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GUEST 08 Apr 04 - 10:19 AM
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Subject: Mike Harding #2
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 10:19 AM

So... did anyone listen tho Mike Hardings programme last nite and did they enjoy it?


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 10:23 AM

Oh Mickey Where Art Thou sounded good.
eric


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: Stu
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 10:49 AM

Tosh, I thought.

I stopped listening to it on the internet because it was not to my taste. What was with the Disney Bluegrass stuff and the American singer-songwriter stuff? Didn't they have an hour of country right before that?

But, that said, it's all about what you like, so if it isn't quite to my taste, tough titty. It's a broad church and Mr. H has a difficult job he gets unfairly slagged off for.

And he did play the Watersons.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 03:51 AM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 03:55 AM

Gr-r-r-r-r-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-n-n-n-n-n-nnnnnnn.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: pavane
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:54 AM

Agreed. What did a modern song, played blue grass style, have to do with Folk, Roots or Acoustic? Or British Folk, for that matter?


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:11 AM

The MH programme has a remit to cover music from the entire English-speaking world which includes, unfortunately, modern bluegrass-style crap.

They *are* promoting the re-released Transports, which is something. Playlist here.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: Dreadnought
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 06:28 AM

Now this discussion has calmed down a bit I'll stick in my two-pennath.

Bottom line I reckon is that for all its faults (and God knows it has them - bluegrass versions of "Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious" I can just about live with but did we really need "El Paso" for Christ's sake) the fact of the matter is Mike does play some good stuff too. Countess Richard mentioned the June Tabor album and there were also tracks from Martin Simspson, Blue Murder and an unusual track from Pentangle amongst others which is none too shoddy imho. In fact if you consider just how bland and boring the majority of the rest of Radio 2s output is I would guess that those tunes were amongst the most challenging to be broadcast on the station that week.

I'm glad that the Harding show enables that music to have a presence on the biggest music station in the country no matter how unsatisfying and frustrating it may be for the real folk aficionados and I'm always mindful that I first heard Coope, Boyes and Simpson on the show and I'm sure I'm not the only one so lots of things to be grateful for as well.

How's this for an idea? Rather than getting steamed up about MH wouldn't we be better off lobbying the BBC to get a more rounded and challenging specialist show broadcast on Radio 3. I'm thinking of something along the lines of Resonance Radios wonderful "Traditional Music Hour" but with the BBC's library and ability to get artists in the studio for sessions. Obviously if I were the controller of BBC radio I'd put it on all networks at 8:00am every morning but taking into account the current perceived status of more challenging folk music in the mainstream media (check out the reviews of the recent reissue of the early Richard and linda Thompson albums in the national press and see how many snide and unprovoked comments about the "finger in the ear brigade" and whatever you see) I suggest there is a lot to be said for the establishment of a quality presence on a national media even if that's on a minority station. We would after all be sharing the space of other such notable minority interest artists like Mozart.

Know what I mean, init?


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: pavane
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 06:58 AM

Bit late for poor Peter Bellamy.

Dreadnought, I think we covered this in the previous thread - see Harvey Andrews's postings for a start


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 07:25 AM

Pavane - it's a 25th anniversary special reissue of The Transports containing not only the original recording but reworkings by Peter's friends and admirers.

Sure, we've covered thoughts along the lines of Dreadnought's before (I've mentioned the wonderful example of Resonance Radio more than once myself) but the fact remains that the sole hour devoted, allegedly, to 'folk, roots and acoustic music' on a national, public service network is woefully inadequate and barely touches upon the English traditional heritage.

What's said here on Mudcat is unlikely to amount even to the proverbial hill of beans to the BBC. El Greko has taken the discussion to the BBC Folk & Acoustic message board. Why not go and harangue them there? Then I won't be the only persona non grata.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: s6k
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 07:37 AM

this wednesday (14th) Christy Moore will be on the show.

also if you missed out on last wednesdays show, you can go to Radio 2's Mike Harding Section and then click 'Listen Again' to hear the entire show.

You need RealPlayer 10, which you can get for free, just choose the free option and not the paying option.

Radio 2's website is great you can listen to any show from the last week.

there is also a section you can listen to about 20 other popular stations live online.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: Dreadnought
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 08:15 AM

Thanks Pavane, I did do a search on Harvey Andrews and he has made several contributions on the positioning and promotion of folk music but I couldn't see anything specific to my point - have I missed something intersting?

I know there's lots of discussion about the place of folk music and how best to promote it but I'd like to stick to the specific point of national radio. To develop the Countess' point what I'm interested in is the idea of getting a strong point of presence on national radio for serious folk and traditional music even at the cost of accepting a less high profile minority categorisation. Obviously by "us" I don't just mean Mudcat but the folk music community in general and if the idea is worth considering it'll be no good lobbying for it via internet message boards but to be honest I'm not thinking of starting a campaign, just canvassing opinion.

Oh and s6k if you like Mike Harding on the web make sure you check out BBC Radio Derby's Folkwaves program which you can get live on Monday evenings from http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/music/folkwaves/programme.shtml - it's really good.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: harvey andrews
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 08:38 AM

Dreadnought, I think the point is that you don't ask the BBC, the BBC ask you, you submit with many others and they choose. A production company has to be involved. Now a company needs work and profits so they will obviously want to pitch an idea for the biggest audience, as the BBC has to consider audience figures as its "profits", particularly as the licence fee will soon be under serious threat. So, we are a very small musical community the BBC considers served by Mike's show, which has all the faults, and all the pluses of a show predicated on the above conditions.


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Subject: RE: Mike Harding #2
From: pavane
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 10:04 AM

I am glad to see recognition of Peter's work, just sad that he isn't here to see it himself. There are some oustanding songs in the work. I did meet him, and knew his brother-in-law Chris Birch, whom I met when I was working in Luxembourg, where he lives. (Chris actually played fiddle for the first and only performance by the Luxembourg Morris, which I started when living there.)


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