PM

No, don. forget it. go take a dump. That's all you get today. come back next week.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:51 PM

Okay, folks. There it is. I tried.

Poor Marty. In the words of Bob Dylan (sort of):
How many roads must a man walk down
Before he admits he's lost?
Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:57 PM

It's true love, I can tell!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:15 PM

As to the End of the World, here is a link to the Jesus and Jihad article mentioned above.

It is absolutely depressing to me to think that the best selling writing in the US today is about such affairs of the perfervid and twisted turn of mind engendered by mad zealotry.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:39 PM

Imagine what we could achieve if those people poured the same energy into doing something good.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 04:36 PM

This whole "Rapture" business is, to quote our old friend DougR, "horse puckey!!" It comes from a complete misinterpretation and misrepresentation of verses taken out of context from the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation, plus distortions of presumed quotations of Jesus (again, badly misinterpreted) cherry-picked and taken out of context from here and there all over the Gospels. But then, this is the stock-in-trade of many fundamentalist "Christians," who, incidentally, get their sobriquet "fundamentalist" from the contention that the Bible must not be interpreted, it must be taken literally, word for word. They make their own patchwork quilt version of "Christianity," and it bears no resemblance to what a simple, straightforward reading of the Bible (reading it like straight through, like a novel, not pecking here and there like a nervous chicken) shows Christianity to be. Bizarro!!!

Several months (perhaps as long as a year) ago, Rev. Barbara R. Rossing spoke to an adult forum at a church that I frequently attend. Rev. Rossing is a theologian who teaches at the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago, and is the author of several books. One of these is entitled The Rapture Exposed. She wanted to title it The Rapture Racket, but that made her publisher nervous. Anyway, here is a link to the book [Blicky]. Scroll down for an editorial review followed by reader reviews. Rev. Rossing is a very intelligent and articulate person, and she finds that Jesus' message of unconditional love doesn't exactly square with the image of his waving a hand and causing people to split open and dump their guts on the ground.

As you can see, the book didn't go over too well with some folks, which, of course, was to be expected. Electric preachers like Jack Van Impe, et al who trade in raving about the "Rapture" and gloating about how people they don't like will get their come-uppance when Jesus returns waving his flaming sword, had a shit-hemorrhage over the book and devoted much TV and internet time to condemning Barbara Rossing to The Pit.

What's really distressing is how many people buy and read this "Left Behind" series of books and believe that "Rapture" crapola. And what's worse, their idea of what being a Christian is all about.

The Dark Ages are still about, it would seem.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 05:55 PM

Don, do you wear a hernia belt for your "rupture?"

I just don't worry what being a Christian is all about.

Wasn't Rupture a song by Blondie?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 06:06 PM

Marty, grow the fuck up!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:25 PM

Sorry about that. What I really meant to say was "Be a good chap, there, Marty, and give some serious consideration to the possibilities of trying to be a bit more mature in the future; there's a good fellow."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 06:06 PM

No, Don.

You cracked and snapped. What you really meant to say is what you initially said. Besides why should I give any serious consideration to anything here?

Once it's posted, you can't pull it back.

Consider going goony, Don, because you are not the intellectual you claim to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 09:01 PM

You glory in small victories, Marty, even if they are imaginary.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 10:10 PM

Yawn.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 04:57 AM

DON....even if, as Martin says, you are not the intellectual you think you are(which out of interest I do not agree with) I believe you would make an excellent handyman as you seem to have the knack of "hitting the nail on the head"!
Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 05:01 AM

"Where he is concerned" I should add as I don't obviously agree with all you say!! Be Blessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 02:02 PM

Marty, you just didn't get it. Since one of our fearless leaders, the beloved Dick Cheney, made use of the f-word on the Senate floor, I thought I would try it on for size in what I deemed to be an appropriate context. But being the cultured and refined person that I am, I found that it didn't fit me at all. You, obviously! Cheney, apparently. Me—no. So I merely rephrased my statement in a manner that reflects the gentleman that I truly am.

