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BS: Hook Bloke Aressted

Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 27 May 04 - 06:06 AM
greg stephens 27 May 04 - 06:09 AM
el ted 27 May 04 - 06:11 AM
Peter K (Fionn) 27 May 04 - 06:42 AM
greg stephens 27 May 04 - 06:54 AM
Dave Bryant 27 May 04 - 07:08 AM
jacqui.c 27 May 04 - 07:51 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 27 May 04 - 08:58 AM
greg stephens 27 May 04 - 08:59 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 27 May 04 - 09:01 AM
woodsie 27 May 04 - 09:20 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 27 May 04 - 11:07 AM
Strollin' Johnny 27 May 04 - 12:00 PM
Shanghaiceltic 27 May 04 - 06:33 PM
Amos 27 May 04 - 06:41 PM
Gareth 27 May 04 - 07:13 PM
Amos 27 May 04 - 08:51 PM
GUEST,Keith A o Hertford working 28 May 04 - 09:58 AM
McGrath of Harlow 28 May 04 - 10:10 AM
GUEST 28 May 04 - 10:16 AM
el ted 28 May 04 - 10:27 AM
GUEST,Jim Knowledge 28 May 04 - 11:22 AM
McGrath of Harlow 28 May 04 - 01:45 PM
Big Al Whittle 28 May 04 - 03:02 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 May 04 - 03:49 PM
GUEST,Dylan 28 May 04 - 05:06 PM
greg stephens 28 May 04 - 06:05 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 May 04 - 06:26 PM
darkriver 28 May 04 - 10:27 PM
GUEST 29 May 04 - 04:50 PM
Strick 29 May 04 - 04:56 PM
Big Al Whittle 29 May 04 - 05:57 PM
DonD 29 May 04 - 08:05 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 29 May 04 - 08:39 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 29 May 04 - 08:40 PM
Peace 29 May 04 - 08:45 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 29 May 04 - 08:47 PM
beardedbruce 29 May 04 - 08:52 PM
Gurney 30 May 04 - 03:24 AM
C-flat 30 May 04 - 04:05 AM
GUEST,the pieman 30 May 04 - 02:23 PM
Nigel Parsons 30 May 04 - 02:56 PM
Peace 30 May 04 - 06:22 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 23 Jul 04 - 06:13 AM
Rapparee 23 Jul 04 - 09:14 AM
Nerd 23 Jul 04 - 12:51 PM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Jul 04 - 01:47 PM
Richard Bridge 23 Jul 04 - 03:37 PM
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Subject: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:06 AM

That hook bloke [the terorrist one, allegidly], has been arrested, goverment are trying to send him to Amnerica.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:09 AM

They'll have a job photographing him w**king.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: el ted
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:11 AM

About time too. He was on bloody social security at our expense as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:42 AM

What's the problem with him working, Greg? Is he unemployed?

Pete K (who lives near Newark)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:54 AM

As your reference to where you live of an anagrammatical nature?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:08 AM

I gather that his mosque gave him the sack some time back, and the labour exchange doesn't have a lot of openings for bolshie moslem clerics at the moment - perhaps he should try the C-of-E. The government's been trying to revoke his british citizenship for a while now. Somehow, I don't think there'd be too much of an outcry if he was extradited to the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:51 AM

About time too.

Maybe the Americans won't be quite so accommodating as the shower over here. I have never understood how this man could continue to take the rise out of the country in the way that he has. Our politicians don't seem to have any backbone when it comes to dealing with people like this.

I bet there'll be few solicitors rubbing their hands at the prospect of a big legal aid payout for opposing the extradition - and they'll probably get it as well!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:58 AM

They should send the Royal Family to America with him, they are rubbish as well.
Who else should they send?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:59 AM

The population of Hull?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:01 AM

there is loads of us, they would need a big plain to send all of us!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: woodsie
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:20 AM

Why do they hound that poor unfortunate man?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 27 May 04 - 11:07 AM

anyway=he looks like a pirate, he got an eye patch and a hook, and he looks scary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:00 PM

Naughty Woodsie! Go play with your matches somewhere else, you little tyke! (LOL)
J :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:33 PM

He does not look like a pirate, no parrot and no wooden leg!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:41 PM

Well, what is the actual story on this guy?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Gareth
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:13 PM

AMOS I give link to the BBC site on this Click 'Ere

I find it difficult to give an objective summary - as the "hook" seems to be a hate object by the 'popular press'

Shall we leave it that the person concerned is a beneficiary of civil rights in the UK, claiming Btitish Citizenship etc. whilst not acepting ( if seroius reporting is accurate ) the obligations that go with citizenship.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:51 PM

THANKS, GARETH. I SEE WHY.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford working
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:58 AM

The smart money is on him getting off again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:10 AM

A few years back the Yemen government wanted him deported there, but this was turned down, because their system of law and human rights is a bit suspect. If they deport him to the USA after that it'd be a bit bizarre, given stuff like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.

