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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:57 PM

Maybe not the best, but personal favorites?
Mary chapin Carpenter
Shawn Mullins

Guess I'm a little bit Country, and a little bit Rock and Roll. ;(


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: jaze
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 06:56 PM

The late great Kate Wolf belongs way up on the list.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 02:02 AM

Top 10 list seems the best way -apologies for the repetition but most of you are discerning music fans.

1) Lennon & McCartney.
2) Bob Dylan.
3) Chuck Berry.
4) Smokey Robinson.
5) Tom Waits.
6) Stevie Wonder.
7) Buddy Holly.
8) Hoagy Carmichael.
9) Robbie Robertson.
10) Cat Stevens.

Just missing out;

Robert Johnson.
Woody Guthrie.
Leadbelly.
Willie Dixon.
James Brown.
John Prine.
Carole King & Gerry Goffin..
Jeff Barry & Ellie Grenwich.
Phil Spector.
David Bowie.
Joe Strummer.
Leiber & Stoller.
Pomus & Shuman.
George Michael.
Holland, Dozier, & Lamont.
Freddy Mercury.
Van Morrison.
Bacharach & David.
Norman Whitfield.
Joe Mercer.
Irving Berlin.
Cole Porter.
Neil Young.
Otis Blackwell.
Jesse Stone.
Bob Marley.
U2.
STING.
etc. etc. etc.

Regards.

Sidewinder.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:46 PM

Conor Oberst, aka Bright Eyes


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: ev
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 01:10 PM

I see here amongst the folkies et all, there was ONE mention of Paul Simon..?
Sheesh.
Too New Yawk, Maybe?
No mention of Ellington?
and what does it say about a writer who's output is more palatable from the mouths of others than his own? Gotta be something to the SONGS, ya think? Given a choice between seeing Bob Dylan perform or seeing ... say, Robyn Hitchcock perform an evening of Dylan songs -- I'd go for Robyn with out a doubt! =)

The best songwriter is subjective, according to your own exposure and sophistication and conceit, so in effect this whole thread is masturbatory. With quite a bit of brown nosing.
shower time, and my soap's on a rope, TY. (flutters lashes)
Now -- give me the REAL skinny by which I can learn to understand who you are and what has influenced you... oh wait. There's another thread for that.
(nasal voice)Nevermind.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 08:52 PM

faves........ harry warren, loudon wainwright, macca and bruce.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: MojoBanjo
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 07:25 PM

The person who, at a particular point in your life, speaks to that life in song.

For me, that has been Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and hundreds of nameless blues and folk musicians who inherited a song, buffed it up a bit, and sent it on its way down the river.


Brian


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: cptsnapper
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 04:42 PM

Judy Collins, Chris Simpson of Magna Carta, James Taylor, The McGarrigles, Steve Goodman, Chuck Berry, Clifford T. Ward


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Cruiser
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 01:34 PM

For folk songwriting: Stephen Collins Foster

His poverty and suffering never allowed him to receive professional acclaim commensurate with the quality of his compositions. The "Ethiopian songs" were some of his best.

For pure Country:    Hank Williams Sr.

For Popular Music:   John D. Loudermilk

Cruiser


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: John C.
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:59 PM

I admit I've just skimmed through this but I've only counted 3 mentions of Ewan MacColl in 158 postings. C'mon! What is wrong with the world?! Far too many modern songs seem to me to be introspective twaddle but Ewan wrote wonderful songs of universal appeal and relevance.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: number 6
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:04 AM

Townes Van Zandt
Tom Waits
Jimmy Webb
Brian Wilson


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 07:57 PM

Joe Ely - Butch Hancock of course - all that stuff
doodle Owens did some nice stuff for Moe Bandy
George Jones had his good days and Dolly Parton of course.
Joni Mitchell , natch.and nobody writes about England as well as Ralph McTell


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: EagleWing
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 01:09 PM

The list seems divide between those who CAN think of a "best songwriter" - but with little agreement as to who it is (other than el ted, of course) and those who know there is no such thing so they give a long list of candidates.

I've actually enjoyed the 10 minutes or so reading this but, unless I missed it, no-one has mentioned Matt McGinn. He may not be the best because no one is but he certainly deserves a mention. Also, what about Johnny Handle, Alistaire Claire and Leon Rosselson?

(And absolutely no-one has mentioned Rolf Harris :-) )

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Countryman2002
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 09:15 AM

Bob Marley is the best songwriter ever!


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: beetle cat
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 11:33 PM

sydney carter.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Robert J. Harper
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 11:25 PM

Jimmy Fortune is the best songwriter by far, His Gospel c/d I believe ,just released will even captivate the nonbeliever,you can see for yourself if you go to www.jimmyfortune.com and listen his awsome songs I believe and cool country sunday.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: s6k
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 07:19 AM

how could i forget Syd


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 07:26 PM

Definitely surprised to see Syd here. If he got himself together, he would've been one of the greats....


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:24 PM

Hoagy Carmichael and Fats Waller


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: ClearMorning
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:11 PM

Gordon Lightfoot has written hundreds of great songs.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Jane
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:23 PM

Has anybody ever heard of Mary Gauthier? Definitely worth checking out!


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Dagmar
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM

Well, he is hard to categorise, but I have to add Shawn Phillips here...

by the way ... he is on a concert tour in Germany this november .. any fans check his web site www.shawnphillips.com

Dagmar


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: brid widder
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 01:33 PM

Jake Thackray.. Paul Simon... and Bill Caddick... but it's horses for courses


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:55 AM

I agree with Blissfully Ignorant apart from one small fact that I am the best song writer. I'm normally quite humble about these things but I hadn't realised there was so much competition!