I'm sorry if you had difficulty with the word "consideration." I forgot that it has five syllables, and that, for your benefit, I need to limit my vocabulary to words of two syllables or fewer.

Now, as far as the impression you have that I "cracked and snapped," that was only my aging back (I thought I'd be generous and throw you that little sop, since you take such delight in your misconception that I'm some sort of crumbling antique). If my experimental venture into ancient Anglo-Saxon verbiage constitutes "cracking and snapping," your history of posted comments indicate that you are a veritable spider-web pattern of massive seismic fissures.

Good Lord! Even California doesn't have such faults!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 03:30 PM

Kee-Rist! Now if we could just get jOhn from Hull in on this thread too... :-)

Take a look at my thread on Mudcat feuds, guys! I am beginning to think the Don Firth/Martin Gibson feud is shaping up to be one of the greatest of them all...but to make it work you have to both be doing it for laughs. Keep that in mind, please!

Regarding guitars, I agree that Stella guitars were wretched, but I think that Kent guitars may have been even worse. My first guitar (I don't remember the brand name) was the worst guitar I have ever seen or attempted to play. And I mean...EVER. It was, in fact, basically unplayable.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 06:51 PM

Actually, Little Hawk, I have recently spent a bit of time channeling the soul of a raccoon named Cyril (he wasn't always a raccoon; that's just his latest reincarnation), who used to live in an overgrow vacant lot in Chicago, and he knows Marty quite well. Cyril told my quite a story. As soon as I get my notes in order, the story will be

Coming Soon to a Thread Near You!

Watch for it!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 07:30 PM

That sounds good, Don! I'll watch for it. I wonder if Cyril also had an incarnation as that skunk, Sammy, that Clinton Hammond had fouly murdered by proxy last year?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:20 PM

Well, could be. He worked his way up the chain of evolution and finally got promoted to human, first as a Spartan soldier. He comported himself honorably, and after several more incarnations, he was (he claims) the Venerable Bede. There were several more incarnations in which he was fairly obscure (no one of historical significance, except in small ways), then, he says he shot into prominence once again as Voltaire. As the result of something that happened in a later incarnation (which he didn't want to talk about) he picked up a load of bad karma and got demoted to the rank of field mouse. He got nailed young by a barn owl, and since that worked off a lot of the karma, he next manifested himself as Cyril the raccoon. He has since moved on and been promoted a couple more times, but he didn't say to what. If he was Sammy the Skunk, that end should have worked off a lot of the bad karma and he may even be back to human by now. Since it was his soul I was channeling, I don't really know the nature of his present status. Anything is possible, I guess.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:06 PM

I don't know this Cyril that Don mentions but word is that he hangs around the gay bars in the New Town area as he is quite light on his feet. He has been writing about his past experiences with Don and writing Don's name on various toilet stall walls extolling his good times with him. Cyril has to apply ointment quite frequently for all of the chafing he got from Don.

Now as for Seymore the Rrat, you don't want to hear he has to say. He is one bad ass dude you don't want to run into in an alley.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:24 PM

Well, Marty, Cyril never was gay, not in any of his incarnations, and besides that, we never met in the corporeal sense. I can understand why you would try to discredit Cyril or claim you never new him, because he sure knows you!

Be patient. All will be made clear.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 05:03 AM

The question is, does Cyril know Corridus, or doesn't he associate with hamsters? Whatever happened to Corridus, anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:28 PM

It just occurred to me, Marty, that you really are an ungrateful slob, trying to bad-mouth Cyril after all he did for you when you were just getting started in life. Both Cyril and I mate exclusively with females and neither of us mate outside our own species, unlike you who scatter your seed outside your own genus! There is ample reason for chickens in rural areas around Chicago to act nervous. Fortunately your matings of this sort don't provide offspring, otherwise there would be some real chimeras running around your area (Wait just a damn minute! Maybe that explains a lot!).