The right place for any trial would be here. Not that the British legal system isn't pretty ropey at times, but there are limits. And anyway it's where he lives and if he's guilty of breaking the law, this is where he'd have done it.

The stuff about getting state benefits and that are totally irelevant to my mind. Things like that aren't supposed to be deteremined on the basis of people's political or religious views, however bizarre.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:16 AM

Well he won't be deported unless the government is assured he wont face the death sentence or that if he got the death sentence, it wouldn't be applied.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: el ted
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:27 AM

McGrath,
       If you cannot see through this man ( who by the way is Egyptian by birth) what hope is there? This man is wanted by several governments for terrorist offences. I have heard him on the television myself spouting what can only be described as treason.
       What else do these people have to do before we get tougher?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:22 AM

I `ad that Abu`Amza in my cab the other day. I said ,where to guv? `e said Finsbury Park, infidel. I said, you gonna `ave a good old pray in the mosque then? `e said, nah, I just remembered. I left me shoes outside and the forecast says its gonna rain!!
What am I like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 04 - 01:45 PM

I didn't say he shouldn't be put on trial if the evidence justifies it, which it appears to. But there is no reason to think that an American court is going to be in a better position to carry out such a trial. Any evidence which can be produced in an American court can equally well be produced in a British court.

I rather assume that there are aspects of this which we don't know about, which may explain why there has been no such trial so far. For example, it could well be that there are felt to be advantages from an intelligence gathering point of view having him around. Perhaps he is even a double agent...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 May 04 - 03:02 PM

okay so that's the bloke with the hook, the royal family, the English cricket team selectors, and anybody connected with the Eurovision song competition
there might be something in this alliance business


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Arrested
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 04 - 03:49 PM

Actually the's got two hooks, amd one eye. Though it strikes me as pretty weird that this should be the focus of the hate rhetoric. Lack of hands and eye are not reasons for hating anybody. What matters is what he may have said or done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST,Dylan
Date: 28 May 04 - 05:06 PM

This is wierd but I have been reading news papers and web sites and everyone is going on about hook bloke.
This site is for all types of people and I think that you are all quite nasty going on about some one who has a disability. If some one else was getting the discrimination about them then you would all be saying "oh thats a poor wee man with no arm" but because he has become a hate figure in the UK then its alright to be offensive to all the people who are disabled.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves

Dylan


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 May 04 - 06:05 PM

I hate to get technical, McGrath, but you are quite wrong to say thaqt any evidence used in the USA could be used here. the rules of admissability of evidence are quite different in the two countries (you want to try watching some of their more entertaining trials(??) like OJ Simpson etc on TV. The facts are, I believe, that quite a few bits of stufff (telphone taps,principally) can be used against him in American courts that cant be used here.
    It's all a bit silly really, the man's a joke rather than a master criminal. For a start, he was aparently born Mustafa Kamel. I ask you. And what about those hooks? Most people use artificial hands nowadays. I think he should be kept here as a tourist attraction, like punks with mohicans, or ken Livingstone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 04 - 06:26 PM

If the suggestion is that he could only be convicted on evidence which would not be admissible under our legal system, and would be acquitted here, that is a strong enough reason not to deport him.

After all the court system here, even with those kind of limitations on what evidence is admissible, has still managed to convict enough innocent people in the past.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: darkriver
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:27 PM

Okay, I give up.

I really, really, really tried to resist, but I am weak:

A pirate walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. What happened? You look terrible!"

"What do you mean?" says the pirate. "I feel fine."

"What about the wooden leg? You didn't have that before."

"Oh. Well, we were in a battle, and I got hit with a cannon ball, but I'm fine, now."

"Well, ok, but what about that hook? What happened to your hand?"

"We were in another battle. I boarded a ship and got into a sword fight. My hand was cut off. I got fitted with a hook. I'm fine, really."

"What about that eye patch?"

"Oh, one day, we were at sea, and a flock of birds flew over. I looked up, and one of them pooped in my eye."

"You're kidding," says the bartender. "You couldn't lose an eye just from some bird poop."

"It was my first day with the hook."