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:27 AM

I think the "observer" is correct. Do you realize how much real down to earth talent we have around this site. This is the best forum on the Net for music fans. As opposed to the umpteen sites dedicated to the Britney Spears' and "Nu Metal" sites that pollute the internet... but anyway, this has become a favorites list, which goes to show how many diverse (and wonderful) opinions we have here.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:11 AM

Well, there's so many to choose from...So i'm just going with me. I've decided that if i'm going to be a rock star and have drugs and money and groupies, i'd better develop and ego, and quick.....


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,MurkeyChris
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 08:21 PM

For me, no-one beats Richard Thompson.

Chris


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: mg
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 07:56 PM

I don't think it is irrelevant and I don't think it is divisive and I personally have no problem at all having favorite singers, songs etc. I make decisions very easily. And don't change them very much. I enjoy reading other people's favorites, and of all the things in this world of woe to worry about, worrying about what outsiders think of someone's list of favorite songwriters is really close to the bottom of my list. mg


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 06:34 PM

So many people putting on such long lists, seems to prove you can't have a favourite. A song by a particular singer at a particular time is "favourite". Kind of makes a thread like this irrelevant, don't you think???

threads like this could be seen by outsiders to be divisive. We as "folkies" should pull together and celebrate what wonderful talent we have in our midst, not segregate.

Just my opinion of course!!


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 01:49 PM

Lots of good suggestions. They're all here! Hank, Lennon, Macca (but Lennon IS better), Willie, Lightfoot, Neil Young, NIck Drake... but Dylan would probably be my pick. I love his lyrics...


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: pdq
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 01:35 PM

Hank Williams get nominated several times on this thread. Here is a site that seems to support that opinion:

                                           The Cover Site


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: 14fret
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 11:48 AM

No such thing but.... of the living.... Randy Newman takes some beating.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 08:29 AM

Don"t Forget Gordon Lightfoot, Laura Smith,Hank Snow, Wilf Carter,Gene Maclellan, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell. Ian Tyson, Leonard Cohen,Sylvia Tyson, Stan Rogers,K D Lang,Bruce Guthro, all from the great whire North..and oh yea..Paul Anka


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 08:11 AM

gershwin, Irving Berlin,Gershwin, Lennon McCartney, Dylan, Cohen, Hank Williams, Goffin King, Bruce Cockburn..........on and on Gershwin.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:35 AM

I sing for old folks most days and not many of those songs would be known by them - a few Hank Williams maybe, one or two Beatles.

As you say Gershwin and Cole Porter haxve written some quite popular ones. I suspect most people know a few Les Reed and Harlan Howard songs without realising it.

Harry Warren though scores as does Jerome Kern.

Top though, I'd place the lyricist Dorothy Field. I ain't going to tell you. You check her out - don't worry - you know ALL her songs!

Call yourself a feminist and you don't know about Dorothy - that lady with the long list of women writers.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,nemter
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:30 AM

Some great songwriters that I don't think have been mentioned yet:

Richard Shindell
Dave Carter
Greg Trooper
Leon Rosselson
Buddy and Julie Miller
David Francey


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Gene Burton
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 12:56 PM

In all likelihood, the best songwriter is some guy unheard-of outside his home town, whose music none of us will ever get to hear. Sorry if this sounds unduly pessimistic, but it's a fact that (due to the vagaries of chance, luck and capitalism) many of the best songs never even get recorded, let alone commercially released. That said, of all the songwriters who've had the good fortune to be widely heard of; these are in my view deserving of particular attention:-
Bob Dylan
Leadbelly
Bert Jansch
Richard Thompson
Cyril Tawney
Bill Monroe
Morrissey (yeah, seriously!)
Nick Drake
Jackson C. Frank


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST,Dallas Guest
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 02:01 AM

Ellis Paul.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 11:05 PM

Yeah. How are you EVER going to get that 30 seconds back?

Maybe you should consider suing for damages.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:49 PM

Can't believe I've wasted five minutes of my life reading this and another 30 seconds posting.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: pdq
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:42 PM

To my Honorable Mentions let's add:   

Mike Cross

Guy Clark

Robert Earl Keen, Jr.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Eye Lander
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 03:21 PM

not saying he's the best, but really like his stuff


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Eye Lander
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 03:20 PM

Mike Harding has written some wonderful songs


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: Melani
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 03:02 PM

Eric Bogle, Stan Rogers, Bob Franke, followed by Gordon Bok. My personal opinion, not to be regarded as fact unless you happen to agree.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:58 AM

The one with the most Industry Awards!

"He who dies with the most toys wins!"


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Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer?
From: woodsie
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:00 AM

Dave Kenningham - hands down!!!


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Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer?
From: s6k
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 05:33 AM

westlife


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Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer?
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 05:03 AM

Richard Thompson.


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Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer?
From: s6k
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 05:15 AM

tracy chapman, richard thompson, i should have mentioned these, there are quite a few greats, a lot of goods, and a lot of bads too


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Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer?
From: sharyn
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:44 PM

Best? Best? I always get excited when I hear there is a new release by Richard Thompson, Chris Smither, Carol Denney, Lyle Lovett, Joni Mitchell, Tracy Chapman. And I think Dylan is a brilliant songwriter -- not all the time, but no one is brilliant all the time. Leonard Cohen is quite good, and is always releasing new versions of things (he rewrites obsessively). Lucinda Williams, Iris DeMent, Laurie Lewis. Kate Rusby sometimes does brilliant rewrites and sometimes writes total crap, in my opinion. There are a lot of very good songwriters in the world and a lot of very bad ones, too. Oh yeah, and someone should have mentioned Jean Ritchie by now and Debbie McClatchy -- sometimes one song is all it takes.


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