And as far as Cyril scrawling stuff on walls is concerned, that's a vile slander on your part. Use you head for some besides a device to keep your ears from clattering together, Marty (Hark! Do I hear castanets?). Cyril may be an old and wise soul, but he has to accept the limitations of whatever body he inhabits at a given time. And he's a raccoon, for Chrissake! Raccoons have prehensile forepaws, but they lack the motor skills to handle a pen or pencil.

You had best be cognizant of the karma you're building up, lest you return as a paramecium. And it would be real hell to be something you can't even pronounce.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 07:26 PM

The idea of the "rapture" is not in the bible. It's a concept introduced in the 1800's by a Calvinistic John Darby. It's the basis for the present evangelical fundamentalist movement that has
spread the misinformation that the US is a Christian nation, that Jesus is coming back twice and all that don't profess an adoration for him will go to hell. These "dispensationalist Darbyites" have found their way into American politics and their view is toxic. It threatens the well-known part of the Constitution that says "congress shall make no longs respecting the establishment of religion". This idea of fundamenalism is expressed by "Left Behind" novels of LeHaye and the machinations of Falwell, Robertson and W. Bush.

Read a book called "The Rapture Exposed" by Barbara Rossing for some valuable information.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 07:52 PM

Frank, I've heard Barbara Rossing speak and met her when she was in Seattle some time back. A most interesting woman. I mention her book in a post above, 20 Jul 04 - 04:36 PM. THIS should take you right to it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 01:14 PM

according to the bible no man knows when the world will end so if you believe in god you cxant believe the world will end because of what someone told you


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 01:20 PM

Unless you do... :-)

Look, people make up the rules as they go along. Everybody does that. Then they insist that "it's always been that way", and they kill people who don't agree with them. Or they get killed by those people.

It's all really very silly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 02:54 PM

Interesting that this ridiculous thread is back.

What's even more interesting is that if you do a Google search on Don Firth, this thread is what comes up.

It is there for all of the world to see what he is most famous for!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:13 PM

And if I do a google search on your name, Mr Martin Gibson, wot comes up then? "Stupid prat"? I am going to try it and see. Be roight back...


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:21 PM

Roight. 'Ere we go...

Martin Gibson and 'is wife Anne - in Yorkshire

and better than that...

Why is Martin Gibson allowed here?

That's a question worth askin', in my opinion!

and then...

Another damned Martin Gibson, wot plays football!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:49 PM

Guest, Mrs. Olive Limey, or Whatever.

I revel in it.

Now do a search on yourself and you will come up with a picture of yourself demonstrating a dildo.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 06:07 PM

If I 'ad one and you was in reach, Martin, I'd shove up yer ugly gob! I 'ave an 'usband 'oo is a stupid lowbred opiniated blighter just like you only 'e's not Jewish, but 'oo cares about that? I've got no time for 'is nonsense and less for yours.

I already did do a search on meself on Google and I don't show up nowheres but on this 'ere forum. I intend to change that. I am going to secure a high profile job in the service industry soon and then you lot will see somefink!


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 03:42 AM

The end of the world is nigher than it was on July 8th 04.
---and that IS the truth----


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 12:14 PM

So somebody finds my name on google and comes here. They read my stuff. Then they read Marty's stuff. They compare the two to see what kind of people wrote these posts.

I can live with that!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 12:38 PM

I wouldn't worry either Don...I mean to say..if the end of the world really is nigh then it's all academic eh?? Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 12:40 PM

So can I. When I leave this website, there is no further Martin Gibson, so I don't really care in the slightest.

Somebody does See Don Firth, as a real person in a website doing battle with unknown guests and made up names wasting his time and energy. What a wonderful legacy that is. Worth laughing at, really.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 01:49 PM

And the sickest puppy of the lot is the one with the time and inclination to do the googling. Martin have a day off.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 02:08 PM

Don't come to Basingstoke, Martin, or I will smack your face!