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:50 PM

I don't often agree with McGrath but do on this one. Unless he is accused of a committing a crime while within the United States then he should be tried in an English court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Strick
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:56 PM

Agreed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 May 04 - 05:57 PM

jurisprudence wise - okay valid point
but lets think about this
if they're dumb enough to take him......


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: DonD
Date: 29 May 04 - 08:05 PM

Evidence? We don't need no steenkin' evidence!

Trial? We don't need no steenkin' trial!

Haven't you been reading about the American judicial system nowadays? We declare him an illegal combatant or some such thing, put him in a secret cell, deny him access to a lawyer or contact with anyone except unidentified, unaccountable CIA or contract interrogators, keep it up for a few years, and after a while with a bag over his head, he won't remember who he is and neither will we.

Two hooks? Forget the bird poop; how does he wipe his ass? I wouldn't do him the favor of executing him to put him out of his misery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 May 04 - 08:39 PM

They should shoot him, he looks dangerous [and scary!] , if they bring him here, i will smack him on the head with my pan waht i used to sqwash that bee with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 May 04 - 08:40 PM

how do you spell sqwashed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 04 - 08:45 PM

Only won u. Ewe used too. That's a dubble u.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 May 04 - 08:47 PM

sqwaushed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 08:52 PM

"They should shoot him, he looks dangerous [and scary!] , if they bring him here, i will smack him on the head with my pan waht i used to sqwash that bee with. "

Maybe they should shoot him, but do it for his actions, not his appearence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Gurney
Date: 30 May 04 - 03:24 AM

jOhn, what have the Amnericans done to you that you would lumber them with Liz and Phil and their lot?
And I believe that they do have big plains. Great ones, in fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: C-flat
Date: 30 May 04 - 04:05 AM

Much of the evidence gathered against Abu Hamza (intercepted satellite phone calls,etc.) would be inadmissable in a British court. The FBI also have James Ujaama as a key witness who, in light of his plea-bargained freedom, would face severe cross-examination from British lawyers.
I feel sure that the authorities have masses of circumstantial evidence on this guy but we would be wasting time and money attempting to bring him to book in the U.K.
The man has many links to organised terror groups, acting as spokesman for the Islamic Army for Aden after the Yemen attacks, and close connections to at least five of the suicide pilots of September 11, they being worshippers at various times at his Finsbury mosque.
I'm sure that he is not an innocent but I'm not sure what we can convict him of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST,the pieman
Date: 30 May 04 - 02:23 PM

If he isnt deported will he be off the hook


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 May 04 - 02:56 PM

Whether he avoids being extradited (he gets off!), or
He is extradited by America,

I am sure some of our tabloid 'newspapers' wil use the headline
"Hook Off"


Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 04 - 06:22 PM

I hope he is given the same justice his victims received. He deserves that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 06:13 AM

He's in court now, goverment are trying to send him to America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:14 AM

From the BBC link:

"However under current national and European laws, Britain must ask the US to pledge they will not apply the death penalty before any possible extradition is approved."

I think I can guarentee that even Johnny Ashcroft won't "apply the death penalty" before the guy is in US custody!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 12:51 PM

Now Rapaire, you know that's not what it meant!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 01:47 PM

Adjourned until October.
He is claiming that his trial in USA would not be fair, and anyway he can not be sent if he would face the death penalty.
Five years ago some Afghans hijacked a plane at gunpoint and wisely chose UK as a destination.Convicted of hijacking, they appealed on the grounds that the judge made a legal error in his summing up, and were freed. The courts have just decided that it would breach their human rights to even send them home even though the Taliban from whom they claimed to be fleeing are no longer in power.
So don't expect to see Hooke Bloke in US any time soon.
Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 03:37 PM

Well, you can see the point that he would be unlikely to get a fair trial in the USA. I was particularly taken by the arument (although to be fair I took an immediate dislike to his solicitor) that, apparently, any person subject to US law who appears as a defence witness for Hook, or assists in his defence, unless they apply in advance for clearance (from some US government body) to do so, is liable to be charged with assisting a terrorist. If that fairly summarises US law on the point it deeply shocks me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 05:49 PM

photo

Ashcroft no doubt wants him here so Bush can count coups over a captured terrorist just in time for the elections. It isn't rocket science to figure that one out.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: GUEST,LadyJean
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 12:11 AM

I thought it was the infamous "Man With The Hook on His Hand" who attacks courting couples in urban legends. Do you have that one in England?
It would serve the Hook Bloke right if he was locked up with a bevy of Southern Baptists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hook Bloke Aressted
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 10:44 AM

This isn't...isn't...Captain Hook, is it? My friend Pete's been looking for him. Something about some girl named Wendy or something.


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