I am now ensconsed wif me sister, Gladys, and we are discussin' wot a stupid, useless git I married when I walked up the isle wif Eddie Whatnoll! I must 'ave been out of me mind. 'E and 'is bloody parrot can rot in Bath till 'ell freezes over. 'E's fat, lazy, and full of 'isself, and so is the parrot. Full of 'isself, I mean...the parrot, that is. The parrot is not fat nor lazy. It's 'yperactive in fact.

Gladys and me are plannin' to launch a new business wot will make Eddie wish 'e'd got off 'is duff and done somefink wif 'is life. 'E'll be green wif envy. The parrot already is green, but it ain't envy. It's just the natchural colour of the ugly blighter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 03:09 PM

No, Guest, you are the sickest because you are schizoid as a regular poster who has no testicles.

Actually I was doing a search on filth and how to clean it off a shirt and Firth popped up.

And Mrs. Olive whatnoll, I wouldn't dream of coming to Basingstoke because I would rather go to some place in America where they speak and write real English.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 06:13 PM

I'm gratified that you plan not to visit Basingstoke, Martin Gibson. We don't want your kind 'ere, that's for sure. We've got enough unpleasent yobs as it is. You wouldn't even be down out of the trees if it was not for England, boyo! We gave you civilizytion, tea, and crumpets, and the English language and you dumped it all in Boston 'Arbour. You make up stupid words like "bodaceous" and "hellacious" wot ain't real words. You're a sorry lot. You don't deserve to be in the Empire, irregardless of what that idiot Tony Blair finks, and I'm not talkin' about the bloomin' parrot neither! If you didn't 'ave a lot of money wot was took out of the pockets of 'ard workin' English people wot stood alone and defended 'umanity from the Jerries TWICE whilst you lot cashed in on the sidelines and exploited your bet'ters for a quick dollar, well, then...

Where was I? Well, wot I'm sayin', to put it simple is...sod off! Basingstoke can live fine wifout the likes of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 06:41 PM

200


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 06:47 PM

Guest...Attacking Martin Gibson will avail you nothing..better you spend your time in fruitful conversation than lower the tone ofHampshire dwellers with such writing. People on Mudcat seem to eventually find a certain level and perhaps you should look at where you would like yours to be. Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Mr. Clean
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:02 PM

"Actually I was doing a search on filth and how to clean it off a shirt........."

Dribbled out of your mouth, did it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:06 PM

Nay he was standing on his head at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 09:03 PM

Martin - You said, "I would rather go to some place in America where they speak and write real English." Where is this place you speak of?

d


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 09:24 PM

Schenectady! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 10:00 PM

not Oshkosh, Walla Walla, Kennebunk, Tallahassee or Weehawken?

heck, we could just show 'em Bobert...he is a master of English


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: JennyO
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 02:18 AM

Orstraylia :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,BOAB
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 03:18 AM

Mrs Olive Whatnoll---you wouldn't be joHn from Hull in disguise, would you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 03:57 AM

Funny you should say that Guest BOAB as my instincts tell me that the person is male but not Sir jOhn.
Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 04:17 AM

Just heard on the radio this morning the Earth did not end l;ast night after all. The big meteor missed us. Thank god for news programmes that give us the facts pure and simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 09:01 AM

You can't depend on anything anymore, can you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 09:37 AM

..always the bridesmaid..


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: GUEST,Jessus
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 11:28 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: The end of the world is nigh.
From: Cool Beans
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 02:17 PM

Boys, boys, boys:
There is a true sign of the impending apocalypse: It is possible that the Boston Red Sox and the Chicago Cubs could face other in the World Series, which means ONE OF THEM MAY WIN!!!
(For non-North Americans, this refers to baseball. The Red Sox last won the World Series in 1918, the Cubs in 1908.)


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